#soylent | Logs for 2022-03-01

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[00:35:00] <chromas> that https://kyivindependent.com site appears to use an http post for redirect
[00:35:00] <systemd> ^ 03Just a moment...
[00:43:05] <Bytram> Now, when I try ( https://liveuamap.com ) I get: Error 502 Ray ID: 6e4dd7f62c0a81b5 • 2022-03-01 00:40:51 UTC
[00:43:05] <Bytram> Bad gateway
[00:43:05] <systemd> ^ 03502 Bad Gateway
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[01:23:15] <Runaway1956> I'm questioning my ears - or the narrator https://www.youtube.com
[01:23:16] <systemd> ^ 03LIVE: Watch TRTWORLD
[01:23:51] <Runaway1956> I swear I heard that there is a convoy "64 kilometers long" ready to roll from Belarus toward Kiev
[01:24:20] <Runaway1956> That would likely be more troops than have already entered Ukraine
[01:56:27] <chromas> bbc says 40 miles long
[01:56:40] <chromas> not sure why they're using murican units
[01:58:48] <Bytram> who's [mis] quoting whom?
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[02:01:49] <Bytram> Who is the *original* source? What language were they speaking? Is that their native language?
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[02:11:45] <Bytram> https://edition.cnn.com
[02:11:48] <systemd> ^ 03Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine
[02:12:05] <chromas> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[02:12:10] <systemd> ^ 03Ukraine live updates: Huge convoy of Russian armour advances on Kyiv - BBC News
[02:13:37] <chromas> =yt mannheim steamroller convoy
[02:13:38] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Convoy (03:54; 26,648 views; 👍388 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])
[02:14:01] <Bytram> 40-mile-long Russian military convoy heading toward Kyiv - https://cnn.it
[02:14:02] <chromas> or cw macall. same guy
[02:14:04] <systemd> ^ 03Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine ( https://edition.cnn.com )
[02:15:25] <chromas> Who is the *original* source? What language were they speaking? Is that their native language?
[02:16:36] <Bytram> chromas: We could not have merged those threads together worse if we tried!
[02:16:48] <Bytram> break
[02:20:17] <chromas> ok you're right. cw mcall ≠ manheim steamroller. they just worked together.
[02:20:32] <chromas> on that song
[02:20:35] <chromas> 🎵convoyyyy🎵
[02:36:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Publication of the FSF-Funded White Papers on Questions around Copilot - https://sylnt.us - acquisition-for-30x-annual-recurring-revenue
[02:52:48] <tedious> Bytram: Haven't we heard about that 40 mile long convoy for 2 or 3 days now?
[02:53:22] <Bytram> chromas: Huh? Neat! I never knew that. "Fries wrote the lyrics and sang while Chip Davis, later of Mannheim Steamroller, wrote the music." https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:53:23] <systemd> ^ 03C. W. McCall - Wikipedia
[02:54:14] <chromas> Mmm, Chip & Fries
[02:54:31] <chromas> potato/potato
[02:54:41] <Bytram> Apparently he's not doing too well lately: https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:54:42] <systemd> ^ 03C. W. McCall - Wikipedia
[02:55:15] <Bytram> "C.W. McCall, an outlaw country singer best known for truck-themed songs like "Convoy," has revealed that he's in hospice."
[02:56:13] <chromas> That sucks
[02:56:21] <chromas> Well convoys aren't so popular right now.
[02:56:49] <Bytram> tru dat
[02:57:04] <chromas> [phantom honking]
[03:22:54] <tedious> https://www.bangkokpost.com
[03:22:59] <systemd> ^ 03Elon Musk sends internet gear to Ukraine
[03:23:07] <tedious> Terminals already showing up.
[03:52:14] <FatPhil> never let a good trgedy go to waste.
[03:56:14] * Runaway1956 spends 1/2 hour watching 4 F@H clients battling for bandwidth to upload finished work units
[03:56:28] <Runaway1956> two finally finished, two left battling each other
[03:57:31] <Runaway1956> I've sent multiple emails to the people installing fiber, asking when I get my upgrade - and they just don't answer
[04:07:22] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.nytimes.com
[04:07:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03As Tanks Rolled Into Ukraine, So Did Malware. Then Microsoft Entered the War." (40p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:07:44] <Runaway1956> MS gonna take credit for winning the war against Russia
[04:10:09] <Runaway1956> https://www.alternet.org
[04:10:42] <Runaway1956> That's okay, I despise alternet
[04:19:54] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.politico.com
[04:19:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ukrainian Pilots Arrive in Poland to Pick Up Donated Fighter Jets" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:31:07] <tedious> Runaway1956: You need to show up at their office and ask to see the manager. :)
[04:32:03] <tedious> Everybody wants their fiber installed asap but the squeeky wheel gets the grease first.
[04:34:05] <tedious> https://www.timesnownews.com
[04:34:08] <systemd> ^ 03Russian military heads for Kyiv: Satellite images show massive 40-mile long convoy with tanks and artillery
[04:47:06] <tedious> I just saw a very smart comment on reddit of all places.
[04:47:31] <tedious> Everybody is asking why that convoy hasn't been bombed to pieces by the uaf.
[04:48:21] <tedious> Apparently that's because there are russian s-400 air defense missiles in belarus only 160km away from kiev.
[04:49:05] <tedious> He said s-400 has a range of 400km so that convoy is effectively protected from most air attacks even without russian fighters escorting it.
[04:49:30] <tedious> I didn't realize those air defense systems could be so attack-y.
[04:53:04] <Runaway1956> Tedious - I could send grandchildren with squeaky voices?
[04:54:03] <Runaway1956> also don't forget that the convoy probably includes anti-air missiles and guns
[04:56:21] <tedious> I approve of your weaponized grandkids. :)
[05:02:40] <tedious> It's funny to see all the keyboard jockeys on reddit berating the uaf for not destroying this convoy when they obviously don't know anything they didn't get from the bbc article with the 2 aerial photos.
[05:03:03] <tedious> Lots of american rage demanding the usa get involved and slaughter russians too.
[05:04:12] <Runaway1956> I don't know that there is anything that can be done, TBH - if/when one nuclear power attacks another nuclear power, all kinds of bad shit can happen
[05:05:09] <Runaway1956> The probable best thing possible at this point, is if Moscow revolts, and shitcans Putin - with or without a bullet behind his ear
[05:06:08] <Runaway1956> Not many Russian leaders get to retire to their billion dollar villas anyway
[05:06:55] <Runaway1956> Tsar Nicholas set an example that Russians feel compelled to follow
[05:07:16] <tedious> I have a hard time imagining putin being overthrown even with a major cia color revolution effort.
[05:07:37] <tedious> But if I'm wrong I'd love to hear how.
[05:07:57] <Runaway1956> CIA would be counter productive - it would have to be 100% homegrown
[05:08:21] <tedious> Has there ever been a 100% homegrown revolution in history?
[05:08:39] <Runaway1956> Mmmmmmmmm good question
[05:09:28] <Cascade> How about we Americans send in our own convoy? We can honk the Russians back to where they went to.
[05:09:28] <tedious> But anyway I have just as hard a time imagining the cia keeping their naughty hands off moscow if something actually does start.
[05:13:21] <Runaway1956> Huh - my freezer contains a tub of sorbet
[05:13:41] <Runaway1956> I had to look up the difference between sorbet and sherbet
[05:17:32] <FatPhil> if most of moscow misses 7+/-2 meals, there'll probably be a strong incentife to defenestrate putin
[05:17:59] <tedious> Isn't that true of most politicians?
[05:18:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ISS Experiments To Find Solutions For Cleaning Up Orbital Debris And Repairing Damaged Satellites - https://sylnt.us
[05:18:18] <Runaway1956> OMG! Isn't there a defenestration clause in the Geneva Conventions?
[05:22:35] <FatPhil> it's *because* it's true for most politicians that it's true for Putin.
[05:24:02] * Runaway1956 plans to make some of this stuff soon - https://www.myrecipes.com
[05:37:26] * FatPhil plans to make some of this: coff.ee
[05:37:43] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[05:37:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5605
[05:45:18] <tedious> FatPhil: Wouldn't you expect zelensky to fall faster than putin just given that kiev is about to be surrounded and probably have its power and food supplies cut off?
[05:45:45] <tedious> Or do you think zelensky already fled like is being rumored?
[05:47:20] <Runaway1956> Haven't heard from this particular nutcase in a long while
[05:47:25] <Runaway1956> https://www.independent.co.uk
[05:47:26] <systemd> ^ 03Televangelist Pat Robertson says Putin is following God’s plan to invade Ukraine
[05:48:04] <Runaway1956> The devil didn't make him do it, God done it!
[05:49:03] <AzumaHazuki> Televangelist Pat Robertson can rent a three-bed in Hell with Trump and Putin and save on living expenses
[05:50:10] <Runaway1956> Oh-oh, that one triggered her!
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[06:42:46] <Runsaway2022> Hi, everybody!
[07:16:48] <AzumaHazuki> what now, ari?
[07:18:45] <FatPhil> .op
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[07:21:07] <FatPhil> Pat Robertson always has been a professional-grade fucknut, I can't say the above surprises me at all.
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[07:30:15] <Runaway2022> Hi Oh Phil of Fat!
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[07:33:00] <chromas> Speaking of televangelists, here's a classic https://www.youtube.com
[07:33:01] <systemd> ^ 03Hoo Ba Ba Kanda
[07:33:49] <FatPhil> He'll come back as Fat something, because he's genieouse
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[07:35:31] <inz> That would be brillant
[07:36:07] <chromas> Or Jenius
[07:36:13] <chromas> perhaps he was rDT all along
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[07:38:55] <Gunaway1956> This banning and kicking takes so much effort. It is like this is all SoylentNews is, any more!
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[07:48:43] <FatPhil> you'll end up banning the whole internet if you take down 0.4% at a time
[07:49:35] <chromas> it's okay, so long as I do absolutely everything except what azuma suggested :D
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[07:50:26] <chromas> fake and ghey
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[08:07:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Astronomers Reveal Incredible Map of 4.4 Million Galaxies - https://sylnt.us
[08:12:55] <chromas> oy, it's Justin Beiber's birthday!
[08:13:18] <chromas> and it's not even Friday!
[08:14:45] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[08:14:46] <systemd> ^ 03Rick Astley Is Gonna Hurt You , Say Goodbye
[08:19:45] <inz> chromas, the international hate Canada day?
[08:21:06] <chromas> Speaking of which, here's a classic
[08:21:09] <chromas> poutine--
[08:21:10] <Bender> karma - poutine: -440
[08:26:29] <FatPhil> which is the closest any of you lot will get to the correct pronunciation of Uncle Vlad's surname.
[08:33:53] <chromas> pyootein
[08:35:16] <inz> pudding
[08:36:23] <FatPhil> pew-pew-pew!
[08:36:37] <FatPhil> That's how I call the shots
[09:33:45] <chromas> so who's getting a steam deck?
[09:35:44] <inz> I prefer my decks Pioneer. *ba-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum...*
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[09:38:48] * chromas scams the chan with unban spam
[09:40:26] <chromas> the steam deck is a moni pc with arch linux, and only has one usb port...at the top, so the dock needs a little pigtail cable to plug into it
[09:40:36] <chromas> s/o/i/
[09:40:36] <SedBot> <chromas> the steam deck is a mini pc with arch linux, and only has one usb port...at the top, so the dock needs a little pigtail cable to plug into it
[09:41:02] <chromas> https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com
[09:41:04] <chromas> lelz
[10:19:03] <inz> there I fixed it
[10:20:27] <FatPhil> wouldn't mind a play with a deck, certainly.
[10:55:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Employees are Facing More Online Surveillance Than Ever - https://sylnt.us
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[13:25:55] <FatPhil> https://pbs.twimg.com
[13:36:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Your iCloud Data is "Phenomenal" to Law Enforcement Agencies - https://sylnt.us - cloud-watching
[14:03:41] <inz> FatPhil, you missed the one with the headphones
[14:11:51] <FatPhil> inz++
[14:11:51] <Bender> karma - inz: 16
[14:12:23] <Bytram> poutine--
[14:12:23] <Bender> karma - poutine: -441
[14:20:32] <janrinok> Russia has just issued a warning that they will soon be attacking specific targets inside Kyev using precision weapons and telling people to get out of the area surrounding those targets.
[14:22:57] <FatPhil> President Zelensky of Ukraine receives a standing ovation in the European Parliament
[14:23:12] <FatPhil> Well thank fuck for that, everything's now officially just peachy.
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[14:33:44] <Runaway1956> "Precision weapons" are just wonderful
[14:34:16] <Runaway1956> When they function perfectly, you can hit the bull's eye of a standard pistol target from the next galaxy
[14:34:38] <Runaway1956> when they function less than perfectly, you might hit the county you were aiming at
[14:34:55] <FatPhil> An Infinite-Star Monkey General once told me "if used in sufficient quantities, all weapons are precision weapons"
[14:34:55] <Runaway1956> When they fail, you can't even be certain that you will hit the earth
[14:35:19] <Runaway1956> There is that too, thank you Phil
[14:37:40] <inz> Last (and only) time I tried to shoot with a sniper rifle, the scope was so off (or I was so bad), my rounds hit the target after ricocheting off the sand wall below them.
[14:45:28] <FatPhil> You are Barnes Wallis, and I claim my five dollars!
[14:46:03] <FatPhil> Fuxtix - BoJo's in Tallinn today
[14:46:08] <FatPhil> Where are my eggs?
[14:54:28] <Bytram> FatPhil: BoJo?
[14:55:05] <inz> Boze the PM?
[14:55:07] <inz> Bozo
[14:55:11] <Bytram> #weather kiev
[14:55:13] <MrPlow> TS211984, Khreshchatyk Street, Клов, Kyiv, Ukraine - Today: "Possible light snow (< 1 in.) in the morning." 37/32F, Humidity: 84%, Precip: 49%, Wind ~9mph. Wed: "Possible drizzle in the afternoon and evening." 39/32F, Humidity: 94%, Precip: 66%, Wind ~7mph. Thu: "Possible drizzle in the morning and afternoon." 39/32F, Humidity: 97%, Precip: 62%, Wind ~5mph.
[14:56:33] <Bytram> #weather boca chica, TX
[14:56:35] <MrPlow> 4911 Boca Chica, Henderson County, TX 75148, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 71/42F, Humidity: 50%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Wed: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 74/43F, Humidity: 54%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~5mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 77/52F, Humidity: 63%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~6mph.
[14:56:51] <inz> "Possible heavy shelling overnight"
[14:57:16] <FatPhil> So, when does turning off the electricity supply to a city full of foreign nationals start to count as an attempt at genocide?
[14:57:28] <Bytram> Periwinkle?
[14:58:46] <inz> FatPhil, five days ago
[14:59:25] <janrinok> It has just been confirmed that Belorussian troops have entered Ukraine, Belarus is now an aggressor and not just an enabler.
[14:59:43] <Bytram> inz++
[14:59:43] <Bender> karma - inz: 17
[15:08:40] <FatPhil> Am I now allowed to go to a cocktail bar and get the barman to line up a whole row of white russians for me to knock off one by one?
[15:10:47] <janrinok> Not only allowed - but encouraged
[15:11:52] <Runaway1956> What will you use to knock off the white russians? You want to be careful of ricochets and collateral damage.
[15:11:59] <Runaway1956> Is Ukraine still there?
[15:12:12] * Runaway1956 starts looking at news feeds
[15:15:10] <Runaway1956> #weather Kiev
[15:15:10] <MrPlow> ts211984, khreshchatyk street, клов, kyiv, ukraine - today: "possible light snow (< 1 in.) in the morning." 37/32f, humidity: 84%, precip: 49%, wind ~9mph. wed: "possible drizzle in the afternoon and evening." 39/32f, humidity: 94%, precip: 66%, wind ~7mph. thu: "possible drizzle in the morning and afternoon." 39/32f, humidity: 97%, precip: 62%, wind ~5mph.
[15:15:32] <Runaway1956> Don't you just hate it when your invasion is drizzled on?
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[15:32:41] <Runaway1956> Call me a sucker: Some fool typing into a chat that Putin is dead
[15:33:01] <Runaway1956> So I wasted time searching for any indication that Moscow had revolted, and killed Putin
[15:33:04] <Runaway1956> no such luck
[15:47:47] <FatPhil> they haven't even started the looting yet, let alone started to miss any of the 7+/-2 meals needed.
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[16:12:52] <Runaway1956> What is mode -j ? Is that "no janrinok"? FatPhil is revolting against the established order!!
[16:16:06] <FatPhil> <fx mode="Eth">No Jews!</fx>
[16:16:16] <Runaway1956> lol
[16:18:15] <janrinok> obviously not
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[16:26:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This 200-Foot-Long Railway to Nowhere Is Actually a Brilliant Shipping Loophole - https://sylnt.us
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[16:56:17] <boru> Thanks, FP. Flooders around?
[16:57:44] <FatPhil> aristwattery this morning
[16:58:19] <boru> Ah. How quaint. I thought flooding lost its shine in the 90s.
[17:02:03] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[17:02:05] <systemd> ^ 03Russia Ukraine War Day 6 LIVE | UK Won't Fight Russia In Ukraine | EU Rallies Behind Ukraine
[17:02:28] <Runaway1956> half balk grey haired old Indian laying out a lot of reality - counter to the west's narrative
[17:02:49] <Runaway1956> s /balk/bald/
[17:03:07] <boru> Proxy wars aren't new. NATO has been conducting them for decades.
[17:03:22] <FatPhil> boru: he was just nymshifting to avoid bans, and it seems +j works on connection address not nick.
[17:03:46] <boru> NATO didn't seem to care in 2014, but now that there's something at stake, they're suddenly rushing to Ukraine's aid.
[17:03:53] <boru> Nor in Georgia in 2008.
[17:04:11] <boru> FP; ah, I see.
[17:04:58] <boru> Anyway, time to get back to work. Thanks for letting me in.
[17:05:15] <FatPhil> A territory or two, they probably wouldn't have done much at all. Whole country, different matter. Polish/etc. border too close.
[17:05:35] <FatPhil> On the whole, I'm ranking NATO as mostly-cowardly.
[17:05:52] <boru> And in this case, provokers.
[17:06:16] <FatPhil> Nah, that's Liz Truss!
[17:06:23] <FatPhil> Naming no names, of course.
[17:06:26] <boru> They've all but surrounded Russia with US bases almost on its borders. Ukraine were warned.
[17:06:42] <boru> And now the chickens have come home to roost.
[17:06:59] <boru> The best they can do now is declare neutrality.
[17:07:08] <boru> Anything else means war.
[17:07:27] <FatPhil> The bases are just the oooold-school cold war. It never ended, we just stopped fussing about it.
[17:07:28] <Runaway1956> They have asked to be fast tracked into EU membership instead
[17:07:41] <boru> Indeed. What a farce.
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[17:08:23] <FatPhil> I was amazed at the level of US presence in Seoul. I thought the Korean war was over!?!? Apparently nothing's ever over.
[17:09:05] <boru> Either way, makes for a good distraction now that covid is magically over and all of that evidence of conspiracy that has leaked can be forgotten, thank goodness. Pay no attention to Klaus Schwab behind the curtain.
[17:09:22] <boru> Russia is bad! Look over there!
[17:10:09] <boru> In some respects, I think Putin, much like Biden, is glad of the distraction, to cover up the paragon of abjectly poor leadership over the last 2-5 years.
[17:10:52] <boru> Too bad small countries get whalloped in the process.
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[17:11:27] <boru> Anyway, time to really go and do some work now.
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[17:24:26] <tedious> boru++
[17:24:26] <Bender> karma - boru: 75
[17:25:03] <tedious> I think you've gotten to the truth of the situation.
[17:30:47] <FatPhil> g/f mentioned one theory that Putin wants to prove himself great before he croaks, so needs to do something big, for the Empire!
[17:32:54] <FatPhil> I'm less sure, I'm tempted to say it's more likely he's started to suffer some cognitive issue. Of course, the consequence of my theory could be the other theory, but I think ultimate causes are more useful than proximal ones.
[17:33:56] <FatPhil> I'm not saying it's his Texas Clocktower moment, but maybe there's something in common ...
[17:34:06] <Runaway1956> One of the oddest things
[17:34:29] <Runaway1956> US/UK/EU and their media claim that the invasion is totally unprovoked
[17:34:51] <Runaway1956> but India media can recite all of Russia's demands over the past decade and more
[17:35:36] <FatPhil> Indian media's probably under Modi's thumb, and Modi's very pally with Vlad presently.
[17:36:01] <FatPhil> They've just signed some huge NG deals, IIRC.
[17:36:08] <Runaway1956> "OK, Ukraine, you don't have to be part of our private club if you don't want, just promise that you won't join that other club across the street."
[17:36:22] <FatPhil> The NGRupee might replace the Petrodollar.
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[17:40:35] <boru> To be fair, that's been coming with BRIC for a long time.
[17:40:43] <boru> An alternative to SWIFT.
[17:40:53] <tedious> What do you guys know about puting being one of klaus schwab's young global leaders?
[17:40:58] <boru> Central banks need a slap.
[17:41:14] <boru> Indeed.
[17:41:20] <tedious> Oops puting?
[17:41:28] <tedious> Putin is done puting up with ---nevermind that joke isn't going anywhere. :)
[17:41:47] <boru> It should be illegal for politicians to be associated with the WEF.
[17:42:01] <boru> i.e. sitting on any of its committees.
[17:42:05] <tedious> But is he one boru?
[17:42:39] <boru> Based on my research, and in my very humble opinion, not any more.
[17:42:54] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[17:42:56] <systemd> ^ 03Russia Ukraine War Day 6 LIVE | UK Won't Fight Russia In Ukraine | EU Rallies Behind Ukraine
[17:43:05] <Runaway1956> I was starting to like that channel but
[17:43:14] <boru> But who knows. Perhaps this is all a part of WEF's "great reset".
[17:43:18] <Runaway1956> Armab Goose Swami is an obnoxious shit
[17:43:20] <tedious> boru: But not anymore?
[17:43:34] <boru> I'd say no, based on what I've seen over the last decade.
[17:43:39] <boru> But I could be wrong.
[17:43:39] <tedious> Is it like the mafia where you never get out alive?
[17:43:42] <Runaway1956> He does little more than badger people whose viewpoints he doesn't like
[17:44:27] <boru> Who knows. I can only speculate on his association with Schwab and the WEF.
[17:44:52] <boru> That organisation is, however, something very sinister, in my opinion.
[17:45:49] <boru> IMF, BIS US federal reserve and the WEF have zero accountability or transparency.
[17:45:54] <tedious> Schwab was way too excited about the opportunities to exploit covid and get in bed with big pharma to think there's no connection.
[17:46:16] <Runaway1956> Central banks have always been the ultimate evil
[17:46:27] <tedious> But all I know about putin's involvement is a mention in some tiny video clip which could be a deep fake or all I know.
[17:46:28] <boru> Well, there does seem to be a concerted effort to remove that interview where he talks about having infiltrated several governments internationally.
[17:46:29] <Runaway1956> Bank of England, for instance, funded both sides of many wars
[17:46:40] <boru> Indeed.
[17:47:14] <boru> I'd highly recommend reading A History of Central Banking by Goodson.
[17:47:23] <boru> The bank of england has so much blood on its hands.
[17:47:25] <tedious> Runaway1956: I think everybody is coming to realize that banks are inherently full of bad people.
[17:47:42] <tedious> Either by design or eventually over time by attracting them.
[17:47:58] <Runaway1956> It's normal, even OK that bad people work in banks - it's the whole concept of central banks that is wrong
[17:47:58] <boru> Semi-AFK for a bit, again.
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[17:58:42] <tedious> Runaway1956: That indian news stream is like a video version of a fight on reddit with everybody calling each other names.
[18:03:59] <tedious> They're showing a loop of a short video that supposedly shows kyiv's tv tower being hit with a missile.
[18:05:32] <tedious> But the tower doesn't fall down and the explosion looks like a typical holywood fireball.
[18:06:09] <tedious> And thanks to mythbusters we know that the way they make those is a very small amount of explosives igniting a very large amount of petrol.
[18:07:49] <tedious> So it's just burning fuel at a fairly low temperature making a lot of smoke not exploding explosives making a lot of damage.
[18:19:49] <Runaway1956> Yeah, fuel-air bombs are more effective against personnel than against most infrastructure
[18:20:23] <Runaway1956> The explosion may or may not have destroyed coaxial cable and connectors, I wouldn't bet either way
[18:21:17] <tedious> Do modern militaries usually carry around mega sized molotov cocktails for scorching tv towers?
[18:22:07] <tedious> I guess that would work if you only wanted to damage it enough to interrupt the broadcast and then post a guard around it to keep technicians from replacing the cables.
[18:22:26] <tedious> But if you're going to do that why not just kick in the door and flip the power switch?
[18:23:11] <tedious> Wouldn't that make more sense if you wanted to turn the station back on later?
[18:25:34] <tedious> It's just so frustrating that we have to suspect almost every bit of information coming out of this conflict.
[18:27:06] <Runaway1956> It is entirely possible that a commander called in a fire mission, and the artillery guys misunderstood, loaded the wron munition before firing
[18:27:28] <Runaway1956> Communications always suck in a combat environment
[18:28:08] <tedious> Wow good point that never even occurred to me.
[18:28:19] <FatPhil> Our TV tower is one of the iconic moments of the Estonian resistance against Russian aggression. They never took the tower...
[18:29:23] <Runaway1956> David Drake wrote a Science Fiction story, commander called in a mission, told the redlegs to fire everything they have
[18:29:53] <Runaway1956> Redlegs did exactly that - and it included a MIRVd tank killer, LOL
[18:30:17] <Runaway1956> the heroes in the story were riding tanks and battle cars, the enemy had no such hardware
[18:36:34] <tedious> Oops smart weapons being a little too smart for their own good?
[18:38:49] <Runaway1956> The thing about David Drake is, despite writing fiction, he bases all of his stories on historical events, as well as personal experience in the Army
[18:43:00] <tedious> Never heard of him but I'll take that as a recommendation.
[18:43:20] <tedious> Good writers usually know what they're writing about.
[18:47:21] <tedious> Here's an interesting moment in a live stream from yesterday where it looks like a russian plane flew through restricted air space so it might be a diplomatic mission we haven't heard about yet. https://youtube.com
[18:47:22] <systemd> ^ 03YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[18:48:54] <tedious> It's about 2 hours and 10 minutes in when the streamer starts clicking on planes and checks the flight path.
[18:49:08] <tedious> So do we have a hopeful de-escalation?
[18:50:41] <tedious> Then he finds a transport plane going from the uk to ukraine.
[19:06:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mom Pays Son $1800 to Stay Off Social Media - https://sylnt.us - one-less-person-mindwarped-by-social-media?
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[19:36:51] <tedious> I just realized that in all the stories about how many refugees are going to this country and that country not a single report has mentioned how many are going to russia.
[19:37:31] <tedious> Are we supposed to believe that there's nobody anywhere in the country who speaks russian and would feel safer in russia than in poland or moldova?
[19:37:52] <Runaway1956> I remember that Russia evacuated thousands of civilians before the attack started, can't remember how high those numbers were
[19:38:09] <tedious> I'm getting more and more annoyed at being lied to and propagandized.
[19:39:04] <tedious> Runaway1956: Just for comparison I'm looking at bbc.com and aljazeera and they both have maps with big arrows showing 100% of all the refugees going to nato countries.
[19:39:52] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I'm seeing similar maps - everything going west, a little bit south, claiming in excess of 600,000 refugees at the latest
[19:40:20] <tedious> 660,000 now.
[19:41:32] <tedious> Al jazeera reports that ukraine's ministry of health claimed 352 casualties and the un's observers claimed 102.
[19:41:33] <Runaway1956> That's why everyone has to stand in line at the border, they need an accurate number of refugees
[19:41:46] <tedious> So of course in their infographic they show the larger number.
[19:42:48] <Runaway1956> If they were doing the most humanitarian effort thing, buses would roll into Ukraine, load up refugees on the roadside, and drive straight to interior cities, where refugees could be processed
[19:43:32] <Runaway1956> said buses would load up the elderly, crippled, and injured first
[19:43:36] <tedious> They obviously care more about photo ops than helping neighbors.
[19:45:41] <Runaway1956> as for casualtied - if 352 is accurate, that's amazingly low
[19:47:41] <tedious> Yes after a week of fighting and bombs missing targets I'm shocked and grateful it's not 10 times that much.
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[19:55:35] <Runaway1956> Imagine that - rt.com still loads for me!
[19:56:50] <FatPhil> they know you like their content
[19:58:40] <sqrlgrrl> what is the obsession with rt.com on this server
[19:58:57] <Runaway1956> Oh, give it a break, squirelly
[19:59:14] <Runaway1956> I have 8 different live feeds loaded on my computer
[19:59:19] <Runaway1956> I just now loaded RT
[19:59:27] <tedious> It's a source of information to compare with the other sources.
[19:59:33] <Runaway1956> we were told yesterday that RT was going to be shut down around the world
[19:59:37] <Runaway1956> but I can still load it
[19:59:37] <FatPhil> some people like listening to propaganda, it's well written, and comforting.
[19:59:56] <sqrlgrrl> Runaway1956: give what a break? i'd honestly like to know
[20:00:24] <Runaway1956> RT is an alternative viewpoint, one which you should take into account if you want to understand what's going on
[20:00:30] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: information? lol
[20:00:34] <FatPhil> it's not a viewpoint
[20:00:40] <FatPhil> it's state propaganda
[20:00:59] <boru> What mainstream media isn't...
[20:01:17] <Runaway1956> Well, yes, it is state propaganda - much like CNN, or BBC, or any of the others
[20:01:54] <sqrlgrrl> Runaway1956: lol right
[20:02:31] <Runaway1956> You may remain in your customized echo chamber that Google has built for you, I have no problem with that.
[20:02:46] <sqrlgrrl> ok i guess rt.com is good for knowing what narrative putin is pushing
[20:02:55] <boru> Hasn't google removed RT from their search engine results now?
[20:03:21] <Runaway1956> I couldn't say, I don't use Google search
[20:03:34] <boru> I was moreso making a point about propaganda.
[20:03:51] <sqrlgrrl> 'they all do it' is lame whataboutism
[20:04:03] <sqrlgrrl> does cnn have biases? sure. are they nearly as bad as rt.com? fuck no.
[20:04:10] <Runaway1956> lemme ask you a serous question then squirrel
[20:04:12] * boru guffaws.
[20:04:22] <sqrlgrrl> boru: ok ivan
[20:04:27] <boru> Talk about brainwashed.
[20:04:37] <Runaway1956> are we to just forget, and ignore, all the shelling that has been going on since 2014 in Donbass?
[20:04:44] <sqrlgrrl> boru: ok ivan
[20:04:47] <tedious> Wasn't cnn the news outlet that used to film iraq war reporters on a sound stage in the basement of one of their offices?
[20:04:54] <boru> Trite and banal.
[20:04:59] <Runaway1956> Are seriously supposed to pretend that Ukraine has done nothing wrong, at all?
[20:05:05] <tedious> I don't think even rt.com has stooped that low.
[20:05:08] <boru> "Everyone who disagrees with me is Russian!"
[20:05:15] <sqrlgrrl> boru: yes, your whataboutism is trite and banal. acceptance is an important stage.
[20:05:54] <boru> Your smallmindedness is disappointing. I should have known better than to engage in conversation with you.
[20:06:21] <Runaway1956> I realize that life is so much easier when you can dehumanize your opponents
[20:06:33] <sqrlgrrl> boru: right. because lumping in cnn with putin's personal propaganda machine is sensible.
[20:06:54] <tedious> sqrlgrrl: Did you see my last question?
[20:07:07] <tedious> Are you familiar with that fiasco?
[20:07:12] <sqrlgrrl> Runaway1956: there's nothing wrong with your average russian on the street.
[20:07:17] <FatPhil> boru: most mainstream media choses what it wants to propagate, state media doesn't have that choice.
[20:07:36] <FatPhil> how else do you imagine you have fox and msnbc coexisting?
[20:07:39] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: again, whataboutism.
[20:07:42] <boru> If you think CNN doesn't pump out propaganda 24/7, you are naive. Further discussion is a waste of my time.
[20:07:51] <Runaway1956> correction FatPhil: most mainstream media follows the money, they don't hold real convictions
[20:08:08] <boru> Naive and ignorant.
[20:08:30] <tedious> sqrlgrrl: You're saying that a literal fake news outlet is much better than one that has no such track record?
[20:08:31] <boru> FP; two sides of the same coin, afaic.
[20:08:33] <sqrlgrrl> if your immediate response to 'rt.com is putin media' is 'but cnn reporters on a soundstage!' you have a serious thinking issue.
[20:08:36] <FatPhil> you have it back to front. media is trying to influence what's in government.
[20:08:46] <AzumaHazuki> ironically, CNN is center-right propaganda. it is a triumph of...er...meta-propaganda? that people have convinced themselves CNN is leftist
[20:09:16] <tedious> I think my serious thinking issue is that I don't stop doing it the moment I realize that a given news source is confirming my biases.
[20:09:40] <FatPhil> CNN's fully corporatist (so right), but likes to decorate itself with enough trappings of not being that that people think it isn't just that. And it works.
[20:09:48] <tedious> I don't trust any of them by default but I'm also not about to give cnn a pass after learning exactly how dishonest they are.
[20:09:59] <sqrlgrrl> lol @ assuming i watch and trust cnn
[20:10:10] <FatPhil> CNN's pretty much pure garbage.
[20:10:14] <tedious> You just said it was much better than rt.com.
[20:10:14] <boru> You should read up on Operation Mockingbird.
[20:10:30] <boru> "Surely goverments can't be doing that!"
[20:10:48] <Runaway1956> Every news media spins it's own propaganda, all of them
[20:10:49] <tedious> Honestly out of the regulars here you're appearing to me to be the least well informed or reasonable.
[20:11:08] <Runaway1956> all we can do is pick and choose among the obvious lies, the less obvious lies, and the half truths
[20:11:21] <tedious> That's unfortunate because I want new people to come here and contribute and raise the overall quality of discussion.
[20:11:38] <sqrlgrrl> you're assuming quite a bit about me, much of it wrong.
[20:11:57] <sqrlgrrl> look, if you can't admit rt.com is lying garbage pushed by putin, that's your problem.
[20:12:02] <FatPhil> tedious: no I did not. You're failing to understand simple English.
[20:12:06] <tedious> Runaway1956: But we can also compare the information from different sources and use the differences to figure out what's true.
[20:12:22] <Runaway1956> We have admitted that RT is a propagana outlet for Russia
[20:12:31] <sqrlgrrl> if you can't admit that and instead must lurch from 'cnn is bad!' to 'operation mockingbird!' to somehow dilute the fact that rt.com is lying garbage pushed by putin, that's your problem.
[20:12:32] <tedious> FatPhil: Are you sqrlgrrl's sock puppet master? :)
[20:12:32] <Cascade> Dork fight!
[20:12:45] <Runaway1956> We read the propaganda, and compare it to all the other propaganda outlets
[20:12:48] <tedious> I was taking to her.
[20:12:54] <sqrlgrrl> i'm happy to discuss cnn and their issues. but first, how about we all admit rt.com isn't worth the toilet paper it's not printed on.
[20:13:08] <boru> As a wise person once said: be liberal in what you read, and conservative in what you write. IMHO, other people deciding what I can and can't read is censorship, no matter what colour you paint it.
[20:13:09] <tedious> Sorry I should have put a nick at the front of each line to make things less confusing.
[20:13:44] <sqrlgrrl> lol nobody decided what you can and can't read, what idiocy.
[20:13:49] <tedious> sqrlgrrl: You obviously don't even look at rt.com or you'd realize they do some good reporting on topics outside of russia.
[20:14:09] <Runaway1956> sqrlgrrl, are you ready to admit that US/UK/EU propaganda is just that?
[20:14:23] <Runaway1956> None of them are telling us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth
[20:14:33] <boru> Ah, your ignorance is showing again. You live in a fantasy world where censorship doesn't exist because sources don't omit whatever drivel you believe.
[20:14:37] <tedious> For example I know that bitcoin enthusiasts value rt.com's reporting even though russia has been hostile to bitcoin in the past.
[20:14:45] <FatPhil> tedious: are you going to limit yourself to whataboutism, straw man, and ad hominem, or actually contribute anything sensible yourself?
[20:14:46] <Cascade> The discussion began as RT being supposedly banned
[20:15:03] <boru> What a blithering idiot.
[20:15:25] <sqrlgrrl> Runaway1956: most - not all - western media is profit driven. obviously this means you have to consume it through a lens of skepticism. the point i'm making is that rt.com much worse, which is obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
[20:15:42] <tedious> FatPhil: What are you attacking me for?
[20:15:55] * Runaway1956 doesn't usually rub his brain cells together
[20:16:13] <FatPhil> tedious: I'm highligting the fallacies that you are flinging around in order for you to raise your standards.
[20:16:29] <tedious> What fallacies?
[20:16:30] <FatPhil> *after* you flung a completely unfounded accusation at me
[20:16:39] <tedious> I wasn't even speaking to you!
[20:17:00] <Cascade> The puppet master comment.
[20:17:15] <FatPhil> then address the person you are addressing unambiguously. Have you not noticed the non-linearity of time on IRC?
[20:17:15] <sqrlgrrl> the true value of rt.com is to become informed about the propaganda being pushed on ordinary russians, who are also victims here.
[20:17:37] <boru> Pft, you've never had a problem with me omitting nicks most of the time, FP!
[20:17:47] <tedious> FatPhil: I said absolutely nothing to you in the past 2.5 hours.
[20:17:48] <Cascade> They probably don't drink their own propaganda exports. Just like Aussies don't drink Fosters.
[20:17:52] <tedious> I just checked.
[20:18:14] <Runaway1956> Fosters is a crime against humanity, when do we invade Oz?
[20:18:22] <boru> I don't think anyone drinks Fosters. Let's be honest.
[20:18:24] <FatPhil> tedious: you are one stupid idiot: 22:12 < tedious> FatPhil: Are you sqrlgrrl's sock puppet master? :)
[20:18:30] <FatPhil> that was 6 minutes ago
[20:18:38] <tedious> Ok besides that after you jumped on me.
[20:18:50] <tedious> Obviously I'm talking to you now.
[20:22:18] <sqrlgrrl> anyway. russians are generally fine. the russian government, not so much. rt.com is russian government. believe it at your own peril.
[20:22:37] <Runaway1956> Well, Sleepy Joe is going to flap his gums in a few hours, and solve all of our problems
[20:23:19] <sqrlgrrl> so far he's doing an excellent job with the ukraine dilemma.
[20:23:36] <tedious> sqrlgrrl: You insult the people here by assuming that noone but you is smart enough to think for themselves.
[20:24:00] <AzumaHazuki> there are definitely some people here who can't, or possibly won't
[20:24:14] <boru> Joe Biden should be in a home. The guy has senile demetia.
[20:24:21] <tedious> That's the kind of thing I expect to hear from people of certain ideological persuasions who are themselves not very intelligent.
[20:24:32] <Runaway1956> ROFL @ Sleepy Joe doing anything (except sleeping) in an excellent manner
[20:24:40] <AzumaHazuki> check your expectations, then
[20:24:57] <boru> He's very good at forgetting as well.
[20:24:57] <AzumaHazuki> and beware the fallacy of the golden mean: the truth does not always lie in between two opposing viewpoints
[20:24:59] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: you seem fond of telling me what i think and believe.
[20:25:04] <tedious> AzumaHazuki: Perhaps but it's not very hard to tell the difference by simply listening.
[20:25:21] <tedious> sqrlgrrl: I am judging you by your behavior.
[20:25:33] <tedious> If you don't like what I see you can change it.
[20:25:35] <AzumaHazuki> the long and short of it is, this has been a long time coming and "the West" as a whole let this happen by succumbing to greed and corruption
[20:26:10] <AzumaHazuki> there is no good way out of this. we may very well be looking at the end of civilization or worse. and we areunquestionably looking at the end of the geopolitical paradigm we've seen since the late 80s
[20:26:19] <tedious> AzumaHazuki: I would go so far as to accuse both sides of making it happen probably intentionally.
[20:26:34] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: it doesn't take a genius to recognize that several people here are obsessed with rt.com, and not in a good way.
[20:26:47] <tedious> But I sure do want to find a way to keep the world from ending.
[20:26:56] <AzumaHazuki> intentionally, no. but letting international companies get so powerful as to be essentially a parallel government with no loyalty to their home countries lead to this
[20:27:22] <AzumaHazuki> this is something Hallow and his kind don't get: power is what makes de facto government, private or public
[20:27:32] <AzumaHazuki> let corporations get to the point where they buy laws, and they ARE the government
[20:27:40] <tedious> It would suck if we all ended up dying because a small group of jerks escalated their stupidity until they destroyed humanity.
[20:28:00] <AzumaHazuki> i have no fear of death, so long as the dying is quick. i'm tired of this stupidity
[20:28:36] <tedious> I agree and I wish we had a way of preventing them from becoming so powerful that didn't involve letting other jerks have even more power.
[20:29:14] <AzumaHazuki> no one seems to want to look the truth in the eyes: we are about to see most of the world's population die, in some way or another
[20:29:27] <tedious> sqrlgrrl: If you think reading some news articles and comparing them to other sites is obsession I don't think I can help you fix your own biases.
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[20:30:51] <sqrlgrrl> if only the west hadn't ordered and roced the russian military to attack ukraine. :(
[20:30:54] <sqrlgrrl> damn you, west. damn you!
[20:31:01] <tedious> In my experience the biggest danger that rt.com poses is that they are not prevented from pointing out the western emperors who have no clothes on.
[20:31:32] <tedious> It's not a problem that they don't point out what putin is wearing because I don't expect them to and I can get that information elsewhere.
[20:32:38] <tedious> If rt's truth telling bothers somebody that just indicates to me that they don't like hearing the truth.
[20:32:54] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: there are better sources than rt.com to discover what clothes western emperors are and aren't wearing.
[20:33:19] <tedious> Then why aren't you pointing to them?
[20:33:32] <sqrlgrrl> if you think you're going to back me into a corner trying to defend western military adventures and related, i'm not.
[20:33:51] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: because it's whataboutism. ffs, i already said that.
[20:33:55] <tedious> Or at the very least show me proof that rt.com is doing the same kinds of news faking that cost cnn its credibility.
[20:34:16] <boru> "CNN said so!"
[20:34:20] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: you're a lost cause, ivan. begone, foul stench.
[20:34:20] <tedious> I'm sorry but using a made up word doesn't convince me of very much.
[20:34:59] <tedious> Whataboutism is not a sudoers password for rehabilitating a known bunch of liars.
[20:35:18] <tedious> Hmm.
[20:35:23] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: move to russian. work for putin. you won't be missed.
[20:35:27] <tedious> Everybody I don't like is a russian bot?
[20:35:28] <sqrlgrrl> *russia
[20:35:44] <sqrlgrrl> tedious: you're either an ivan or a useful idiot.
[20:35:49] <AzumaHazuki> i don't think he's either, sqrlgrrl
[20:35:59] <tedious> Very well then.
[20:36:06] <AzumaHazuki> i do think he's kind of a pretentious "butbutbut i'm superior because BOTH SIDES!"
[20:36:27] <sqrlgrrl> yeah. it's common for people to distract by saying 'but look over there!!'
[20:37:03] <tedious> AzumaHazuki: If you can find a single instance of me both-sides-ing for big pharma I'll sell everything I own and mail you the check.
[20:37:20] <AzumaHazuki> the bigger problem here is that the worlds' societies are not run by or for the benefit of most of their people. there's a permanent gaping disconnect between, for example, the Kremlin and the average russian on the street
[20:37:26] <sqrlgrrl> the world: 'putin is evil. what putin is doing is evil. innocent people are dying. a sovereign country is being invaded with plans to install a puppet government.' tedious: 'but western emperors with no clothes!!'
[20:37:27] <AzumaHazuki> the younger ones especially do NOT want this war
[20:37:57] <sqrlgrrl> AzumaHazuki hit the nail right on the head.
[20:38:18] <tedious> This whole discussion has turned into a pile of reddit monkeys flinging shit at each other and I'm disappointed to see that I've become one of them by contact alone.
[20:38:22] <sqrlgrrl> the average russian on the street is generally fine. wants to live life. be comfortable. is happy with russia's current borders. is at peace with ukraine exists.
[20:38:25] <sqrlgrrl> *existing
[20:39:52] <AzumaHazuki> right. again, the issue is basically all countries' governments becomng utterly disconnected from their people
[20:40:10] <sqrlgrrl> i agree.
[20:40:11] <AzumaHazuki> this can't continue. we have resource and climate crises to deal with and we're 30 years behind as it is.
[20:40:27] <AzumaHazuki> at this point i really think more than half the human race is going to die in the next 10 years
[20:40:56] <sqrlgrrl> i think it'll take longer than that, but terrible times are coming.
[20:42:52] <AzumaHazuki> i have not, by any means, had the worst life in the world. but it was bad enough that i have no interest in struggling to continue it in the face of helpless odds
[20:43:20] <AzumaHazuki> when things go really, really bad here, when the supply lines break down and people are killing one another for a loaf of bread, i am going out on my own terms
[20:43:33] <sqrlgrrl> AzumaHazuki: i've given up. the world is going to burn, and i can't stop it.
[20:43:38] <AzumaHazuki> precisely
[20:44:00] <AzumaHazuki> i'll survive as long as i can until we hit peak bullshit, and then i'm out
[20:44:19] <AzumaHazuki> even during supposedly good times this world took everything away from me over and over and over again, not that there was that much to take
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[20:55:45] * Runaway1956 returns to watching RT
[20:56:26] * Runaway1956 is glad he doesn't like vodka
[20:56:38] <Cascade> What do you put in your root beer then?
[20:56:45] <Runaway1956> no one is threatening the Scotch supplies
[20:57:04] <Runaway1956> tequila is plentiful
[20:59:59] <Cascade> Drink without rythm and you won't attract the worm.
[21:02:42] <Runaway1956> White boys can't dance, I got no rhythm
[21:08:21] <Cascade> Sounds like a scam. Is Woody Harrelson benched at a nearby danceoff?
[21:10:10] <FatPhil> https://i.imgur.com
[21:12:00] <Cascade> It seems like he's supposed to be wrong in that comic, but he never said he agreed with Putin's statement.
[21:12:24] <sqrlgrrl> +100 points for the dune reference :)
[21:13:56] <Cascade> Also, and more important than any recent discussion here, why is it that cartoon characters are drawn pointing upward when they think they're saying something important?
[21:15:56] <FatPhil> almost universal symbol of "aha!"
[21:18:36] <Cascade> I can't think of any time I've ever seen someone do that in real life, but okay.
[21:18:57] <Cascade> Also, guys bouncing up and down on their toes in movies to show that their shaking off the last few drops. Nobody does that.
[21:20:00] <FatPhil> it's part interruption
[21:20:27] <Runaway1956> we need to address the really important things in life guys
[21:20:37] <Runaway1956> from ebay: Introducing Authenticity Guarantee for luxury men's bags
[21:20:55] <Runaway1956> Why do men suddenly need luxury bags?
[21:21:09] <Runaway1956> Are we so emasculated that we carry purses now?
[21:21:30] <Runaway1956> What do guys keep in their luxury bags?
[21:21:35] <tedious> I wish men carrying purses was a common thing. :)
[21:21:37] <FatPhil> I just did a startpage image search for "aha", and if you remove the abstract graphics and the norwegian 80s band, there are 3 images left, all of which have a finger pointing up. I think 2 had (presumably eureka) lightbulbs too.
[21:21:38] <Runaway1956> Hygiene products?
[21:22:31] <tedious> Only one small bottle of hand sanitizer but it would be nice to always have a bunch of other useful things with me when I'm out and about.
[21:23:02] <Cascade> Well, I have seen more than one person have a lightbulb spontaneously appear overhead.
[21:23:02] <Runaway1956> If it don't fit in a pocket, then I throw it in the back seat of the SUV
[21:23:03] <tedious> I think I've had half a dozen times in the past month where I wished I had a tape measure with me.
[21:25:16] <FatPhil> does your hand span change that much over time? 22cm, both hands, bosh! For much smaller distances, I have an exactly-scaled image of a ruler on my phone.
[21:25:38] <tedious> Now that is a brilliant idea. :)
[21:25:47] <sqrlgrrl> there's nothing emasculating about men carrying messenger bags and the like. it's certainly more attractive than cargo pants.
[21:26:01] <FatPhil> I'll pass the praise onto the g/f, she invented it.
[21:27:32] <tedious> It wouldn't have worked very well when I wanted to take some measurements for insulation but I'm going to do it anyway. :)
[21:27:41] <sqrlgrrl> FatPhil: she's a keeper. :)
[21:28:52] <Runaway1956> sqrlgrrl - attractive men don't wear cargo pants
[21:29:25] <FatPhil> sqrlgrrl: I've actually lost count. 23 years? 24? We don't really do anniversaries.
[21:29:28] <sqrlgrrl> i beg to differ.
[21:30:02] <Runaway1956> Yes, you're different. But, that's not a crime.
[21:30:34] <FatPhil> quite understandable that you might have different perspectives.
[21:31:04] <FatPhil> I'm guessing you're looking for different things in men ;-)
[21:31:38] <Runaway1956> Speaking of things people wear
[21:31:45] <Cascade> My favorite feature of social media is the title truncation: "Food Deserts: Soylent’s Demir Vangelov On How They Are Helping To Address The Problem of People..."
[21:32:00] <Runaway1956> I'm seeing tons of Ukrainians with knit hats, and two pompoms sewn on top of them
[21:32:09] <sqrlgrrl> Runaway1956: ok boomer
[21:32:12] <Runaway1956> not all of them are children
[21:33:18] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[21:33:20] <systemd> ^ 03Russia invades Ukraine LIVE | DW News livestream | Headline news from around the world
[21:34:51] <Runaway1956> Wut, no outrage about watching German propaganda?
[21:35:32] <sqrlgrrl> as my ancestry is german i may be required by law to approve.
[21:35:57] <FatPhil> When I'm travelling, DW is often the news channel I will select to keep up to date with things.
[21:36:01] <Runaway1956> Can't you trade your ancestry in, upgrade it to Polish?
[21:37:02] <tedious> Cascade: Now I'm scared of soylent. :)
[21:37:33] <Runaway1956> Fear not, for Soylent is with you.
[21:37:36] <tedious> Runaway1956: Anything interesting on that stream?
[21:37:55] <Runaway1956> not at the moment, I just switched over to it for a few moments
[21:38:08] <Runaway1956> and saw another three people with pompoms on their heads
[21:38:38] <Runaway1956> I guess it's kinda cute on the kids, but adults just look funny as hell
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[21:39:24] <Runaway1956> Saw a Nigerian student yesterday, big tall black guy, wearing pink pompoms
[21:39:34] <Runaway1956> he really looked funny
[21:40:05] <Cascade> [45 minutes of clapping]
[21:40:33] <Runaway1956> [45 minutes of mutual masturbation]
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[21:41:31] <sqrlgrrl> pink was not always considered a girl color. it's just a weird cultural artifact.
[21:41:46] <sqrlgrrl> Runaway1956, you are so impressively boomery.
[21:42:06] * Runaway1956 notes that sqrlgrrl has joined his fan club
[21:42:19] <Runaway1956> I am the man that many people wish they could be.
[21:43:22] <sqrlgrrl> i appreciate your honesty
[21:43:26] <Runaway1956> feminine and masculine colors aside - you see nothing funny about a pair of huge pink ears sticking up over a big man's head?
[21:44:03] <sqrlgrrl> that would signal 'warning: attention whore' in me.
[21:58:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - James Webb Telescope Could be Adapted to Search for Alien Pollutants - https://sylnt.us
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[22:32:57] <Runaway1956> The Russkies have started nuking - - - - Paraquay!
[22:33:02] <Runaway1956> https://www.theguardian.com
[22:33:03] <systemd> ^ 03Massive ash cloud from wildfires engulfs southern Paraguay – video
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[22:39:22] <tedious> https://twitter.com
[22:40:08] <tedious> Oops https://twitter.com
[22:40:19] <tedious> Is zuckerberg just not even pretending he isn't a sith lord anymore?
[22:40:57] <Runaway1956> Freedom is oppression
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[22:42:24] <Runaway1956> Metamates? Saw that in the grocery yesterday, in the supersweetened breakfast cereals section.
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[22:49:58] <tedious> Put the company first and yourself last.