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[04:54:29] <SoyCow0719> Not all ************** are dumb, but most are.
[04:54:59] <SoyCow0719> Potatoheads, the lot of them. And I'm not talking about the Irish here.
[04:55:30] <SoyCow0719> Besides being good drinking buddies, Irishmen can be trained to perform tasks.
[04:57:02] <SoyCow0719> *********** think it's normal to pick dog shit from their couches and bedding for multiple hours every day
[04:58:16] <SoyCow0719> And we're not talking geriatric pets that have served the family well for 15 or so years
[04:58:36] <SoyCow0719> We're talking dogs in their prime
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[05:04:04] <progo> ******
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[05:41:00] <Subsentient> Yummyyy
[05:41:06] <Subsentient> Dog shit sofa
[05:42:23] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, i'm explicitly scheduled for an 11 hour shift on Sunday...been averaging 15 hours overtime a week too
[05:42:53] <AzumaHazuki> two of the younger girls are off all freaking week and it's busier than a one-legged centipede in an ass-kicking contest in there
[05:56:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Identify Factor in “Young Blood” That Helps Rejuvenate Aging Muscle - https://sylnt.us
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[06:10:13] <aristarchus> Some issues, apparently?
[06:11:45] <chromas> it's that anti-aristarchus 'guy', out raping the servers in their back ports
[06:12:25] <aristarchus> Haven't seen the anti-aristarchus guy in a while.
[06:12:40] <chromas> that's because he's in the back, molesting the servers
[06:13:06] <aristarchus> Well, that is where they like it, or so I've heard.
[06:13:10] <Runaway1956> Huh - I was thinking about that just yesterday - none of your alter egos have appeared in a while
[06:13:59] <chromas> probably had to cum out of the basement to take out the trash and rub mom's corned feet
[06:14:57] <aristarchus> But many of the baby Runaways have been spreading news of carnage and mayhem. Do you know what mayhem is? Kyle is guilty of it.
[06:15:23] <Runaway1956> If you stand on your head and look at the world upside down, I guess
[06:15:33] <Runaway1956> Kyle actually ended some mayhem
[06:16:17] <chromas> lol, still on Kenosha Kyle? That's ancient news
[06:16:54] <Runaway1956> Aristarchus is ancient
[06:17:12] <chromas> Runaway1956: tards like him still think Nick Sandmann was yelling racial slurs on video, even though it's not in the video
[06:17:36] <chromas> and ironically, the video was taken by black people yelling racial slurs
[06:17:44] <Runaway1956> but the vidyas were doctored!
[06:17:51] <aristarchus> Chromas, you are an ignorant moron.
[06:18:06] <Runaway1956> Us ignorant morons rule the world though
[06:18:14] <aristarchus> Runaway, well, you already know, you are an ignorant moron.
[06:18:25] <Runaway1956> why do you kick against the prickles?
[06:18:39] <chromas> I still stand by my statement that literally 100% of every single person I've ever heard unironically say "moron" was a fucking retard
[06:18:41] <aristarchus> Point is, you can't! Like how Hitler made Germany Grate Again!
[06:19:09] <chromas> If Hitler had succeeded we wouldn't have centralized banking
[06:19:16] <aristarchus> We do not use the "R" word, you ignorant, and insentitive, moron.
[06:19:20] <Runaway1956> Hitler was the typical socialist - sell the people on a promise, then fail to deliver
[06:19:44] <Runaway1956> But we do use the "R" word
[06:19:53] <aristarchus> Mayhem, a crime against the Crown. Look it up.
[06:19:54] <chromas> R istarchus?
[06:20:00] <Runaway1956> lmao
[06:20:31] <aristarchus> "Aristos" in Greek means "best", so please try to "Be Best"
[06:20:34] <Runaway1956> I did look up mayhem - it's filled with photos of preogressive idiots wrecking shit, just like Kenosha
[06:20:50] <aristarchus> You lie, again, ignorant moron.'
[06:20:59] <chromas> is that a Trump-style "best"?
[06:21:19] <Runaway1956> https://www.nme.com
[06:21:30] <Runaway1956> Look at the mostly peaceful flames
[06:21:46] <chromas> I thought mayhem was when some guys wandered into the capitol building and took some selfies
[06:22:17] <Runaway1956> So, lemme get this straight in my minds . . .
[06:22:26] <Runaway1956> Ari only came here to insult people/
[06:22:34] <Runaway1956> Isn't that a lot like what EF does?
[06:23:50] <aristarchus> I said, look it up. there is a legal definition of the crime. Not just what idiots think it means.
[06:23:55] <chromas> but EF emits an occasional truth
[06:24:22] <Runaway1956> a jury of his peers said that Kyle committed no mayhem - look it up
[06:24:44] <aristarchus> You are a despicable duck, Runaway! A Texas possum, an Armadillo with no spunk!
[06:24:45] <chromas> But what about those poor child molesters?
[06:24:54] <Runaway1956> Reality must seem harsh to someone like you
[06:25:17] <aristarchus> Mayhem was not charged. He was guilty of the same, however.
[06:25:23] <Runaway1956> Armadillos with spunk often get covered with a layer of road paint
[06:25:38] <aristarchus> Fucking murdering trucker!
[06:26:27] <Runaway1956> Yep, I'm a serial killer, with victims in all 48 of the congruous states
[06:26:57] <Runaway1956> or is that congressional states?
[06:27:06] <Runaway1956> Incogruous?
[06:27:17] <Runaway1956> Oh, wait, INEPT!
[06:27:44] <chromas> well we know someone here is in an incontinent state
[06:28:05] <Runaway1956> Well, after the first thousand years, that's a given
[06:30:40] <aristarchus> Doubt you ever drove the Norther Tier, Runaway! Sounds like you couldn't handle.
[06:30:55] <chromas> I thought you guys called them Tyers
[06:31:04] <Runaway1956> ROFLMAO - don't be such an idjit
[06:31:20] <Runaway1956> I went north in the winter, every winter, by choice
[06:31:45] <Runaway1956> North as far as Halifax and Vancouver and Hudson Bay
[06:31:53] <aristarchus> North Dakota, in February? You tucked your Arkansas tail between your legs and fled south!
[06:32:31] <Runaway1956> I drove from Yakima Valley to Kansas City - on ice all the way
[06:32:57] <Runaway1956> Then continued the same trip to Miami, in rain all the way
[06:33:05] <Runaway1956> Didn't see the sun that week at all
[06:35:13] * Runaway1956 wonders if aristarchus has ever been to sea in real life
[06:35:14] <aristarchus> Trucker tales! Almost as reliable as Fishermen!
[06:35:49] <aristarchus> Samos is an Island, your ignorant moron!
[06:35:50] <Runaway1956> On a nice brisk morning, you fall out of your bunk, put on foul weather gear, and chip six inches of ice off the decks
[06:36:27] <Runaway1956> I've also heard that witches cannot cross moving water
[06:40:52] <aristarchus> Again, what was your most recent gaffe? Romans invading the Isle of Man? Ignorant Moran, Runaway, you keep proving it.
[06:41:38] <Runaway1956> Brits is brits, just like greeks is greeks
[06:42:10] <Runaway1956> Does anyone really care which side of an island, or a peninsula one of them is from?
[06:42:45] <Runaway1956> No one in their right minds, anyway
[06:43:13] <Runaway1956> So, which of the British Isles have you walked on Ari?
[06:43:30] <aristarchus> American total ignorance of geography is no excuse. You rely on Google maps, I take it?
[06:43:49] <Runaway1956> See my last question - I been there
[06:44:29] <aristarchus> Been there, but had no comprehension, as what they used to call an "Ugly American".
[06:44:36] <Runaway1956> It might comfort you to know that Greece hasn't changed much in 3000 years, they men still prefer sheep and little boys to women
[06:45:20] <aristarchus> How would you know that, unless you dabled, hillbilly goat-fucker? Sou-eeee! Sou-eee!
[06:46:10] <Runaway1956> LOL - we got the Big Eye - in Greece, we looked up into the hills to see the Greeks boning their sheep
[06:46:49] <chromas> is that what bone-in means?
[06:46:50] <Runaway1956> To be fair, the Spanish are no better
[06:47:18] <Runaway1956> A virgin sheep is a fast sheep!
[06:47:58] <aristarchus> Arkansas Squirrels! Squirrel! Runaway!
[06:48:10] * Runaway1956 yawns
[06:48:10] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Runaway1956's gaping mouth
[06:48:11] <aristarchus> Tiny, um, parts.
[06:48:22] <chromas> Why are you looking at his parts?
[06:48:28] <chromas> he's not a sheep
[06:48:33] <Runaway1956> he likes parts of course
[06:49:30] <aristarchus> Part is parts, McD's response to the Bugger King's question about what Chick Fil'a was made of.
[06:49:53] <Runaway1956> some parts is more equal than other parts though
[06:49:57] <chromas> I bet he's writing some fanfic right now, where you're the sheep he can't reach to bone-ify
[06:50:25] <aristarchus> But seriously, boys, where are your British masters? Shouldn't they be awake by now?
[06:51:16] * Runaway1956 looks around for boys
[06:51:24] <Runaway1956> Is that one of your racial slurs?
[06:51:41] <aristarchus> Bend over, Colonial!
[06:52:27] <Runaway1956> LOL - Brits complained in the Revolutionary war when the colonials did bend over, lay down, or hide behind a tree.
[06:52:48] <Runaway1956> "Come out and fight our way - stand in ranks and fire volleys!"
[06:54:17] * Runaway1956 notes that nobody from Samos was a Spartan
[06:57:10] <aristarchus> Across the way from Epheseus and Miletus, more philosophers than mindless ammosexuals,
[06:57:44] <Runaway1956> You're jealous that you can't bone a 5" cannon
[06:58:39] <aristarchus> I imagine you did. Did the Bosun's Mate catch you?
[06:59:04] <Runaway1956> The bosun waited his turn like everyone else
[07:00:20] <aristarchus> Naruhodo.
[07:04:20] <aristarchus> 成る程
[07:06:53] <Runaway1956> https://soylentnews.org
[07:06:54] <systemd> ^ 03Scientists Identify Factor in “Young Blood” That Helps Rejuvenate Aging Muscle - SoylentNews
[07:09:19] <Runaway1956> Hmmmmm - Kodi. Doesn't see, won't use USB sound devices.
[07:09:49] <Runaway1956> A few searches reveal that is by design, the Kodi team won't do anything to "fix" it
[07:10:19] <Runaway1956> I could almost swear that the last time I used Kodi it went through USB headphones
[07:11:13] * Runaway1956 examines USB connector to see how it might fit into 3.5 mm jack on back of monitor
[07:14:26] <Runaway1956> https://www.walmart.com
[07:14:27] <systemd> ^ 03Uxcell Black Plastic USB 2.0 Female to Aux 3.5mm Male Jack Connector Data Charge Cable - Walmart.com
[07:14:41] <Runaway1956> Walmart?
[07:18:35] <Runaway1956> Seems like I need an ADC, or just get a different headset/headphone with 3.5mm wire.
[07:19:22] <Runaway1956> But, I'm still stuck on the idea that Kodi used to send sound to USB devices . . .
[07:25:17] <janrinok> Runaway1956 said "none of your alter egos have appeared in a while", my response is that he obviously isn't looking very closely then...
[07:26:27] <Runaway1956> Oh well, I don't read the logs, so I've probably missed his appearances
[07:28:58] <FatPhil> me deblurs his eyes after reading Runaway1956 say "Seems like I need AOC"
[07:29:20] <FatPhil> morning all
[07:29:29] <aristarchus> janrinok tracks me even when I do not show up! Rather flattering. Thinks I can control the dialogue on SN, when actually nothing more than my sharp wit and encyclopedia knowledge is necessary for that.
[07:30:16] * Runaway1956 hands FatPhil a can of deblur
[07:30:56] <chromas> FatPhil: what's wrong with AOC? You a Samsung guy?
[07:31:30] * chromas has an old AOC monitor sitting around somewhere
[07:32:13] * Runaway1956 thinks ADC is Analog Digital Converter
[07:32:19] <FatPhil> Nah, this one: https://preview.redd.it
[07:32:51] <AzumaHazuki> having seen her speak a few times, she's not stupid
[07:33:04] <AzumaHazuki> i disagree with her on a few things but only a few
[07:33:11] <Runaway1956> She sure as hell ain't real bright though
[07:33:51] <Runaway1956> May be a shining star in her mama's eyes
[07:34:17] <chromas> Does your onboard audio not work?
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[07:35:14] <Runaway1956> Onboard audio works, so does HDMI, but I want sound piped to headphones
[07:35:27] <Runaway1956> and the only headphones I have are USB
[07:35:46] <chromas> Do they work outside of kodi?
[07:36:14] <Runaway1956> Yes, they work in everything except Kodi
[07:36:41] <Runaway1956> I can't imagine why Kodi excluded USB sound from their application
[07:36:41] <chromas> also, what's the setup on your kodi box? It may be that your kodi session (if it' snot just a desktop session) isn't starting up pulseaudio/pipewire
[07:36:42] <FatPhil> this is progress: you have an analogue signal you want transmitting. So you convert it to a digital one. And then in order to transmit that digital one, you transmit it as an analogue signal over the same physical medium you started with.
[07:37:09] <FatPhil> not enough wrapping of the signal in XML for my liking
[07:37:30] <chromas> if the headphones are usb that just means they're another sound card. no anal og until the sound gets to the earphones
[07:38:02] <FatPhil> bollocks. USB is electrical voltage changes, therefore it's analogue
[07:38:45] <chromas> thanks, ari
[07:38:59] <aristarchus> For what?
[07:39:02] <Runaway1956> I maybe found something . . .
[07:39:13] <chromas> oh I'm calling FatPhil aristarchus :D
[07:39:24] <chromas> I know, pretty low and mean, but that's me
[07:39:32] <aristarchus> Figures! He is my alter-ego.
[07:39:38] * Runaway1956 offers to be FatPhil's second in the upcoming duel
[07:39:57] <chromas> doubt. FatPhil's made a successful argument at least once in his life
[07:40:13] <aristarchus> And here I thought that FatPhil was backing Runaway this whole time!
[07:45:10] <aristarchus> Digital is just analogue that is broken, you know.
[07:50:42] <aristarchus> Can't hear Runaway no more. Ghost kicked?
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[07:52:33] * Runaway1956 feels a reboot coming on . . .
[07:53:35] <Runaway1956> on second thought, maybe I just need to dump Kodi - there were reasons I didn't keep it last time it was installed
[08:00:30] <aristarchus> Maybe I should keep the usb headphones, and just dump Runaway?
[08:02:18] <aristarchus> And, damn, janrinok has rejected my sub on the botox camels! Thought that was up his alley, so to speak.
[08:03:03] <aristarchus> Noticing almost no member subs are accepted of late, all IRC submissions? Is something up?
[08:04:56] <janrinok> Who do you think submits the submissions we are accepting? upstart is driven by our community.
[08:07:38] <janrinok> I have given away over 30 copies of Arthur. Arthur has lots of different capabilities and I have no idea how it is being used by our community.
[08:09:14] <janrinok> Both upstart and Arthur are preferred by editors because they can both provide stories from a URL, and can carry out much of the routine editing task as personally defined by the users i.e formatting, checking links, etc
[08:10:02] <janrinok> which stories in particular are you referring to?
[08:11:06] <janrinok> The standard user interface is still there for those who are desperate to gain the karma points - but that means that they have to do the work to earn them.
[08:14:06] <Runaway1956> Interesting - verrrrry interesting . . . .
[08:14:38] <Runaway1956> After a reboot, Kodi sees my default pulseaudio USB devices
[08:15:07] <janrinok> ah, the power of switching something off and then back on again!
[08:17:10] <aristarchus> So, the standard user interface is only for gaining karma points? Noted. SoylentNews does not want standard submissions, preferring the cabal that is on IRC. Understood.
[08:17:44] <aristarchus> Her Majesties Repilians are in full control. I need to contact the Doctor.
[08:18:33] <aristarchus> Glad you got your devices working, Runaway.
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[08:18:52] <janrinok> aristarchus - as always we accept submissions that are on topic and relevant top our community. Arthur can be used on a local computer to find, process and make submissions on the user's behalf - for which he will get karma.
[08:19:35] <janrinok> We cannot make it much easier for people to submit. You can get karma in several ways - making submissions is only one of them.
[08:20:26] <janrinok> your opinions appear to be based on ignorance of what is available to help you
[08:21:39] * Runaway1956 is glad he joined the cabal when invitations were being given
[08:24:28] <janrinok> but our most prolific submitters always seem to submit using the standard interface. They actually prefer to put some effort into what they write.
[08:25:55] <Runaway1956> Well, this is first time I've played with multimedia since getting new samsung monitors
[08:25:58] <Runaway1956> nice
[08:26:20] <Runaway1956> they only 1080p, but I see details I never saw before
[08:27:42] <Runaway1956> little things, like scuff marks on helmets, eyelashes in closeups, details, details, details - most of which I ignore anyway, lol
[08:31:23] <Runaway1956> Maybe I watch all of The Expanse again?
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[08:47:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Plans to Take Self-Driving Unit Mobileye Public With IPO - https://sylnt.us
[10:22:56] <Ingar> Runaway1956: is it one of them samsung planned obsolescence models ?
[10:23:03] <Ingar> (samsung monitors are on my blacklist)
[11:04:24] <Runaway1956> I dunno Ingar - will HDMI be obsolete soon?
[11:05:20] <Runaway1956> Even if it's obsolete yesterday, I'll keep on using it. It's just a monitor, not a TV or anything
[11:20:10] <chromas> ooh, class action settlement for Zoom
[11:20:32] <chromas> "Zoom will establish an $85 million Settlement Fund. After deducting Court-approved attorneys' fees (up to $21,250,000) and expenses (up to $200,000), Service Payments for the Plaintiffs, and the costs of settlement notice and administration from the $85 million Settlement Fund, the remaining funds will be made available, if the Settlement is approved, to pay Class Members' valid claims."
[11:21:08] <chromas> Poor attorneys only getting $21 million :'(
[11:21:47] <chromas> I bet I could get five bucks
[11:22:06] <FatPhil> what lie do I have to tell in order to get my check for $1.75?
[11:22:22] <chromas> My housemate got like $20 from the AMD Bulldozer thing
[11:23:37] <FatPhil> everything pales into insignificance when compared to the stimmies though.
[11:29:08] <chromas> yay gibs
[11:31:51] <chromas> ah, $15 if I haven't paid for subscription, $25 or 15% of subscription fees (whichever's bigger)
[11:32:05] <chromas> I think I just have to go to their website and paste in a code
[11:35:57] <chromas> Name, DoB, federal primary key, children's DNA, name my dog after them, heil satan, surrender foreskin, plus a $5 signup fee
[11:38:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TSMC Founder: Pat Gelsinger Too Old to Make Intel Great Again - https://sylnt.us
[11:39:32] <chromas> looks like a pretty standard url
[12:06:32] <FatPhil> means "In Search Of" in swapping/trading communities.
[12:07:41] <FatPhil> Local self-import pub is having a sale of unique beers this afternoon, and I'm massively ISO this little beaut: https://www.ratebeer.com
[12:09:07] <FatPhil> Here's an example response to my bringing that beer to friends' attention earlier today: 11:35 < xyz> ISO
[12:09:37] <FatPhil> and another: 10:32 < ABcde> 0/0 \o/
[12:10:20] <FatPhil> (those are percentiles, for the beer firstly in its style, then amongst all beers)
[12:12:35] <FatPhil> I'm confused, is second-second-life really going to become a thing? https://www.zerohedge.com
[12:12:36] <systemd> ^ 03These Are The Things Real People Are Spending Millions Of Real Dollars On, In The Metaverse
[12:14:26] <FatPhil> headline is misleading. companies, who have conned the public and other greedy companies out of money, are spending millions of real dollars on the things, with the intention to find a bigger tulip fan later.
[12:15:48] <FatPhil> someone needs to dub this with s/money/tulips/ : https://www.youtube.com
[12:15:49] <systemd> ^ 03Idiocracy "I like money"
[13:09:41] <Runaway1956> Big pot of beans cooking, and I'm a little bit closer to achieving my self appointed mission
[13:10:09] <Runaway1956> We have (had) tons of spices in various bottles
[13:10:48] <Runaway1956> I decided to cut down on the clutter, and have emptied about 9, 10, maybe 11 bottles and thrown them away
[13:11:18] <Runaway1956> This morning, I threw three more empty spice bottles in the trash can, and my spice racks are almost orderly
[13:12:21] * Runaway1956 doesn't know what to do with some things, like marjorum
[13:12:32] <Runaway1956> Maybe I put it out for the animals to eat?
[13:17:17] <chromas> Put it in your stew or pizza
[13:18:01] <Runaway1956> OK, that's an idea.
[13:18:18] <Runaway1956> I'll experiment with a stew one day soon
[13:18:36] <chromas> Give it a sniff and you should be able to tell where it fits in
[13:18:55] <Runaway1956> My schnozz? Maybe . . .
[13:19:48] <Runaway1956> I have introduce garlic into almost all the cooking, and use nearly zero salt - that's supposed to be good for healthy, right?
[13:23:21] <chromas> sure
[13:23:30] <chromas> you need at least a little salt
[13:23:33] <chromas> also garlic kicks ass
[13:24:21] <chromas> what are you gonna do with them beans?
[13:37:23] <Runaway1956> I probably going to eat some, and when all the kids troop through the house, they'll eat 'em up
[13:37:52] <Runaway1956> Pinto beans, not made with any particular recipe
[13:51:35] <chromas> Put some in a chili; you can toss in some of your marjoram
[14:10:37] <FatPhil> use marjoram anywhere where you'd think of using thyme
[14:10:58] <FatPhil> including herbal tea, if that's your bag
[14:16:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Airbus Will Build ESA's Ariel Exoplanet Satellite - https://sylnt.us
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[17:07:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSO Software Used to Hack US Diplomats in Uganda - https://sylnt.us - one-person's-hack-is-another's-security
[17:18:09] <Ingar> I always confuse marjorum with rosemary
[17:19:03] <Ingar> but I usually use marjorum in tomato sauces and such
[17:22:02] <Ingar> garlic I only use in large quantities :D
[17:29:14] <AzumaHazuki> garlic is love, garlic is life <3
[17:29:20] <AzumaHazuki> unfortunately garlic is also stinky ><
[17:29:28] <AzumaHazuki> thank goodness for listerine
[17:29:55] <Ingar> it's only stinky for the person who didn't eat some
[17:30:31] <Ingar> not to mention it keeps the vampires out
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[18:45:16] <Runaway1956> My dog lying on the porch with here head hanging off the edge -
[18:45:25] <Runaway1956> I'm thinking OMG somebody shot her!
[18:45:50] <Runaway1956> Open the door, and she just kinda leers at me, "Fooled you!"
[18:50:00] <Runaway1956> https://github.com
[18:50:01] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub - felixrieseberg/macintosh.js: 🖥 A virtual Apple Macintosh with System 8, running in Electron. I'm sorry.
[19:00:25] <FatPhil> easier to curb-stomp a beer like that? why waste ammo, ammo costs.
[19:00:39] <FatPhil> s/beer/dog/
[19:00:39] <SedBot> <FatPhil> easier to curb-stomp a dog like that? why waste ammo, ammo costs.
[19:01:04] <FatPhil> g/f was just delivering a beer to me and describing it. the words crossed streams
[19:01:34] <FatPhil> "revolta" Earl grey IPA non-alcoholic beer, in case nobody cares.
[19:04:44] <FatPhil> woh - smells of pure weetabix. apologies to australians who know the original incarnation of the cereal.
[19:04:49] <inz> that sounds like tea, not beer
[19:05:01] <janrinok> I hope that name doesn't sum the beer up
[19:05:53] <FatPhil> it's an LA, so I'm charitable.
[19:06:22] <FatPhil> revolta is the brewery name - they're "craft" so need an exciting name
[19:06:58] <Runaway1956> exciting names for beer . . . whizzalot?
[19:07:34] <FatPhil> Never underestimate the ability for a craft "brewer" to come up with a stupid name for a beer.
[19:08:14] <FatPhil> this guy: https://www.ratebeer.com - not rated it yet, so you can't see my review yet
[19:08:55] <FatPhil> tonight's sauna night, so we're on the mostly-water drinks now
[19:10:21] <AzumaHazuki> seems a sane-ish Xfce experience is still possible with the gtk3 and libxfce4ui nocsd hacks
[19:10:28] <AzumaHazuki> no idea how long that will remain viable for though
[19:13:11] <FatPhil> All I know is that firefox under lubuntu causes my fucking laptops fans to spin up a 5am for no fucking reason. Dunno what toolkit/libs they use, but it put me in a really bad mood for the day.
[19:14:27] <AzumaHazuki> going to reboot and try this on my actual machine as opposed to vm
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[19:35:36] <Ingar> I usually install lxqt if I need a lightweight desktop
[19:36:24] <AzumaHazuki> i've been using it a lot, and even contributed a couple of the official themes (Clearlooks and Leech)
[19:36:48] <AzumaHazuki> just kind of sad to see what Xfce's become
[19:37:21] <Ingar> every desktop environment seems ending up desstroying itself
[19:37:23] <Ingar> it's weird
[19:37:29] <AzumaHazuki> it's gtk3
[19:37:50] <AzumaHazuki> lxqt has potential to be the new savior, but it needs a few new applets (whisker-like menu, global menubar) and sane defaults
[19:38:57] <Ingar> I don't really like the file manager either
[19:39:06] <AzumaHazuki> i've been somewhat active on that topic at the git discussion boards, but Tsujan seems to be deliberately stonewalling it
[19:39:10] <AzumaHazuki> i love pcmanfm-qt :)
[19:40:56] <Ingar> I'm somewhat spoiled with konqueror
[19:42:08] <Ingar> (KDE is my main linux driver)
[19:44:15] <AzumaHazuki> isn't konqueror long dead?
[19:44:37] <Ingar> it's still there
[19:45:08] <Ingar> I can't stand dolphin
[19:46:04] <Ingar> and the konqeror browser part actually seem to have improved
[19:46:38] <Ingar> (read: it doesn't crash any more on any site I try)
[19:46:59] <AzumaHazuki> what browser engine does it use?
[19:47:19] <AzumaHazuki> qt5 webengine it looks like?
[19:47:42] <Ingar> could be, I have no idea actually
[19:49:12] <Ingar> konq as a browser is mostly accidental use
[19:49:43] <FatPhil> what is a "desktop"? The only things I've noticed that have called themselves that I've noticed so much that they get in the way of what I want to do.
[19:50:08] <FatPhil> X has the copy-paste clipboard, that's all I need, surely?
[19:50:20] <Ingar> FatPhil: stuff like gimp and blender is somewhat difficult in a terminal
[19:50:47] <Ingar> FatPhil: my fvwm95 config was the best ever
[19:51:01] <AzumaHazuki> oh wow, that's before even my time
[19:51:42] <AzumaHazuki> falkon could have been a contender for alternate web browser if only it had ublock etc. and, y'know, had seen development since march 2019
[19:52:36] <FatPhil> who mentioned terminals - I already mentioned X
[19:52:50] <FatPhil> my fvwm95 config was bettar!
[19:53:05] <FatPhil> it had to be, to convert me off twm
[19:53:05] <Ingar> I bet you ran twm and liked it
[19:53:11] <FatPhil> Ingar++
[19:53:11] <Bender> karma - ingar: 8
[19:53:11] <Ingar> lol
[19:53:24] <FatPhil> hi five Ingar!
[19:53:28] <FatPhil> o/
[19:53:32] <Ingar> \o
[19:53:45] <Ingar> should have jumped a bit to the right
[19:54:49] <Ingar> AzumaHazuki: I saw a youtube vid the other day about a guy using gnome's epiphany for a month. according to him, it was rather unpleasant
[19:55:08] <Ingar> browsers are a lost cause
[19:55:17] <AzumaHazuki> unfortunately yes
[19:55:27] <AzumaHazuki> and just as they take over most of what people do on computers, too
[19:55:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Self-Driving -- the Problem of Vanishing Cyclists and Pedestrians - https://sylnt.us - now-you-see-it-now-you-don't
[19:56:05] <FatPhil> I am het grootste licht
[19:56:09] * AzumaHazuki is stubbornly holding onto firefox with some plugins and a little custom CSS to revert that ugly new theme
[19:56:22] <FatPhil> firefox is a moving target
[19:56:37] <FatPhil> I'm on firefox too - something in the high twenties
[19:56:56] * AzumaHazuki grumbles, has to go in on her day off (again, second time in 5 days) because someone called out...
[19:57:32] <AzumaHazuki> while corporate's offering overtime i'll take all i can get. each hour is that much quicker to Canada (I hope). but holy shit. i'm like, the only reliable tech
[19:57:59] <AzumaHazuki> and some of these other women are about my age. they still act like teenagers
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[20:12:25] <Runaway1956> Weetabix gives you nutrients your incredible body needs…
[20:17:51] * Runaway1956 laughs at 'Zumi - being reliable is it's own punishment
[20:38:06] <FatPhil> it brings on more punishment
[20:38:51] <FatPhil> Is Azuma 20-something? Isn't 20-something basically "teenager"? It's just an out-by-one error.
[20:39:14] * FatPhil convenes the first meeting of the grumpy old males society.
[22:12:21] <progo> all browsers that are useful for everyday browsing of the shitpile that is today's web -- they have a core from Mozilla (which is fully funded by Google) or from the Chromium project (which is Google)
[22:12:28] <progo> yes browsers are a lost cause
[22:12:48] <progo> to build a new browser engine would be a moonshot program, not 2 or 3 hackers screwing around for a few weeks like how Git was created
[22:13:47] <FatPhil> to support all those features that are a steaming pile of shit would take a lot of effort, yes
[22:14:05] <FatPhil> what happened to the exchange of information?
[22:14:23] <progo> Drew Devault (Sourcehut) and his friends are trying to create a "new web" built from only software components that can be built by a single pro in a weekend
[22:14:27] <progo> I wish them luck
[22:14:38] <FatPhil> gopher?
[22:14:53] <progo> nah, they've already got gemini (new new gopher) going
[22:15:01] <progo> now they're working on http/html
[22:15:21] <FatPhil> I will confess, gopher's shit, but the thing that came to replace it has become even more shit
[22:15:26] <progo> the new web will have interactive forms and database editing in the browser
[22:18:04] <progo> when I was 20-something an older work colleague who's still a friend now thought I was in my 30s
[22:18:11] <progo> I'm 42 now
[22:19:20] <progo> lemme find Drew's blog post about not-gopher not-gemini
[22:20:20] <progo> https://drewdevault.com describing the problem well…
[22:20:21] <systemd> ^ 03The reckless, infinite scope of web browsers
[22:21:02] <progo> https://drewdevault.com 'visurf' -- a browser built by people instead of a library of congress full of specs
[22:21:02] <systemd> ^ 03visurf, a web browser based on NetSurf
[22:24:46] <progo> https://git.sr.ht a CSS framework for no-js database web applications
[22:24:47] <systemd> ^ 03~sircmpwn/antiweb - sourcehut git
[22:25:37] <progo> that's the important lighlights
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[22:27:09] <progo> ("antiweb" doesn't give you access to a database, but it's something you might use to put a skin on a database access web front-end where you've sworn to support any browser that comes along)
[22:27:37] <progo> probably looks like Sourcehut, which doesn't use javascript
[22:46:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Where Did Western Honey Bees Come From? New Research Finds the Sweet Spot - https://sylnt.us - sweet-results
[23:05:51] <Runaway1956> FatPhil 'Zumi is 30-something - my best guess is 34 or 35 - although I can't pin down how many years ago she stated her age
[23:06:03] <Runaway1956> So, she's an old woman now
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[23:28:14] <Bytram> #smake Runaway1956
[23:28:14] * MrPlow smakes Runaway1956 upside the head with care
[23:29:56] <Bytram> =g A gentleman never forgets a woman's birthday and never remembers her age.
[23:29:57] <systemd> https://www.brainyquote.com - Robert Frost - A diplomat is a man who always remembers a...
[23:31:37] <Bytram> I almost remembered it! "A diplomat is a man who always remembers a woman's birthday but never remembers her age." --Robert Frost
[23:31:45] <Bytram> =)