#soylent | Logs for 2022-07-09

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[23:48:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03International Space Station Has New Way to Dispose of Trash" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:48:37] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.digitaltrends.com Didn't Heinlein predict this?
[22:37:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Algorithm Predicts Crime a Week in Advance, but Reveals Bias in Police Response - https://sylnt.us - patterns-of-life
[22:09:24] <Runaway1956> Too true, fliptop
[22:09:09] <Runaway1956> Celery is good, but we never seem to have any - I use celery seed though
[22:07:27] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: top tip for spaghetti - add celery. unless you hate celery.
[22:03:22] <fliptop> The whole thing seems like a terrible waste of everyone's time. Including the offender
[22:01:24] <fliptop> Runaway1956: just reading your comments on the BigD
[21:55:54] <Runaway1956> Now I just need to simmer long enough for it to thicken up some.
[21:55:26] <Runaway1956> That increased the volume of the sauce by 50% or more, all of it good HEALTHY food!
[21:54:58] <Runaway1956> I only chopped up one large onion, one quite large bell pepper, half a dozen medium large tomatoes, and 4 cloves of garlic
[21:54:12] <Runaway1956> She comes back and asks, "What did you do to the spaghetti sauce?"
[21:53:55] <Runaway1956> So, Dear Wife says, "Why don't you make spaghetti?" and puts two cans of store-bought spaghetti sauce on counter, along with ground beef and package of spaghetti.
[21:52:01] <Runaway1956> Two versions - probably not same version you have
[21:51:38] <Runaway1956> It appears that one version of that story has been subbed FatPhil
[21:50:52] <systemd> ^ 03Elon Musk backs out of Twitter deal after realizing he can read The Babylon Bee by going directly to their website -- Sott.net
[21:50:51] <Runaway1956> https://www.sott.net
[21:44:46] <systemd> ^ 03Elon Musk abandons deal to buy Twitter; company says it will sue
[21:44:46] <FatPhil> has someone subbed this story/update yet: https://indianexpress.com
[21:34:35] <FatPhil> musk's no RWNJ, he's more a libertardian.
[21:01:12] <requerdanos> If musk went far-right nutjob, his switch to "gab" would be probably the least newsworthy part of the change.
[21:00:37] <Runaway1956> For real? Wouldn't surprise me.
[21:00:15] <FatPhil> his username there is gabistarchus
[20:59:54] <Runaway1956> Thank all the aristarchuses who tried to sabotage Gab I guess
[20:59:41] <ted-ious> That's the only reason twitter is worth anything now.
[20:58:58] <ted-ious> Except gab is totally hostile to anonymous readers.
[20:57:57] <Runaway1956> Now, if Musk went to Gab, I think a lot of good things could happen
[20:57:08] <Runaway1956> Not a tweeter, so I never had a dog in that fight.
[20:56:54] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm - I don't know if it is good or bad that the deal fell through . . .
[20:54:36] <ted-ious> I can't find anything he has posted in the past day or so but the account is still there.
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[20:39:51] <ted-ious> This is wrong.
[20:39:44] <systemd> ^ 03Elon Musk’s Twitter account suspended after he terminates $44bn deal to buy company ( https://www.independent.ie )
[20:39:41] <ted-ious> https://m.independent.ie
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[19:48:46] <applesmasher> The DB is a sideshow compared to the user experience. Use Oracle if you think that it's the smartest way forward.
[19:35:14] <FatPhil> win 12
[19:30:14] <janrinok> But I have got to go, another 14 hour day in happyland! Laters guys.
[19:29:47] <janrinok> I'm not sure why you suggest changing the DB - it is mysql and the data in it seems well organised and efficient. I cannot see any benefit from throwing it away or even re-importing it.
[19:29:31] <applesmasher> idling a few. Back in a bit.
[19:26:38] <applesmasher> The idea is to adapt to, and address human nature rather than attempting to ignore it.
[19:26:16] <applesmasher> Cliques are inherent, but the problem isn't the existence of cliques so much as cliques wrecking the experience of non-members, including but not limited to battling cliques.
[19:25:33] <janrinok> lost a couple of hours work!
[19:25:03] <janrinok> Another problem is simply a UI issue - the delete button for those that have it is exactly where someone who couldn't see it would press 'Save'. I suspect that muscle memory might have played a part in the past and deletions have occurred by mistake. I think that might have happened to me this morning!
[19:21:05] <janrinok> There is a 'delete' option, but it is not always reliable. The debugging of that particular function seems to have been minimal, because the feeling was that any deletions would/could appear as censorship. However, I have used it on dev and it seems to work far more often than not. I just don't know how - nor have I the time - to identify why it is unreliable for a very small number of uses.
[19:17:36] <FatPhil> cliques are natural, your attempt to separate people into bubbles makes things even *more* cliquey
[19:17:00] <ted-ious> I don't know how the site works I can only go by what other people are saying.
[19:16:49] <FatPhil> you can delete your journals
[19:16:27] <ted-ious> Is that different somehow?
[19:15:59] <applesmasher> It was in his journal.
[19:15:49] <ted-ious> I thought there was some problem and you can't delete anything from the site?
[19:15:22] <applesmasher> Cliques can thrive where their collective behaviour sways the result for the whole. Remove that, and they turn into impotent mutual admiration societies.
[19:14:38] <applesmasher> Fine, ignore hemocyanin. If you consider the development of cliques not to be a problem, then all I can do is suggest that you get used to the status quo, because you're fostering it. Enjoy.
[19:13:41] <FatPhil> pics or it didn't happen
[19:13:19] <applesmasher> His analysis of moderation - since deleted, as he apparently gave up in disgust.
[19:12:46] <FatPhil> which demonstration?
[19:12:31] <applesmasher> Hemocyanin's demonstration undermines that position.
[19:11:51] <FatPhil> However, your view of what the problem is is different from mine, so I'm not even going to suggest fixing that, that's not the bit that's broken.
[19:10:48] <FatPhil> we have a perl coder, rumours of the absence of perl coding skills is greatly exagerated.
[19:03:30] <applesmasher> Freezing it would work. If the DB can be logically extracted it can even be re-imported into a fresh architecture.
[19:03:00] <ted-ious> Or do you suggest freezing the old site so people can still read it?
[19:02:41] <ted-ious> But if you rewrite the website doesn't that mean you'll have to start over with everything else?
[19:00:44] <applesmasher> Right. Which is the crux of the proposal.
[19:00:14] <ted-ious> I think that's the main problem.
[18:58:29] <applesmasher> (Please note: if your answer involves a simple matter of perl mangling, observe that you first need a perl coder.)
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[18:52:53] <applesmasher> Hint: translating one person's moderation opinion into something that affects everyone else's view is inherently contrary to that purpose.
[18:51:29] <applesmasher> OK, if you think so, then explain how you accommodate multiple conflicting points of view while allowing for anonymous communication.
[18:50:45] <FatPhil> It's not so far from fit for purpose that throwing it away makes sense.
[18:48:03] <applesmasher> That's the kick-off. Short version: current architecture is not fit for purpose. Rebuild or put up with it.
[18:47:35] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | The BIG Discussion [* AC Friendly *]
[18:47:34] <applesmasher> https://soylentnews.org
[18:47:08] <ted-ious> I mean it's illegal to ddos a website but I don't know if you could charge somebody with just spamming stupid stuff in comments.
[18:47:00] <janrinok> Feel free to kick it off
[18:46:12] <janrinok> Its only the first day, not even 12 hours yet. There is plenty of time for someone to start a discussion.
[18:46:12] <ted-ious> It's not illegal to be an annoying spammer is it?
[18:46:05] <applesmasher> I know. This is actually my field, which is why I have concrete suggestions to make, and to which I could contribute, but first I want to gauge the general of shits given. If it closely approximates nil, I'll go do something more constructive.
[18:45:48] <ted-ious> I don't know applesmasher.
[18:45:13] <FatPhil> APK's as annoying a waste of time as Ari. But the problems aren't limited to those two.
[18:41:45] <applesmasher> Yeah, I know about him. Not worth the electrons his complaints are written in. I'm talking about substantive planning to solve identifiable problems.
[18:41:16] <ted-ious> And I don't have any interest in that argument.
[18:40:52] <ted-ious> Some people come by and argue but from what I can tell it's really one guy called aristarchus with lots of aliases.
[18:39:23] <applesmasher> I've read them.
[18:39:16] <applesmasher> So, no realtime discussion on IRC?
[18:39:16] <ted-ious> Lots of comments to read.
[18:39:00] <systemd> ^ 03The BIG Discussion [* AC Friendly *] - SoylentNews
[18:38:56] <ted-ious> https://soylentnews.org comments.
[18:30:55] <applesmasher> Where, if anywhere, is discussion of janrinok's the BIG discussion post happening?
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[18:13:47] <ted-ious> I once witnessed a long-winded, month-long flamewar over the use of mice vs. trackballs... It was very silly. -- Matt Welsh
[18:13:36] <ted-ious> Sometimes the site has a perfect sense of humor with its random quotes at the bottom.
[17:46:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alder Lake-Powered Linux Laptop Arrives With 14 Hours of Battery Life - https://sylnt.us - intel-management-engine-included-for-free
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[16:07:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Yu-Gi-Oh!' Manga Creator Kazuki Takahashi Found Dead at Sea - https://sylnt.us
[16:01:44] <FatPhil> I'll keep hunting. git grep -w -i update.*users_info yielded nothing, which is pretty bizarre...
[15:58:34] <FatPhil> That confirms that by the time it's got to the templating engine, user.points <= 0, and that ought to be populated from a query somewhere.
[15:33:33] <c0lo> FatPhil, no. Only 'Karma: 50'
[15:22:43] <FatPhil> c0lo: are you seeing the ``You have [% user.points %]...'' text?
[15:14:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Just Build Your Own Using Plastic Drainage Pipe While We Wait for Airless Tires" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:14:11] <c0lo> =submit do-your-tyres-tire https://www.gizmodo.com.au
[15:13:11] <c0lo> Ok, thanks, I'll have another look tomoz, janrinok
[15:11:31] <janrinok> FatPhil, yes but not immediately.
[15:11:22] <janrinok> It might still be the correct solution - you will not get any more mod points until 00:10 utc - so perhaps look again tomorrow.
[15:10:49] <FatPhil> can someone do a select on the db to see what it thinks your modpoints are?
[15:10:11] <janrinok> OK, perhaps I have been looking for the wrong thing.
[15:08:57] <c0lo> janrinok, I have 50 karma but no mod points. Other sraws, the fault may be related to the daily allocation of mod points skipping my account. Or maybe somehow my modpoints are hugely negative or invalid in the DB, so that the allocation of mods result in an error
[15:01:04] <janrinok> hit one of mine if you want
[14:58:24] <janrinok> ... there appears to have been a nbsp in one of the fields on your page where it shouldn't be. I'm clutching at straws, but it might have been the problem.
[14:56:55] <janrinok> c0lo - you might want to try moderating again....
[14:53:08] <systemd> ^ 03Bloomberg - Are you a robot? ( https://www.bloomberg.com )
[14:53:07] <c0lo> original is on bloomborg https://www.bloomberg.com
[14:52:34] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Work From Home is Now a Legal Right in Netherlands - World News" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:52:31] <c0lo> =submit https://www.wionews.com
[14:00:19] <systemd> ^ 03Decentral Bank fixes bug that let one user mint 10 trillion USN for just $10
[14:00:16] <FatPhil> https://www.theblock.co
[13:20:15] <FatPhil> Bye Ari, see you tomorrow.
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[12:52:38] <Nemesis> ?quit
[12:52:27] <Nemesis> Good Day!
[12:51:58] <Nemesis> Big story is a flop.,
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[12:08:51] <c0lo> Takes that little to flatter you, eh?
[12:00:54] <Runaway1956> s/wit/tit/
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[12:00:33] <FatPhil> I'm flattered you find my wit so memorable.
[11:55:04] <c0lo> Hmmm... I don't think you're anything deity, but I seem to remember a certain signature.
[11:53:08] * Runaway1956 is quite sure that FatPhil is something
[11:50:57] <janrinok> lol
[11:49:20] <FatPhil> Do you think I'm some kind of deity or something?
[11:49:04] <FatPhil> Human biology doesn't change dependent on my behaviour.
[11:48:22] <SedBot> <c0lo> Happily throwing in amateur considerations about child production then, FatPhil.
[11:48:22] <c0lo> s/thriw/throw/
[11:48:04] <c0lo> Happily thriwing in amateur considerations about child production then, FatPhil.
[11:46:58] <Runaway1956> You betcha! Not our fault you don't rent the kids out for profit.
[11:46:49] <FatPhil> No kids ever, happily childfree
[11:46:32] <c0lo> As capital gains, Runaway?
[11:46:00] <Runaway1956> Maybe not yet, but we plan to start taxing children in the near future.
[11:45:30] <c0lo> Child production isn't the most taxing element of the equation.
[11:45:05] <c0lo> FatPhil has a GF but no kids yet.
[11:35:27] <FatPhil> The article seems to overlook the fact that child production is intrinsically asymmetric. One should not expect a symmetrical outcome given an asymmetrical input.
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[11:25:41] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Porsche-backed E-fuels Maker to Build $1b Australian Plant" (40p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:25:38] <c0lo> =submit interesting https://www.afr.com
[11:23:39] <Nemesis> Well subbed, c0lo!
[11:17:41] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03If a Woman Had Nine Children by Three Fathers She Wouldn’t be a CEO Like Elon Musk" (32p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:17:39] <c0lo> =submit https://www.smh.com.au
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[11:16:56] <systemd> ^ 03Just a moment...
[11:16:55] <c0lo> https://journals.sagepub.com
[11:15:57] <systemd> Journal Reference: Just a moment..., <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/1088868319891310">10.1177/1088868319891310</a>)
[11:15:55] <c0lo> =doi 10.1177/1088868319891310
[11:14:11] <c0lo> TIL the 'slut-stud' paradox is a thing.
[11:01:12] <systemd> ^ 03Finland passes law to bolster border fence with Russia
[11:01:11] <c0lo> Why-oh-why? https://www.theguardian.com
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[10:58:51] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[10:52:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Blackpool's Genius Madame Tussauds Stunt Puts Boris Waxwork Outside Job Centre" (23p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:52:10] <c0lo> =submit for-the-weekend https://ilovemanchester.com
[10:14:12] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Musk’s Withdrawal From Twitter Deal Sets Stage for Long Court Battle" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:14:10] <c0lo> =submit popcorn-ready-guys? https://www.theguardian.com
[10:14:07] <Nemesis> Good ,morning, jan!
[10:13:42] <c0lo> A Melb winter evening here (i.e. not quite 12h TZ diff)
[10:09:43] <c0lo> Good morning, jan.
[10:05:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The BIG Discussion [* AC Friendly *] - https://sylnt.us
[09:57:38] <janrinok> at the time it says in the pending stories. I can't help it if you log on early.
[09:49:20] <Nemesis> When is the Big discussion? janrinoK is coming out as trans? Runsaway is a pacifist? Or chromas is a real person? So many things to be amazed at.
[09:45:27] <Nemesis> I am whp I am, I am Popeye the saiilor man.
[09:19:35] <janrinok> I have also run out of excuses not to mow the lawns. That will take a couple of hours today.
[09:18:56] <janrinok> c0lo, you are coming to the end of your day aren't you? So good evening to you, from a very pleasant morning here!
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[09:14:56] <c0lo> Social conscience? Or anti
[09:08:17] <FatPhil> How does self-awareness work when you have so many personalities?
[09:05:32] <janrinok> well, ask yourself who has just logged in, and then take it from there.
[09:02:54] <Nemesis> and, again, just who do you think you deziens of the internets think you are referring to? Not me, mon ami!!
[08:54:55] <janrinok> I just hope he reads it ALL before being silly.
[08:54:15] <janrinok> I think if one excels at something it is only right to show off a little - and he does excel at being stupid, you have to admit.
[08:48:28] <FatPhil> just when you thought he couldn't get more stupid, he gets more stupid...
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[08:34:05] <Nemesis> Just logging in for the Big. Cannot imagine what it might be, but it's gotta be Big!!!
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[02:45:06] <systemd> ^ 03Buddy Brown tells a “ BIDEN JOKE” and we can't stop laughing! 😆
[02:45:04] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
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