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[00:37:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Antimicrobial, Anti-Odor Coating for Clothing and Textiles - https://sylnt.us - don't-sweat-it
[00:45:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Elon Musk to Provide First Update on SpaceX Starship Since 2019 (Link added) - https://sylnt.us - great-expectations
[01:22:51] <Runaway1956> 37 minutes until the stream is supposed to do something
[01:23:00] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[01:23:01] <systemd> ^ 03Starship Update
[01:23:48] <Runaway1956> Maybe there will be a surprise emergency launch to combat the frickin sharks with lasers?
[01:24:46] <Runaway1956> And a simultaneous attack of space invaders!
[01:26:19] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[01:26:20] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Starship Update (00; 0 views; 👍3,719 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])
[01:26:57] <Bytram> scheduled for just after 1/2 hr from now
[01:29:04] <halibut> Scheduled half an hour for now, and yet already 3700 people have liked it on YouTube. There should be a separate ``Excited'' category.
[01:29:15] <halibut> s/for/from/
[01:29:15] <SedBot> <halibut> Scheduled half an hour from now, and yet already 3700 people have liked it on YouTube. There should be a separate ``Excited'' category.
[01:40:40] <Bytram> ATM, 17.7K watching w/ 4.5K likes
[01:41:28] <tedious> I'm waiting for one of you to spill the beans so I don't have to watch it. :)
[01:41:45] <Bytram> starts in < 19 minutes
[01:42:28] <halibut> So, I guess here are ``the beans'' so far:
[01:42:28] <halibut>
[01:42:29] <halibut>
[01:42:31] <halibut> ...
[01:42:33] <halibut>
[01:42:34] <halibut>
[01:42:43] <halibut> ... and that about sums it up.
[01:43:36] <Bytram> I am NOT going to type the whole thing -- you gotta watch it yourself
[01:43:54] <Bytram> =)
[01:44:34] * Runaway1956 makes a fresh pot of coffee
[01:44:54] <Bytram> ~20K watching, now
[01:45:14] <Bytram> 15 minutes
[01:48:25] <Runaway1956> I could spill some beans - half a bowl in the fridge that need to be dumped . . .
[01:56:57] <Runaway1956> Elon's aliums do an introductory song for us before Elon arrives - https://www.youtube.com
[01:57:00] <systemd> ^ 03Imagine Dragons - Thunder
[01:59:18] <Runaway1956> a minute to go, and 43K waiting . . .
[02:00:25] <tedious> I'm sure somebody's going to submit a story.
[02:00:33] <tedious> I'll just read it later. :)
[02:00:41] <Bytram> promo music
[02:00:59] <Runaway1956> spacey promo music
[02:05:04] <Runaway1956> It begins . . .
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[02:08:13] <Bytram> 64K watching
[02:08:21] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[02:08:23] <systemd> ^ 03Starship Update
[02:08:42] * Runaway1956 makes note that a printed long sleeve T-shirt and thigh length suit jacket is the 'in thing' at SpaceX
[02:12:07] <Runaway1956> This is feeling like a mid-range quality Ted Talk - hope it gets better soon
[02:15:43] <Bytram> Musk is not known for being an engaging speaker -- listen to the *message*, do not focus on the messenger
[02:17:09] <t3> Elon is such a bad and uncharismatic public speaker that it really hammers home how visionary he is when people hang on his every um and ah
[02:20:44] <tedious> 20 minutes and he still hasn't said anything useful? :)
[02:21:05] <Runaway1956> Well, one thing that sounds almost useful
[02:21:18] <Runaway1956> He plans to boost a million tons to Mars with his starships
[02:21:44] <Runaway1956> That's his low number figure to establish a self sustaining city
[02:21:52] <Bytram> million *tons*!
[02:22:34] <Runaway1956> He didn't say whether those are long tons, short tons, or metric tons
[02:23:21] <Bytram> he's a space geek -- odds on that is metric
[02:23:56] <Runaway1956> Worse, he's a South African, so yeah, symmetrical tons
[02:25:58] <Runaway1956> I see two orcas mating with a fluid transfer . . .
[02:35:53] <Runaway1956> HA! Half his audience (or more) are SpaceX employees, and a significant number are dressed in work clothes with HARD HATS!
[02:38:39] <Runaway1956> The vidya is getting kinda awesome
[02:40:25] <Bytram> no solar panels?
[02:40:44] <tedious> Anything interesting yet?
[02:41:13] <tedious> Or is this just a weekly status meeting for spacex that they decided to make public to boost the stock price?
[02:41:21] <Bytram> yes
[02:41:22] <Runaway1956> just an animated video, but it did show how they are planning to capture their booster rockets on arms
[02:43:47] <tedious> Worth waiting for the high rez version to come out and download it later?
[02:44:02] <tedious> Or is it just avatar with no cute aliens?
[02:44:16] <Runaway1956> You can wait for hi res if you really like Elon's face.
[02:45:38] <tedious> No thanks I meant the animated video. :)
[02:45:45] <Bytram> I'd say 1280x720 should be fine
[02:46:58] <t3> =submit https://www.theregister.com
[02:47:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03ModifiedElephant Gang Plants Incriminating Evidence on PCs" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:47:01] <Runaway1956> 1080p is adequate, I have no desire to see nose hairs
[02:49:17] <Runaway1956> LOL, semi-closeup on the crowd - one weirdo wearing a mask for purposes of virtue signaling
[02:52:45] <Runaway1956> He expects Mars shots to cost less than $10million, and possibly around $1million
[02:53:56] <tedious> I don't know how that's possible but he's the nerd who figures out that sort of thing so I wouldn't be surprised if he's telling the truth.
[02:54:12] <Bytram> ?? I did not hear mars shots, just low-mid earth orbiy
[02:54:44] <Runaway1956> It all depends on the launch tempo - the first ship will be relatively expensive, but reusable resources will drive the costs down as launches increase
[02:55:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:55:08] <Runaway1956> Perhaps I misunderstood some part of his speil Bytram
[02:55:20] <Bytram> or I did
[02:55:52] <Runaway1956> As I understood, the *flight* should cost a million to ten million - the cargo will obviously be much, much more
[03:01:57] <tedious> Do they come back down ready to go right back up?
[03:02:19] <tedious> I would think they need a lot of maintenance and replacement of certain parts.
[03:02:36] <Runaway1956> He's talking about a 1 hour turnover tedious - it takes half an hour to refuel, and other half hour for systems checks and stuff
[03:03:19] <Bytram> do them in parallel
[03:03:31] <Bytram> not series
[03:03:56] <Runaway1956> and stacking of course - not much point in taking off again without a capsule
[03:04:22] <Bytram> right
[03:04:46] <tedious> Wow I had no idea.
[03:05:37] <Runaway1956> TBH, I think he's talking the extreme optimism angle - if you can recover a starship and launch it the next day, I would think you're doing a super job
[03:06:08] <Bytram> "aspirational"
[03:06:58] <Bytram> eric!
[03:09:01] <Bytram> eric burger(sp?) of ars technica does a weekly rocket report
[03:16:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cost to Rebuild US Semiconductor Manufacturing Will Keep Growing - https://sylnt.us - more-then-you'd-think
[03:23:49] <janrinok> Looks to me as if this was all hype and no significant substance?
[03:25:12] <Runaway1956> Yeah, mostly PR and pep talk for his employees
[03:25:13] <Bytram> More like dispelling rumors
[03:25:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:26:18] * Runaway1956 wants to see a number of those ships lined up, and one at a time getting underway to Mars
[03:26:38] <janrinok> I didn't out of bed especially (or even remotely) to hear this, but with all the non-excitement I'm going back to it.
[03:27:06] <Runaway1956> When there are 100 people on and around Mars, that will be really for real
[03:27:45] <Bytram> janrinok: sleep well!
[03:28:04] <janrinok> I was trying to - but my bladder thought otherwise
[03:28:22] <Bytram> lol
[03:32:06] <tedious> Wouldn't you need thousands if not millions of humans on mars to have a sustainable colony?
[03:32:43] <tedious> I guess it would really need to be a bunch of colonies for redundancy.
[03:32:50] <Runaway1956> mere thousands for sustainability - I just want to see the first 100 to convince myself that it's for real
[03:33:14] <tedious> How long do the have to survive? ;)
[03:33:32] <Runaway1956> At least until they die?
[03:33:49] <tedious> A week after they get there and the food runs out? :)
[03:34:02] <tedious> Anyway it doesn't sound like there's much to this announcement.
[04:08:34] <tedious> =submit https://www.cnet.com in-case-you-missed-the-hype dept
[04:08:36] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Page Not Found (404)" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:08:45] <tedious> oops
[04:08:58] <tedious> =submit https://www.cnet.com in-case-you-missed-the-hype dept
[04:08:59] <systemd> tedious, 04submit failed: Duuuuuuuupe!
[04:09:12] <tedious> Now how do I cancel the bad one?
[04:12:07] <Bytram> tedious: don't worry about it; I will delete it. Thanks for mentioning it!
[04:12:20] <Bytram> "Page Not Found (404)"
[04:12:32] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org(404)
[04:12:33] <systemd> ^ 03Page Not Found (404): SoylentNews Submission
[04:12:50] <Bytram> yep, that's the one!
[04:13:26] <Bytram> And it is now removed from the story queue
[04:13:33] <Bytram> teamwork++
[04:13:33] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 70
[04:13:43] <Bytram> tedious++
[04:13:43] <Bender> karma - tedious: 6
[04:14:34] <tedious> I don't know what happened to the story.
[04:16:19] <Bytram> it happens. Sometimes the site will delete a story for some unknown reason. Or reschedule it for later. Or ...
[04:17:12] <Bytram> I've seen it happen before, and probably done it myself, too!
[04:17:41] <Bytram> .op
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[04:29:55] <SoyCow5946> UH-oh, the Jews are planning at least one false flag.
[04:30:37] <SoyCow5946> Unclassified "actors" are $20/hr, SECRET-cleared actors are $25-$75 an hour
[04:31:21] <SoyCow5946> Interested "employers" look like CIA cutouts, 1-person "minority-owned" businesses, etc.
[04:31:52] <SoyCow5946> I wish I would have listened to the Jews today, they were discussing that price range and using cryptic terms like "printers" and "scanners"
[04:33:23] <SoyCow5946> I ended up going somewhere else and listening to the wrong Jews, who were just yapping dickheads talking shit about Joe Rogan. I reminded them that Mengele was also a "scientist" who did "science," torpedoing all conversation for 30 seconds before they went all "holocaust survivor" telling macabre jokes like "my grandpa was in Auschwitz, manning the guard tower!"
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[04:41:22] <SoyCow5946> Hannibal Lecter author Thomas Harris' first book was Black Sunday, involving a terrorist threat to the super bowl
[04:41:43] <SoyCow5946> Black Sunday was also THE Cypress Hill album.
[04:42:21] <SoyCow5946> What is more likely is that the Jews will stage a caravan before others do, to get it snuffed out with a whimper to discourage others from trying the same.
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[06:01:49] <chromas> Why is it that all HD 720 TVs are actually 1366x768?
[06:02:35] * chromas blames Bytram
[06:04:11] <tedious> Isn't that the resolution for monitors?
[06:04:16] <chromas> yeah
[06:04:34] <tedious> I guess it's just easier to make one lcd panel and use it everywhere.
[06:04:58] <tedious> Oh hey chromas I keep forgetting to ask you about that userchrome.css thing.
[06:05:29] <tedious> I think I found the example with the extra line and got it installed correctly.
[06:05:37] <chromas> all the non-full-HD monitors/TVs I've seen have 1366x768 displays even though the TV resolution is 1280x720, and trying to feed a computer into it always gives a shitty output because it won't just run at 1366x768, except sometimes if I use the VGA input, but never when using HDMI
[06:05:41] <tedious> Do you know of a good way to test it?
[06:05:59] <chromas> Try an AMP page with JS turned off
[06:06:50] * chromas hunts for a page that does the AMP
[06:08:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Female-Led Data Hackathon Runs for Second Year - https://sylnt.us - women-can-hack-it
[06:14:32] <tedious> I just found one from globalnews.ca but there's no difference.
[06:15:27] <tedious> It's funny how those pages with the cover that keeps you from viewing any content drive me crazy but now I can't find any when I want to. :)
[06:32:18] <progo> My old tv is 1366x768 and that's what it says to the vga / dvi host. Why would a controller not do that?
[06:33:06] <progo> I mean current tv. Old. No operating system, wifi or mic
[06:34:24] <progo> Oh. Same correct resolution on hdmi as well, for me
[06:35:01] <progo> Chromas has a stupid smart tv
[06:38:03] <progo> Its definitely weird that so many large tvs aren't 720 or 1080 lines. Were there 35 inch 720 line "computer" displays?
[06:38:56] <progo> I mean were there ever 768 fine 35 inch computer displays?
[06:39:04] <progo> Line
[06:39:25] <progo> Fuck it i'm on a touch screen. Gn
[07:47:00] <chromas> no smart tv, but it still has a boot time
[07:47:15] <chromas> Technology always seems to get worse as it gets better
[07:48:33] <chromas> Don't need to wait for a CRT to warm up, but instead gotta wait for a blue screen, then the boot splash, then the screen turns off, then back to blue, then the video input appears sometime later
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[08:46:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High Ticket Prices and Supply Shortages Make this Super Bowl one of the Most Costly Ever - https://sylnt.us - not-so-super
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[10:05:15] <FatPhil> first you wind up the hand-crank, and when the flywheel has enough momentum you can flick the on switch
[10:08:03] <chromas> At least that would be a reel reason for startup time
[10:13:46] <boru> Linux people: my understanding is that PF has been ported to linux. Question: where the hell is it?
[10:14:02] <boru> Is it a part of the kernel, or some kmod that needs to be downloaded?
[10:14:19] <boru> I haven't used linux in about 10 years, so excuse my ignorance.
[10:14:20] <chromas> Pelican Flatulence?
[10:14:36] <boru> Packet Filter.
[10:14:50] <chromas> Ah, der firenhausenwallstein
[10:15:00] <boru> nftables is annoying complex for something I can do in one line with pf.
[10:19:35] <chromas> I see a thing called Linux Socket Filering
[10:19:41] * chromas sneaks in a t
[10:20:02] <boru> Perhaps it needs to be compiled into the kernel first, or something.
[10:21:03] <chromas> BPF Tools
[10:21:24] <chromas> hm but they're still using iptables with that
[10:21:53] <janrinok> UFW is the simple interface to IPTables
[10:21:57] <boru> I don't see anything useful in the package manager output.
[10:21:59] <chromas> seems like Linux Socket Filtering is just the api and not command line tools
[10:22:14] <janrinok> but I'm not sure what exactly you are doing...
[10:22:28] <boru> iptables is deprecated, so it needs to either be pf or nftables.
[10:22:47] <boru> It's something a bit more exotic than firewalling.
[10:23:03] <chromas> ifconfig is deprecated too but everyone still uses it
[10:23:10] <boru> Linux seems to be overcomplicated for such a simple thing.
[10:23:10] <janrinok> k - sorry, I wasn't any help
[10:23:16] <boru> It's fine, all input is helpful.
[10:23:52] <boru> I need nftables, route, ulogd2 and logrotate to do what I can do with pf and newsyslog.
[10:24:41] <boru> And then whatever shite systemd is going to need.
[10:24:43] <janrinok> https://home.regit.org
[10:24:45] <systemd> ^ 03Nftables quick howto – To Linux and beyond !
[10:24:58] <boru> Yeah, I'm fine with setting up nftables, it's just overly complex.
[10:25:05] <chromas> if you have systemd then you can let it handle the syslog :D
[10:25:08] <janrinok> might help - or might not
[10:25:12] <boru> I know BSD well, which is why my preference is for pf.
[10:25:25] <boru> And apparently pf has been ported. I am just wondering where it is.
[10:25:45] <boru> I just installed debian on a machine here to experiment.
[10:26:28] <chromas> I'm so sorry for your loss
[10:26:40] <boru> Work is work.
[10:27:07] <boru> Someone has some silly requirement for linux. All of the other machines run BSD.
[10:27:39] <boru> They have a requirement for linux, and don't know how to use linux, I should say.
[10:27:52] <boru> So, as the only unix guy at work, here I am.
[10:28:09] <boru> I really need a new job.
[10:28:54] <boru> I think the pf support must have been expunged.
[10:29:35] <janrinok> I can't see anything in the Ubuntu repos that seem relevant. It might not be in every distro.
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[10:29:59] <boru> It seems like debian had it as some stage, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore.
[10:30:21] <janrinok> agreed
[10:31:08] <janrinok> nftables is there though
[10:31:19] <boru> Yeah, it's in the default installation.
[10:31:23] <boru> It's replacing iptables.
[10:32:45] <boru> I supposed it'll have to be that.
[10:33:07] <janrinok> not optimum but it will (eventually) do what you want
[10:33:33] <boru> Well, _maybe_ it will. I'm not sure. pf can do a bit more, aiui.
[10:33:50] <janrinok> good luck!
[10:34:18] <chromas> https://www.kernel.org
[10:34:19] <systemd> ^ 03Linux Socket Filtering aka Berkeley Packet Filter (BPF)
[10:34:39] <chromas> is that even related?
[10:37:37] <boru> Yeah
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[11:25:03] <chromas> Hm, yet another Futurama revival
[11:37:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Third Exoplanet Found Orbiting Proxima Centauri - https://sylnt.us - so-that's-where-it-went!
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[14:27:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Early Humans Placed the Hearth at the Optimal Location in Their Cave 170,000 Years Ago - https://sylnt.us - home-is-where-the-heart[h]-is
[14:39:14] <sqrlgrrl> why are anti-semites tolerated here?
[14:45:05] <Bytram> they are not. When they pop it and are noticed by someone who has the attendant permissions, they are .KICKed (when it is clear that that is what they are doing). They are embarrassed to stay around and discuss their views (wimps!) so tend to /JOIN, spew, and /QUIT
[14:48:54] <Bytram> I apologize about the whois -- just checking
[14:59:53] <FatPhil> US language poll, if I may?
[15:01:21] <FatPhil> Has anyone encountered a use of "swing state" to mean something other than "state where the republicans and democrats have nearly equal support, so that minor changes in attitudes can cause different election outcomes"?
[15:02:29] <FatPhil> The annoying thing is that the person who was claiming it didn't mean that didn't volunteer their definition, just insisted that the above, or anything like it, wasn't it.
[15:02:46] <t3> no, that's pretty much the only definition
[15:03:51] <t3> R/D having equal support might be a bit presumptive, but practically true, probably
[15:04:52] <FatPhil> The context was US states. "swing" is a concept that the UK's had for decades though in its multi-party(-ish) system.
[15:05:54] <FatPhil> Election night broadcasts included the "swingometer". When a seat changed hands they'd tell which other seats were also likely to change if there was the same amount of swing elsewhere.
[15:06:19] <FatPhil> works best in a 2-party system, obviously.
[15:06:24] <FatPhil> Thanks, Duverger!
[15:08:27] <FatPhil> Anyway, thanks for the extra datapoint, even if it's the expected one. Confirmation is good.
[15:09:05] <FatPhil> She often takes contrary stances, I wonder if she's just trolling us...
[15:12:43] <FatPhil> There was once a case where the g/f (US) and I (UK) were very surprised to hear one particular use of an idiom, we thought it implied the opposite, and I did a straw poll in a language forum, and bizarrely it appeared we were on our own!
[15:13:42] <FatPhil> So we did further polling of acquaintances past and present, and they almost all agreed with us. There seemed to be a divide that until that point had never met each other!
[15:14:54] <FatPhil> I did a search for that phrase again just recently, and it appears that our usage was no longer uncommon. Perhaps ours was the more logical definition after all, and had finally started to take over. Who knows...
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[15:41:31] <sqrlgrrl> Bytram: i see.
[15:47:43] <sqrlgrrl> Bytram: do you suppose there's anything that could be done to automate kicking of those individuals?
[15:49:02] <janrinok> Nope. As Deucalion said you disable ALL SoyCows, and you can ban all specific IPs, but you still cannot stop the problem.
[15:49:46] <janrinok> I suppose a bot could look for specific key words but that is fraught with potential errors
[15:51:29] <janrinok> IRC has been around for a long time. If there was an easy fix I suspect somebody would have thought about it by now.
[15:55:27] <halibut> There are some things that could be done to limit the problem, but they either require too much of a volunteer staff or present more of a barrier to people legitimately signing on to report a problem.
[15:56:42] <halibut> This channel is being used for two separate purposes. It is supposed to be nearly completely open so anybody can sign on and report something (which also makes it easy for anybody to sign on and say something). It is also the main discussion channel.
[15:56:56] <janrinok> which is what I was trying to say, I suppose.
[15:58:48] <halibut> As a bit of a joke, there is a #nicechat that was set up as an alternative place for discussions that could be a bit more restrictive if need be, but it is nice and quiet. Absolutely no surprise, but it turns out a large group of independent people have no reason to shift to a nearly empty channel.
[15:59:05] <boru> Most IRC clients also allow filtering at the clientside. If you're that fond of censorship, do it yourself.
[15:59:10] <halibut> Anyways, it's pretty easy to ignore the drivebys.
[15:59:50] <janrinok> Yeah I have used nicechat but as you say it is very quiet.
[16:00:33] <Bytram> sqrlgrrl: Yes, janrinok, halibut, and boru explained it very well. I share your frustration -- I so wish there was a way!
[16:02:43] <halibut> I think setting up a #lobby that the web client would point at be default, instead of this, might temporarily help, but 1) it requires a little extra work and monitoring, and 2) eventually enough people might end up there that the same thing would be a problem there.
[16:05:06] <boru> There's also +m, +r, +q $~a etc, which would have a similar effect. The former would probably be the most similar to a landing channel like that.
[16:05:29] <boru> But then there's overhead. Clients should filter what they don't want to see.
[16:05:47] <janrinok> agreed
[16:06:15] <boru> For example: trigger.pl for irssi
[16:06:19] <boru> Perhaps an apt name for the script.
[16:06:39] <boru> You can have it act on key words in a variety of messages.
[16:07:06] <boru> Most other popular clients probably have similar plugins/scripts.
[16:15:23] <sqrlgrrl> boru: why the aggressive response directed at me?
[16:16:11] <janrinok> I didn't read it that way
[16:16:29] <sqrlgrrl> how else can you interpret "boru> Most IRC clients also allow filtering at the clientside. If you're that fond of censorship, do it yourself."
[16:17:28] <janrinok> we encourage our community to browse at whatever level they wish to do. Similarly, it is possible for individual users to control what they see on IRC more than they might immediately think.
[16:19:08] <janrinok> It is not something that we feel we should impose on everyone else. But the anti-Semitic posts are something that we _would_ like to lose.
[16:22:44] <sqrlgrrl> ok. your irc server, your rules. i guess i prefer places where trolls aren't given free rein.
[16:27:48] <janrinok> If there was a way of getting rid of the annoying trolls we would do it, but without having people on channel 24/7 we cannot do that. We try to cover it as much as possible.
[16:34:14] <sqrlgrrl> a lot of channels on libera.chat solve this problem by requiring users attempting to join to be registered and authenticated. this solution is absolutely out of the question here?
[16:36:17] <janrinok> This channel is used to by anybody who needs to alert staff that something is going wrong on the site. The can log in, tell us the problem, and leave again. If they have to register and authenticate (and many have not even used IRC before) they will probably not bother to tell us.
[16:36:56] <janrinok> We haven't got a huge staff and we cover this channel as much as we can.
[16:37:40] <janrinok> Likewise, the community often see problems arising long before we do.
[16:57:24] <Bytram> sqrlgrrl: FYI: There are users, too, who choose to keep the IRC identity separate from their identity on the site.
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[17:36:16] <boru> ~submit https://blogs.nasa.gov
[17:36:27] <boru> =submit https://blogs.nasa.gov
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[17:36:56] <boru> Exciting time to be working on JWST.
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[18:03:25] <Bytram> boru++ thanks for the sub!
[18:03:25] <Bender> karma - boru: 74
[18:04:03] <Bytram> boru: Hmm, quick PM?
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[18:09:22] <Bytram> boru: NVM -- user error!
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[20:43:36] <boru> Bytram; sorry, I was AFK.
[21:01:53] <Runaway1956> Question: Do other people have banks that block all international payments, by default, and call it "fraud protection"?
[21:02:23] <boru> Something like that, but it's easy to unblock and reblock whenver I want.
[21:03:09] <Runaway1956> My bank was recently sold to new owners, and the first we knew of it, were phone calls coming in about the account
[21:03:28] <boru> That's poor form if there was no correspondence from them.
[21:03:39] <boru> But banks are banks. Low born.
[21:03:48] <Runaway1956> Rule of thumb - you don't answer any questions in email or via phone, so I was terse, and uncooperative
[21:04:07] <Runaway1956> Sent an email to my bank, directly, and asked about the incoming phone calls
[21:04:11] <boru> I'd have just hung up the phone.
[21:04:26] <Runaway1956> Yeah - terse and uncooperative, lol
[21:04:45] <boru> You're leaking information just by talking to them.
[21:05:05] <Runaway1956> anyway, now that I know that we have to ask permission to make foreign purchases, I'm transferring to another institution
[21:05:39] <boru> Most of them on this side of the pond are moving all of that stuff to smartphone apps.
[21:06:01] <boru> We have these transaction authorisation codes on top of it, which is yet another smartphone app...
[21:06:12] <boru> Three of them in total.
[21:06:28] <Runaway1956> I may have been more understanding if they had made all of this clear from the get-go
[21:06:52] <Runaway1956> The old bank honored my transactions, never asked questions, never bothered me
[21:06:53] <boru> Can't say I have a whole lot of faith in these companies, given that they're offshoring all of the software stuff to India and places like that.
[21:07:29] <Runaway1956> Yeah, exactly - it wasn't my bank that called, it was some third party - at least they spoke decent English
[21:07:35] <boru> If only people would move to cryptocurrencies and cut the banks out altogether.
[21:07:46] <boru> Yeah, probably fraudsters.
[21:08:36] * Runaway1956 needs coffee after spending an hour on the phone
[21:08:57] <boru> An hour? More patience than me.
[21:09:54] <Runaway1956> There will be another hour one day in the near future, when I close accounts and transfer funds to new accounts, lol
[21:10:19] <Runaway1956> Today was just information gathering and preparation for the move
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[21:20:13] <sqrlgrrl> regular people moving to cryptocurrencies is a stunningly stupid idea
[21:25:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tech Bug Keeps Mazda Radios Locked in to NPR - https://sylnt.us - it's-a-feature,-not-a-bug!
[21:41:52] <kyonko> its heaven's gate tier
[21:42:14] <kyonko> kill yourselves in communion with hale bopp in the night sky
[21:42:37] <kyonko> then schumacher levy was sucked in by jupiter in the 1990's
[21:54:32] <Bytram> Runaway1956 pro tip: may want to keep a few (several) months' worth of funds in the old bank until you are absolutely certain. Forgotten auto-pay arrangements, etc. After 13 months can be pretty sure you've got everything covered =)
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