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[00:26:12] <Runaway1956> subversive shit on vimeo
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[02:22:52] <Bytram> #weather boca chica, tx
[02:22:53] <MrPlow> 4911 Boca Chica, Henderson County, TX 75148, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 51/28F, Humidity: 56%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~3mph. Tue: "Clear throughout the day." 59/40F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~12mph. Wed: "Clear throughout the day." 61/35F, Humidity: 68%, Precip: 10%, Wind ~8mph.
[02:23:29] <Bytram> #weather houston, tx
[02:23:30] <MrPlow> One Shell Plaza, Tunnel Loop, Houston, TX 77002-5902, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 54/37F, Humidity: 47%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Tue: "Clear throughout the day." 66/52F, Humidity: 65%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~5mph. Wed: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 73/50F, Humidity: 79%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~5mph.
[02:24:22] <Bytram> #weather anapolis, md
[02:24:23] <MrPlow> Baltimore Blvd, Annapolis, MD 21412, USA - Today: "Heavy snow (4–8 in.) in the morning and afternoon." 33/26F, Humidity: 81%, Precip: 89%, Wind ~12mph. Tue: "Clear throughout the day." 35/32F, Humidity: 67%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~6mph. Wed: "Possible light rain in the morning." 45/39F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 49%, Wind ~11mph.
[02:24:48] <Bytram> #weather dulles, md
[02:24:49] <MrPlow> 108 Dulles St, La Plata, MD 20646, USA - Today: "Heavy snow (6–9 in.) in the morning and afternoon." 32/16F, Humidity: 84%, Precip: 92%, Wind ~11mph. Tue: "Clear throughout the day." 36/26F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Wed: "Overcast throughout the day." 44/31F, Humidity: 91%, Precip: 43%, Wind ~7mph.
[02:25:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - France Has Ordered Clearview AI to Delete its Facial Recognition Data - https://sylnt.us - not-so-clear-any-more
[02:26:11] <Bytram> #weather reagan national airport, md
[02:26:12] <MrPlow> 11112 Vale Summit Rd SW, Clarysville, Allegany County, MD 21532, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 30/20F, Humidity: 72%, Precip: 13%, Wind ~9mph. Tue: "Clear throughout the day." 38/24F, Humidity: 68%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~5mph. Wed: "Windy overnight." 46/23F, Humidity: 71%, Precip: 7%, Wind ~8mph.
[02:26:52] <Bytram> #weather nome, ak
[02:26:53] <MrPlow> unnamed road, Nome, AK 99762, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 0/-3F, Humidity: 66%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~3mph. Tue: "Clear throughout the day." 12/2F, Humidity: 48%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~11mph. Wed: "Clear throughout the day." 12/4F, Humidity: 55%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~6mph.
[02:27:23] <Bytram> #weather fairbanks, ak
[02:27:24] <MrPlow> Co-op Market, Gaffney Rd, Fairbanks, AK 99701-6161, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." -15/-28F, Humidity: 65%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~2mph. Tue: "Clear throughout the day." -21/-24F, Humidity: 57%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~5mph. Wed: "Clear throughout the day." -17/-20F, Humidity: 63%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~5mph.
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[02:48:44] <Bytram> https://www.cnet.com
[02:48:45] <systemd> ^ 03Elizabeth Holmes found guilty of defrauding Theranos investors ( https://www.cnet.com )
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[03:13:29] <SoyCow7949> People are afraid of Trump because the vaccines gave Barron autism
[03:13:58] <SoyCow7949> That's the elephant in the room, Trump is going after the medical establishment....which just happens to be run by Jews.
[03:14:39] <SoyCow7949> Although nothing may come of it, it would be nice when we could once again hold big pharma accountable for poisoned vaccines.
[03:15:08] <SoyCow7949> Sloppy trials, generally being a Jewish engine for keeping Americans and other Westerners physically weak
[03:15:29] <SoyCow7949> Too physically weak to revolt against Judeo-Globalism or abusive governments.
[03:16:41] <SoyCow7949> Jews, fortunately, don't need propaganda to be hated. They manage to piss people off just fine themselves.
[03:17:13] <SoyCow7949> "I poisoned your wells because MUH HOLOCAUST"
[03:18:11] <SoyCow7949> Roller-coasters dumping people straight into ovens wholesale
[03:18:46] <SoyCow7949> "MUH AUNT survived MUH HOLOCAUST" and she said Nazis made machines to masturbate people to death
[03:18:55] <SoyCow7949> (now THAT's a Jewish concept, for sure)
[03:19:41] <SoyCow7949> MUH UNCLE who survived MUH HOLOCAUST witnessed Jews being thrown in the freezer, and when they fell out, they shattered into pieces on the floor!
[03:19:59] <SoyCow7949> (now we know where Hollywood got a lot of those ideas for T2)
[03:20:42] <SoyCow7949> And of course that was that show that depicted Nazis playing live chess with real Jews
[03:21:03] <SoyCow7949> That was even insulted by the Jews for being too stupid for Goys to believe.
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[03:36:31] <Bytram> well, it seems to be true, some are sicker than others.
[05:07:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - James Webb Space Telescope Unfurls Massive Sunshield in Major Deployment Milestone - https://sylnt.us - I-can-see-clearly-now-the-rain-has-gone...
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[06:22:42] <GhostofAristarchus> Hmm, not banned! This could be the start of a beautiful friendship!
[06:38:01] <GhostofAristarchus> Or, shadow sand-boxed? Anybody here?
[07:31:09] <GhostofAristarchus> And if anyone cares, which obviously they do not, uncalled for spam mods at https://soylentnews.org
[07:31:12] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Happy New Year! We Did It! (I Think) -- Fundraising Update 2021-12-30 ( https://soylentnews.org )
[07:31:52] <GhostofAristarchus> And at https://soylentnews.org Just reporting the incident.
[07:31:54] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Happy New Year! We Did It! (I Think) -- Fundraising Update 2021-12-30 ( https://soylentnews.org )
[07:32:24] <GhostofAristarchus> I, for one, am tired of AC talking to himself!
[07:33:25] <GhostofAristarchus> Evidently janrinok cannot handle the problem, even though he is quite aware of it, because janrinok is the problem.
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[07:37:32] <FatPhil> Thanks for pointing out the moderation on those comments. Rest assured the admins will address them.
[07:37:57] <aristarchus> Wow! All the British exit points are banned? Because of all the illegal activity coming out of the UK, I suppose!
[07:39:02] <aristarchus> VPNs are like the American Fifth Amendment: just because you use one, that does not mean you are guilty.
[07:40:11] <GhostofAristarchus> Embarrassing, when your dead self shows up on IRC!
[07:48:26] <FatPhil> they're a hiding place for cowards
[07:48:32] <aristarchus> Hey! How's it going, future me?
[07:49:17] <aristarchus> And how did the beer-tasting go, PhatFil?
[07:50:43] <FatPhil> some ups, some downs, no stunners. but the food we had was amazing, and that was the focus of the event.
[07:51:49] <FatPhil> I must have been in a good mood, as I didn't include a death threat in this review: https://www.ratebeer.com
[07:52:31] <GhostofAristarchus> I remember some German saying that Americans think of beer as liquor, or a drug, but the Germans it is just food.
[07:52:43] <FatPhil> My maths apparently was beginning to fail.
[07:53:03] <FatPhil> Bocks were "liquid food" IIRC
[07:53:34] <AzumaHazuki> ick, beer
[07:54:27] <FatPhil> Germans never had the prohibition that the yanks (and several other countries) had. That might have had some influence on the different perspectives.
[07:54:54] <GhostofAristarchus> Icky Beer is from that brewery in Nevada where they found the huge Icthysaurus.
[07:54:59] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: what do you like to drink? I'm sure I can find a beer that will make you say "I never knew beer could taste like this - this is good".
[07:55:32] <AzumaHazuki> honestly? i have one vice, and that is diet Monster in all its forms. tea is good too.
[07:55:57] <FatPhil> ah, probably that belgian monstrosity I link to above then
[07:56:38] <FatPhil> And for the tea: https://www.ratebeer.com
[07:57:14] <GhostofAristarchus> My initial search turned up all kinds of allegeries to beer! Horrible, but here is Icky: https://www.greatbasinbrewingco.com
[07:57:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Desktop PC Sales Rebound as Pandemic Work Evolves - https://sylnt.us
[07:57:23] <systemd> ^ 03Ichthyosaur "ICKY" IPA®
[07:58:23] <FatPhil> Apparently, that beer makes it rather hard to focus: https://res.cloudinary.com
[07:58:33] <aristarchus> Greek mass produced beer, FatPhil?
[07:58:48] <aristarchus> Mythos, and the other one?
[07:59:00] <FatPhil> Fix was pretty bland too
[07:59:47] <aristarchus> Pale imitations of Pilsners, if there could be such a thing.
[08:00:08] <FatPhil> There were a couple of very good craft brewers in Greece who did very good pale lagers.
[08:00:23] <AzumaHazuki> ...my ex liked beer. she had me try this incredibly dark stout once. it was like a glass of very dark bread, but rotten
[08:00:38] <FatPhil> One absolutely world class bar in Athens. Barley Crew.
[08:01:41] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: the US is very good at making what I call "sweet boozy messes". It might have been one of those. They don't seem to understand balance. "Some is good therefore more is better" seems to be the illogic used.
[08:02:19] <aristarchus> Here, let me IPA that!
[08:02:41] <AzumaHazuki> this kind of explains why so much of the country looks like Jabba the Hutt in a Walmart hover-round
[08:03:38] <FatPhil> However, more recently there's been a trend to make what I call "kitchen sink" stouts or "lunch box" stouts, where a whole bunch of non-beer stuff is thrown in, typically sweet. Maple peanut butter smores stout to make up a completly idiotic example that probably exists.
[08:04:20] <AzumaHazuki> o_O
[08:04:32] <AzumaHazuki> that sounds nauseating
[08:05:26] <FatPhil> Yeah, the fussing about sugar contents in childrens soft drinks is only half of the story. As the sugar addicts grow up, they're hitting disgustingly sweet "beer"s too that's just feeding their addiction, and introducing more!
[08:05:48] <aristarchus> Marduk? Barley Cargo, not Crew?
[08:06:01] <FatPhil> Barley Cargo, that was probably it
[08:06:13] <FatPhil> I misnamed it about 8 different ways when I was over there.
[08:06:29] <FatPhil> Anything that began "B... C..." was an acceptible identifier.
[08:07:28] <FatPhil> Food was fantastic. Pork steaks just like how I used to barbeque them myself.
[08:09:49] <FatPhil> "portions are quite large" is an understatement in Marduk's review. He SMSed us to comment about how absurd they were the first time he went there.
[08:11:16] <janrinok> aristarchus, in response to your comment (https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=46954&page=1&cid=1209721#commentwrap). You have never been censored - the very fact that you can write that comment, everything that is in your journal, and much of your rubbish on here rather proves that point, doesn't it.
[08:11:17] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | France Has Ordered Clearview AI to Delete its Facial Recognition Data ( https://soylentnews.org )
[08:12:03] <janrinok> You moderation complaint is still waiting for an email before we can process it. Which comments are you claiming are yours and which belong to the AC?
[08:12:34] <janrinok> And there is a lot of activity behind the scenes regarding those moderations - you are simply unaware of it.
[08:12:34] <aristarchus> janrinok, are you really this dense?
[08:12:43] <janrinok> no, but is seems you are.
[08:13:05] <AzumaHazuki> Ari...your problem is you're full of hot air. you puff up and make threats but you can't actually do anything
[08:13:24] <AzumaHazuki> say what you mean, mean what you say, make no threat you can't follow through on, and quit fucking sockpuppetting
[08:13:29] <aristarchus> Well, if you insist on unsubstantiated sockpuppet accusation, it is only natural that such abuses occur.
[08:14:13] <aristarchus> I make no threats, koibito Hazuki, that was some AC.
[08:14:37] <janrinok> wink wink nudge nudge?
[08:15:01] <aristarchus> And you never post AC. Gotcha!
[08:15:28] <janrinok> Not when I am representing the site - it would be of little value
[08:16:09] <aristarchus> Of course, you could check the IP hashes and not that they are not me.
[08:16:56] <janrinok> Read the rules, comply with them, and we can look at the moderation complaint.
[08:17:03] <janrinok> SEND THE EMAIL
[08:17:04] <aristarchus> And here were having a pleasant discussion of Athenian Brew pubs!
[08:17:55] <janrinok> You went off-topic in the comments to a story - which you do repeatedly. That CAN earn you another ban, you do realise that don't you?
[08:18:24] <janrinok> Stop trashing other conversations.
[08:18:50] <aristarchus> Nope, not gonna do it. It's a trap, a ruse, a red herring, a McGuffin! This spam mod will hand around the neck of SN like a dead chicken around an egg-sucking dog! Wait, it that too Runaway-ish?
[08:19:12] <janrinok> you are paranoid - bye
[08:19:49] <aristarchus> Mirrors don't lie, janrinok. Is there another manager I can talk to? My middle name is karen.
[08:20:25] <janrinok> Yes - try admin@[the usual address] as I have been suggesting for several days.
[08:22:06] <AzumaHazuki> i want to see this supposed site-destroying power he says he has, and these dox he says he's got
[08:22:43] <GhostofAristarchus> Actually, it was me that reported the spam mods. Why do you think it was aristarchus?
[08:24:09] <AzumaHazuki> ...feckin' guess why we think so
[08:30:06] <GhostofAristarchus> I don't know, because I am his ghost? Amazing how such little similarity amounts to accusations of identity here on SoylentNews!
[08:30:31] <aristarchus> I, unlike this joker, am not dead yet!
[08:31:48] <GhostofAristarchus> Unjust spam mods are an issue, no matter who reports them. I do not have a regular user name, so it is only here that I can, um, manifest, and report such things.
[08:32:44] <janrinok> GofA - I have no problem with that but the instr
[08:32:58] <FatPhil> Oh, we weren't looking at the spam mods. It was the upmods that were most interesting to us...
[08:33:12] <janrinok> instructions for doing so are quite clear - provide the 'cid' number
[08:33:25] <FatPhil> definitely smelt of abuse.
[08:36:53] <GhostofAristarchus> I have no user account, I cannot mod. But having spam mods like these affects the credibility of the site. That is the true abuse, not what you are quacking in your boots about.
[08:38:20] <aristarchus> I guess the only solution is to only allow editors and admin to moderate. That would certainly fix the "problem".
[08:38:45] <janrinok> so follow the rules: "If you see moderation abuse (mod bombing or spam mod), please mail the admin any comments (the cid link) showing the abuse." - taken verbatim from the Moderation Guidelines from the link on the front page of the site!
[08:40:05] <GhostofAristarchus> https://soylentnews.org
[08:40:07] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Happy New Year! We Did It! (I Think) -- Fundraising Update 2021-12-30 ( https://soylentnews.org )
[08:40:29] <janrinok> WASN'T THAT SIMPLE!
[08:41:00] <GhostofAristarchus> It was also done much earlier in this thread, if you had been paying attention.
[08:42:01] <janrinok> You have been intentionally disruptive in several stories about this. GofA there were several claims made - we were trying to sort out which ones you were complaining about. Idiot.
[08:42:50] <aristarchus> If everyone is done suspecting me of being the ghost of me, or vice versa, and suspecting sockpuppets behind every user id on SN, I will be taking your leave. Good morning, all.
[08:42:56] <FatPhil> When did Greece implement its no smoking in public venues law? Some of the reviews of places I went to (and will review eventually) mention a smoky interior even just a year or so ago.
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[08:44:08] <FatPhil> Of course, laws being introduced, and laws being enforced are two different matters.
[08:50:19] <GhostofAristarchus> And the place is overrun by Germans, and ex-pat Brits from Estonia, in the winter months, so is probably why.
[08:51:35] <GhostofAristarchus> Is janrinok really telling me that admin on this site cannot locate spam mods? How many are there?
[08:55:33] <FatPhil> we have a list of them all. that's why you need to identify the one you're referring to.
[08:59:18] <GhostofAristarchus> So how do you all decide which are justified, and which not? This has been an issue since the Spam wars on racism and such.
[09:07:28] <FatPhil> we just compare it to the guidelines. there are of course often grey areas, and we don't always agree, but generally when there's non-agreement, the dissenter only disagrees weakly, and is happy for the majority decision to prevail. At no point have we seen a post/mod that's elicited a "definitely yes" vs. "definitely no" reaction.
[09:09:43] <FatPhil> For example, I was always against the "post is overtly racist => spam" trend. If it's a tired old trope that's being rolled out for no good reason at all, it's spam, but that's spam whether its racism or it's host files.
[09:10:50] <FatPhil> and your whining is starting to look very much like a stuck record, just sayin'
[09:15:00] <GhostofAristarchus> Mine? I am a ghost in all of this.
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[11:32:03] <inz> FatPhil, I found a much slower and complex way to generate those triplets :)
[11:33:06] <inz> The base loop is still O(n²), and what's inside is much harder (also it generates results in different order, and duplicates)
[11:40:55] <FatPhil> hooray!
[11:41:45] <inz> (I tried to find solutions to (c - b) * (c + b - 1) = (y - x) * (y + x)
[11:45:27] <FatPhil> the right hand side is every number not 2 mod 4, surely?
[11:47:51] <inz> yep
[11:49:01] <inz> It looked so good when both sides were a multiplication
[12:30:34] <inz> FatPhil, I did, however, get a ~25% performance improvement with this simple change, does it look correct to you: https://git.inz.fi
[12:30:36] <systemd> ^ 03Optimize - sssms2 - Unnamed repository; edit this file 'description' to name the repository.
[12:30:39] <inz> (ignore the const)
[12:32:02] <inz> If I understand the code correctly, the mrc should do the same thing, but for some reason the perfo difference is clear
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[14:08:45] <FatPhil> inz: the loop stops earlier after your change to <= b . b<=a, so a2b2 is between a and 1.414a. Stopping at b misses an enormous part of that range.
[14:38:55] <inz> Then I've misunderstood the mrc, apparently. I thought it was meant to limit c <= b (i.e. limit c² to a² + b² + b)
[14:41:28] <inz> I get exact same iterations (though only in 1 to 100 range)
[14:42:27] <FatPhil> mrc was the maximum (square) root of c, if I remember my namings
[14:43:53] <FatPhil> oooh, yeah, c <= b was an invariant, I think
[14:44:52] <inz> I've no idea how it can cause such a large performance difference though, the loop is iterated the exact same number of times
[14:44:54] <FatPhil> I used to have c <= b in the original code, the only-use-cs-that-produce-known-squares optimisation came later
[14:45:20] <inz> and it made all the difference :)
[14:46:13] <FatPhil> ah, it's rc <= mrc and c <= b, there's no contradition
[14:49:06] <inz> My only guess for the perfo difference is that it uses less registers
[14:49:49] <inz> (I interpreted rc as "root candidate" and m as max)
[15:06:20] <FatPhil> one fewer sqrtl
[15:08:07] <FatPhil> I'm amazed it makes that much difference, a sqrtl should only cost one iteration out of presumably many of the inner loop.
[15:08:57] <inz> I was presuming so too.
[15:09:08] <inz> But alas, the maximum number of iterations I've seen is 2
[15:09:21] <FatPhil> Ah, shit, then that's why!
[15:09:35] <FatPhil> can we prove it's never more than 2?
[15:09:43] <inz> That is a good question
[15:10:03] <FatPhil> if so, the whole thing can probably be given a big boost!
[15:10:15] <inz> At least in the 200k range, the maximum has been 2
[15:17:34] <inz> I tried to draw (int)sqrt(a²+b²+b) - (int)sqrt(a²+b²) and got lots of zeroes and ones only
[15:18:00] <inz> It could look quite pretty with some colors
[15:30:09] <FatPhil> with b<=a, that's not surprising, the +b barely makes any difference.
[15:31:07] <inz> Even if b grows beyond a, the same result
[15:32:38] <FatPhil> This can probably be attacked in a the same way as an Atkin prime sieve (as seen in DJB's implementation at cr.yp.to).
[15:33:04] <inz> Hmm, actually, it's not 2 iterations
[15:33:09] <inz> it's either zero or one
[15:33:31] <FatPhil> I wish I had time to look at this, as this could be a big breakthrough potentially.
[15:36:01] <FatPhil> numerically, it looks like it takes the number of sqrtls down from <1.625 to <1.125 per middle loop, so a ~30% increase in speed is what you'd expect.
[15:37:40] <FatPhil> with b small compared to a, the chance of a square in that range is tiny.
[15:38:17] <FatPhil> And we know what that square would have to be, based on a (and it will slowly increment as b^2 increases).
[15:39:36] <FatPhil> a^2 < (a^2+1^2) < (a^2+1^2+1) < (a+1)^2
[15:39:42] <inz> Removing the innermost loop yielded essentially no change in perfo (no surprise there)
[15:40:10] <FatPhil> when b^2+b reaches 2*a+1, then the rightmost < becomes false
[15:42:38] <FatPhil> and a potential square will exist. Until b^2 reaches 2*a+1, anad then the leftmost < becomes false, and you need to increment a.
[15:43:04] <FatPhil> This is like bresenham, if you remember that.
[15:44:47] <inz> I may have seen it implemented, but didn't know a name for it
[15:45:59] <FatPhil> known for straight lines, but also did circles, which is like this. Except this is hyperbolic.
[15:46:27] <FatPhil> For that, you want something like Paul Heckbert?, IIRC.
[15:46:45] <FatPhil> Bastard invented and published almost every algorithm I've ever invented.
[15:46:58] <FatPhil> And the cunt had the cheek to do it 10 years before I did.
[15:48:24] <FatPhil> ANyway, DJB's Atkins sieve with the Gilbert? optimisation (it's worthy of being a new algorithm it's a significant enough change) will completely change the big-Oh of this, I'm sure.
[15:48:41] <FatPhil> I just wish I was still as smart as I was 20 years ago, but I ain't. :/
[16:20:14] <FatPhil> Not Gilbert, Galway: https://faculty.math.illinois.edu
[16:20:15] <systemd> ^ 03William Galway's Home Page @math.uiuc.edu
[16:30:13] <inz> https://inz.fi this image I got for 0 < b < a < 1024, white when (int)sqrt(a*a+b*b+b)-(int)sqrt(a*a+b*b-1) > 0
[16:31:11] <inz> It's quite pretty
[16:34:26] <FatPhil> yeah, hyperbolic patterns
[16:35:16] <FatPhil> it's dense enough that there's not an enormous amount of optimisation possible, which is good.
[16:35:44] <FatPhil> but I think *all* the sqrtls can be scrapped.
[16:38:27] <inz> Ooh, OL3 cleared for 30% power testing
[16:38:38] <inz> Can they actually get it plugged in
[16:39:23] <FatPhil> Oh, no - a British company supplied the sockets!
[16:40:29] <FatPhil> In the meantime, elsechan: "Our December electricity bill: 600€. Price of electriciry: 78€. Price of 'transfer costs': 521€."
[16:48:50] <FatPhil> As I understand it, you sign a contact that fixes the electricity cost, and then they fuck you with changes to transfer costs. Yay, free enterprise!
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[17:18:14] <boru> FatPhil; re: stollen, frequenrtly. Why do you ask?
[17:18:40] <boru> They're more common around Yule, though.
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[17:29:00] <FatPhil> boru: one of the things we were looking forward to, as we were flying back through BER, was picking up Stollen, as you can't get it here. Alas, fail. However, Lidl's coming to town, and they used to bring Stollen to Finland, so there's hope.
[17:45:33] <halibut> inz, FatPhil: I think this constitutes a proof that (int)sqrt(a^2 + b^2 + b) - (int)sqrt(a^2 + b^2) <= 1:
[17:45:37] <halibut> If X,Y >= 0 and Y < X, then sqrt(X^2 + Y) - sqrt(X^2) < sqrt(X^2 + X) - sqrt(X^2) < sqrt(X^2 + 2*X + 1) - sqrt(X^2) = (X+1) - X = 1
[17:45:42] <halibut> Let X = sqrt(a^2+b^2), Y = b. Assuming a,b >= 1, then Y < X, and the above shows sqrt(a^2 + b^2 + b) - sqrt(a^2 + b^2) < 1.
[17:45:46] <halibut> The only way truncating the two terms to integers can make a difference of at least 2 is if the two terms have integer components at least 2 apart, which would require a difference greater than 1. Since the difference is less than 1, the upper bound for the difference of truncated terms is 1.
[17:53:00] <FatPhil> halibut: yup, and I think it's "not even close" too. Looks like the limitting density in inz's plot is about 1/2, near the diagonal, which is what the above maths would predict.
[17:53:47] <FatPhil> (OK, the maths predicts 1/2.8, I think)
[18:09:30] <Runaway1956> lol @ FatPhil - NO ONE is as smart as a teenager, I think their intelligence peaks at age 17
[18:10:00] <Runaway1956> if we could all be as smart as 17 year olds, all the world's problems would be solved overnight - if it took that long.
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[18:43:40] <Bytram> =g mark twain when I was ny dad did not know anything about the world when how much he had learned
[18:43:40] <systemd> https://quoteinvestigator.com - When I Was a Boy of Fourteen, My Father Was So Ignorant – Quote ...
[18:44:29] <Bytram> " When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years.
[18:44:30] <Bytram> "
[18:47:10] <Bytram> ...
[18:47:19] <Bytram> "In conclusion, the earliest known attribution to Twain occurs in 1915 and this is rather late because Twain died in 1910. To date, the saying has not been found in Twain’s writings, notebooks, or letters. Quotation experts and Twain scholars are skeptical of the attribution to Twain. QI thanks you for your question and hopes that your relationship with your father is strong and positive."
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[20:47:47] <FatPhil> anyone know lubuntu?
[20:49:49] <boru> Another noobuntu variant?
[20:50:58] <FatPhil> I've just noticed that my Qemu live-lubuntu-from-usb is running UTC, whereas I'd like it know know that it's in timezone Europe/Tallinn. I see nothing in the 'system tools' or 'preferences' seems to let me define that as the system default.
[20:52:00] <FatPhil> it's a lightweight one, not sure exactly what it's missing ubuntu-wise, as I haven't used ubuntu for about a decade. However, I wanted it to be lightweight as it would be running under Qemu, and small as it was running off a USB.
[20:53:06] <boru> Not sure what linux is like now, but the "old" way was to make a soft link from something in `/usr/share/zoneinfo` to /etc/localtime`
[20:53:19] <boru> Or just copy it.
[20:53:32] <FatPhil> Some comparison of ubuntus website claimed it was the best fit for those needs. It needed to be ubuntu-based in order to run the govt's ID card reader s/w in an approved environment.
[20:53:43] <fab23> FatPhil: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[20:53:46] <boru> Ah yeah, I remember you fecking around with it now.
[20:54:09] <FatPhil> g/f went the guru route and got it working under devuan.
[20:54:23] <FatPhil> but I like the sandbox that qemu gives me
[20:54:30] <boru> Aye, reasonable.
[20:55:58] <FatPhil> fab23++ Waaaat?!?!?!? That's the console - ubuntu's not about console it's about click-n-drool!
[20:55:58] <Bender> karma - fab23: 1
[20:56:27] <fab23> FatPhil: you are not able to use the console? :)
[20:57:13] <FatPhil> editing /etc/timezone would have been what I'd have done in my devuan. I was expecting all the gui shit to have provided some gui shit to do the job.
[20:57:44] <fab23> command line stuff is much easier to document and re-run the next time you setup a system :)
[20:58:24] <FatPhil> I'm a great believer that 90% of gui shit should be in a lightweight scripting language that just calls underlying core commandline tools.
[20:58:34] <FatPhil> forks are cheap
[21:00:14] <FatPhil> anyway - the other old-school way worked a treat - thanks!
[21:01:02] <FatPhil> I'm curious why I never noticed before. I've been running this way for about a month.
[21:01:27] <FatPhil> Time is just a dream. Except drinking up time, that's a nightmare.
[21:04:15] <FatPhil> I love how in *ubuntu, the terminal emulator is a "system tool". That tells you the mentality of the ubuntu devs, and their target audience.
[21:11:42] <boru> With all of the colourful button stuff they have that I've seen, it strikes me as being windows for infants, so I can't say that is surprising.
[21:39:35] <FatPhil> play the click-n-drool game, but pretend to be a l33t l1nux user, the magic combo.
[21:40:08] <FatPhil> I insult other OSes more than ubuntu though...
[21:40:34] <FatPhil> Macs are computers for people with one-button brains.
[21:45:19] * fab23 does better not mention the OS he is using on the workstation :)
[21:51:52] <boru> So long as you're not one of those crapintosh users, you'll be alright.
[21:58:20] <AzumaHazuki> FatPhil: you're describing the Unix philosophy there
[21:58:38] <AzumaHazuki> make simple tools that do simple things and do them well, that you can daisy chain
[21:59:00] <boru> Precisely that.
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[22:09:42] <SoyCow6863> LOLZ now somebody on /pol/ started an NCommander thread called "Neckbeards Programming"
[22:10:08] <SoyCow6863> It is kinda ironic how NCommander bashed RMS, now NCommander has embraced the RMS look
[22:10:22] <SoyCow6863> Is he out to usurp the throne of peak FOSS?
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[22:12:36] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: I'm glad you recognise it as such, that is one of the directions I approach things from. Just remember to not bloat your scripting language!
[22:35:25] <Bytram> bbbut, but... after loading in 1 GB of scripting language, the script you are writing only takes a few bytes! :/
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[23:05:51] <Runaway1956> Oh my - I've accomplished something with Linux on the MacBook
[23:06:01] <Runaway1956> Fedora is booted, and mostly working
[23:06:15] <Runaway1956> No internet connection though
[23:07:16] <Runaway1956> Since I don't want Fedora, that will go - BUT - I've worked through a lot of obstacles, including recognizing and formatting the external hard drive
[23:08:03] <Runaway1956> Odd that bluetooth works, but WIFI doesn't, need to research more, I think
[23:33:43] <Runaway1956> Ahhhhhhhh - I forgot about USB WIFI dongles - and they work!
[23:45:34] <Runaway1956> Mmmmmm - dongle is exceedingly slow, and loses connection repeatedly - maybe I need to invest in a new one . . .
[23:45:51] <Runaway1956> Not sure what generation it is, probably G