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[00:02:21] <SoyCow5910> https://www.jpost.com
[00:02:32] <SoyCow5910> No GOYIM! Only we can do that!
[00:02:33] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[00:02:35] <systemd> ^ 03SHOT Show 2022 Wee 1 Tactical
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[00:17:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese APT Deploys MoonBounce Implant in UEFI Firmware - https://sylnt.us
[00:23:29] <tedious> Bytram: Right my znc is on bitcoinshell and they seem to get spammers or something every once in a while.
[00:26:29] <tedious> Your host is listed on DroneBL. Visit http://dronebl.org to request removal.
[00:26:32] <systemd> ^ 03DroneBL :: Lookup :: 92.222.41.125 ( https://dronebl.org )
[00:30:19] <tedious> Oh now it's having some kind of ssl error even before it can finish connecting.
[00:36:13] <tedious> Disconnected from IRC (error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number).
[00:36:44] <Bytram> tedious: I just passed on your report to our IRC-master. Thanks for the info!
[00:37:43] <Bytram> tedious: Are you using IPv4 or IPv6?
[00:38:23] <tedious> I think ipv4?
[00:38:34] <tedious> I never told it to use ipv6.
[00:38:58] <tedious> I just tried to connect to irc.sylnt.us instead of irc.soylentnews.org and now it's saying banned again.
[00:44:03] <Bytram> tedious: From the site front page the IRC link points to ( http://chat.soylentnews.org )
[00:44:04] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Web IRC (Iris) ( https://chat.soylentnews.org )
[00:45:06] <Bytram> that is the GUI (we page) interface.
[00:45:22] <tedious> I'm using regular irc over tls.
[00:46:12] <tedious> Definitely using ipv4 too.
[00:46:28] <t3> did you try using ipv6?
[00:47:20] <Bytram> IPv6 is not available to me, AFAIK.
[00:57:14] <tedious> Yeah it looks like there's no server listening on ipv6.
[01:01:40] <tedious> Error from server: Closing Link: bitcoinshell.mooo.com (*** Banned (DNS blacklist))
[01:01:49] <tedious> That's the best I can get from ipv4.
[01:03:15] <Bytram> Strange! I've never tried it, but ISTR that NCommander set the site to work with IPv6 early on; but I have no idea if that includes bouncer access.
[01:06:32] <t3> probably easier to moderate using only ipv4
[01:13:28] <Bytram> I wish I could help, but I only know the most vague concepts from what I'd read years ago. :(
[02:22:31] <tedious> I just need a new znc host that doesn't get banned all the time.
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[04:57:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Americans are Bracing for Inflation and a Market Crash: Survey - https://sylnt.us - what-goes-up
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[07:04:44] <aristarchus> I expect an apology from janrinok, if not other eds and admins.
[07:06:53] <aristarchus> Don't really anticipate one, though.
[07:12:38] <FatPhil> You should expect ridicule instead, then you won't be disappointed.
[07:17:47] <aristarchus> You are so funny, FatPhil, and you are fat, and biased, and unjust.
[07:41:37] <aristarchus> And tedious, good luck! SN seems to ban nearly everything it can!
[08:28:47] <aristarchus> https://www.youtube.com Burning down the house!
[08:28:49] <systemd> ^ 03Talking Heads - Burning Down the House (Official Video)
[08:30:41] <janrinok> What should I be apologising for to Aristarchus?
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[08:40:40] <aristarchus> You know very well, janrinok. To start with, capitalizing my username.
[08:41:41] <FatPhil> Then who is GhostofAristarchus a ghost of?
[08:41:53] <FatPhil> Fuck me, you redefine stupid.
[08:42:21] <janrinok> It should be capitalised - it is English grammar.
[08:42:39] <FatPhil> tell that to ee cummings
[08:43:00] <janrinok> obviously they share that opinion.
[08:43:41] <janrinok> Now, having got that out of the way - what is it that you think I should _really_ be apologising for?
[09:06:02] <aristarchus> Ghost? Not dead yet, recently revived. And fatfil, you should appreciate the importance of proper CaptializAtion. I am not Aristarchus.
[09:07:01] <janrinok> and spelling too.....
[09:07:43] <janrinok> but I type with 2 left hands so I understand that we ALL make mistakes from time to time - even you.
[09:09:09] <janrinok> now I believe you are waiting for an apology for something or other - care to explain what?
[09:13:05] <aristarchus> Stop the mod-bombing, janrinok. That is all I ask.
[09:16:01] <janrinok> There is NO MOD BOMBING. There are lots of community members who are simply pissed off with the way you are acting and breaking other threads. STOP IT. Anyone can moderate your comments - it isn't so nice now you are on the receiving end, is it?
[09:17:58] <janrinok> If your karma is too low to let you post then you can either wait for it to climb again, which it will do naturally but slowly, or you can start contributing to the site again with good submissions (yeah - I've seen it), and intelligent and appropriate comments.
[09:19:19] <janrinok> If, as you keep wrongly claiming, you are being subjected to sock puppets please tell us on here or by email the usernames and the reason that you suspect that they are puppets.
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[09:28:59] <aristarchus> As you should well know, janrinok, no soylentil can see who is modding them any which way from Sunday. I cannot name names, because I have no more than the groundless speculation on which your mod-banned me. Do not ask the impossible, it makes you look incompetent. \
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[09:37:57] <janrinok> Then stop accusing others of using sock puppets - you cannot have it both ways, it makes you look incompetent. We are continuously checking for sock puppets - we are watching the ones we have identified but, perhaps not surprisingly, they seem to be upmodding you rather than downmodding anyone else.
[09:39:34] <janrinok> Also you claim repeatedly that you are banned. You are not, but by claiming so it also makes you look incompetent.
[09:47:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New AI Navigation Prevents Crashes in Space - https://sylnt.us - you-got-that-way-and-I'll-go-this-way-and-that-other-one...?
[09:51:04] <aristarchus> Was, not able to post, not able to mod, not able to journal. Thus the emergency nature of my current journal. Of course, can always hang with the cool kids on IRC, and conspire against normal soylentils.
[09:55:28] <janrinok> It is not something that we have done, other than your moderation ban which is still in force. I've checked your karma - currently at 6 so there are no restrictions there. Have a chat with your 'friends' and see if they are experiencing the same problem. You could also try a reboot, although that is simply speculative - I don't know (nor want to know) which OS you are using.
[09:57:44] <chromas> [dismissive wanking gesture]
[09:58:28] <aristarchus> We all know it is not "dismissive" coming from chromas. Or did I spell that wrong?
[10:02:16] <aristarchus> My karma has been 50, on average, for seven years. It has been 50 even after I took offense at Mighty Buzzard's attempt to censor my submissions. Why has it changed in the last few weeks, much to the glee of the "impartial" admins of SN? One might ask.
[10:03:49] <janrinok> You have annoyed a lot a people and made enemies. They have forgotten the time a long time ago when you made good submission on topics other than politics, and when you didn't spoil every discussion with your whinging. You will have to build your karma up again.
[10:04:47] <janrinok> The diverse nature of those keen to down-mod you indicates anything but mod-bombing.
[10:05:44] <aristarchus> https://www.youtube.com This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around! ]
[10:05:45] <systemd> ^ 03Talking Heads - Life During Wartime LIVE Los Angeles '83
[10:06:08] <janrinok> TMB never had a say in which stories we chose to publish and which we didn't. He might have said lots of things but he did not control the editing.
[10:07:19] <janrinok> Don't threaten me again ari - it is beneath you. If you view this as a war then you have already lost. You cannot force people to like you.
[10:08:53] <janrinok> Respect has to be earned, and you've squandered your reputation for the sake of your politics.
[10:10:25] <aristarchus> Does anybody have any questions? (David Byrne, at the end of the video).
[10:11:15] <janrinok> Of you? - no. And I am not going to waste time watching a video. This is my Sunday too.
[10:12:47] <aristarchus> Reputation? What reputation? I am a long dead (slightly alive) Greek philosophy on a news aggregations site populated with morally ignorant techies! And you think this squanders anything but the reputation of SoylentNews? Buzzard tried, and was listened to, he succeeded. What do you think I am going on about?
[10:13:29] <janrinok> But you said that you were not Aristarchus.... Do make up your mind
[10:14:55] <janrinok> This site was built and is run today by those techies to discuss predominantly STEM news, not news in general, in order to generate discussions.
[10:15:38] <janrinok> There are journals for those that want to discuss other things, but the editors are not particularly interested in supporting it.
[10:16:28] <aristarchus> I am arisarchus, and have always been, since the beginning of SoylentNews. I am fighting for the vision that was BuckFeta. Sorry that doing so annoys you. But if you only want right wing, pro-brexit racist news, well, you can ban, cancel, and misegenate me.
[10:16:39] <janrinok> If you want to discuss morals - you are on the wrong site
[10:16:50] <aristarchus> I noticed
[10:18:10] <janrinok> We don't want right-wing, pro-brexit news - I don't want any politics at all. I voted against it. The right-wing crap you are referring to occurs in the journals along with the left-wing and centrist crap.
[10:19:00] <aristarchus> First thing in any profession, including IT, is ethics. I have noticed a dearth of the same here, with admins outing ACs, and worse.
[10:19:11] <janrinok> You seem to not want others to have the same rights to express themselves as you are currently complaining have been taken away from you - which they haven't!
[10:19:44] <janrinok> Take your morals and ethics and shove them where the sun don't shine. I want to discuss STEM.
[10:20:12] <aristarchus> Oh, no problem with them expressing anything. But they better be ready to back up their arguments, or I will take them down with facts and reason. Got a problem with that?
[10:20:37] <janrinok> We have not outed any ACs - they invariably have outed themselves.
[10:20:43] <aristarchus> STEM without ethics is fascism. Look up the Italian Futurists.
[10:21:32] <janrinok> shove it ! this is a crap discussion. I've got better things to do. Take it to your next session of whingers-anonymous
[10:21:35] <aristarchus> We are men of Soylent, lies do not become us. You outed me, janrinok, you abused your admin privilege, and you admitted it.
[10:22:20] <aristarchus> I really do enjoy our little talks, and I do think there is a decent bloke under all your defensiveness. laters.
[10:22:25] <janrinok> did not! /me poke ari in the eye with a sharp stick.
[10:22:52] <aristarchus> Or, maybe not. Ow, my eye!
[10:23:02] <janrinok> lol
[10:23:23] <aristarchus> And, you did. FatPhil was there.
[10:24:01] <janrinok> got to have the last word.....
[10:25:55] <aristarchus> Well, have it!
[10:26:31] <aristarchus> https://www.youtube.com
[10:26:32] <systemd> ^ 03Talking Heads - Crosseyed and Painless LIVE (Stop Making Sense)
[10:28:36] <aristarchus> Facts are never what they seem to be. There was a line, there was a formula. Sharp as a knife, facts cut a hole in us.
[10:32:03] <aristarchus> I'm still waiting!
[10:32:23] <aristarchus> Watch the video, jan, good for you!
[10:32:35] <janrinok> nope
[10:34:48] <aristarchus> Somebody tell this stick-in-the-mud Brit about Talking Heads! '80s, but, hey.
[10:36:56] <janrinok> I know them well - have several CDs. Still not watching a video...
[10:41:35] <chromas> here's one for you ari https://www.youtube.com
[10:41:36] <systemd> ^ 03Trump vs Talking Heads - Swedemason
[10:45:47] <aristarchus> C'mon, jan, watch chromas's video. Same as it ever was.
[10:46:01] <chromas> no, it's for you only!
[10:46:07] <chromas> nobody else gets to click that link!
[10:55:53] <aristarchus> Oh my God, what have I done? Be more careful, chromas.
[11:02:13] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[11:02:14] <systemd> ^ 03Star Wars: Episode VII Trailer - George Lucas' Special Edition
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[12:23:39] <FatPhil> dafuq!?!? https://arxiv.org
[12:23:40] <systemd> ^ 03Entanglement between superconducting qubits and a tardigrade
[12:58:00] <janrinok> well the tardigrade didn't complain
[13:36:41] <FatPhil> they simultaniously did and didn't complain
[13:36:51] <FatPhil> s/ious/eous/
[13:36:51] <SedBot> <FatPhil> they simultaneously did and didn't complain
[13:37:04] <FatPhil> I can spill, honestly.
[13:37:25] <janrinok> my spolling isn't two grate either
[14:39:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cheap Malware is Behind a Rise in Attacks on Cryptocurrency Wallets - https://sylnt.us
[15:00:57] <FatPhil> The worrying thing about the neighbours above us clomping around and making it impossible to concentrate is that I live in an attic flat.
[15:35:58] <Runaway1956> Flats are so 20th century - why don't you upgrade to a curve, or a round, or even a sphere?
[15:56:23] <FatPhil> I'd be booted out of the Flat Earth society if I didn't have a flat.
[15:57:01] <janrinok> For God's sake, buy a globe quickly!
[15:57:18] <janrinok> or oblate spheroid to be more specific
[15:58:47] <FatPhil> But then I'd have to find an axis to rotate around, and knowing my luck I'd end up with the Axis of Evil.
[15:59:59] * janrinok chuckles
[17:00:05] <Bytram> LOL!
[17:03:11] <Bytram> I have a "newbie" question. Using (Ubuntu Mate), in a terminal window, I can drag-select a region on the screen. I'd like to send that to my printer. Is there an easy way to do that?
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[17:31:51] <Bytram> IOW, I have the text staring right at me, and I have drag-selected the exact text I want to send to the printer. I would prefer to not have to do: copy selection, save it to a temporary file, and then do an lp or lpr command with that temp file, and then try to remember to delete that temp file. Neither do I want to copy that selection, open an external program, paste the selection into that program, and use *that* program's print
[17:31:51] <Bytram> capability.
[17:32:22] <FatPhil> back in the olden day's you'd just pipe the text into lpr, I'm sure.
[17:33:34] <FatPhil> if lpr demands a filename, then /proc/self/fd/0 should make it use stdin
[17:33:50] <Runaway1956> I use lxterminal Bytram - it's easy to select text and copy it
[17:33:59] <Runaway1956> don't know about other terminals
[17:34:15] <Runaway1956> but I'd probably paste the text into leafpad, then print it
[17:34:20] * Bytram waved his hands there wrt lp/lpr
[17:35:00] * Runaway1956 is sure there are dozens of alternative methods that will appeal to the more nerdy types
[17:36:11] <Bytram> Runaway1956: that's messing around with *another* program to use *its* print capabilities... want to avoid that
[17:37:08] <Runaway1956> not exactly *another* program, more like my own preferred program
[17:37:11] <Runaway1956> lol
[17:37:23] * Runaway1956 considers a nap
[17:38:30] <Bytram> is there something I can install to add printing ability to a term window?
[17:47:05] <tedious> You just want to print a few lines of text?
[17:47:27] <t3> if you have cups installed, it should come with it's own lpr
[17:48:20] <t3> if your printer supports it, you can use netcat or send email to the printer
[17:53:35] <tedious> I would always want to edit it first because I hate wasting paper.
[17:53:53] <janrinok> just so that I understand - what generated the text in the terminal window?
[17:54:07] <tedious> And sometimes text comes out looking terrible when it moves from 1 place to another.
[17:54:16] <janrinok> is it something that you have typed, is it the output of a program?
[17:54:27] <t3> does ubuntu mate use X?
[17:54:42] <janrinok> t3 yes or wayland - user's choice
[17:54:48] <t3> could do xclip -o | lpr
[17:54:52] <chromas> And why would you want to print it? What year is this?
[17:55:27] <tedious> Bytram: Are you trying to basically print screenshots of commands you ran for future referencing?
[17:57:21] <Bytram> 1.) My screen is not large enough to contain all the text I want to reference. 2.) Output from a short query in MySQL, including the query itselg.
[17:58:00] <Bytram> tedious: Hmm, kinda!
[17:58:32] <janrinok> can you not redirect the output of the sql query to a file or something more usable?
[18:00:09] <janrinok> e.g simply add the words INTO OUTFILE, followed by a filename, to the end of the SELECT statement.
[18:00:22] <Bytram> Bonus would be a command line arg that I could set an amount to shrink the size of the characters, like say, 50%
[18:00:37] * janrinok is assuming it is sql output
[18:01:26] <janrinok> just so that I understand - what generated the text in the terminal window?
[18:01:38] <Bytram> janrinok: I could do that, but then I'd have a temp file that I would need to (remember to) delete afterwards
[18:01:46] <janrinok> I can't tell you how to get it somewhere if I do not know where it is coming from
[18:02:02] <t3> have you tried piping it into less?
[18:02:08] <janrinok> exactly!
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[18:03:00] <Bytram> the command(s) and output from one (or more) MySQL commands
[18:03:30] <janrinok> or redirect it somewhere more suitable, e.g. a file or direct into an editor
[18:04:27] <Bytram> that means a temp file that I need to remove afterwards
[18:04:43] <chromas> put it in /tmp and it'll be deleted when you reboot
[18:04:53] <janrinok> no it doesn't - you can pipe directly to another program
[18:05:27] <Bytram> from within a MySQL prompt?
[18:06:11] <chromas> mysql "select blah blah" |less
[18:06:17] <janrinok> in which case use the solution I mentioned up the page INTO OUTFILE, followed by a filename....
[18:07:29] <t3> alternatively, use tmux or screen, or a terminal with a scrollback buffer
[18:08:05] <Bytram> see PM for sample output I would like to print.
[18:08:37] <janrinok> you can just feed subsequent outputs into the same file providing you save the output between queries
[18:10:15] <Bytram> I use screen, but redirect output to a file for keeping a log of what I'd done, but lose ability to scrollback eg: screen -r 12345 | tee -a 2022-01-22.log.yxy
[18:10:16] <janrinok> Bytram, I do it all the time. At the end of the select statement type INTO OUTFILE, followed by a file name. Any name e,g res.txt. You can use the same file name repeatedlu
[18:11:10] <janrinok> scroll back into what - where do you want the data to be eventually?
[18:12:22] <Bytram> when I do that redirect, I lose ability to scroll the screen that is displayed :(
[18:12:45] <janrinok> I'm not sure now what you are looking for at the end. Getting the output of a query is simple, but you seem to want more than that.
[18:13:13] <janrinok> Not if you use the method I keep telling you
[18:15:12] <janrinok> have a think and tell me precisely what you want the end result to be. A hardcopy record? Something you can view on the screen?
[18:15:29] <Bytram> so, screen displays 1 single page of output -- I can so View and then Zoom out, and drag window border -- that's the only workaround for that I know. Ahhh!
[18:16:37] <Bytram> My term is ssh'd to one of our servers -- any recirected output would be one, say, fluorine
[18:17:01] <Bytram> s/one/on/
[18:17:01] <SedBot> <Bytram> My term is ssh'd to on of our servers -- any recirected output would be one, say, fluorine
[18:17:11] <janrinok> OK so far
[18:17:23] <Bytram> Sorry! I should have mentioned that earlier!
[18:17:51] <janrinok> still not a problem though
[18:19:24] <t3> the 'script' command might solve your screen scrollback issue
[18:20:21] <Bytram> any redirect of MSQL output to a file would leave it on fluorine
[18:21:02] <janrinok> ... which you could move to your home machine via SSH / rsync or whatever you want
[18:21:24] <Bytram> t3: Let me man the script command
[18:21:35] <janrinok> you've already got an SSH connection.
[18:22:53] * janrinok doesn't think space on fluorine is critical down to one extra text file of a couple of kb
[18:25:26] * Bytram can barely *get* to fluorine what with kerberos and ssh to fluorine in the way.
[18:25:44] <janrinok> lol
[18:26:53] <Bytram> t3: Aha! I used somethink kike that on csh decades ago, could not remember that name... /me reads more
[18:27:18] <chromas> oh wow, so Bytram's an anti-semite
[18:27:35] * chromas prepares the kick
[18:27:37] * janrinok was purposefully avoiding that comment
[18:27:47] <chromas> he was EF all along
[18:27:59] <Bytram> s/k/l/
[18:27:59] <SedBot> <Bytram> t3: Aha! I used somethinl kike that on csh decades ago, could not remember that name... /me reads more
[18:28:05] <Bytram> s/k/l/2
[18:28:05] <SedBot> <Bytram> t3: Aha! I used somethink like that on csh decades ago, could not remember that name... /me reads more
[18:28:53] * Bytram is struggling to even type today; arms and back are rather sore
[18:29:25] <janrinok> have a rest - we're not going anywhere
[18:31:30] <Bytram> Thanks for all the help! I learned a lot today!
[18:34:01] <Bytram> I was not joking about kerberos and ssh -- I make very good use of command history to navigate my way there
[18:34:44] <Bytram> teamwork++
[18:34:44] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 69
[18:34:50] <Bytram> LOL!
[18:35:02] <Bytram> break time
[19:27:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nasty Linux Kernel Bug Found and Fixed - https://sylnt.us - we-are-not-talking-about-popcorn
[19:31:33] <FatPhil> =submit https://iopscience.iop.org
[19:31:37] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Impact of the SpaceX Starlink Satellites on the Zwicky Transient Facility Survey Observations - IOPs" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:40:46] <chromas> Just throw some deeplearn AI neural nets at it
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[19:47:24] <SoyCow4335> Ukraine is the wretched hive of scum and villany known as the headquarters of the International Jew. And like Israel, their entranched fifth-colum of "American" Jews wants Goyim to die to protect thieir nest.
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[20:51:54] <halibut> Bytram: With screen, you can enter copy/scrollback mode to scroll back. The typical command sequence to get there is C-a [, or C-a C-[ (where C- means Ctrl-). Press escape to get out of it. In the mode, C-b and C-f scroll backwards and forwards by a page, and vi-keys move the cursor (h,l are left and right, j,k are down and up).
[20:52:28] <halibut> While in that mode, you can press space to start copying, and enter to complete copying and return to normal mode. Once copied, C-a ] will paste what you copied.
[20:52:56] <halibut> If you are running screen locally, you can run a command like: lpr <<'+++'
[20:53:11] <halibut> Press enter, then C-a ] to paste, then a single +++ line to write all of that to a local command.
[20:53:46] <halibut> lpr should be able to read from a file. a2ps has the ability to take text, format it in some neat way (with options for making the text smaller) and sending it to a printer.
[20:54:12] <halibut> a2ps -P <printername> should select printer, and you can also write to a file with a2ps -o <output> while you play with various options to see which one you like, and then use that without files in the future.
[20:57:12] <halibut> If you copy by highlighting, then the xsel command (which I seem to recall you installed a while back) may be used to paste that, I suspect very similar to the xclick command mentioned earlier: xsel -o | a2ps <options>
[20:58:52] <halibut> Still thinking about a way to get the screen buffer copied locally if screen is running on flourine.
[20:59:44] <halibut> (fluorine)
[21:00:31] <Bytram> halibut++ I was *slowly*(!) getting there, but was struggling with trying to use ghostscript. And got stuck. Will look at: a2ps ... and WOW thanks for all the help!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:00:31] <Bender> karma - halibut: 18
[21:00:41] <halibut> You are welcome.
[21:03:46] <halibut> Sometimes the size of the scrollback buffer is too small. C-a i should produce an info line somewhere in the terminal (typically the bottom or the titlebar of the terminal), looking something like: (100,100)/(100,100)+1000 (other text). The +1000 is the scrollback buffer size (how many lines it stores). You can change it with C-a :, and then typing: scrollback 1000 (or whatever number you want).
[21:08:01] <Bytram> I tried lpr, and that *did* send the file a printer, but I found the default font size too large. :( So then it was off to look for a utility I'd written decades ago, to send raw text to an HP printer (with short files pre-pended and appended to the text) to get me 80 rows of 132 character per page.
[21:08:58] <Bytram> err
[21:09:43] <Bytram> each output page would contain 80 row of 132 column text
[21:20:08] <halibut> I have not come up with anything very clean for getting paste buffers from a remote screen session to a local program. The cleanest I have is: ssh <remote> screen [-S <screenname>] -X writebuf '"/proc/$$/fd/1"' | <local program>
[21:20:50] <halibut> Note: There are tricks for sharing ssh connections, so if you are logged in once, all other ssh commands will share that same connection and not require login credentials (works even if you have not set up ssh keys).
[21:21:38] <Bytram> Heh! I just drag-selected what you wrote, then in Hexchat did a copy selection, and... want to print the selection! LOL!
[21:22:37] <Bytram> ooops!
[21:23:40] <halibut> Yeah, there are a lot of things you need to fill in. copy/paste of that would be a mess.
[21:25:48] <halibut> I could give more focused help if I knew whether screen is running on your computer or fluorine. Put another way, do you ssh to fluorine and run (or connect to) screen there, or do you run screen in your terminal, and ssh to fluorine in the screen session?
[21:30:56] <halibut> A quick a2ps line that you might try: a2ps -1 -l 132 -o /tmp/TEMP.ps.
[21:31:39] <halibut> The -o /tmp/TEMP.ps writes to a file. Use gv or something to view it to see if you like it. Afterwards, replace -o /tmp/TEMP.ps with -P <printername>, and I think the same command will print to the printer without saving a file.
[21:33:36] <tedious> Bytram: commandhistory++
[21:36:39] <tedious> I love being able to go back and "remember" what I did sometime ago.
[21:37:03] <Bytram> halibut: screen is in a term window, where I did an ssh to fluorine
[21:37:22] <tedious> But did you run screen before or after ssh?
[21:37:32] <halibut> So screen is local. That makes it easier. You can skip that messy ssh command I gave earlier.
[21:37:38] <tedious> If you ran it after then it's runnin on fluorine not your laptop.
[21:38:20] <halibut> tedious: Thanks. I did not realize that could be interpreted both ways.
[21:38:46] <tedious> I am very good at making and spotting mistakes like this. :)
[21:39:20] <Bytram> But, unfortunately, I need to head out the door shortly. :( But, I have a bouncer on hexchat, so I can come back and see what happened, here, later =)
[21:40:09] <tedious> If you can explain more about what you are doing I think I have a good workflow for you.
[21:40:57] <tedious> Like if you are trying to avoid writing temporary files because you want to make sure they don't get left lying around and mess up the server I have some tricks for that.
[21:41:34] <halibut> One handy trick: Save in /tmp/. Most GNU/Linux distros have a tmpfilewatch that will delete those eventually.
[21:42:14] <tedious> But tmpwatch is a good way to shoot yourself in the foot and lose something important when you least expect it. :(
[21:42:42] <halibut> True. /tmp/ is for things you truly do not want to see again.
[21:43:35] <tedious> Ramdisks and /var/run are for things you really really don't want to keep. :)
[21:43:59] <halibut> If screen is running locally, you can use the screen copy buffer to copy. Then, in either the same screen window, or a new one, you can run a2ps (or lpr), and it will wait for input. C-a ] to paste the buffer, and C-d to signal EOF and the program will run with that (or use the <<'+++' trick I gave earlier).
[21:44:28] <tedious> You can use /tmp for files that you might want to mess around with for a few days and /var/tmp for a few weeks.
[21:44:36] <halibut> tmpfs mounts points are OK, but if you are dumping stuff in them and have a long uptime, you still need to remember to clean then.
[21:44:39] <halibut> (them).
[21:44:53] <tedious> That's true.
[21:45:04] <halibut> (My systems have a special tmpfs mount point specifically for things like that.)
[21:45:20] <halibut> (But I have to remember to clean it every now and then, and also that everything disappears at a reboot.)
[21:45:36] <tedious> You can make them a certain size to keep yourself from going crazy.
[21:46:10] <halibut> Yes. mount -t tmpfs -o size=1G or something. I definitely do that.
[21:46:11] <tedious> And you can make your .login show you a df so you get an automatic reminder to clean up.
[21:47:14] <tedious> Anyway we need to know more about what the goals are and how much space the files will take up.
[21:48:12] <halibut> I think Bytram specifically wanted to avoid have temp files anywhere. The text fits in a few terminal screens, and may be easily transferred in a copy/paste buffer, so solutions utilizing that and pipes are preferred, I think.
[21:48:33] <tedious> And if it's just sql output maybe it's best to leave most of it digital and just have a few backups.
[21:48:53] <tedious> But why avoid temp files so much?
[21:49:06] * Bytram has a /tmp was starting to look into using it =)
[21:49:48] <tedious> If you make /var/run/bytram you can make sure that's where all temp files are written and nuke them automatically with the script that formats and prints them.
[21:49:57] <Bytram> not enough RAM for a tmpfs of any useful size
[21:49:57] <halibut> I cannot speak for Bytram, but my personal preference is to avoid leaving files anywhere if there is no reason to have a file in the first place.
[21:50:14] <Bytram> gtg. tx again!
[21:50:42] <tedious> halibut: I wouldn't leave them either since it's so easy to clean them up automatically.
[21:51:45] <tedious> Since it sounds like this needs a real script not just a typed command you might as well have it make a new temp dir and remove it at the end.
[21:52:08] <halibut> True. It's just a preference. If it is difficult to do things through pipes, I switch to temp files and clean them up.
[21:52:24] <tedious> But I don't understand how a few screens of text will fill up a tmpfs of any useful size.
[21:53:08] <halibut> I think a lot of distros now automatically set up a tmpfs every time you log in. /run/user/$UID, I believe.
[21:53:39] <chromas> lp (cups) has options for columns and rows per inch
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[22:39:46] <t3> with ssh forwarding and a local daemon, lpr might be able to print from the remote
[22:39:49] <chromas> We need moar trees!
[22:39:49] <chromas> N..nnooo, not like that!
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[23:06:38] <FatPhil> yebbut, what's the story?
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[23:09:50] <FatPhil> chromas: I did my bit. when I went to Nordkapp, I trampled down lots of small plants, as one wouldn't want them to start growing like uppity proper tree
[23:13:17] <chromas> Nothing worse than a damn, uppity nweed
[23:15:43] <FatPhil> having said that, whilst in Finnish lapland, I did manage a few almost-hollywood-style kung-fu leaps into trees, knocking them over with one kick.
[23:16:09] <FatPhil> Pretty bloody easy, to be honest, acid rain had rotted them until they were basically hollow shells.
[23:17:02] <FatPhil> balsa wood had more substance.
[23:20:52] <chromas> Is acid rain a thing again? I thought that went away in the '80s
[23:21:09] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[23:21:10] <systemd> ^ 03I Hour Of NonStop ROSE TICO Unboxings
[23:22:54] <chromas> "For once here's performance art that doesn't have contempt for its audience."