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[00:17:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Toshiba: 26TB HDDs Due Within a Year, 40TB HDDs in Five Years - https://sylnt.us - how-long-to-copy-a-disk?
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[00:59:49] <SoyCow0723> Fuck, was too late to post in the NPR discussion
[01:00:15] <SoyCow0723> Even Seth MacFarlane made fun of how obnoxious NPR was, and that faggot makes up his face like a fucking marionette.
[01:00:38] <SoyCow0723> NPR is THE news outlet for the American International Jew.
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[01:10:25] <SoyCow0723> How many Europeeans are ready to get their shit pushed in by Mother Russia?
[01:11:47] <SoyCow0723> I mean, Nord Stream 2 was certainly a dumb as shit decision. Oh no! Russia evil! But we'll give them our energy independence while International Jews dismantle our power plants...for climate change!
[01:12:30] <SoyCow0723> I'd be happy for Europe to have a real army, but not until Globohomo goes away.
[01:12:41] <SoyCow0723> Soldiers don't want to fight for Globohomo in these modern times.
[01:13:17] <SoyCow0723> Shit, if I were in Western Europe, I'd welcome the Russkies with open arms. They aren't trying to muzzle and vaccinate my kids, then convince them to chop their dicks off for climate change.
[01:14:07] <SoyCow0723> (I don't welcome Russian Jews, though, they can go to EIN OFEN.)
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[02:44:20] <t3> heh, imgur doesn't load at all without js and cookies on a graphical browser, but with links, no problem
[02:45:18] <t3> well, I suppose I do have cookies enabled in links
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[04:56:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Replacing Huawei Gear Across the US Could be Much Higher Than Expected - https://sylnt.us - but-CIA-and-NSA-are-OK
[06:09:48] <kyonko> links in frame buffer?
[06:09:56] <kyonko> that is some serious black magic
[06:10:23] <progo> that's a racist term
[06:10:46] <kyonko> the ying yang has black in it
[06:10:58] <inz> Is that title missing "The Cost of"
[06:11:14] <progo> there used to be a good blog called "Everything is problematic"
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[06:13:48] <janrinok> inz, thanks, I've changed the title, it will filter through over the next few minutes.
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[06:27:54] <janrinok> I'm getting '500 Internal Server Error' messages - anybody else seeing this?
[06:28:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Cost of Replacing Huawei Gear Across the US Could be More Than Expected - https://sylnt.us - but-CIA-and-NSA-are-OK
[06:31:41] <janrinok> site has gone dark
[06:32:27] <AzumaHazuki> internal server error
[06:32:37] <janrinok> yep ^
[06:33:03] <janrinok> Hi Az - thanks for the info, it seems like it is only you and I for the moment!
[06:33:50] <progo> no it's dead for everyone
[06:33:54] <progo> I just didn't have anything to add
[06:34:07] <janrinok> lol thx
[06:34:19] <progo> doesn't matter if you're logged in or not
[06:34:27] <janrinok> Back to the 90s - just IRC then
[06:34:36] <inz> IRC is all you need.
[06:35:04] * janrinok wonders if that was actually the late 80s...
[06:35:35] <inz> dev is dead too
[06:35:46] <janrinok> thx
[06:35:48] <AzumaHazuki> soooo, any idea what the blyat happened?
[06:36:00] <AzumaHazuki> ...did the logs fill up the disk again :v
[06:36:16] <janrinok> nope. I haven't got access to servers and/or hardware
[06:36:34] <progo> it's running on a repurposed car console computer. npr is broadcasting FM radio with cover art with no filenames. and that causes a complete DOS
[06:36:36] <AzumaHazuki> well pizdec
[06:36:41] <kyonko> the logs should go in a loop
[06:36:49] <kyonko> and have heuristics analyze them before it does
[06:37:06] <progo> *no filename extension
[06:37:15] <kyonko> its unix progo
[06:37:17] <kyonko> and thats good
[06:37:23] <kyonko> file
[06:37:42] <progo> if you have rss, see the soylent story from 16:17 new york time today
[06:37:48] <inz> kyonko, I just let my logs go to /dev/null and let echelon process all activity
[06:37:48] <progo> stupid cars
[06:37:52] <tedious> 500 error for me too.
[06:38:51] <janrinok> I've texed the US but I think they are all asleep about now
[06:40:39] <kyonko> you know, its a free site
[06:40:44] <kyonko> no ads, no sponsors
[06:40:48] <kyonko> its not freshmeat lol
[06:42:45] <janrinok> mechanicjay, ping
[06:43:07] <janrinok> just being optimistic....
[06:45:33] <janrinok> not having any luck contacting anybody stateside - I will keep trying periodically
[06:50:42] <janrinok> we have 2 day's worth of stories ready to go so that we could have an easier weekend - I think that might have just gone out of the window
[07:18:09] <Tekk> Still dead for me too, fwiw.
[07:30:07] <AzumaHazuki> so, do you know how to log into the linode?
[07:30:37] <AzumaHazuki> iirc they have a sort of "super-shell" that lets you log in from the outside (hypervisor level) and see how your "slice" is doing
[07:33:15] <Tekk> Pfft, I don't even have a *4* digit UID :D
[07:33:21] <Tekk> I was just confirming
[07:33:56] <chromas> Looks like mysql shit the bed
[07:34:16] <chromas> Disks on all boxen appear to have plenty room
[07:34:47] <chromas> Thanks for bringing that up, AzumaHazuki. That's happened a few times so it's always a good thing to Czech
[07:35:28] <chromas> We really need to switch over to some nosql
[07:35:57] <chromas> This thing doesn't even have shards
[07:35:59] <chromas> only sharts
[08:46:24] <janrinok> still unable to wake anybody in the USA
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[09:50:15] <FatPhil> *everything* you can do in nosql you can do in sql, I've never understood the obsession with going back to 1950s tech
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[10:28:04] <FatPhil> g'mornin' Runaway1956
[10:28:17] <Runaway1956> not much point me telling you what everyone already knows
[10:28:24] <Runaway1956> morning all
[10:28:43] <janrinok> nope - but thanks for popping up to tell us. You could have been the first.
[10:29:18] <janrinok> Unable to wake any staff who could change things so we are stuck I suspect for a few more hours yet.
[10:29:21] <Runaway1956> Blame the dog - lol
[10:29:58] <Runaway1956> I could email the NSA
[10:30:28] <janrinok> I've done worse by tripping over cables. Pulled a running desktop off its table and that drive didn't want to play ever again.
[10:30:51] <janrinok> case was bent too but that was just cosmetic
[10:31:32] <janrinok> fortunately the screen didn't go with it
[10:31:48] <Runaway1956> coffee+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[10:32:06] <Runaway1956> I confused the bot
[10:32:11] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[10:32:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5601
[10:32:17] <janrinok> looks like you did
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[10:39:17] <Ingar> <H1>Internal Server Error</H1>
[10:39:57] <janrinok> yep thank you. Been like that for a few hours now but we cannot wake anyone stateside to fix it.
[10:40:48] <Ingar> np,l
[10:40:54] <Ingar> np, used to it
[10:41:12] <Ingar> I support this software, and license manager is done in the states
[10:41:47] <janrinok> I hope you don't have as many problems as we seem to be having!
[10:42:43] <Ingar> my brother in sarcasm :p
[10:47:16] <Runaway1956> So, to highlight the difference from how life was two years ago
[10:47:44] <Runaway1956> Dear wife would want something, comment on it, and we would likely go visit a shop or six to find whatever it was
[10:48:08] <Runaway1956> Today, she mentions that she would like a larger Dutch over (last week actually)
[10:48:20] <Runaway1956> So, I shop online for a day or six
[10:48:32] <Runaway1956> order the 8 qt dutch oven
[10:48:47] <Runaway1956> and then watch it meander across the continent
[10:49:09] <Runaway1956> all sight unseen of course - the pictures looked good
[10:49:39] <janrinok> ... I think I am ahead of you
[10:49:40] <Runaway1956> highlight of the day will be unboxing a stupid Dutch Oven
[10:50:09] <janrinok> oh, perhaps not. I hope you/she is not disappointed
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[10:50:17] <Ingar> I have some wires to solder to my raspi
[10:51:38] <Ingar> Runaway1956: getting a steel one, or one with a ceramic layer ?
[10:52:04] <Runaway1956> It's copper clad stainless
[10:52:09] <Ingar> oO
[10:52:36] <Runaway1956> should be easy to clean
[10:52:37] <janrinok> I'll assume that is good - because I haven't got a clue
[10:52:57] <Ingar> all that matters is that it cooks well
[10:53:06] <Runaway1956> I hope it's good, the copper bottom is supposed to heat quickly and evenly
[10:53:34] <Ingar> it has to heat slowly and evenly!
[10:53:46] <Runaway1956> lol
[10:53:56] <Runaway1956> if you want it heat slow, you turn the fire down
[10:53:57] <Ingar> the ones I have take some time to heat up
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[10:57:57] <janrinok> I realise that you can cook anything in it, but what do you actually use it for the most?
[10:59:34] <Ingar> stew and sauce, stuff that has to simmer a long time
[10:59:54] <FatPhil> perfect for cassoulet
[11:00:01] <Ingar> can leave it on a low fire without having to tend to it every 30 seconds
[11:00:39] <janrinok> OK, I've got a slow cooker for those sorts of things but it is no good over a fire of course. Or I use a cocotte.
[11:01:32] <Ingar> janrinok: "a prostitute or promiscuous woman" ?
[11:01:51] <janrinok> Cassoulet is almost a staple in this part of France, so I have that fairly frequently
[11:01:56] <FatPhil> noun, plural co·cottes [koh-kots; French kaw-kawt]. /koʊˈkɒts; French kɔˈkɔt/. a high-class female prostitute
[11:01:56] <Runaway1956> Oh, the bigger crock pot will primarily be for stews and canning
[11:02:16] <janrinok> Ingar, neither unfortunately. A large cast-iron lidded pan with a ceramic lining.
[11:04:00] <Ingar> is that word actually used in french ? (never heard it )
[11:04:01] <Runaway1956> s/crock pot/dutch oven/
[11:04:02] <SedBot> <Runaway1956> Oh, the bigger dutch oven will primarily be for stews and canning
[11:04:19] <janrinok> https://www.boulanger.com
[11:04:21] <systemd> ^ 03Cocotte LE CREUSET SIGNATURE Cerise 29 cm
[11:04:28] <FatPhil> https://www.etymonline.com
[11:04:29] <systemd> ^ 03cocotte | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
[11:04:54] <FatPhil> did sound like it might be related to coquette
[11:06:16] <FatPhil> why do people need so many different fancy distinction-without-a-difference words for "pot"!?!?!?
[11:06:30] <janrinok> I have a set of different sizes range from small to ridiculously huge.
[11:06:44] <Ingar> FatPhil: kettle
[11:06:50] <Runaway1956> well, the *right* pot cooks things nicely
[11:07:05] <Runaway1956> while the *wrong* pot makes a scorched mess
[11:07:08] <Ingar> the right tool for the right jobs
[11:07:12] <FatPhil> I would say "black!" but I've just seen South Park, so won't
[11:07:19] <FatPhil> 1-800-I-Am-A-Giant-Piece-Of-Shit
[11:07:20] <Ingar> I have more different kinds of hammers than pots
[11:07:37] <janrinok> I should have recorded that yesterday evening but forgot to do so.
[11:08:27] <janrinok> speaking of cooking - lunch time approaches!
[11:09:04] <Runaway1956> it isn't even time to get out of bed here - I only woke up because the wife flooded the house with the smell of coffee
[11:09:27] <janrinok> I thought it would be early for you.
[11:09:59] <janrinok> Azuma has been on but she tends to work shift patterns so that is not surprising.
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[11:39:51] <Bytram> janrinok: not awake, yes, but I am here! =)
[11:40:41] <Bytram> janrinok: did you receive my reply to your txt?
[11:44:42] <Bytram> select count(*) from comments ;
[11:44:42] <Bytram> ERROR 1296 (HY000): Got error 4009 'Cluster Failure' from NDBCLUSTER
[11:44:42] <Bytram> mysql>
[11:44:59] <Bytram> uh oh. :(
[11:50:34] * Bytram looks at Linode panel for fluorine -- server is still up, but seemed to go really quiet at 0740 UTV
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[12:01:04] <SoyCow4310> presume the site internal server error is well known?
[12:01:53] <Bytram> SoyCow4310: Yes. thank-you!
[12:02:54] * Bytram is trying to remember what to do, safely, without making more of a problem =)
[12:03:03] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:03:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5602
[12:03:56] <SoyCow4310> Ah the wonders of SOPs. Good luck. This is not the time for it, but post incident maybe a good debrief and SOP creation may help for the future.
[12:05:12] <SoyCow4310> Just in case, if you are really concerned about making a greater mess, take some solid snapshots and have them stored safely. That way you have a good recovery point.
[12:06:00] <Bytram> it's not my first rodeo, but I am mindful "haste makes waste"
[12:07:36] <Bytram> I am pretty sure what to do, but it has been long enough ago that I am taking my time and not rushing
[12:07:47] <SoyCow4310> The old adage, two pairs of eyes saves 4 a.m. heartache.
[12:08:21] <cosurgi> neon:/opt/mysql/cluster-logs/ndb_102_cluster.log last line:
[12:08:26] <cosurgi> 2022-02-12 12:08:10 [MgmtSrvr] WARNING -- Failed to allocate nodeid for API at 192.168.174.127. Returned error: 'No free node id found for mysqld(API).'
[12:08:45] <cosurgi> some complaints are in the logs
[12:10:24] <cosurgi> helium:/opt/mysql/cluster-logs/ndb_101_cluster.log is complaining less
[12:10:34] <cosurgi> my guess is that we need to restart something on neon
[12:11:41] <SoyCow4310> That mysql error often comes about when starting or running msql bits in the wrong order. Like mgmt server on wrong node or sqld nodes started before the ndbd nodes.
[12:18:52] <janrinok> here - having had lunch!
[12:22:47] <cosurgi> now on helium:/opt/mysql/cluster-logs/ndb_101_cluster.log I see the same error as on neon
[12:22:54] <cosurgi> 2022-02-12 12:22:47 [MgmtSrvr] WARNING -- Failed to allocate nodeid for API at 192.168.174.127. Returned error: 'No free node id found for mysqld(API).' - Repeated 2 times
[12:23:10] <cosurgi> ehh
[12:23:34] <cosurgi> in root's history I found this:
[12:23:38] <cosurgi> start-stop-daemon --start --chuid mysql --exec /opt/mysql/bin/ndb_mgmd -- --initial --skip-config-cache --ndb-nodeid=101 --config-file=/etc/mysql-ndbmgmd.ini --configdir=/opt/mysql/mysql-cluster
[12:23:45] <cosurgi> should we try this command?
[12:24:22] <janrinok> I don't know, Bytram is on a different channel at the moment
[12:24:42] <cosurgi> right, sorry
[12:24:50] <janrinok> np
[12:27:27] <SoyCow4310> Please see my earlier comment regarding that error. Running mgmt daemon on the wrong host may cause those types of errors.
[12:28:12] <SoyCow4310> Check the cluster configuration ini files for the correct machines to run the mgmt daemons
[12:29:57] <janrinok> SoyCow4310, thanks - he is getting your messages.
[12:29:57] <SoyCow4310> Also, whilst you are there, check for memory resource issues and ensure OOM is not giving you grief.
[12:32:05] Bytram changed topic of #soylent to: *SITE IS DOWN; SORRY!* | Please keep discussions civil | SN Main Channel | https://soylentnews.org | Some PISG charts: https://stats.sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publicly displayed here https://logs.sylnt.us
[12:43:15] <Bytram> We are experiencing cluster errors on our DB (I think) servers ATM
[12:48:13] <SoyCow4310> Do you have a database backup?
[12:48:55] <SoyCow4310> and were you using a multi-master or single master cluster config?
[12:49:05] <janrinok> yes. There are regular backups.
[12:50:07] <SoyCow4310> sql dump backups or snapshot of running server? First is db consistent, second is "hope" to be crash consistent.
[12:51:19] <SoyCow4310> just thinking given it appaers to be around 18 hours down (correct me if I am wrong here), firing up a couple of VMs and doing a db restore into that environment separate to the production effort here might be worth doing.
[12:52:21] <janrinok> it went down about 6-7 hours ago
[12:53:34] <janrinok> I wouldn't even know where to start - and the people that do are still asleep during their night-time
[12:54:26] <SoyCow4310> demand they live the follow the sun support ;)
[12:56:25] <SoyCow4310> which version of mysql is being used?
[12:57:01] <janrinok> I don't know - the sysadmins are not available
[12:59:54] <FatPhil> did anyone ever have this: https://www.mashed.com
[12:59:54] <systemd> ^ 03What You Should Know About Pizza Hut's Hot Dog Stuffed Crust Pizza
[13:00:45] <janrinok> no - fortunately, I think
[13:01:38] * Runaway1956 looks around the room, sees everyone concentrating, accidentally drops the biggest heaviest book in sight
[13:01:49] <FatPhil> rm -rf 'BattleBots.2015.S06E06.1080p.WEB.h264-BAE[rarbg]'
[13:02:11] <FatPhil> wrong line
[13:02:16] <FatPhil> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[13:02:17] <systemd> No results
[13:02:57] <FatPhil> =yt BattleBots Pizza Hut Commercial
[13:02:58] <systemd> https://youtube.com - BattleBots Pizza Hut Commercial (31; 534 views; 👍17 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])
[13:03:19] <janrinok> ok, the vidya made me smile
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[13:32:12] <Bytram> e-mail and txt sent
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[14:50:17] <ar> hi, I've been getting 403's today, not sure since when, but I think the site still worked for me last week
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[14:50:51] <inz> ar, see topic
[14:51:00] <ar> oh
[14:51:06] <ar> right, sorry, didn't notice
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[14:52:17] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
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[14:53:06] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
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[14:59:39] <ar> oh, interesting, the nerdrpg's DB hasn't been reset/purged in the last 7-8 years
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[15:23:02] <Runaway1956> The truckers at the border kinda messed up
[15:23:20] <Runaway1956> The court told them they have to go, and the police moved in to break up protest
[15:23:35] <Runaway1956> They should have just driven across the border, and set up shop on the US side
[15:24:16] <Runaway1956> Canadian injunctions and Canadian police have no jurisdiciton in the US
[15:24:56] <inz> I'd rather take my chances with Canadian mounted police forces than US aremed police forces.
[15:25:01] <inz> -e
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[15:25:32] <t3> especially Detroit police! they aren't nice to protesters
[15:25:41] <Runaway1956> lol, US police don't scare me
[15:26:33] <ElizabethGreene> Are:site down.. Anything I can do to help? I'm volunteering.
[15:26:59] <janrinok> we are waiting for our US techies to arrive online.
[15:27:15] <Runaway1956> ElizabethGreene++
[15:27:15] <Bender> karma - elizabethgreene: 1
[15:27:27] <janrinok> Thanks for the offer - stick around if you wish but we have done all the local poking that we can.
[15:27:29] <Runaway1956> Bytram++
[15:27:29] <Bender> karma - bytram: 184
[15:27:36] <Runaway1956> Janrinok++
[15:27:37] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 92
[15:27:47] <Runaway1956> allthestaff++
[15:27:47] <Bender> karma - allthestaff: 1
[15:28:15] <ElizabethGreene> Copy. Have a lovely Saturday.
[15:28:39] <janrinok> you too
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[15:31:55] <FatPhil> ElizabethGreene++
[15:31:55] <Bender> karma - elizabethgreene: 2
[15:34:05] <janrinok> ditto - I've got front page, stories page and subs page selected - all the same
[15:34:05] <FatPhil> ar: what do you mean by your nerdrpg comment? why would one want to purge the DB?
[15:34:55] <ar> FatPhil: i'm just surprised my nerdrpg account is still there. I haven't been here since late 2014
[15:34:57] <Bytram> ElizabethGreene++ Thanks for the offer!
[15:34:58] <Bender> karma - elizabethgreene: 3
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[15:36:52] <Bytram> A couple servers were rebooted (helium, neon); still waiting.
[15:41:19] <janrinok> It won't recover any further - I am getting new 500 errors so they are coming from our servers.
[15:50:51] <Runaway1956> Those who aren't busy with the servers might like this story - https://www.theguardian.com
[15:50:51] <systemd> ^ 03Asking a delivery driver to dance is deranged – but Amazon bosses appear to disagree
[15:51:50] * Runaway1956 wonders how racism plays into that story if the driver happens to be black
[16:00:29] <FatPhil> I like this story: https://www.theguardian.com
[16:00:30] <systemd> ^ 03‘Gazpacho police’: Nazi gaffe lands Republican congresswoman in the soup
[16:05:06] <Runaway1956> https://arstechnica.com
[16:05:07] <systemd> ^ 03FDA, Pfizer abandon 2-shot COVID vaccine in kids under 5, citing new data
[16:05:29] <Runaway1956> Turns out the two-shot regimen for toddlers and young children isn't working out
[16:07:04] <Runaway1956> FatPhil - cold soup is definitely a Nazi thing
[16:14:47] <FatPhil> invented by the Tomatzi Party
[16:15:37] <FatPhil> love the stuff, personally, I literally goebbel it down
[16:30:12] <Runaway1956> https://www.propublica.org
[16:30:13] <systemd> ^ 03He Donated His Kidney and Received a $13,064 Bill in Return ( https://www.propublica.org )
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[16:32:11] <raxas> hi again. what happened?
[16:32:35] <janrinok> site down but the cavalry have arrived and are working on it
[16:34:18] <raxas> clouds may have a hard day everywhere with recent TIPC protocol vuln in linux kernel
[16:35:44] <raxas> https://www.openwall.com
[16:35:46] <systemd> ^ 03oss-security - CVE-2022-0435: Remote Stack Overflow in Linux Kernel TIPC Module since 4.8 (net/tipc)
[16:36:43] <Bytram> Runaway1956: LOL! I once worked in a restaurant attached to a hotel. General Manager would occasionally stop by for a meal. Hans was from Germany. Quite a nice guy, I like him. One day the soup-of-the-day was a cold soup: gazpacho. COLD soup? Strange, but ummm, okaaay. So, Dianne waited on Hans. Sweetest gal you'd hope to meet, but not the brightest bulb in the bunch, if you know what I mean. Any way, she took his food order and
[16:36:43] <Bytram> I happened to be there when she placed the order with the chefs. Quite innocently, she asked for: "One Gestapo soup". The chef has a strange look on his face, so she repeated the order. "Oh, you mean gazpacho soup?!" When she realized her error, and remembered that Hans was from Germany, she turned about 5 shades of red in embarrassment! I felt her pain and shame; abd made a mental not to not maked that mistake, myself!
[16:38:40] <Runaway1956> lol -
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[16:41:44] <BK> Someone set us up the bomb?
[16:46:12] <ElizabethGreene> authoritative sources have indicated the cause of the failure to be cosmic radiation. A new universe is currently being spawned.
[16:47:35] <ElizabethGreene> Joking aside, my understanding is they tried turning it off and back on again and that didn't fix it. They are now working on the problem.
[16:48:02] <BK> What you say?
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[16:51:21] <BK> Have they tried 0118 999 881 999 119 7253? J/k
[16:52:06] <ElizabethGreene> Hey Alexa, what are the nuclear launch codes?
[16:53:57] <FatPhil> 00000000
[16:54:09] <BK> https://m.youtube.com
[16:54:12] <systemd> ^ 030118 999 881 999 119 7253 | The IT Crowd ( https://www.youtube.com )
[16:54:40] <FatPhil> And don't call me Alexa in public!
[16:55:07] <FatPhil> Anyway, thanks for you concern and support earlier.
[16:56:08] <FatPhil> Got quite a shock yesterday. Just as I turned the lights off before leaving the flat, I noticed something moving in the window opposite...
[16:56:30] <FatPhil> Aaaaaargh! Totally nekkid man.
[16:56:47] <FatPhil> and windows too low to preserve any modesty.
[16:56:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - European Cloud Companies Want EU to Provide More Protection - https://sylnt.us || A Look Inside the Chips That Powered the Landmark Polaroid SX-70 Instant Camera - https://sylnt.us - say-"cheese"!
[16:57:09] <ElizabethGreene> outside, or a reflection?
[16:57:18] <ElizabethGreene> :)
[16:59:13] <ElizabethGreene> I have successfully configured a site to site VPN between my home lab and an azure v-net. I was always generally distrustful of cloud services. this has not in any way been reduced by this experience. I'm going to take the trash to the dump now, and I fully expect my home network to be infested with russian, chinese, and North Korean hackers vying for dominance by the time I get home.
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[17:02:58] <janrinok> SITE IS BACK UP
[17:03:35] <FatPhil> fortunately I'm not senile enough to forget to dress before leaving the flat.
[17:04:00] <janrinok> FatPhil, .....yet
[17:04:12] <FatPhil> is there a log of the steps done to fix the problems?
[17:04:50] <FatPhil> if I can damage my heart, kidneys, and liver enough, hopefully I can avoid that phase.
[17:04:57] <janrinok> it doesn't appear to have been much but perhaps I am severely underestimating the level of skill that mechanicjay has just demostrated!
[17:05:27] <FatPhil> mechanicjay++
[17:05:27] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 53
[17:06:21] <raxas> good work
[17:09:18] <Runaway1956> OH NOES!! THE SITE LOADED!!
[17:09:39] <Runaway1956> I'm only 7 minutes late with the news it seems
[17:13:52] <ElizabethGreene> Thanks for fixing it. <3
[17:16:42] Bytram changed topic of #soylent to: SITE WAS DOWN; it's back ~(2022-02-12 17:15:39 UTC) | Please keep discussions civil | SN Main Channel | https://soylentnews.org | Some PISG charts: https://stats.sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publicly displayed here https://logs.sylnt.us
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[17:20:08] <Bytram> Huh? system*p* ??
[17:20:31] <systemp> p-code
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[17:21:14] <systemp> when you are ancient, you remember pascal's p-code
[17:22:11] * Bytram remembers! Borland?
[17:22:41] <systemp> no, Borland made pascal compiling *fast*
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[17:23:16] <Bytram> some bots and logs may not like the name change
[17:24:31] <systemp> why not?
[17:26:39] <drussell> Thanks for getting the site back up, folks... You're always doing all the thankless jobs behind the scenes and rarely get the thanks. :)
[17:27:21] <drussell> IIRC, the TI-99/4a actually had a whole p-code card that went in the expansion box and totally took over the main ROMs so it booted right into p-code.
[17:28:10] <drussell> Runaway: (re: the truckers messed up, should have just crossed the border into the US and set up there:) They CAN'T! They're not allowed in the US since they're not vacinated!
[17:28:45] <systemp> Bytram: there is a 'systemd' here too... and that is considered offensive to some ;-)
[17:28:52] <drussell> That's part of the silliness of protesting having to quarantine in Canada on return, yell at Canada's current rules, etc. since they're not allowed to enter the US in the first place!
[17:29:15] <drussell> Such a farce
[17:29:39] * Bytram blushes -- OOPS!
[17:31:09] <raxas> if I was a railroad corporation. I'd handle truckers into social confusion mindstate gladly
[17:31:28] <raxas> even at small cost
[17:32:11] <Bytram> drussell: I remember those. Came out in late 1970s IIRC.
[17:32:20] <drussell> Ah, here's a description of the TI p-system (TI's implementation of the p-code virtual machine) I'm sure Mr./Ms. systemp remembers... :)
[17:32:25] <drussell> Indeed... :)
[17:33:24] <Bytram> =g TI-99/4
[17:33:24] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - TI-99/4A - Wikipedia
[17:33:56] <drussell> There's much more info over at 99er... https://99er.net
[17:33:57] <systemd> ^ 03The TI-99/4A Home Computer Page
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[17:34:50] <drussell> ... and over in nouspikel's archived info https://www.unige.ch
[17:34:57] * systemp remembers, all too well... getting too old, I guess
[17:35:40] <drussell> Indeed, me too... The first computer I ever used was a Wang 2200LVP system, first computer at home was the TI-99/4a... Good times... :)
[17:36:30] <Bytram> I rejected the "chicklet" keyboard...
[17:36:43] <drussell> I still have a working Wang 2200 LVP, with a working 8 MB Shugart 8" hard disk and 1 MB 8" floppy drive
[17:36:59] <drussell> Bytram, you're thinking of the short-livedTI-99/4
[17:37:13] <drussell> The TI 99/4a had a real keyboard
[17:38:24] <Bytram> Oh. Maybe I was remembering the original TI-99/4
[17:38:47] <drussell> They were otherwise virtually identical except the keyboard and some updates in the ROMS but were for the most part compatible...
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[17:39:27] <drussell> TI 99/4 photo: https://99er.net
[17:40:54] <drussell> TI 99/4A photo: https://spectrum.ieee.org
[17:42:01] <drussell> The real-keyed keyboard was one of the selling points against many other systems like the original Radio Shack CoCo, etc.
[17:42:26] <Bytram> my first computer had full-travel cherry keyboard (IIRC): ( http://www.6502.org )
[17:42:27] <systemd> ^ 03The Ohio Scientific C4P Page
[17:42:58] <Bytram> also see ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[17:42:58] <systemd> ^ 03Ohio Scientific - Wikipedia
[17:43:41] <Bytram> it had side boards mad of *wood*
[17:44:39] <Bytram> and an "enormous" 4 KB of static RAM
[17:44:46] <Bytram> ;)
[17:45:27] <drussell> The stock TI console had a whopping 256 bytes of main RAM, and it was static, AND on the 16-bit system bus! Alas, only 256 bytes...:)
[17:45:54] <drussell> The 32K memory expansion was the hot ticket to "real" computing, but it was only on the 8-bit external bus... :(
[17:46:20] <drussell> A popular mod these days is to put the 32K inside the console, on the 16-bit bus... for SPEEEEEED. :)
[17:46:48] <drussell> With memoy on the 16-bit BUS, it's actually a faster computer than the original IBM PC.
[17:48:04] <systemp> There are few programmers who can cope with limited resources
[17:48:24] <systemp> most are spoiled
[17:49:19] <drussell> That's why I advocate young up-and-comers trying their hand on vintage hardware... It makes you a better programmer when you HAVE to avoid the bloat... (At least for a while, then you work in Java or something and huge parts of your cranial matter simply dies off or something...)
[17:50:10] <systemp> indeed, it forces one to /think/ before you code
[17:55:19] <drussell> Bytram: Yeah, that is the same keyboard that the TI uses except the TI has a couple extra function keys by the spacebar. The early ones were made by Cherry I think, then some by ALPS, IIRC.
[17:55:49] <drussell> When TI stopped making the TI-99/4A they sold off a whole bunch of the keyboard inventory. You could buy them from Radio Shack for $9.95
[17:57:49] <raxas> they youngsters are actually reinventing our ancient skills now, on riscv cpus where resources are scarce. code compression methods like p-code or forth inner are new good retro style to them
[17:59:20] <drussell> Yup...
[17:59:21] <raxas> one guy even took my advice and is experimenting with logical assembler for riscv, a mix of prolog wam and forth runtime
[17:59:38] <Bytram> systemp: drussell: I remember counting CPU cycles, programming in HEX (or assembler)... those were the days!
[18:00:55] <raxas> since he understood any type system in common languages/compilers and prolog unification is essentially the same principle
[18:02:41] <systemp> I still count CPU cycles in embedded systems I work on today (mostly PIC and AVR arch)
[18:03:04] <systemp> at least, when it is requires
[18:05:02] <Bytram> I remember when IBM was developing the 3090 (which could support ~1,000 simultaneous users). Not only did support, natively, > 16 MB of RAM, it had *extended* memory... which could be used as a fast place to swap things out and into main memory!
[18:08:42] * Bytram tested key routines on one of the two prototypes that existed in the world. I would have one to myself for many 8-hour shifts. My 5-year-old cell phone has way more memory than that! =)
[18:09:23] <Bytram> systemp++
[18:09:23] <Bender> karma - systemp: 1
[18:09:26] <Bytram> systemp++
[18:09:26] <Bender> karma - systemp: 2
[18:09:37] <Bytram> break time
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[19:05:09] <janrinok> drussell, I have a working 5MB 8" drive for my Nascom 2 - https://80bus.co.uk.mirror.jloh.de
[19:05:11] <systemd> ^ 03Nascom 2 - Advanced Z80 Single Board Computer
[19:06:52] <janrinok> "advanced" - well I suppose it was for the time.
[19:28:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Lord of the Rings and Hobbit Movies and Video Game Rights are Being Sold Off, Report Says - https://sylnt.us - my-pressciouss
[19:40:16] <FatPhil> http://fatphil.org
[19:44:06] <inz> Beautiful bottle of sima
[19:53:07] <FatPhil> pretty good drinker too
[20:05:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Server Hiccups (2022-02-11) - https://sylnt.us - Were-Baaaack!
[20:07:37] <t3> huh, when did the IRS move to Utah?
[20:09:14] <FatPhil> that was the NSA
[20:10:40] <t3> no, IRS is there now too, I just finished my taxes
[20:11:20] <FatPhil> finished? so you never have to pay any more again?
[20:11:34] <FatPhil> I wish I'd finished my taxes
[20:11:37] <t3> I never pay any to begin with, I just get free money from the gov
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[21:41:41] <FatPhil> not paying taxes is a wonderful libertardian ideal, but has obvious flaws.
[21:57:21] <t3> sure, if you like giving aid to warmongering maniacs, taxes are great and good
[21:58:05] <t3> I'm lazy and would rather not kill people for oil, so no work and no taxes for me
[22:03:25] <tedious> I don't think that will work very well in some countries t3.
[22:04:02] <tedious> Although I agree that we should stop allowing our politicians to start wars that we never wanted.
[23:17:38] <FatPhil> fucking neighbours moving furniture upstairs...
[23:19:53] <FatPhil> tedious: I live in Estonia, where we have an, erm, less than friendly relationship with the great bear to the east. (Fuck germany too, molotov/ribentrop) and my view from Tallinn is ...
[23:20:12] <FatPhil> The most beligerent party right now is Biden.
[23:20:53] <FatPhil> He has threatened to disrupt fuel supplies to Europe.
[23:21:28] <FatPhil> With a willy-waving "we can do it" braggadacio
[23:21:35] <FatPhil> plus or minus letters
[23:23:09] <FatPhil> 89% of our NG comes from Russia. We may hate the history, but we're happy doing trade. Trade's what brings countries together.
[23:24:05] <FatPhil> Russia provides 94% of Finland's NG. A war would be catastrophic.
[23:24:34] <FatPhil> The US either (a) doesn't care; or (b) is utilising that fact.
[23:25:07] <FatPhil> Anyway, we can take this to #politics
[23:25:35] <FatPhil> It ain't just about the erections you have every 4 years
[23:26:55] * Runaway1956 sighs
[23:27:02] <Runaway1956> Women can be so cruel and cold hearted
[23:27:24] <Runaway1956> The dog went out hunting, and found a wild glove in the yard
[23:27:37] <Runaway1956> He fearlessly attacked and killed the glove
[23:27:52] <Runaway1956> when he brought it inside, she TOOK IT FROM HIM!!
[23:28:07] <Runaway1956> I asked if she planned on eating it, she says no
[23:28:19] <Runaway1956> so I suggested she give the glove back to him
[23:28:35] <Runaway1956> and - she said unkind words to both me and the dog!
[23:29:49] <Runaway1956> I'll fix her - I'll give her sugar-free cookied to him!
[23:30:04] <Runaway1956> s/cookied/cookies/
[23:30:05] <SedBot> <Runaway1956> I'll fix her - I'll give her sugar-free cookies to him!
[23:40:46] <FatPhil> erm, that's interesting
[23:41:19] <FatPhil> my g/f went out and brought back spicy chicken drummers.
[23:41:29] <FatPhil> no need for any punishment
[23:41:33] <Runaway1956> She's a groupie?
[23:42:13] <FatPhil> well, we like the place that does the food, not sure if that makes us groupies.
[23:42:22] <Runaway1956> lol
[23:42:40] <FatPhil> they're open until 5am, so technically, that's a big +ve
[23:43:10] <FatPhil> convenience food does *not* mean junk food.
[23:43:36] <Runaway1956> That depends very much on which convenience store you get the food at . . .
[23:44:19] <FatPhil> I don;t revisit the bad places
[23:44:48] <Runaway1956> There's the problem - you have to learn the hard way which places not to revisit
[23:45:37] <Runaway1956> There have been times I bought something to eat, took one bite, and tossed the rest for the wildlife
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[23:46:19] <kyonko> how long was the site down for?
[23:46:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Server Outage (2022-02-11) - https://sylnt.us - Were-Baaaack!
[23:47:24] <Runaway1956> Earlier today (about 12 hours before this story)
[23:47:39] <Runaway1956> About 10 or 11 hours I think
[23:48:06] <Runaway1956> I'm not sure how long the site was back up before the story was posted
[23:49:38] <kyonko> and there is no treasury for it
[23:49:57] <kyonko> not even an isp will sponsor the site?
[23:50:21] <Runaway1956> Oh, site was back up ~11:00, so two hours before story was posted, meaning about 10 hour downtime
[23:51:29] <FatPhil> my bottom has learnt