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[02:36:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Teen Who Tracked Elon Musk’s Jet is Now Chasing Russian Oligarchs - https://sylnt.us - Here's-looking-at-YOU,-kid
[03:20:12] <Runaway1956> #weather st petersburg florida
[03:20:13] <MrPlow> 1st Avenue South & 27th Street South, 1st Ave South, Saint Petersburg, FL 33707, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 74/60F, Humidity: 57%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 77/64F, Humidity: 72%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~7mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 80/64F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~8mph.
[03:21:13] <Runaway1956> #weather London, Indiana
[03:21:15] <MrPlow> 7434 West 700 North, London, Shelby County, IN 46126, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 67/33F, Humidity: 65%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~6mph. Thu: "Overcast throughout the day." 41/25F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 5%, Wind ~10mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 53/41F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~8mph.
[03:24:45] <Runaway1956> #weather Odessa, Tx
[03:24:47] <MrPlow> East 2nd St, Odessa, TX 79761, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 74/45F, Humidity: 29%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~5mph. Thu: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 75/52F, Humidity: 54%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~8mph. Fri: "Windy in the evening and overnight." 81/53F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~14mph.
[03:25:21] <Runaway1956> #weather Kiev, Tx
[03:25:23] <MrPlow> 12882 Kiev Hills Dr, Houston, TX 77047, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 74/52F, Humidity: 67%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 76/57F, Humidity: 81%, Precip: 5%, Wind ~4mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 76/62F, Humidity: 91%, Precip: 13%, Wind ~8mph.
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[04:59:49] <tedious> Runaway1956: It's kiiiiiiv! :)
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[08:17:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DDoS Attackers Have Found This New Trick to Knock Over Websites - https://sylnt.us
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[08:40:35] <chromas> Sysadmins Hate Them!
[08:41:14] <boru> Can you read the article and tell me what the "trick" is? I refuse to load a URL with a title like that.
[08:54:42] <inz> Just a new method for amplicifation attacks, https://www.usenix.org
[08:54:43] <systemd> ^ 03Weaponizing Middleboxes for {TCP} Reflected Amplification
[08:55:57] <boru> Ah, RFC non-conformant stacks. Old chestnut.
[08:57:01] <boru> In some cases, you can easily scan around the 'Net for entrypoints with this problem.
[08:58:00] <boru> Lots of old industrial systems with no network interface have these intermediary boxes or cards which do Ethernet to serial and friends, and they have a bespoke network stack.
[08:59:09] <boru> You can banner grab them by completing a TCP connection for a start, and then start querying them for capabilities.
[08:59:41] <boru> But their TCP stacks are usually incomplete and buggy and have funny things like linear counting sequence numbers and stuff like that.
[09:00:15] <boru> So, it's fairly easy to trick them into sending lots of packets to other machines.
[09:01:27] <boru> In lots of cases, the intermediary machines, sometimes old PLCs simply don't have the resources for a fully compliant TCP stack.
[09:08:54] <FatPhil> boru: https://www.youtube.com
[09:08:55] <systemd> ^ 03USENIX Security '21 - Weaponizing Middleboxes for TCP Reflected Amplification
[09:09:16] <boru> From the title, I presume it's something like what I've just described.
[09:10:04] <FatPhil> I love the fact that it's boxes that are somehow supposed to improve some perceived "security" that are *causing* the problem.
[09:10:44] <boru> Well, to be fair, TCP does have a number of flaws.
[09:10:44] <FatPhil> infinite amplification ftw!
[09:11:07] <boru> It simply can't be fixed because of the 'Net's reliance on it.
[09:11:19] <FatPhil> yeah, but this looks like it's almost entirely shortcuts that violate the protocol.
[09:11:24] <FatPhil> broken things are broken.
[09:11:46] <boru> Sure, like what I just described.
[09:11:57] <boru> But the RFC standard has some problems as well.
[09:12:06] <FatPhil> indeed
[09:12:21] <boru> Fixing it would be a costly endeavour and neither UDP nor SCTP are suitable drop-ins.
[09:12:46] <boru> So we have broken TCP.
[09:13:29] <FatPhil> not really, we have placed stupid packet emitters all over the internet, turned them on, and made them publically accessible. TCP can't prevent that.
[09:14:01] <boru> It's not supposed to.
[09:14:29] <boru> The point I was making is that we have to keep TCP, including the broken parts.
[09:17:10] <FatPhil> how would you design a protocol that ensured nothing bad happened when you don't follow it?
[09:17:23] <boru> You keep missing my point.
[09:17:34] <boru> TCP, the standard, has problems in it.
[09:17:42] <FatPhil> That's not the problem with this attack
[09:17:54] <FatPhil> -1 Offtopic
[09:18:01] <boru> I am making a general statement, ancilliary to the attack in question.
[09:18:18] <FatPhil> And noone is debating you on that point.
[09:18:24] <boru> You're being willfully obtuse to annoy me, I think.
[09:18:59] <FatPhil> Isn't off-topicness more obtuse than on-topicness?
[09:19:24] <boru> Yes, discussing TCP whilst discussing TCP is off topic.
[09:19:36] <boru> Don't try to weasel your way out of it.
[09:20:16] <boru> Anyway, I now have more important things to be doing.
[09:20:31] <FatPhil> You've expanded the scope of discussion unnecessarily.
[09:20:47] <FatPhil> Computers, eh, with their bugs.
[09:20:49] <boru> Okay man, you're right, I'm wrong. Good discussion. Catch you later.
[09:21:03] <FatPhil> Humans, eh? Implementing systems with bugs.
[09:26:37] <FatPhil> Waiting for teledildonics to suffer the same bugs: https://www.cpsc.gov
[09:26:38] <systemd> ^ 03Fitbit Recalls Ionic Smartwatches Due to Burn Hazard; One Million Sold in the U.S.
[09:34:21] * FatPhil notices that the previously-unopened bag of googly eyes has a slight tear near one of its staples, and now fears where they might start appearing...
[09:35:33] <chromas> Could just fix TCP. It won't cost anything because nobody will be compliant anyhow :)
[09:39:23] <FatPhil> If there are problems in the protocol (which there are) then you can't fix them, as could break everything that relies on the broken protocol. Replace might be a better option.
[09:40:15] <FatPhil> TCP's particularly silly (not broken, per se, but just horribly sub-optimal) for wireless comms, where packet loss is not uncommon.
[09:40:49] <chromas> not uncommon
[09:40:55] <chromas> so, common?
[09:40:56] <FatPhil> Which is quite surprising given UoH's early involvement in comms.
[09:41:09] <chromas> I guess it could include exactly 50% between common and uncommon
[09:43:01] <FatPhil> (1,1) on y=1/x. Is it tall, or is it flat? Neither, it's not-tall and it's not-flat. Nothing wrong in the use of negatives to exclude regions.
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[10:22:45] <chromas> it's extra typing though
[10:23:12] <chromas> oh, I mean, it's not less typing
[10:24:00] <FatPhil> local cafe has a different sign each today. today's: http://fatphil.org
[10:37:02] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[10:37:04] <systemd> ^ 03A Gigabyte of RAM Should Do the Trick
[10:37:09] <chromas> Sudden urge to own a Newton
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[10:53:47] <FatPhil> woh - preparing a manuscript for a new cranky journal with rules including "protest is only a noun, never a verb". Not seen proscriptivity quite that extreme before. "Protest"'s totally a verb for me. The journal doth protest too much, methinks.
[10:56:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Deciphering Behavior Algorithms Used by Ants and the Internet - https://sylnt.us
[12:13:24] <Runaway1956> Tedious, as an American I have a moral responsibility to butcher foreign languages, doubly so in the case of Kiev, because news anchors also pronounce it Keeyev
[12:37:03] <Runaway1956> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[12:37:04] <systemd> ^ 03International Cat Federation bans Russian cats from competitions
[12:37:14] <Runaway1956> Surely Putin will throw in the towel now
[12:38:17] <FatPhil> there's going to be a lot of cat stew in st. petersburn, there's no point in having show cats unless you travel with them
[12:47:13] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.technologyreview.com nothing to see here, move along now
[12:47:16] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08The Secret Police: Local and Federal Cops Built a Shadowy Surveillance Machine in Minnesota After Ge" (34p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:47:49] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: I subscribe to well more than half of Noah Webster's spelling reform, so you can happily butcher even English, as long as you're consistent.
[12:49:29] <FatPhil> https://scontent-hel3-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[12:53:17] <Runaway1956> “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." - Waldo somebody
[12:53:51] <FatPhil> Runaway1956++ Thank you for including the 'foolish', that's a vital word in the quote.
[12:53:51] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 47
[12:54:22] <Runaway1956> The question remains: Where's Waldo?
[12:54:30] <FatPhil> In the red and white stripes
[12:55:38] <Runaway1956> And I've been looking in Grant's tomb all this time.
[12:57:24] <FatPhil> https://twitter.com
[13:01:37] <Runaway1956> That young soldier may well kill himself if he continues to blast away at targets 4 feet from the muzzle
[13:03:42] <FatPhil> he's clearly lost and separated from the rest of his pack. if he looks for food in IT stores, I suspect he's a gonner anyway.
[13:05:42] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[13:05:42] <systemd> ^ 03Teen electrocuted after asking his parents to leave the dinner table to charge his phone
[13:05:59] <FatPhil> wat?
[13:06:11] <Runaway1956> He was probably holding it wrong.
[13:38:36] <janrinok> Runaway1956, you do realise why they pronounce it differently, don't you? Kiev is the Russian name, in Ukranian it is Kyiv. Very different spelling and pronunciation. I would suggest that the Ukrainians know how to pronounce it properly, but I suppose it depends which side one supports.
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[14:14:37] <FatPhil> These probably doesn't need any actual translation to work out what's going on: https://i.redd.it https://i.redd.it
[14:14:57] <FatPhil> I grammer gud
[14:19:22] <inz> Sweden, Russia, small difference (Absolut)
[14:20:40] <inz> At least Finlandia is not boycotted, even though it has the bad Vodka word.
[14:21:33] <FatPhil> I Was wondering about the Absolut thing - aren't Absolut British now?
[14:21:50] <inz> Hmm, I guess it's actually meant for the standard vodka on the lower shelf.
[14:22:01] <FatPhil> I think it's the lower shelf too
[14:22:49] <FatPhil> differnet protocol n the art stuff
[14:22:56] <inz> Absolut is produced in Sweden, but owned by the francs
[14:24:08] <FatPhil> Yeah, Pernod Ricard. I new it was one of the big brands, and thought it might be Diageo
[14:24:52] <inz> That's smirnoff
[14:25:11] <FatPhil> yup
[14:25:38] <FatPhil> But these brand companies have never felt the need to stop at just one big brand in the sector
[14:25:58] <FatPhil> multiple gives them the chance to offer the illusion of choice
[14:31:46] <Runaway1956> Janrinok - Yeah, I'm sure that's all relevant, but 'Muricans have a long tradition of butchering whatever language we encounter
[14:31:55] <Runaway1956> Ukrainian should be no different.
[14:32:08] <FatPhil> equal opportunity mangler
[14:32:36] <Runaway1956> it would be raciss to favor one language over another
[14:34:57] * Runaway1956 has never liked vodka very much
[14:35:55] <Runaway1956> I wouldn't know one brand from another, TBH, only thing I know about it is, it's supposed to be odorless, or nearly so
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[14:40:40] <Runaway1956> https://www.businessinsider.co.za
[14:40:44] <systemd> ^ 03A Russian businessman has put a $1 million bounty on Vladimir Putin's head
[14:41:03] <Runaway1956> Bounties might work, where all the military aid in the world won't
[14:48:55] <janrinok> Runaway1956, I was the same as you - just didn't like vodka until I lived in Russia. But vodka straight from the freezer into a very cold shot glass, accompanied by typical Russian nibbles, changed my mind.
[14:57:44] <Runaway1956> https://www.msn.com
[14:57:44] <systemd> ^ 03MSN
[14:59:02] <Runaway1956> Sorry, brainfart here - I was thinking Alan Alda when I read Alan Ladd
[14:59:15] <Runaway1956> Still - Ladd is notable . . .
[15:01:41] <Cascade> Should have been Kennedy.
[15:01:45] <Cascade> Kathleen, that is.
[15:01:48] <Cascade> Black mold.
[15:01:52] <Cascade> Texas pee.
[15:02:52] <Runaway1956> Care for an anecdote about backwoods country medicine?
[15:03:05] <Runaway1956> Sister in law fell a couple days ago
[15:03:13] <Runaway1956> Pain in her chest
[15:03:22] <Runaway1956> I suggest she go see the doctor
[15:03:36] <Runaway1956> "No, I'm supposed to go to the doctor next week . . . "
[15:04:01] <Runaway1956> So, Dear Wife makes the trip over to SIL to deliver some pain medicine.
[15:04:31] <Runaway1956> I won't specify the name of the med, but I'm pretty sure it's prescription
[15:04:42] <Cascade> That is horrible.
[15:05:01] <Runaway1956> Geeeez, Louise, we have our own non-Mexican drug cartel going here!
[15:05:53] <Cascade> It's that tasty Tylenol 3.
[15:06:29] <Runaway1956> Nahhh, I have some of that sitting on my own shelf - that's only good for minor boo-boos, IMO
[15:08:03] <Cascade> Ah, I knew opiods were too weak for Dr. Runaway
[15:08:18] * Cascade checks for i
[15:08:51] * Runaway1956 has a bottle of i, tosses one to Cascade
[15:09:03] <FatPhil> what's "i"?
[15:09:23] <Runaway1956> That is what is missing from opiods above
[15:09:23] <FatPhil> ivermectin! I knew it, you horse wormers!
[15:09:41] <FatPhil> hahah, didn't read back enough
[15:10:06] <Cascade> I aye ay!
[15:10:22] * Cascade turns Mexican from Runaway1956's iBottle
[15:10:56] <Runaway1956> iThings will do that to you - side effects may include a craving for Chinese foods
[15:13:27] <Runaway1956> Isn't Dilbar the name of a comic strip? So, Germany seized a comic?
[15:16:03] <Cascade> You're thinking of Dairy Quain.
[15:16:05] <Cascade> https://order.dairyqueen.com.ph
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[15:41:44] <FatPhil> Oi! Putin! Leave our ships alone. http://www.maritimebulletin.net
[15:41:45] <systemd> ^ 03Estonian freighter captured by Russian Navy, sank off Odessa UPDATE – Maritime Bulletin
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[15:51:58] <chromas> How can you have any Putin if you don't beat your meat?
[15:53:44] <Bytram> If you can't beat 'em ... ?? ;)
[15:53:58] <Bytram> laters!
[15:58:28] <inz> FatPhil, hmm, does that count as an attack against NATO...
[16:02:11] <FatPhil> ... asking for a group of friends ...
[16:27:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High Blood Pressure Linked with Certain Oral Bacteria in Older Women - https://sylnt.us
[16:47:43] <chromas> https://i.kym-cdn.com
[16:51:15] <FatPhil> new table! http://fatphil.org
[16:51:16] <systemd> ^ 03Education Level (Uni) vs. Covid Deaths Per Capita
[16:55:32] <chromas> hm, so lower education = fewer deaths
[16:58:47] <FatPhil> did you get schooled in Mississippi?
[16:58:52] <FatPhil> new table: http://fatphil.org
[16:58:53] <systemd> ^ 03Education Level (High School) vs. Covid Deaths Per Capita
[16:59:25] <chromas> I can't help if you don't specify the sort direction ;)
[16:59:35] <chromas> or sort erection
[17:01:29] <FatPhil> Which end did you expect Mississippi to be at, eh?
[17:02:15] <chromas> the middle end
[17:03:03] <FatPhil> that's loopy!
[17:08:52] <Runaway1956> https://www.thesun.co.uk
[17:08:53] <systemd> ^ 03Estonian ship 'used by Russia as shield' SINKS after 'hitting mine' off Ukraine
[17:09:07] <Runaway1956> The Sun claims six sailors were rescued - hope they're right
[17:09:59] <Runaway1956> Can't help wondering why there are still civilian ships in the area
[17:12:11] <FatPhil> there are lots of details not yet worked out, such as when/where it was commandeered. However, "All six crew members have since been safely accounted for, the Estonian foreign ministry says"
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[17:38:41] <Runaway1956> Is this credible? At all? https://www.rawstory.com
[17:38:41] <systemd> ^ 03Intel official: Russia planning public executions after Ukrainian cities captured
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[18:02:33] <janrinok> Runaway1956, it is possible but I would say that it is extremely unlikely. The source is very pro-Ukrainian and therefore will be biased., However, it is something that did happen in a small number of cases in Chechniya.
[18:05:32] <Runaway1956> I blame Europeans! This wouldn't happen in Asia - - - oops. How 'bout Africa? Whoops. Maybe the Americas? Ooops, again . . . damned monkeys are all the same, wherever you go
[18:26:01] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: most of you yanks are yooropeans too.
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[21:06:49] <Runaway1956> Oooooh - caltrops! Or, cowflops, or something . . .
[21:06:55] <Runaway1956> https://www.wsj.com
[21:06:56] <systemd> ^ 03Russian Forces Advance in Southern Ukraine as Cease-Fire Talks End
[21:09:56] <FatPhil> Madcows?
[21:10:33] <Runaway1956> Madcows are restricted to #shitlords - you said it your own self
[21:10:33] <FatPhil> Yes, send bloody Madcow to Moscow to negotiate. If that doesn't drive Vlad to suicide I don't know what will.
[21:10:47] <FatPhil> oh, noes, bad me
[21:11:14] <Runaway1956> tell the bot to kick FatPhil
[21:11:27] <FatPhil> no need, I'm ops already
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[21:11:36] <Runaway1956> lol
[21:12:39] * Runaway1956 wonders if there is anything ready to eat . ..
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[21:14:33] * FatPhil won't do it again
[21:19:41] <Runaway1956> Do what again? I haz a short attention span
[21:21:24] <Runaway1956> Oh shit - Ukraine has gone full prohibition!
[21:21:37] <Runaway1956> Wine and beer sections of supermarkets were cordoned off with tape, to comply with the new prohibition of alcoholic beverages.
[21:21:51] <Runaway1956> I can't support such a fascist government
[21:25:27] <Runaway1956> Nothing edible when I checked, maybe I check again . . .
[21:25:53] <FatPhil> https://t.co Oooooops! 8-o
[21:25:54] <systemd> ^ 03https://twitter.com/skbozphd/status/1499298691156705282/video/1
[21:29:12] <Runaway1956> Ron Paul institute? Maybe I'll look that up some time.
[21:33:58] <tedious> Why does the ron paul institute have anything to say about this war except that it shouldn't be happening?
[21:35:27] <tedious> Oh I see the punchline now.
[21:35:42] <tedious> FatPhil++ that was well worth the time
[21:35:42] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 171
[21:36:06] <tedious> I think that one clip sums up the whole conflict.
[21:40:57] <FatPhil> yeah, you need to watch to the end
[21:41:14] <FatPhil> it would be easy to just say "idiots" and click stop
[21:41:45] <FatPhil> I wonder if the captions guy got the sack
[21:47:45] <Bytram> FatPhil: Hmmm. I don't have a twitter acct, and nitter.net does not resolve what appears to be a YouTube reference for me? Link please?
[21:49:01] <Bytram> Look like it *should* be interesting!
[21:49:27] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
[21:49:50] <Runaway1956> try that bytram - I've watched the video and I don't have an account either
[21:57:52] <Bytram> Runaway1956: Had to set 2 noscript settings to temp override, and then I *could* watch! What a BIG oops!
[21:58:12] <Bytram> Runaway1956++ thank you!
[21:58:12] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 48
[21:58:30] <Runaway1956> That's annoying - I usually close the tab when it happens
[22:01:34] <Runaway1956> Bah-B-Q ribs, steamed peas, and mashed 'taters - mmmmm mmm good!
[22:02:16] <Bytram> sounds tasty!
[22:03:09] <Runaway1956> Imagine the primitives from Europe who thought green peas were poison
[22:03:13] * Bytram liked peas, even as a kid!
[22:04:08] <Bytram> still do!
[22:04:54] <Runaway1956> Ever had field peas and snaps? That's about the only pea better than green peas
[22:05:21] <Runaway1956> Those and purple hulled peas
[22:06:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD's Ryzen 5000 CPUs Get Major Price Cuts, Up to 25 Percent - https://sylnt.us
[22:07:24] <Bytram> "field peas"? We has a garden growing up -- would pick them fresh and eat 'em within an hour, max!
[22:08:50] <Runaway1956> https://www.amazon.com
[22:09:30] <Runaway1956> They are akin to blackeyed peas, but quite different
[22:09:54] <Runaway1956> flavor I can't resist
[22:09:58] * Bytram was a strange kid -- also liked carrots, beans (green and wax), tomatoes, and beets, too!
[22:11:00] <Bytram> don't recall having black-eyed peas
[22:11:33] <Runaway1956> I don't remember them growing up, but if you move south of the Mason Dixon, you'll definitely meet them
[22:12:10] <Runaway1956> they seem to replace Navy beans and Great Northern beans
[22:12:38] <Bytram> Baked Beans++
[22:13:12] <FatPhil> Ah, the Hayseed Dixie line
[22:13:17] <FatPhil> =yt Hayseed Dixie
[22:13:18] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Hell's Bells by Hayseed Dixie (04:21; 538,693 views; 👍1,248 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])
[22:13:23] <FatPhil> that'll do
[22:15:21] <FatPhil> they have a whole album of AC/DC songs /Let There Be Rockgrass/
[22:17:32] <FatPhil> If you like that, then Iron Horse have done AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabboth/Ozzy, and Metallica albums.
[22:17:52] <Runaway1956> nothing says hayseed like cutoff overalls
[22:46:04] <tedious> Runaway1956: Do you happen to know the species of those excellent peas so I can look them up?
[22:46:33] <tedious> And which ones do you have to shell instead of just eating the whole pods?
[22:46:43] <Runaway1956> I'll have to look tedious . . .
[22:46:59] <Runaway1956> Virtually all of the peas have edible pods, if you pick them early
[22:47:10] <Runaway1956> after they mature, just about none are edible
[22:48:37] <Runaway1956> https://www.gardeningknowhow.com
[22:48:37] <systemd> ^ 03Field Pea Information - Learn About Different Field Pea Varieties
[22:49:12] <Runaway1956> I am pretty certain that the field peas I am familiar with are creamer peas -
[22:54:19] <Runaway1956> https://www.victoryseeds.com
[22:54:20] <systemd> ^ 03Purplehull (Purple Hull) Southern Pea Varieties - Heirloom, Open Pollinated, Non-hybrid Seeds from Victory Seeds®
[22:55:27] <tedious> Oh ok I thought field peas were just a nickname given to any kind you found growing wild. :)
[22:56:29] <tedious> And these are both very tasty in your opinion?
[22:57:06] <Runaway1956> Yes, they are much tastier than blackeye peas, or most of the beans I grew up with
[22:57:22] <tedious> I'll have to look them up to see how healthy they are and how much endocrine disruptors they contain.
[22:57:28] <Runaway1956> Dried peas and beans especially need a lot of spices and flavoring
[22:57:51] <Runaway1956> when fresh, these need nothing more than a little salt and pepper, to your own taste
[22:58:18] <tedious> I recently learned that all kinds of plants I would never have guessed actually contain everything from anti-nutrient phytates to endocrine disruptors.
[22:58:42] <tedious> How are they when frozen?
[22:58:45] * Runaway1956 has no idea what his endocrine status is
[22:59:02] <Runaway1956> They freeze nicely, we've frozen a lot, years ago
[22:59:31] <Runaway1956> When the kids were young, we kept a big garden - something around 1/2 acre
[22:59:31] <tedious> I'm sure fresh veggies are best but frozen is probably good too.
[23:00:00] <Runaway1956> Yep, very good
[23:01:40] <Runaway1956> If you cared to try a single can, just to get an idea if you like them, Allens is good brand
[23:02:09] <Runaway1956> Amazon only sells in six packs though - https://www.amazon.com
[23:02:36] <Runaway1956> I've often brought a can of those home, and heated them up
[23:02:57] <Runaway1956> as you say, fresh is best!
[23:04:47] <Runaway1956> LOL - I certainly don't pay $3/can for them! I think about $1.10 to maybe $1.50
[23:05:52] <tedious> I'd rather pay more for frozen peas than eat them out of a can.
[23:06:35] <Runaway1956> Agreed on frozen better than canned - if you routinely have groceries delivered, I guess that might work out for you
[23:06:58] <tedious> I'll see if I can find some the next time I go shopping.
[23:07:03] <tedious> Delivered??
[23:07:07] <Runaway1956> Enjoy!
[23:07:15] <tedious> Wow I didn't realize you were that rich. :)
[23:07:42] <Runaway1956> LOL, quite the opposite - if someone were to deliver groceries, I'm too cheap to pay for them!
[23:07:49] <tedious> I'm still one of the little people who has to go get food the 2019 way. :)
[23:08:04] <Runaway1956> I was considering the possiblity that you might get deliveries is all
[23:14:07] <tedious> Nope but I appreciate the recommendation just as well. :)
[23:14:13] <tedious> Thanks very much!