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[07:28:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MIT Researchers Uncover ‘Unpatchable’ Flaw in Apple M1 Chips - https://sylnt.us - install-a-new-and-different-cpu-to-patch
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[16:46:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quantum Computer Succeeds Where a Classical Algorithm Fails - https://sylnt.us - you're-the-power-that-I-need-to-make-it-all-succeed
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[17:33:23] <janrinok> Hi Az
[17:34:28] <AzumaHazuki> hello, janrinok
[17:34:41] <janrinok> how's things?
[17:34:51] <AzumaHazuki> i've noticed a couple of Ari-as-AC's posts getting spam modded. it's obvious it's him but it's still an abuse of the system
[17:35:36] <janrinok> The Ban issued last year stated that ALL posts by Ari will be treated as Spam.
[17:36:26] <janrinok> We have closed down numerous of his sock puppets in the last few weeks too
[17:36:45] <AzumaHazuki> you can't 100% be sure any AC slagging on Runaway is Ari though. You can get close enough to be morally certain but still
[17:37:07] <janrinok> No, but his security is rubbish - we can tell exactly who it is.
[17:37:53] <janrinok> His hashes tie in with today's sock puppet - NobodyAristarchus which has since be banned and disabled
[17:38:07] <AzumaHazuki> how can you tell who it is?
[17:39:11] <janrinok> I am not giving details - but his security is rubbish. He logged in as NobodyAristarchus, posted by name and by AC using the same hashes, and then left before he was banned - which is what we have been doing for several weeks now.
[17:40:05] <janrinok> We don't use hashes much to identify people nowadays, Ari just makes it easy for us.
[17:40:21] <AzumaHazuki> you're hiding a bit too much from us, IMO, about how you do these things
[17:40:43] <AzumaHazuki> and this really doesn't fit the "freeze peach uber alles" assumption this place is supposedly founded on
[17:40:44] <janrinok> Well if we told you he would probably stop making those silly mistakes - so hard luck.
[17:41:22] <AzumaHazuki> you know he's just going to keep wasting your time, right? he's doing what's politely known as "Bayesian poisoning"
[17:41:51] <janrinok> We have not removed any posts by him, or removed his journals. If he creates a single account and plays by the rules then he can stay, otherwise he goes. It is quite simple.
[17:42:25] <AzumaHazuki> i wonder why he can't abide by that? i've yelled at him for well over a year to do it like I do, i.e., that way
[17:42:59] <janrinok> It's not wasting my time. The software flags his accounts up, the Admins agree on the action, and we click another button to kill the account.
[17:44:11] <janrinok> So you would prefer that we just let him return to do what he was doing (including doxing?) before he was banned. That is very forgiving of you.
[17:44:44] <janrinok> We don't however, think that that would be much of a deterrent.
[17:44:55] <progo> AzumaHazuki isn't happy unless she's upset about stuff like this :^)
[17:45:17] <AzumaHazuki> actually, no, i'd prefer if you disabled AC posting entirely
[17:45:29] <AzumaHazuki> which would have the effect of forcing him to use his account or STFU
[17:45:32] <janrinok> It's fine - she is entitled to her opinion and is free to give it. No point in hassling her for no good reason.
[17:45:44] <AzumaHazuki> ^ this. also eat my entire ass, progo :<
[17:46:10] <janrinok> Ah, so you would prefer that we punish loads of people for the crimes of one? We don't agree with that either - tempting as it sometime appears.
[17:46:53] <AzumaHazuki> in my estimation it's not a punishment; it's making people have skin in the game. if they want to say something they can say it 1) with their own account and 2) without hordes of astroturfing AC sockpuppets bolstering the position
[17:47:12] <AzumaHazuki> i don't ask anyone to do anything i don't do myself :)
[17:47:13] <janrinok> It is something that we have considered several times - but each time have decided that we lose more than we gain.
[17:47:34] <janrinok> You posted anon earlier today, "buttercup"
[17:47:55] <janrinok> but I have no problem with that either.
[17:50:04] <AzumaHazuki> I didn't post AC
[17:51:01] <janrinok> Banning AC posting just means that lots of spurious accounts would appear each day, post whatever they wish, and then never get used again. We cannot put a time delay between creating and account and being able to post (no programmer, remember) and it wouldn't solve the problem anyway.
[17:51:21] <janrinok> We have 17400 'accounts' - how many do you see posting on the site?
[17:51:30] <AzumaHazuki> at a rough glance, maybe 200
[17:51:47] <janrinok> The majority are spam, bots and sock-puppet accounts which we close down.
[17:53:37] <janrinok> we get, on average, 5 new accounts each day. The last 400 or so have produced 2 actual accounts. I spend my time analysing the accounts because I am weird that way.... :)
[17:53:46] <AzumaHazuki> christ, that's awful
[17:54:13] <AzumaHazuki> okay, time for work...good luck with this mess @_@ even i didn't think it was THAT bad, eesh
[17:54:16] <janrinok> yep. But at least Ari's are obvious so we can identify and sometimes kill them in as little as 2 hours
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[17:54:31] <janrinok> Have a good day at work - sorry you have to work today
[18:46:50] <requerdanos> =submit https://www.yahoo.com
[18:46:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Google Engineer on Leave After He Claims AI Program Has Gone Sentient" (72p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[20:58:22] <buttercup> Buttercup? Seriously, jan, your AC identifications are getting worse, not better.
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[21:28:39] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.aviacionline.com
[21:28:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Lilium Achieves Main Wing Transition on its Phoenix 2 eVTOL Aircraft" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:31:11] <chromas> Zumi apparently missed the part where all the free speech people left long ago
[21:36:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA’s Second Mobile Launcher is Too Heavy, Years Late, and Pushing $1 Billion - https://sylnt.us - she's-so-heavy
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