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[01:06:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TSMC Invests in New Capacity Despite Forecasts Chip Demand will Ease - https://sylnt.us - hoping-for-no-dips-in-chips
[01:51:35] <chromas> What forecasts? I want me gpu nao
[01:52:25] <chromas> KonqueringIRC: have you seen your UA string? Hillaryous
[02:18:09] <Runaway1956> Some triggered person used a spam mod, where it appears to be unwarranted. https://soylentnews.org
[02:18:10] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Moxie Marlinspike Leaves Encrypted-Messaging App Signal ( https://soylentnews.org )
[02:19:57] <Runaway1956> looks like a troll mod would have been on target, spam not so much
[02:20:32] <Runaway1956> bytram janrinok please look up ^
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[02:26:17] <SoyGuest8405> https://www.jpost.com
[02:26:24] <SoyGuest8405> Looks like /pol/ was right again!
[02:26:43] <SoyGuest8405> ALready those shameless embezzlers are salivating over more false-flag funds.
[02:26:54] <SoyGuest8405> Another taxpayer handout to Judeo-Communism
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[02:27:46] <Bytram> I read the comment. I am reluctant to override a user's (presumably heart-felt) good-faith moderation. I found the comment to be unnecessarily vulgar, profane, and bigoted. Any value to their observation was overwhelmed by their bigotry. I will let the moderation stand.
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[03:44:11] <SoyGuest8405> https://anash.org
[03:44:12] <systemd> ^ 03FBI Claims Hostage Taker Not Focused on Jewish Community - Anash.org
[03:44:50] <SoyGuest8405> OF course he wasn't, because he didn't actually exist, except to provide a distraction from Trump speech and try and embezzle more taxpayer funds.
[03:45:19] <SoyGuest8405> Now the LOL FBI is saying, "nothing to see here, move along"
[03:45:46] <SoyGuest8405> The only upside to this is the Oy Veying from the FBI's dismissal of ANUDDAH SHOAH
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[04:22:28] <SoyGuest8405> https://soylentnews.org
[04:22:29] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Moxie Marlinspike Leaves Encrypted-Messaging App Signal ( https://soylentnews.org )
[04:23:03] <SoyGuest8405> LOL, i swear that's not me. Looks like I have a sympathetic (and entertaining while being honest) copycat
[04:23:53] <SoyGuest8405> It makes me want to read SN more, glad that somebody posting there still fights for the truth
[04:25:02] <SoyGuest8405> Although, the copycat might just be a Jew needing to stage an Ethanol-False flag to generate sympathy and remind his fellow embezzlers and ruiners of computer security that the Goyim are always out for ANUDDAH SHOAH
[04:26:30] <SoyGuest8405> Hey Rabbi, what you doin'?
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[04:52:30] <SoyCow6667> Aw, hell. Why not post for old tyme's sake?
[04:52:32] <SoyCow6667> https://soylentnews.org
[04:52:33] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | A Very Common Virus May be the Trigger for Multiple Sclerosis ( https://soylentnews.org )
[04:52:39] <SoyCow6667> SPAM mod in 3...2...1...
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[05:07:04] <AzumaHazuki> Eth has a Problem (TM)
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[05:56:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Host of "youtube-dl" Web Site Sued by Major Record Labels - https://sylnt.us
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[08:45:30] <SoyCow6667> Happy Martin Luther Koon day!
[08:45:51] <SoyCow6667> Nah J/K he was a decent guy. Not as decent as the original Martin Luther, though.
[08:46:17] <SoyCow6667> In case you didn't get the reference, Martin Luther wrote "On the Jews and Their Lies"
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[10:46:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Secret to DNA Packing to One-Millionth its Size - https://sylnt.us - get-packing
[12:16:29] <boru> Perhaps one of you will have some suggestions: I'm trying to find official databases of causes of death per year of European countries. I tried the official eurostat database, but it seems to not have any data past 2018/2019 for some reason. Does anyone know of any other sources I might have overlooked?
[12:22:01] <FatPhil> I know Estonia has very detailed publically available stats, but don't know about other countries.
[12:22:35] <boru> I guess finding them on a per-country basis would be a start.
[12:24:56] <FatPhil> not encountered eurostat before - it looks very amateurish
[12:25:04] <FatPhil> it's basically just a wiki by the looks of it
[12:25:14] <boru> Well, it's an official EU thing, so it's bound to be shite.
[12:25:15] <FatPhil> Some things are pre-2018: https://ec.europa.eu
[12:25:17] <systemd> ^ 03Statistics Explained
[12:25:23] <boru> There is database access as well.
[12:25:39] <boru> I've found a database for Germany, which at least goes to 2020.
[12:25:46] <inz> Funland: https://tilastokeskus.fi
[12:25:50] <systemd> ^ 03Statistics Finland - Health - Causes of death
[12:26:28] <inz> No idea where to get the actual data from there though
[12:27:18] <boru> It's a start. Thanks.
[12:28:06] <FatPhil> I thought I got some indepth data from this site historically, not sure what exactly though: https://www.euromomo.eu
[12:28:08] <systemd> ^ 03EUROMOMO EuroMOMO Bulletin, Week 1, 2022
[12:30:05] <boru> I'll have a look there as well, thanks.
[12:30:13] <boru> I guess it'll take them time to compile the data for 2021.
[12:30:25] <FatPhil> http://andmebaas.stat.ee , linked to from https://www.stat.ee seems to be some kind of historical thing
[12:30:29] <systemd> ^ 03RV56: Deaths by cause of death, sex and age group
[12:30:31] <systemd> ^ 03Deaths | Statistikaamet
[12:31:48] <FatPhil> ah - by "past 2018/2019" to you mean "back further than" or "later than"?
[12:32:15] <boru> Sorry, later than.
[12:32:20] <FatPhil> OK, gotcha
[12:32:21] * boru kldload english.ko
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[15:26:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Military Flights Sent to Assess Damage from Pacific Volcano - https://sylnt.us - bada-BOOM!
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[15:53:45] <FatPhil> RIP the Bogdanoff twins. https://en.wikipedia.org (But that's boring, it's their visages that they're more famous for)
[15:53:47] <systemd> ^ 03Bogdanov affair - Wikipedia
[15:55:23] <FatPhil> https://en.wikipedia.org
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[18:48:26] <FatPhil> https://pbs.twimg.com
[18:50:33] <FatPhil> And the Tonga eruption in context (for europeans): https://www.metabunk.org
[18:51:40] <FatPhil> I know what you're thinking - it's a shame it had to happen to Tonga.
[18:53:09] <janrinok> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[18:53:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Linux Malware is on the Rise. Here are Three Top Threats Right Now" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:56:37] <janrinok> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[18:56:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "032G's Security Weaknesses are Still a Problem, Even for Modern Phones" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:26:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tech Recruiters are Changing How They Hire - https://sylnt.us
[20:36:44] <boru> JFC, reading that article gave me indigestion.
[20:36:55] <boru> I almost signed in to post a tirade in the comments.
[20:37:11] <boru> What an absolutely out of touch with reality bloody moron.
[20:39:00] <boru> It completely ignores the fact of what a resource hog the recruitment process is. Ignoring CVs would mean interviewing people with absolutely zero qualification whatsoever. Considering the last position we hired for had over 300 applications, I can't imagine I'd like to review 300 submissions or interview 300 people, the majority of whom clearly had absolutely zero qualification for the job at all.
[20:40:06] <boru> People with no experience, even hobbyist experience and had attended one of these stupid "coding bootcamps" she alludes to, applying for senior positions.
[20:40:33] <boru> I've hired plenty of people from all sorts of backgrounds without degrees, but what she is proposing is completely and utterly moronic.
[20:59:32] <Bytram> boru: When I was in college, I learned there was a difference in performance (FORTRAN) in a FOR loop which walked thru memory to do a depth-first-search vs breadth-first-search. Especially important when the same algo's were working with data stored on "spinning rust"!
[20:59:40] <Bytram> boru++
[20:59:40] <Bender> karma - boru: 71
[21:00:02] <FatPhil> When I, as a grunt, was pally with the team lead and manager, I remember proposing a "throw all the degrees in computer science in the bin" filter for a programming job. It took only 10 seconds for me to successfully argue my case. ;-) (All the CVs were technically qualified, the agencies were much better back in the 90s)
[21:02:34] <boru> One of my degrees is in compsci. I'm not ashamed of it.
[21:03:21] <boru> Bytram; yeah, that's a part of it. In this case, it was a senior position, as well.
[21:03:54] <boru> These days, degrees are pretty worthless, I'll admit.
[21:05:05] <FatPhil> Bytram: "Almost all programming can be seen as an exercise in caching" - Terje Mathisen
[21:05:18] <Bytram> Was not what I expected at the time (prolly looking more for software engineering than comp sci, though I did not know it at the time), but I have no regrets... was a much better coder as a result!
[21:05:46] <Bytram> FatPhil: nod nod.
[21:06:02] <boru> The people I've hired without degrees and had no professional experience, had hobby experience, their own projects online, or had contributed to some respectable FOSS projects. Once they got in front of me, it was clear that they knew what they were doing and trying to catch a break and get their first professional experience.
[21:06:11] <boru> I hired them and didn't have any regrets.
[21:06:52] <FatPhil> I think my filter was "fresh compsci graduates", experience could help them unlearn the stuff they think makes them clever.
[21:06:59] <Bytram> Performance improvement is just moving the bottleneck somewhere else. (dunno where I learned that one)
[21:07:11] <boru> If a CV demonstrates none of these things, I immediately discard it. It's a matter of efficiency.
[21:07:20] <boru> I don't hire for junior positions.
[21:07:23] <FatPhil> Better to have a problem-solver, and as you say, a degree doesn't indicate that
[21:07:34] <boru> Spot on.
[21:09:12] <boru> I'd say the proposal that woman makes in that article is flawed in another way aswell: just because someone can hack together the same banal linked list code test solution, it doesn't mean they're good.
[21:10:12] <Bytram> maybe better to have someone who can *locate* the problem(s)... so that they know *where* to look and focus their energies there
[21:10:35] <boru> Yeah, fault finding is a lost art as well, it seems.
[21:11:40] <boru> But generally, I get them talking about stuff they've worked on (they get enthusastic talking about hard problems, which is a good sign), and then give them a difficult problem which may or may not have a solution, and tell them to talk me through how they'd go about figuring it out.
[21:12:13] <boru> It tends to relax them a bit and you see more of the "real" person.
[21:12:30] <boru> None of this whiteboard code-in-front-of-us bullshit.
[21:13:15] <boru> Anyway, time to clock out for today.
[21:13:51] <Bytram> reminded of a comparison of PL/I and some other language (by Nicklaus Wirth?)
[21:15:20] <FatPhil> At my first Nokia interview, which was where I elbowed my way into the prefiltering stage, they gave me a page of their real code to code review. There were supposedly 5 real problems with the code, 2 major, 3 minor. ... I found 3 major, 5 minor, 5 confusing inconsistencies, and 3 mistakes in the comments.
[21:15:41] <FatPhil> Nokia was where I elbowed, not at that interview, obviously.
[21:15:51] <Bytram> It is possible to make something sufficiently complex that there is no obvious mistakes and sufficiently simple that there are obviously no mistakes.
[21:16:19] <Bytram> =g It is possible to make something sufficiently complex that there are no obvious mistakes and sufficiently simple that there are obviously no mistakes
[21:16:20] <systemd> https://www.brainyquote.com - Tony Hoare - There are two methods in software design. One...
[21:16:28] <FatPhil> Obviously no errors trumps no obvious errors any day.
[21:16:47] <FatPhil> Hoare was a bit of a nob, but he wasn't always wrong.
[21:18:00] <FatPhil> He was a lecturer at Oxford, and 2 of my colleagues had courses by him, so I heard their many complaints.
[21:18:06] <Bytram> ( https://www.brainyquote.com ): "There are two methods in software design. One is to make the program so simple, there are obviously no errors. The other is to make it so complicated, there are no obvious errors. --Tony Hoare"
[21:18:06] <systemd> ^ 03Tony Hoare Quotes
[21:19:12] <Bytram> never met him, but I learned that quote decades ago
[21:20:51] <Bytram> break time
[22:36:42] <chromas> Hoareshaming? In my #soylent?
[23:08:13] <FatPhil> We used to refer to him as "car hoarn"
[23:10:19] <FatPhil> (not a huge leap, his functional programming textbook was attributed to "C.A.R. Hoare")