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[21:51:55] <FatPhil> and they grow at an exponential rate
[21:51:45] <FatPhil> as expected. But the a=b=c will be in the minority
[21:51:16] <FatPhil> oooh - 166464 166464 166464 - that's a Pell's Equation solution
[21:49:10] <FatPhil> Unfortunately, when I went to a brewpub (not ours) earlier, the head brewer was there. And we chatted ... about beers ... that were on tap ... and demanded resampling...
[21:48:15] <FatPhil> bit too tipsy to update the website with the progress, but I've recorded all jan's results for processing later.
[21:47:12] <FatPhil> I only thought I'd get to about 10000 in a day with my prior version of the code (getting to 5000 took an hour, and it was O(n^3)).
[21:45:21] <FatPhil> This reminds me of the days of yore...
[21:44:36] <FatPhil> inz: wowzers - lovely, thank you! doing 400000-600000 on one core, and 600000-800000 on another!
[20:09:59] <inz> it's mostly idle anyway
[20:09:55] <inz> FatPhil, I can borrow you an account on my server, if you need some cpu cycles
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[19:49:35] <janrinok> but I'm calling it a day for now. Speak to you tomorrow.
[19:47:09] <janrinok> Well my really powerful one is also in my bedroom - in fact there are two of them. Same problem with overnight running. The one I am using for tonight is in the cellar.
[19:46:11] <FatPhil> alas, my crappy micro-PC is in my bedroom, so I can't run overnight with the fan all spun up.
[19:45:25] <janrinok> OK, that's running on a slightly slower computer (but not much) - I don't want to have to listen to it all night!
[19:43:49] <FatPhil> I've worked out the maths of another subset of the solutions now. it's just the classic x^2+y^2=z^w-1 problem under a different guise.
[19:42:59] <janrinok> I can give it a try
[19:42:29] <FatPhil> I did 200000-250000 during the afternoon/evening, and I reckon you could slay 250000-400000 overnight.
[19:41:18] <FatPhil> wowsers, nice work.
[18:53:34] <janrinok> do you want me to set another run going?
[18:52:56] <janrinok> It finished ages ago but I was cooking dinner and then eating it!
[18:52:31] <janrinok> time = 1h, 59min, 18,832 ms.
[18:52:29] <janrinok> 5184 5184 186624
[18:52:25] <janrinok> 93103 184431 184431
[18:52:23] <janrinok> 11583 11583 169218
[18:52:21] <janrinok> 166464 166464 166464
[18:52:19] <janrinok> 107635 148515 164274
[18:52:18] <janrinok> 106948 163968 163968
[18:52:17] <janrinok> 16607 53471 163774
[18:52:17] <janrinok> 17160 50041 160128
[18:52:17] <janrinok> 34007 155311 155311
[18:52:17] <janrinok> FatPhil, : 4488 4488 152593
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[16:10:23] <FatPhil> janrinok: has your computer finished the range - it looks like the big-Oh isn't as scary as I first thought and I'm not slowing down horrifically.
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[13:44:59] <janrinok> lol
[13:44:53] <Bytram> I was just trying to debug a program, heard hexchat go beep, and lost my train of thought... yes I need coffee!
[13:42:39] <janrinok> Bytram should be appearing soon clutching his first cup of coffee of the day
[13:39:47] <janrinok> if you have more of these to do tomorrow I can set up a machine that can do 3 jobs in parallel - either smaller individual bounds or 3 different bound ranges.
[13:37:34] <systemd> ^ 03Simultaniously Square Sums of Mostly Squares
[13:37:34] <FatPhil> More explanation: http://fatphil.org
[13:33:33] <janrinok> and if not, it will be ready for tomorrow morning
[13:31:34] <FatPhil> you're 2-3 times faster than me, that might complete by evening.
[13:29:37] <janrinok> I don't know if that gives you any sense of the speed on the new machine?
[13:29:04] <janrinok> 34007 1255311 155311
[13:20:56] <janrinok> One line printed 4488 4488 152593 - so it is running
[13:16:29] <FatPhil> Alas it doesn't print its progress, it's either running, finished, or crashed1
[13:14:53] <janrinok> As sit is not exactly a spectator sport, I'll leave it running and we will see where we get to. If you want an update at any time just yell on here.
[13:12:48] <janrinok> I'll take your word for it
[13:12:06] <FatPhil> the biggest 'interesting' result is that 1550^2+6179^2+70835, 1550^2+6179+70835^2, and 1550+6179^2+70835^2 are all square.
[13:10:48] <FatPhil> I found nothing in the range 100000,150000 so the results are really thinning out :(
[13:09:14] <janrinok> not much to see in the terminal window though
[13:08:54] <janrinok> well, I think it is running on a remote machine now. Certainly the CPU is earning its keep today.
[13:06:30] <FatPhil> I'll fling the problem description at some proper mathmos later today, and they might come up with some real insights which might make this not-entirely-brute-force search redundant, but there's no harm in just ramping up the ranges.
[13:04:17] <FatPhil> this is an "embarassingly parallel" task, you can start multiple paris and give them different bounds (time scales with O(n^2) though)
[13:02:46] <janrinok> I'm just transferring it to a 4 core spare machine that I can leave running for days if you want.
[13:02:28] <FatPhil> arrow keys should let you edit the command
[13:02:00] <FatPhil> Excellent, everything works. If you can change the loop bounds from 1,5000 to 150000,200000 then that should be work for the rest of the day. (I plan to put this little diversion to bed by then)
[13:00:42] <janrinok> last line 4900 4900 4900
[13:00:24] <janrinok> yep
[13:00:18] <FatPhil> you did get 19 lines of results, starting 4 4 4?
[13:00:06] <janrinok> that is using a single core - is there an option for mulitple cores?
[12:59:50] <FatPhil> nice! way over twice my speed
[12:59:25] <janrinok> time = 5.499 ms
[12:59:09] <janrinok> its running now
[12:57:01] <janrinok> *** Break loop: type 'break' to go back to GP prompt
[12:57:01] <janrinok> *** incorrect type in _[_,_] OCcompo2 [not a matrix] (t_POL).
[12:57:01] <janrinok> *** ^---------------------
[12:57:01] <janrinok> *** at top-level: ...%8;for(b=1,a,b8=b%8;f3=f2[1+a8,1+b8];if(f3,a2b
[12:56:26] <FatPhil> I've put a 1-line version of the f2= line for copy-paste too now
[12:55:01] <janrinok> *** at top-level blah blah blah. I'm running it on another machine and it isn't easy to cut and paste to this one
[12:52:23] <FatPhil> 19 results in time = 13,981 ms.
[12:51:59] <FatPhil> I just copied the one-liner (with the 1,5000 bounds, and my gp interpreter's fine with it
[12:50:18] <janrinok> gp shows as sleeping, no CPU work at all
[12:49:52] <janrinok> indicates too many too few ')' at end of line
[12:49:33] <janrinok> syntax error unexpected Send: ,,,+c*c),print)a" "b" "c)))))
[12:46:43] <FatPhil> I've removed the tabs now, but yup, the one-liner is identical apart from the bounds in the loop (it's the range I'm searching now)
[12:45:21] <janrinok> Pasting the f2 line is a none starter - what about the single one-line command?
[12:44:56] <FatPhil> might be literal tab characters
[12:43:49] <janrinok> there is something it doesn't like - I'm just trying to find out what...
[12:42:54] <FatPhil> yup, I've set up the for loop to only scan a small range, for timing purposes
[12:42:16] <janrinok> yep - and just paste in the script?
[12:42:05] <FatPhil> enter the f2=... line, and it should print a matrix as the result.
[12:41:03] <FatPhil> timer = 1 (on)
[12:41:03] <FatPhil> ? #
[12:40:53] <FatPhil> enter ``#''
[12:40:43] <janrinok> k
[12:40:37] <FatPhil> pari's the library, gp's the interpreter sitting on top of it
[12:40:22] <FatPhil> probably the command is 'gp'
[12:39:49] <FatPhil> start pari so you get a prompt
[12:38:06] <janrinok> OK but how do I run that?
[12:36:36] <systemd> ^ 03Simultaniously Square Sums of Mostly Squares
[12:36:34] <FatPhil> http://fatphil.org
[12:25:49] <janrinok> I don't even know what I've taken on...
[12:25:28] <janrinok> not fussed either way
[12:25:09] <boru> janrinok seems really excited to do this, so let him.
[12:24:25] <janrinok> I'm just installing the software now
[12:23:29] <boru> Just use sprunge or some paste site?
[12:23:13] <FatPhil> I'll write a little webpage with copy-pastable stuff...
[12:22:35] <boru> Send it.
[12:22:32] <boru> Probably just pari on BSD, then.
[12:22:12] <FatPhil> On debian-alikes the interpreter package is called "pari-gp"
[12:21:41] <janrinok> FatPhil, I've got several computers doing nothing at the moment. What software do you need. What is pari?
[12:21:10] <boru> Just pari?
[12:20:59] <boru> What do I need to install to run it?
[12:20:40] <FatPhil> a 3 line pari-gp script, that's all
[12:20:09] <boru> And how many cores do you need?
[12:19:47] <boru> No, I meant what you have to run.
[12:19:36] <FatPhil> I'm rocking honking great "Intel(R) Celeron(R) 3205U @ 1.50GHz"s :)
[12:18:12] <boru> What have you got?
[11:50:24] <systemd> ^ 03Return YouTube Dislike
[11:50:23] <FatPhil> https://chrome.google.com
[11:39:59] <FatPhil> Anyone got a spare core they can run some mathematical (Pari/GP) code on for me? My little low power celerons are starting to creak a bit.
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[07:16:32] <systemd> ^ 03Uploads from AronRa
[07:16:31] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: AronRa did a series on the path from the gnarly roots of the tree of life all the way to humans, was 46 episodes long - look for "Systematic Classification of Life" : https://www.youtube.com
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[06:54:55] <SoyCow7385> All the bad aspects of the ********** DNA with all the lack of self-awareness of a fucking Trogolyadyte
[06:52:49] <SoyCow7385> Mexicans are fucking nasty. I have far less respect for them now than I did before,
[06:51:57] <SoyCow7385> Hahahahah then I pack the family up and never take my always-barking, always-shiting family dog to our family gatherings!
[06:51:15] <SoyCow7385> Hahahaha then I drop my trash in front of your open window cuz fuck you!
[06:50:28] <SoyCow7385> ALso, I leave those pets alone a lot so they bark and shit all over the place!
[06:50:07] <SoyCow7385> I Have a family of four crammed into a 1-bedroom apartment with 2 pets!
[06:49:19] <SoyCow7385> Mexicans are purely, "I'M BEING LOUD AND ANNOYING!" "HAHAHAHHA THAT's FUNNY HAHHAHAHAH"
[06:48:41] <SoyCow7385> Mexican hate is well-deserved, even the worst Blacks are capable of behaving when you wanna talk to them.
[06:47:36] <SoyCow7385> I see them how you see me, you hear them talk and wonder, "are they retarded?"
[06:47:09] <SoyCow7385> God, Mexicans are so dumb.
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[05:52:07] <Runaway1956> Amniotes - EWWWW!
[05:51:40] <Runaway1956> I've probably spent 2 hours there, looking at cool stuff
[05:51:24] <systemd> ^ 03OneZoom Tree of Life Explorer, text page for None ( https://www.onezoom.org )
[05:51:22] <Runaway1956> That article is good - and it leads to https://www.onezoom.org
[05:50:40] <systemd> ^ 03“the Google Earth of Biology” – Visually Stunning Tree of All Known Life Unveiled Online: SoylentNews Submission
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[02:52:38] <Bender> karma - deucalion: 43
[02:52:38] <Bytram> Deucalion++
[02:47:40] <Bytram> Tekk: k. thanks for the info!\
[02:47:01] <Tekk> Turns out there's no update on the website yet. I'll hold off a bit longer
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[02:46:20] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: FAQ
[02:46:19] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[02:46:15] <Bytram> The submission page ( https://soylentnews.org ) conveniently has a link to the submission guidelines page ( https://soylentnews.org ) which you might find handy to look over in advance. (hint hint =)
[02:42:38] <Bytram> I look forward to your submission!
[02:42:19] <Bytram> Kewel!
[02:37:07] <Tekk> Oh. I was saying I get html. I've maintained a web page on and off for a long time.
[02:33:14] <Bytram> Tekk: I was relying to your "Mhm!"
[02:22:28] <Tekk> What?
[02:20:18] <Bytram> Tekk: Hmm?
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[02:08:38] <Tekk> Mhm!
[02:07:23] <Bytram> nod nod. Use stories you've seen here as a guide. Use an ellipsis "[...]" to show where text has been omitted. Use <b> ... </p> to set off bold text and <i> ... </i> for italics, and so on. We want to help, so feel free to ask questions here, too!
[01:48:58] <Tekk> Add the context that it's the first release in I think 5 or 6 years now, what's been added, etc.
[01:48:39] <Tekk> Probably better to submit it on the site, thinking about it.
[01:40:50] <systemd> ^ 03New copper surface eliminates bacteria in just two minutes, scientists report
[01:40:50] <Bytram> Example: =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[01:39:21] <Bytram> (2) As for bots, "=submit URL" seems to work the best most often.
[01:38:23] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[01:38:19] <Bytram> Tekk: (1) You can submit the story directly on our site at ( https://soylentnews.org ) but it is a big plus if you know basic HTML.
[01:20:53] <Tekk> FatPhil, I have to be able to get to the site to find the news post first either way :D
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[01:18:24] <FatPhil> Tekk: yup, there are different bots, some have better access to broken sites, some scrape better, it's swings and roundabouts.
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[01:09:00] <Tekk> Slackware 15 came out, I'll submit it as a story once the site's done being slashdotted
[01:08:38] <Tekk> Or is that because people are known?
[01:08:29] <Tekk> To submit a story is it just =sub (url)
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