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[03:47:34] <drussell> FatPhil, I would write "a story about a seven storey building" but I'm pretty sure in the US they don't do the correct english nuance and just always spell storey as story even when you're talking about the height of a building...
[03:48:07] <drussell> Just like they spell colour wrong, etc...
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[03:53:32] <drussell> A quick google seems to agree, like as in this .png https://www.grammar-monster.com
[03:54:22] <drussell> I'm amazed the US still uses all 26 letters :)
[03:55:09] <chromas> It's not like we need them all. Q and U don't do anything other lettrez don't do just as well
[04:37:16] <chromas> firefox--
[04:37:16] <Bender> karma - firefox: -31
[04:37:55] <chromas> it's just randomly deciding the cert for the firewall doesn't match the hostname, because it's using a cert from another server. but only sometimes
[04:42:05] <halibut> FatPhil: For what it's worth, I have an old MW pocket dictionary. It gives two definitions of ``story'': 1) 4 variants of something you tell, and 2) a complete horizontal section of a building. For ``storey'', it says: Chiefly Brit., STORY
[04:44:00] <halibut> With regards to spelling, I defer to Mark Twain (or maybe not Mark Twain, as mentioned at the top of the page): http://guidetogrammar.org
[04:44:01] <systemd> ^ 03A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling
[05:18:54] <FatPhil> halibut: what age is that dictionary?
[05:20:14] <FatPhil> I keep getting the feeling that the g/f learnt a different version of us-ian than most westpondians.
[05:20:37] <FatPhil> Is "catalogue" also "chiefly british" too?
[05:20:48] <FatPhil> differnet *from*, goddammit
[05:43:12] <inz> I have a better solution for the not Mark Twain thingie: everyone should just use finnish
[05:48:33] <AzumaHazuki> perrrkele
[05:52:06] <chromas> FatPhil: "different from" and "different than" are both fine here. But we're throwing your favorite beverages into the pond if you try to make us say "different to"
[05:52:56] <inz> Was that what Boston tea party was about?
[06:03:49] <FatPhil> chromas: nope, no 'than' there, it's not comparative, you'd need a 'more' or a 'less' to have 'than' work, traditionally.
[06:04:31] <chromas> it's different than, so it's either less than, greater than, or anything but equal two :D
[06:04:42] <FatPhil> but its use is becoming more and more common, it'll be standard within a generation or two
[06:04:52] <chromas> next you're going to tell me I'm right for hating people who say "Same difference"
[06:05:13] <FatPhil> why would you hate that, it's perfectly fine
[06:05:17] <chromas> there're only two things, so there's only one difference
[06:06:28] <FatPhil> oxymoron
[06:08:40] <chromas> no, harvymoron actually
[06:14:15] <FatPhil> it doesn't even have to be an oxymoron if you view it as meaning "the two have the same distinguishing characteristics"
[06:14:36] <FatPhil> but the phrase is just a quicker way of saying "that's a distinction without a difference", so I approve.
[06:15:38] <chromas> >:(
[06:20:21] <FatPhil> a language without idioms would be a poorer one
[06:20:33] <inz> pooper one
[06:26:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Remote Working Vs Back to the Office: Benefits are Clear, but There is Trouble Ahead for Some - https://sylnt.us - we-want-more-work-for-less-pay
[06:37:24] <FatPhil> yikes, fail2ban's hammering one of my Pis, or should I say a freaking botnet is hammering its SSH port today.
[06:40:28] <halibut> FatPhil: Late 1990s. ``Catalogue'' is just an alternative spelling, no mention of chiefly anything.
[06:40:40] <FatPhil> interesting
[06:41:32] <FatPhil> because that's a classic noah webster simplification that I thought had kicked in ages back
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[07:06:46] <Happyoristarchus> If HongKong Brits can get used to Simplified, no reason actual Brits cannot get used to real English, as Americans speachify it.
[07:08:19] <janrinok> by real English you mean real American. The country is England. The language is English.
[07:24:24] <Happyoristarchus> The Britains are long gone, and spoke something akin to Welsh or Gaelic, so let's not bring Frisians or Jutes into the debate.
[07:27:43] <Happyoristarchus> And why are posts that merely mention aristarchus being Spam modded, as opposed to those that are suspected with no evidence of actually being posted by a ghost aristarchus? Are the admins trying to erase the memory of the Great aristarchus?
[07:29:31] <janrinok> If someone is silly enough to claim to be aristarchus then they will be treated iaw the Decision
[07:31:30] <janrinok> You seem to be under the erroneous belief that all moderations are being done by Administrators, whereas the majority are being done by the community.
[07:44:54] <Happyoristarchus> But just mentioning aristarchus, in requium, should not be Spam moddable. That is my point.
[07:45:38] <FatPhil> it should be, if done by aristarchus
[07:46:01] <FatPhil> he's the only one who obsesses over talking about aristarchus
[07:46:09] <Happyoristarchus> And, at this stage, it is apparent to all that the Community is the admin and eds, and Runaway, khallow, Fusty, and Zumi. Oh, and the Monkey and Danny.
[07:46:17] <FatPhil> as we can see from the fact that he's still doing it
[07:47:04] <Happyoristarchus> No, he isn't.
[07:48:59] <AzumaHazuki> i don't feel like "the Community"
[07:49:09] <AzumaHazuki> if anything i feel like i don't belong here at all
[07:49:56] <janrinok> well the disruption caused by the sock puppets is driving away long-time members.
[07:51:05] <janrinok> ... but as that was always the stated aim of aristarchus I am not surprised.
[08:01:19] <AzumaHazuki> you have much larger problems than ari
[08:04:23] <Happyoristarchus> Sock puppets,if there were actually any, was a reaction to the alt-right techno-nerd infestation.
[08:07:11] <janrinok> There were many, and they are still being created even today :) But I take it that you are conceding that your claims of Runaway have a sock puppet army are baseless and you have no evidence that they ever existed.
[08:08:09] <janrinok> And everybody either has free speech in the their journals or nobody does. You do not have the right to stop people from expressing their views however much they are contrary to your own.
[08:09:08] <janrinok> But just as you did up the page, everything you write is personality based. You do not argue the facts under discussion, you simply try to discredit those you do not like, including myself.
[08:11:05] <janrinok> You have nothing of interest to offer this site. And the community can see that clearly now.
[08:15:31] <AzumaHazuki> speaking for myself? ten thousand times i would rather deal with him than frickin' runaway
[08:15:44] <AzumaHazuki> that guy is becoming a legal liability
[08:19:07] <janrinok> As long as he keeps it in his journal he has every right to speak as he wishes, providing that he does not break any laws. That is the problem with free speech. Everybody wants to control it to meet their own views of what is acceptable. I rarely read his journals and I don't care to hear or read is opinions on anything.
[08:19:39] <janrinok> s/is/his/
[08:19:39] <SedBot> <janrinok> As long as he keeps it in hhis journal he has every right to speak as he wishes, providing that he does not break any laws. That is the problem with free speech. Everybody wants to control it to meet their own views of what is acceptable. I rarely read his journals and I don't care to hear or read is opinions on anything.
[08:20:18] <janrinok> s/hhis/is/
[08:20:37] <janrinok> s/is opinions/his opinions/
[08:20:37] <SedBot> <janrinok> As long as he keeps it in his journal he has every right to speak as he wishes, providing that he does not break any laws. That is the problem with free speech. Everybody wants to control it to meet their own views of what is acceptable. I rarely read his journals and I don't care to hear or read his opinions on anything.
[08:29:21] <Happyoristarchus> Fraud, and lies, to get aristarchus banned? Legal? Just a problem of too gullible of a staff on SN.
[08:30:46] <Happyoristarchus> Don't think it is aristarchus that is driving people away, but the admin treatment of aristarchus that is doing so. Blowback? Unintended consequences?
[08:30:55] <janrinok> But you did claim that Runaway had an 'army of bots' - yet now you say if 'sock puppets, if there were actually any'
[08:32:31] <Happyoristarchus> I hear aristarchus created 20 new sockpuppets, just today. Funny how no one with a UID over, say, 6000, ever posts comments.
[08:32:46] <janrinok> It is not your treatment but the fact that you cannot accept that you have made a grave error. This site owes you nothing. You stated the other day that all the doxxing material had been declared by Runaway. Let us imagine that the claim is actually true.
[08:33:18] <AzumaHazuki> i personally don't believe ari dropped serious dox. i can't find them anyway
[08:33:22] <janrinok> What did you hope to achieve by repeating it over and over again. What was your intention
[08:33:51] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, I am pleased that you cannot find them. It took a lot of hard work.
[08:33:57] <Happyoristarchus> Runaway claimed he had an army of 1024 sockpuppets. Convenient number. True? Not if Runaway was lying. But if he was, could he have been lying about the phishing?
[08:34:13] <AzumaHazuki> i'd love to know if my original research was correct, if nothing else =P
[08:34:32] <AzumaHazuki> all that's available right now it a few links to his ugly goat-faced mug on some motorcycle forum
[08:34:36] <Happyoristarchus> Wallaby Way, Sidney, AR.
[08:34:52] <janrinok> It wasn't Runaway who was giving the information to us - it was you. You searched elsewhere off this site for some of it and then repeated it here.
[08:35:02] <AzumaHazuki> there is no such place as Wallaby Way, nor is there a Sidney in the state of Arkansas, which is abbreviated AK, not AR
[08:35:54] <Happyoristarchus> Who you? There is a Sidney. And AK is Alaska. Starting to worry about your google-foo, Hazuki!
[08:35:56] <janrinok> We know, ari did a good job of publishing a lot of unbelievable claims that he hoped would hide what he had actually released earlier.
[08:36:44] <Happyoristarchus> What was actually released, jan? Soylentils have never seen any actual evidence!
[08:37:37] <janrinok> And yet still he logs in as AC and makes the same accusations against Runaway but without any evidence whatsoever. He hasn't changed.
[08:37:38] <AzumaHazuki> i haven't anyway. but from the sound of it, runaway is not Alaskan
[08:37:42] <AzumaHazuki> i doubt he'd survive the cold
[08:38:35] <AzumaHazuki> there is no Wallaby Way in Arkansas nor Alaska, ari
[08:39:42] <Happyoristarchus> He did a stint in Maine, if his criminal record is to be believed. Finding Nemo (nobody, in Greek), Azuma. Try to interpret the cultural references. You may have to speak Whale.
[08:40:15] <Happyoristarchus> Oh, and I am not ari, just to be clear.
[08:40:29] <janrinok> Do you really expect us to publish the material that you were using to dox somebody. 'if his criminal record is to be believed'! There you go again. That did not originate from this site.
[08:41:07] <FatPhil> you're full of whiney crap like an ari, so you have equal value to an ari, which is nothing.
[08:41:27] <Happyoristarchus> Criminal records should not originate from this site. But they are public information, not hard to search.
[08:41:46] <janrinok> No, but you are the same person who created the 'aristarchus' account. And to everyone here it is simply enough to refer to you by the nickname that you yourself chose.
[08:42:17] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, runsaway has a criminal record?
[08:42:21] <AzumaHazuki> i'm somehow not surprised
[08:42:23] <Happyoristarchus> No, I am not. What makes you think I am?
[08:42:31] <janrinok> So you are collecting information and then bringing it to release on this site. What it the purpose? What do you hope to achieve?
[08:43:17] <janrinok> Well, don't tell anybody, but I am actually Father Christmas. I can make claims too.
[08:43:37] <FatPhil> where's me fuckin' bike?
[08:43:44] <Happyoristarchus> I want that pompous bastard to be afraid, as afraid as he tries to make liberals and progressive on this site afraid. Turnabout is fair play! And, Janrinok lies.
[08:44:22] <AzumaHazuki> ari, you're assuming the guy's wired normally. he's not. it's clear he was always a psychopath and the last few years have turned him into something less than human
[08:44:22] <Happyoristarchus> He's not F
[08:44:42] <AzumaHazuki> external reality does not figure into his decision making
[08:44:51] <janrinok> So you want to intimidate somebody on this site. Now do you understand why you are a nobody? Why you are not wanted here. Free speech is OK as long as people agree with your point of view?
[08:45:23] <AzumaHazuki> actually i kind of get the point he's making. it's a shitty thing to do but you can't argue it's undeserved
[08:45:48] <Happyoristarchus> No, I want 50 million liberals to visit him, and help him change his point of view.
[08:46:37] <Happyoristarchus> You are not the one threatened with death and civil war, so I now understand the shipwreck story.
[08:46:40] <AzumaHazuki> you can't change someone like that, ari. he's beyond redemption. forgiveness, i've learned, is about accepting that some people are scum
[08:46:53] <janrinok> So you want someone to swat him or worse? Physical violence is your solution? Well not on this site. You are nothing more than excrement.
[08:47:28] <Happyoristarchus> Take off and nuke them from orbit. The Brexit solution.
[08:47:42] <janrinok> A nice page of confessions that we have gathered here today. :)
[08:48:10] <Happyoristarchus> Northern Ireland is going to be the death of the British Empire. Fair irony, that.
[08:48:40] <Happyoristarchus> Confessions? Again, I am not, I repeat, not, aristarchus.
[08:48:47] <janrinok> What you want is anarchy on your terms. You are no different from those you accuse on this site of being extremists
[08:49:12] <Happyoristarchus> #WeAreAristarchus, we are legion.
[08:49:29] <janrinok> No but you said "No, I want 50 million liberals to visit him, and help him change his point of view" I am not debating who you are, but what you stand for.
[08:50:08] <janrinok> Oh good, lets quote a meme. That always wins arguments. Grow up and stop being childish.
[08:50:22] <Happyoristarchus> Only the inverse of what Runaway called for. So, it is OK if right-wing nut-jobs threaten death?
[08:50:35] <AzumaHazuki> janrinok, in all seriousness, i think i get what ari's trying to say here
[08:50:50] <AzumaHazuki> runaway needs a good dose of reality to smack him sober, if such a thing is possible
[08:50:55] <AzumaHazuki> thing is, i don't think it is
[08:50:57] <Happyoristarchus> Janrinok is oblivious.
[08:51:27] <janrinok> No, but if you want to take legal action then take it - except you haven't got the guts to do that have you. You could not hide behind anonymity if you tried to take such action.
[08:52:16] <Happyoristarchus> Legal action? I would have to know who Runaway1956 is in reality to do that.
[08:52:55] <janrinok> Whether it is deserved of not is irrelevant - it is not the purpose of this site. Take it to the authorities. If they agree with you then the matter will be handled just the way it should be. But you prefer to be a gutless coward and use this site to do your dirty work.
[08:53:02] <AzumaHazuki> what has he done that's illegal, as a single act? at this point you'd have to make a circumstantial-evidence plea for a red-flag judgment
[08:53:20] <AzumaHazuki> now he may lose his shit entirely and step over the line into making outright terroristic threats but until then...
[08:53:27] <janrinok> If you have his criminal record they you must know who he is - you claimed to have that a few lines up the page.,...
[08:53:35] <FatPhil> why are you all validating ari's fantasy by discussing it?
[08:54:25] <janrinok> Because the walls are tumbling down. And he is saying things that he will later regret.
[08:55:59] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, i wanna hear about this supposed criminal record. what was it, B&E? Brandishing a firearm? The proverbial "inappropriate charms on a goat?"
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[08:57:16] <AzumaHazuki> aaaaand there he goes
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[09:03:09] <Happyoristarchus> Sorry, pinged out while jan was lecturing.
[09:04:03] <Happyoristarchus> Still not aristarchus, though. That guy is banned, even from IRC.
[09:07:55] <AzumaHazuki> oh what a web of lulz you weave, when first you practice to deceive =P
[09:09:56] <Happyoristarchus> That is the point, on the internets, no one knows you're a dog.
[09:11:12] <Happyoristarchus> And I have to say, from my perspectice, aristarchus never was deceptive, he called it as he saw it, all the time, much to the chargin of the duplicitous right.
[09:15:23] <AzumaHazuki> okay, and...?
[09:15:49] <AzumaHazuki> look, empires collapse and die all the time. the "duplicitous right" won this one, which is to say, they got what they think they wanted
[09:15:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Prostate Cancer Hijacks Tumor Cells’ Circadian Rhythm to Evade Hormone Therapy - https://sylnt.us
[09:16:35] <Happyoristarchus> And? Runaway lied about being doxxed. He needs to be banned for manipulating staff to ban another soylentil. Rather simple.
[09:17:51] <Happyoristarchus> I hear the SCOTUS is looking to rescind Loving v. Virginia. Maybe Clarence has had enough of his White Wedding?
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[10:54:40] <janrinok> Except Runaway didn't lie - we didn't just take his word for it. The evidence was viewed by 5 people before a decision was reached.
[11:36:51] <FatPhil> 5 new tables: http://fatphil.org
[11:36:52] <systemd> ^ 03Religiosity vs. Covid Deaths Per Capita
[11:37:31] <FatPhil> it really looks like the evangelicals *hate* life!
[11:54:31] <inz> FP, are you getting nice light show down there? expecting it here in the evening
[12:06:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Makes History With First Rocket Launch From Commercial Spaceport in Australia - https://sylnt.us - it-will-be-going-the-wrong-way....
[12:18:58] <FatPhil> inz - there's a big ball of fusion that's pissing me off right now
[12:19:52] <FatPhil> me sprays the air above his head with atomised water to get some evaporative cooling in the place.
[12:21:25] <FatPhil> I can't believe it's dark enough to see much further north. we got a good display back in early spring, but that's a lot of inclination difference
[12:36:28] <inz> Yeah, that thing is messing things up here too.
[12:36:53] <inz> A radar was just showing some lightning in the Tallinn region
[13:53:56] <FatPhil> can't even hear any
[13:55:57] <FatPhil> https://www.lightningmaps.org agrees, nothing
[13:56:01] <systemd> ^ 03Real Time Lightning Map ( https://www.lightningmaps.org )
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[15:46:13] <chromas> FatPhil: I know I'm just a simple tard, but why is 25% the brightest colored highlight?
[15:57:51] <FatPhil> which table?
[15:59:20] <FatPhil> the lightest is 0% when such cells exists
[16:01:07] <chromas> oh yeah. Forgot I have an extension to darken websites. So it makes 25% be most red, then it goes black in either direction. See, told you iTarded
[16:01:53] * chromas turns off extension on FatPhil's website for maximum eyerape
[16:04:03] <FatPhil> I wanted the same mapping for all the 5, as they're all generated from one file.
[16:04:30] <FatPhil> I chose diametric endpoints, and then just walked a diagonal and then a side.
[16:05:17] <FatPhil> there were 5 other equally simply routes I could have taken, even assuming I want white->black as the full range.
[16:06:09] <FatPhil> I'm not super happy with the 5% banding presently, as not all tables have the full range.
[16:06:24] <chromas> yeah it looks fine normally—it's just that the Dark Reader extension is being too smart for my own good
[16:08:45] <chromas> I guess just a simple dkim/dmarc/spf isn't cool anymore. Now I gotta hae bimi too
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[16:09:10] <chromas> See? People are leaving in disgust now!
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[17:17:36] <FatPhil> inz: now I hear rumbles...
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[17:50:41] <FatPhil> Just lost the telly and hifi to a power glitch
[17:51:39] <FatPhil> but when I powered them back up, the MSI cubi (my "desktop"), and the two RasPis were still alive - hoorah for capacitance!
[17:53:48] <FatPhil> looks like the office (where I was doing my coding at the time) is unresponsive :(
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[18:12:28] <FatPhil> anyone used Gandi's "Linked zones"?
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[18:40:05] * Runaway1956 emails FatPhil 20 grams of capacitance
[18:41:37] <Runaway1956> I hope Customs doesn't open the package . . . not sure we're allowed to export capacitance to the Baltic states
[18:42:01] <Runaway1956> Damned Northern Euro terra-rists!
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[19:49:16] <FatPhil> I'll take your inductance, and multiply it by the square root of minus one.
[19:58:56] <Runaway1956> https://www.startribune.com
[19:58:57] <systemd> ^ 0350 migrants die after trailer abandoned in San Antonio heat
[19:59:11] <Runaway1956> Biden smiles and boats, "I did that!"
[19:59:33] <FatPhil> build a microwave!
[19:59:45] <Runaway1956> s /boats/boasts/
[20:00:00] <FatPhil> s/microwave/grill/
[20:00:00] <SedBot> <FatPhil> build a grill!
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[20:16:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Third and Fourth Robotic Arms Feel Like a Part of the User’s Own Body - https://sylnt.us - Dr.-Octopus
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[23:06:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We Need Smarter Cities, Not “Smart Cities” - https://sylnt.us - but-I-thought-we-built-this-city-on-rock-and-roll