#soylent | Logs for 2022-01-21

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[00:00:18] <Bytram> #weather Boston
[00:00:20] <MrPlow> Boston City Hall, 1 Congress St, Boston, MA 02201, USA - Today: "Light rain in the morning." 37/14F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 82%, Wind ~8mph. Fri: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 21/15F, Humidity: 49%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~10mph. Sat: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 25/21F, Humidity: 52%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~7mph.
[00:01:03] <Bytram> #weather Portland, ME
[00:01:05] <MrPlow> Franklin St, Portland, ME 04101, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 38/5F, Humidity: 57%, Precip: 19%, Wind ~11mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 14/3F, Humidity: 57%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~11mph. Sat: "Clear throughout the day." 17/16F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~6mph.
[00:01:18] <Bytram> #weather Presque Isle
[00:01:21] <MrPlow> Peltz Rd, Moltke Township, MI 49743, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 12/1F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 12%, Wind ~7mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 19/11F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~8mph. Sat: "Overcast throughout the day." 24/5F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 15%, Wind ~14mph.
[00:02:14] <Bytram> #weather Presque Isle, ME
[00:02:15] <MrPlow> 157 State St, Presque Isle, ME 04769, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 17/-19F, Humidity: 72%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~7mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 2/-27F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~5mph. Sat: "Clear throughout the day." 6/-10F, Humidity: 86%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~2mph.
[00:03:14] <Bytram> #weather Minneapolis
[00:03:16] <MrPlow> Minneapolis City Hall, 3rd Ave South, Minneapolis, MN 55404, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 2/-6F, Humidity: 71%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Fri: "Foggy in the evening and overnight." 14/9F, Humidity: 72%, Precip: 16%, Wind ~11mph. Sat: "Foggy overnight." 10/-3F, Humidity: 71%, Precip: 20%, Wind ~8mph.
[00:03:30] <Bytram> #weather Nome
[00:03:32] <MrPlow> unnamed road, Nome, AK 99762, USA - Today: "Snow (1–3 in.) in the morning and afternoon." 6/2F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 48%, Wind ~10mph. Fri: "Foggy in the morning." 24/19F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 42%, Wind ~15mph. Sat: "Foggy in the morning and afternoon." 23/3F, Humidity: 63%, Precip: 29%, Wind ~11mph.
[00:03:42] <Bytram> #weather Fairbanks
[00:03:44] <MrPlow> Co-op Market, Gaffney Rd, Fairbanks, AK 99701-6161, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 3/3F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~2mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 18/14F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 22%, Wind ~7mph. Sat: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 20/8F, Humidity: 91%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~4mph.
[00:04:21] <Bytram> #weather Montreal
[00:04:22] <MrPlow> Blvd Robert-Bourassa, Montreal, QC H3A 2A6, Canada - Today: "Snow (< 1 in.) in the morning." 7/-21F, Humidity: 62%, Precip: 87%, Wind ~4mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 0/-25F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~2mph. Sat: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 6/-3F, Humidity: 79%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~2mph.
[00:05:20] <Bytram> #weather Santiago
[00:05:22] <MrPlow> unnamed road, Cartago Province, Santiago, 30202 Costa Rica - Today: "Foggy in the evening." 73/58F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 28%, Wind ~5mph. Fri: "Foggy in the afternoon and evening." 74/62F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 51%, Wind ~3mph. Sat: "Foggy overnight." 73/61F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 62%, Wind ~5mph.
[00:05:39] <Bytram> #weather Santiago, Chile
[00:05:40] <MrPlow> Plaza de Armas, Pl de Armas, 832 0046 Santiago, Chile - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 84/56F, Humidity: 33%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~4mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 86/55F, Humidity: 27%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Sat: "Clear throughout the day." 85/57F, Humidity: 33%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph.
[00:06:09] <Bytram> #weather Perth, Australia
[00:06:11] <MrPlow> 166 City Central, Barrack St, Perth WA 6000, Australia - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 100/77F, Humidity: 18%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~9mph. Sat: "Clear throughout the day." 98/76F, Humidity: 21%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~9mph. Sun: "Clear throughout the day." 95/67F, Humidity: 37%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~11mph.
[00:09:04] <Bytram> #weather Sidney, Australia
[00:09:05] <MrPlow> Northern Boardwalk, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 75/66F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 36%, Wind ~11mph. Sat: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 75/67F, Humidity: 66%, Precip: 39%, Wind ~8mph. Sun: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 77/68F, Humidity: 68%, Precip: 46%, Wind ~7mph.
[00:38:00] <chromas> spark's images are so yuuuge, must be lefty memes
[00:48:31] <t3> my cat likes to drool all over himself, then shake it off
[00:48:53] <t3> really disgusting when I bring up some light background and see all the splashmarks on the screen
[00:49:44] <Bytram> t3: Ewwww!
[02:06:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hormone Therapy Treatments May Increase Survival Rate in Prostate Cancer Patients - https://sylnt.us
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[03:53:28] <AzumaHazuki> ...has ari actually been banned from SN proper?
[04:20:15] <chromas> -1 karma
[04:20:36] <chromas> not sure if that blocks him from posting
[04:22:29] <chromas> Probably harder to keep the karma up without sockpuppets upmodding each other
[04:39:40] <tedious> Hello AzumaHazuki and chromas ltns.
[04:44:11] <chromas> g'day
[04:46:54] <Runaway1956> ltns = long term no support
[04:48:59] * Runaway1956 dowloads Ubuntu 33 LTNS
[04:51:53] <tedious> :)
[04:51:59] <tedious> Hi Runaway1956.
[04:56:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - WiFi 7 (802.11be) Will Support Up to 40 Gbps Links, "Real-Time Applications" - https://sylnt.us
[04:59:33] <tedious> I have't even gotten wifi working on this 4 year old laptop yet. ;)
[05:00:49] <Runaway1956> hey tedious
[05:00:50] <chromas> What kind of lap is it?
[05:01:06] <tedious> First I need to figure out how to get rid of opentmpfiles and replace it with this systemd-tmpfiles thing.
[05:01:19] <tedious> It's an hp.
[05:02:00] <tedious> It's got some kind of standard intel wifi but I haven't figured out how to get it supported and control it yet.
[05:02:16] <tedious> No big deal at the moment.
[05:02:45] <Runaway1956> What OS are you running on the hp
[05:03:55] * Runaway1956 wanders off to see if there's any old coffee in the pot
[05:04:09] * Runaway1956 wanders off to see if there is any old pot in the coffee
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[05:06:07] <AzumaHazuki> do you know the model number? lspci should tell you precisely what it is
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[06:07:35] <tedious> Intel Corporation Wireless 7260
[06:08:59] <tedious> I think I'm going to try installing a brand new gentoo system on it and try some desktops to see if they support wifi well.
[06:12:10] <inz> 7260 should be supported by the iwlwifi driver, but needs the microcode (/firmware)
[06:14:15] <tedious> I think it's loaded since I can see the device in dmesg and I can ifconfig it manually.
[06:15:26] <inz> Unless connecting to a wep network, you'll then need wpa_supplicant / iwd
[06:15:48] <inz> (or hostapd, if planning to run an AP)
[06:16:10] <tedious> Then I need to do some reading. :)
[06:16:55] <tedious> Meanwhile I was able to get half of the 200 out of date gentoo packages to install by doing them individually.
[06:17:08] <tedious> Now I'm using --oneshot to get some more.
[06:17:23] <tedious> Still not sure what to do about opentmpfiles tho.
[06:21:12] <tedious> It looks like dev-lang/python-exec-conf and dev-lang/python-exec are permanently out of date and can't be updated anymore?
[06:21:28] <tedious> That's what is keeping everything else from being updated.
[06:22:35] <tedious> [blocks B ] <dev-lang/python-exec-2.4.6-r4 ("<dev-lang/python-exec-2.4.6-r4" is blocking dev-lang/python-exec-conf-2.4.6)
[06:22:59] <tedious> I don't understand why I can't just force that to update.
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[07:09:22] <inz> I'm not a ricer, I don't understand gentoo
[07:22:08] <chromas> well someone's a ricist
[07:22:30] <chromas> still using python 2, eh
[07:25:04] <chromas> looks like you can just use systemd-tmpfiles by itself without the rest of systemd
[07:25:38] <janrinok> it (Py2) has been deprecated and most distros have relegated it to a secondary role. It was released in 2008!
[07:26:22] <inz> Pretty sure half of the (half of the internet that is not running on perl) is still running python2
[07:27:59] <janrinok> well I'm running 3 distros here - they all default now to python3 - python2 still runs of course but most of the OS has been converted to Py3.
[07:29:03] <chromas> if we could just get those stragglers onto python 3 then they could release 4 already
[07:31:51] <janrinok> :) - I'm quite happy with my mix of Python3 for most programming, and D for the very few bits I need to get really fast code. Python was 'slow' but nowadays with multi-core and multi-threaded CPUs it is easily faster than I currently need for the vast majority of tasks.
[07:32:11] <chromas> How do you like the D?
[07:37:18] <chromas> See that? It's so great, he has no words!
[07:40:39] <janrinok> .... I was eating my breakfast! I like programming in D, certainly a lot more than C. However, I've not needed it very much so I haven't written anything hugely significant in it. The bottleneck with the huge amount of data that I am processing is disk read/write, so I have upgraded 2 computers to 2TB SSD which has helped considerably.
[07:44:22] <janrinok> Oh, and they have 24GB of memory too
[07:53:53] <FatPhil> deprecated stuff tends to last decades past its BB date.
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[07:54:57] <FatPhil> so inz's guess will still probably be true in the second half of the decade.
[07:56:51] <janrinok> And I suspect that it might be a 32-bit lappy? Perhaps he has no choice but to use an old 32-bit distro?
[07:57:28] <FatPhil> Awww, how cute, I remember 32-bit, back in the 90s.
[07:57:56] * FatPhil sobs as he remembers the demise of his DEC Alpha
[07:58:24] <janrinok> If it is a 64-bit machine then I would use a more modern distro - there will be drivers for his wifi too
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[09:16:19] <FatPhil> RIP Meat Loaf
[09:16:29] <chromas> :'(
[09:17:12] <janrinok> and he said he 'wouldn't do that'
[09:17:53] <FatPhil> he was referring to resurrection, perhaps?
[09:18:09] <chromas> Some kind of rection
[09:18:23] <Runaway1956> Huh - silly woman started blathering something about meat loaf - I thought she was planning dinner
[09:19:14] <Runaway1956> I had to say "huh?" about 4 times before it started making sense
[09:19:40] <chromas> I'm sure he would've let her eat him
[09:20:13] <Runaway1956> only by the dashboard lights, I think
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[09:41:34] * FatPhil likes ternary dates
[09:43:04] <chromas> is that like "2222?2:22"?
[09:43:54] <FatPhil> that will be one of the best ones possible, but I won't be there to appreciate it
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[09:44:32] <chromas> oh whoops, 22?2:22
[09:44:39] <chromas> just drop some digits and it'll be fine
[09:44:41] <FatPhil> 2022/12/22 will be the last one I see in my life
[09:45:00] <FatPhil> that's the g/f's birthday too
[09:45:07] * chromas writes this down
[09:45:39] <chromas> What's the magic there though? IT's got a 0 and a 1
[09:45:47] <chromas> or a 10 I suppose
[09:45:47] <FatPhil> I don't use it as a secret answer to any of my webbanking accounts.
[09:45:58] <chromas> Yeah but maybe we'll send her a beer
[09:46:06] <FatPhil> ternary - 0s, 1s, and 2s only.
[09:46:17] <chromas> ah I see
[09:46:27] <FatPhil> My first pet's name was gromper
[09:47:15] <chromas> s/m//
[09:47:22] <chromas> 2
[09:50:36] <FatPhil> This is my current toilet reading. It's Viz from Oct 2018: http://fatphil.org
[09:51:29] <FatPhil> Made me snigger this morning given the UK boris nonsense.
[09:51:51] <FatPhil> even more on point given https://www.theguardian.com
[09:51:52] <systemd> ^ 03PM-supporting pork pie front page puzzles Sun pundits
[09:53:36] <FatPhil> fwafwafwaaaah
[09:54:40] <FatPhil> can someone extract an actual image link from this: https://t.co
[09:54:41] <systemd> ^ 03https://twitter.com/daveyjenkins/status/1484079130882752512/photo/1
[09:57:31] <FatPhil> unless it's the man / drugs / dead children one which a google search for chris morris chart finds
[09:59:47] <janrinok> FP check your SN email - the images are all quite small though
[10:02:45] <FatPhil> woh, the 2nd one!
[10:03:56] <FatPhil> Chris Morris has nailed it. Small Joy!
[10:16:02] <FatPhil> my google search also found a venn diagram with just two overlapping circles: (drugs (kids) drugs)
[10:31:10] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[10:48:52] <chromas> speaking of venn diagrams http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com
[11:23:07] <FatPhil> wat?
[11:23:36] <FatPhil> I can connect your two images!
[11:23:52] <FatPhil> venn diagrams = darn veganism!
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[12:41:17] <FatPhil> Oh, my, it appears that the woo-woo crowd are all over Palo Santo. Why do they have to turn "it smells good" into something spiritual?!?
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[14:49:20] <janrinok> just when you think that things can't get much worse..... https://mashable.com
[14:49:20] <systemd> ^ 03Showstopper alert: 'The Great British Bake Off' is being made into a stage musical
[15:01:56] <FatPhil> Waiting for /Gogglebox, The Musical/
[15:10:13] <boru> "Evening News, The Musical"
[15:10:39] <FatPhil> /Test Card, The Monotonic Musical/
[15:14:00] * boru chuckles
[15:21:01] <Bytram> FatPhil: Heh. *I* remember 12-bit and 8-bit in the 70's and 80's
[15:22:03] <FatPhil> Bytram: I started on Z80
[15:23:48] <janrinok> FatPhil, me too!
[15:24:13] <FatPhil> 68000 was heaven after that
[15:24:58] <janrinok> Nascom 1. Bare board, all the bits, all I had to do was put it together. Over 1000 soldered joints.
[15:25:17] * Bytram is trying to catch up with backscroll
[15:27:08] <FatPhil> I've seen a Nascom, as I had a college mate with one. Never seen it boot
[15:28:12] <janrinok> Worked fine (eventually - after fixing a couple of dry joints!) and then I upgraded to Nascom 2, and then IBM AT etc....
[15:30:08] <janrinok> CPM was very basic - but at the time seemed almost magical, especially with a 5MB (yes MB) hard drive that I wouldn't have wanted to drop on my foot! 5.25" floppies etc.
[15:31:08] <janrinok> I think you were are Spectrum man?
[15:31:27] <janrinok> or was it ZX-80?
[15:39:47] <FatPhil> zx81 briefly, then speccy
[15:50:57] * Bytram started om a PDP-8; the first computer I bought had 4K (static) RAM, cassette (tape) storage, ran at 1 MHz on a 6502 ( http://www.6502.org )
[16:00:07] <Bytram> that was ca 1980 or 1981; next was an Atari 800 (StarRaiders!) for which I added a floppy storage and a 16 KB(?) expansion card.
[16:02:20] <janrinok> Bytram, comment counts are NOT being updated on the front page
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[16:25:25] <Bytram> working on it; have trouple remembering pwd
[16:32:20] <Bytram> janrinok: can't remember kinit password; pls ask mechanicjay to help... I gtg
[16:32:54] <janrinok> k
[16:33:58] <janrinok> mechanicjay, the comment counts on the front page are not updating. We usually 'restart something' but I have neither the knowledge or the access. Are you able to help please?
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[17:07:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Police Take Down VPN Linked to Multiple Ransomware Hits - https://sylnt.us - they-should-have-used-a-VPN.-Oh... || Satellite Broadband Boost as Intelsat Expands Fleet, Inmarsat Supports IoT - https://sylnt.us || Giving Project Teams More Autonomy Boosts Productivity and Customer Satisfaction - https://sylnt.us - keep-'em-happy || Email - 1 more
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[17:25:53] <Bytram_phone> are the counts working?
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[18:45:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CIA Finds No Evidence of a Foreign Adversary Causing "Havana Syndrome" - https://sylnt.us - so-what-*IS*-it?
[19:31:35] <Bytram> cosurgi++
[19:31:35] <Bender> karma - cosurgi: 1
[19:31:41] <Bytram> mechanicjay++
[19:31:41] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 50
[19:31:49] <Bytram> teamwork++
[19:31:49] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 68
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[19:54:31] <SoyCow5003> "stakeholder capitalism"
[19:54:38] <SoyCow5003> in other words, SLAVEHOLDER capitalism
[19:54:48] <SoyCow5003> Larry Fink is not a very clever Jew.
[19:55:23] <SoyCow5003> Anybody remember that old comic The Wizard of ID? Where the guy holds up a sign that says, "The king is a fink?"
[19:55:53] <SoyCow5003> Brant Parker must have been savvy to the ways of the medieval Jew.
[19:56:08] <Bytram> .kick SoyCow5003
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[19:56:33] <Bytram> buh by!
[20:34:49] <Runaway1956> medieval soycow?
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[21:00:13] <chromas> mechanicjay++
[21:00:13] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 51
[21:00:14] <chromas> mechanicjay++
[21:00:14] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 52
[21:01:15] <tedious> I wonder what will happen if I force opentmpfiles to uninstall?
[21:01:26] <tedious> It looks like a bunch of things depend on it but they should be able to work if I install systemd-tmpfiles right?
[21:01:48] <tedious> I don't understand why there isn't a setting for fixing problems like this.
[21:04:27] <chromas> it looks like a basic --unmerge doesn't check for dependencies so that should do it. unmerge one, install other
[21:04:44] <chromas> the systemd-tmpfiles should satisfy all the other packages that need it
[21:04:46] <chromas> hopefully
[21:05:34] <chromas> I just had to do that with jack a couple days ago, though on arch (i-use-arch-btw.jpg)
[21:06:08] <tedious> If it doesn't work I wonder how to fix it now that opentmpfiles is blacklisted?
[21:06:26] <tedious> I think I'll just give it a try and see what happens. :)
[21:08:52] <chromas> You still have the build file or whatever it's called in your cache somewhere right?
[21:09:28] <tedious> It should be since I didn't delete anything recently.
[21:10:28] <chromas> and I'm assuming you can go edit a file to unblacklist it
[21:13:07] <tedious> That makes sense.
[21:13:51] <chromas> In arch you can pass a flag to install a package file instead of using the database. Maybe emerge has something like that, though I haven't found it in the manpage
[21:13:53] <tedious> Oh it looks like it's working!
[21:13:58] <chromas> cool!
[21:14:11] <tedious> chromas++
[21:14:11] <Bender> karma - chromas: 415
[21:14:46] <tedious> >>> Installing (3 of 3) sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles-249.9::gentoo
[21:14:46] <tedious> >>> Uninstalling sys-apps/opentmpfiles-0.2::gentoo
[21:15:06] <tedious> Now I just need to get a few hundred more packages to update. :)
[21:16:19] <chromas> Your cores are sweating bullets right now
[21:17:22] <tedious> Nope I'm a very gentle boss. :)
[21:17:43] <tedious> I let the work at their own pace and take frequent mental health breaks.
[21:19:33] <tedious> It looks like I can do a --oneshot for more of the packages now as long as I do them individually instead of doing all of @world at once.
[21:21:09] <tedious> Does it sound reasonable to have python targets for 3.8-3.10?
[21:21:39] <tedious> Some things were complaining about needing 3.10 so I added that to the list but I also had 3.7 still in there so I removed it.
[21:22:02] <tedious> Maybe I should just be 3.9 and 3.10?
[21:22:57] <tedious> It seems to be working so I'll just let it go.
[21:35:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pushing the Potential of Brain-Computer Interfaces - https://sylnt.us - getting-plugged-in-to-new-technology
[21:42:55] <FatPhil> Wooop wooop! there's officially, according to the census, a
[21:43:04] <FatPhil> Pastafarian in Estonia!
[21:43:58] <FatPhil> I should know, because I am he.
[21:44:28] <FatPhil> G/f got all lazy, and just clicked "no" for religious affiliation.
[21:44:53] <Runaway1956> Oh Christ - my wife read that vinegar douche was good for dog's coats, so she dunked the mutt
[21:45:18] <Runaway1956> he's racing around, rolling over, rubbing on stuff, trying to get rid of the smell
[21:45:45] <Runaway1956> smells like an old apple, I think
[21:46:47] <Runaway1956> if he escapes the house, he'll surely run across the road to roll in horse apples
[21:46:55] <FatPhil> what kind of person douches with cider vinegar!??!?
[21:47:24] <Runaway1956> Hell, I dunno, it's her idea, or her reading, or maybe she watched it on Youtube
[21:47:54] * Runaway1956 just shakes his head
[21:48:08] <halibut> FatPhil: You probably already have what you need, but just in case, from https://twitter.com I extracted: https://pbs.twimg.com (pie image) and https://pbs.twimg.com (man/drugs diagram you said you did not want)
[21:51:29] <FatPhil> halibut: janrinok mailed them to me. Maybe one of the bots here could be augmented to pull image links out of twitter posts
[21:51:36] <FatPhil> hint hint...
[21:56:05] <chromas> Can't even get the text out anymore
[22:00:43] <t3> mpv/youtube-dl handle twitter links pretty well
[22:00:56] <t3> not the greatest image viewer, but passable
[22:14:02] <tedious> Isn't there a website that lets you get twitter links without all the spyware and hassle?
[22:14:24] <tedious> I'm so out of it lately.
[22:15:23] <t3> nitter, i think?
[22:27:57] <tedious> That sounds familiar.
[22:30:36] <tedious> I'm sick and tired of sites like twitter and telegram that force you to use javascript to get anything at all from them.
[22:51:01] <FatPhil> yup, they are not websites, by the Tim Berners-Lee definition, they are thick-client apps.
[22:53:54] <tedious> Well we need to push companies to stop doing this because it's ruining the web.
[23:07:56] <FatPhil> I don't view it as the web
[23:08:32] <FatPhil> I view the web as a way of accessing resources, uniquely named ones, at that.
[23:18:03] <chromas> So it's still the web then
[23:18:25] <chromas> It's just that the resource is software that pulls another resource
[23:38:59] <FatPhil> and then writes a webpage based on the raw data thus fetched.
[23:39:19] <FatPhil> 500kB of JS to present 300B of actual data.
[23:50:28] <chromas> hey now, it only takes 97 reuests to load that daveyjenkins page and only 7.89MB