#soylent | Logs for 2021-12-07
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[00:26:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Thousands of AT&T Customers in the US Infected by New Data-Stealing Malware - https://sylnt.us - if-you-connect-it-to-the-internet
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[03:05:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Another Reason Why Batteries Can’t Charge in Minutes - https://sylnt.us - use-smaller-batteries
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[03:55:29] <Runaway1956> Rubber horse slippers - learn something new every day!
[03:56:04] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[03:56:07] <systemd> ^ 03Horse Drawn Traveller in Britain
[04:02:37] <Runaway1956> I guess these are the same, or near enough for government purposes
[04:02:40] <Runaway1956> https://www.advancedequinecomfort.com
[04:02:44] <systemd> ^ 03Advanced Equine Comfort
[05:56:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - American Diplomats' iPhones Reportedly Compromised by NSO Group Intrusion Software - https://sylnt.us - free-for-all
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[07:22:51] <inz> FatPhil, yeah, seems that marching was the go-to sport this ID6. I didn't though, too sporty for me. :)
[08:36:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World's Second Tallest Building Tops Out in Malaysia - https://sylnt.us - you-might-want-to-avoid-the-stairs
[09:44:47] <FatPhil> ooooh, quail for a lunch special at one of the restaurants today, I haven't had quail for years.
[09:44:50] <FatPhil> #weather
[09:44:51] <MrPlow> Voorimehe, 10146 Tallinn, Estonia - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 18/14F, Humidity: 84%, Precip: 27%, Wind ~5mph. Wed: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 19/10F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Overcast throughout the day." 18/14F, Humidity: 89%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~8mph.
[09:45:44] <FatPhil> Precip 27%?!?!? It's been snowing constantly for 28 hours and shows no signs of stopping. Weather forcasts are derp. Looking out the window is more reliable.
[09:48:42] <boru> Don't eat too much.
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[10:35:52] <inz> FP, send some snow this way too, we have like 2-3 cm on the fluffy white stuff
[10:36:01] <inz> -n+f
[11:34:13] <boru> #submit https://www.timesofisrael.com -- the tail wagging the dog, yet again.
[11:34:15] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:34:40] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:36:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Iron Integral to the Development of Life on Earth and the Possibility of Life on Other Planets - https://sylnt.us - Popeye-had-the-right-idea
[12:27:54] <chromas> Palpatine predicted this
[12:27:58] <chromas> "Ironic, isn't it?"
[12:28:42] <chromas> (Primitive life was created with midi 1.0 chlorians)
[12:34:21] <chromas> https://www.helpnetsecurity.com
[12:34:22] <systemd> ^ 03The threats of modern application architecture are closer than they appear - Help Net Security
[12:34:24] <chromas> "Modern applications and software have evolved as the transition to the cloud was accelerated by widespread digital transformation, as enterprises of all sizes made heavy investments in their technology stacks."
[12:34:31] <chromas> hmm
[13:14:21] <FatPhil> I blame the haemosexuals
[13:16:13] <FatPhil> for primitive life, not application (in)security.
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[14:18:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Imagination Technologies Announces "Catapult" RISC-V CPU Cores - https://sylnt.us
[14:42:15] <chromas> But when will they launch?
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[15:05:02] <Runaway1956> https://9to5mac.com
[15:05:02] <systemd> ^ 03Type 'let it snow' on the Apple Store app for a holiday Easter egg
[15:05:05] <rigrig> Would here and now be an appropriate place and time to remind people that the soylentnews.org certificate is about to expire in a week?
[15:05:21] <Runaway1956> Is it an Easter Egg when Apple charges 99 cents for it?
[15:06:18] <Runaway1956> I'd probably wait a week rigrig. There's more drama that way.
[15:08:03] <FatPhil> rigrig: the guy with the spanner in his hand has been poked, but thanks for the reminder.
[15:08:51] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.anandtech.com
[15:08:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03United States FTC Files Lawsuit to Block NVIDIA-Arm Acquisition" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:09:04] <Runaway1956> So, the US is onboard with the UK now, right?
[15:09:19] <rigrig> cheers
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[15:24:59] <Bytram> ~tell
[15:25:13] <Bytram> #tell
[15:25:14] <MrPlow> #tell <nick> <message>
[15:26:39] <Bytram> #tell rigrig Message about expiring certs received and passed along; thanks you!
[15:26:39] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
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[17:07:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Type of Earthquake Discovered - https://sylnt.us
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[19:10:57] <janrinok> join /#chat
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[19:24:04] <halibut> I am certain you mean: /join #nicechat
[19:24:54] <Bytram> isn't that nice =)
[19:24:59] <Bytram> https://mashable.com
[19:24:59] <systemd> ^ 03Here's why the internet is broken right now
[19:25:34] <inz> centralized internetz for the win!
[19:26:52] <boru> Indeed. They never learn.
[19:28:05] <Tekk> I've come around on cloud providers
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[19:28:16] <Tekk> All day I haven't been able to work and there's nothing I can do about it.
[19:28:18] <Tekk> Thanks Jeff :D
[19:28:18] <Bytram> the *internet* was designed to route around damage; AWS? No so much.
[19:28:46] <boru> Bytram++
[19:28:46] <Bender> karma - bytram: 178
[19:29:01] <Bytram> =)
[19:30:19] <boru> So, I have a confession to make.
[19:30:54] <Tekk> You're the one who pulled the plug?
[19:31:31] <boru> This evening, I started experimenting with gtk4 to see how awful it would be to use it for my electronic logbook program. I am very far away in terms of skillset for GUI design/programming, so I decided to try their XML bullshit and use GtkBuilder to generate the GUI for me, thinking that I can write all of the signal glue around what that produces to drive the rest of the logic.
[19:32:00] <boru> Unfortunately, I seem to have been very successful with it.
[19:32:40] <boru> It is sickly rewarding, and other adjectives which would describe an emetic.
[19:33:14] <boru> For future users: I am so very sorry.
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[19:45:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gene Discoveries Give New Hope to People Who Stutter - https://sylnt.us
[19:46:53] <janrinok> did you sort out that password reset?
[19:47:26] <inz> Whenever I've used the Gtk+ UI builder too, I find that the drag'n'drop phase is annoying, and the generated stuff makes life so very hard
[19:47:51] <boru> Oh, to clarify, this wasn't using glade.
[19:47:55] <boru> This was just writing the XML by hand.
[19:48:36] <boru> From what I read, I don't think gtk4 is supported by glade, and I don't like those pointy-clicky tools.
[19:49:06] <inz> Ah, ok, that sounds reasonable
[19:49:36] <boru> I was going to use Nuklear, but it seems like opengl is going to mostly be replaced by vulkan, which requires _a lot_ of boilerplate code and is very time consuming.
[19:51:21] <boru> I wanted to go that route because GUI stuff is fairly outside my wheelhouse, but I'm trying to implement something to replace the (count now over 70) physical paper logbooks I have for future habits.
[19:54:08] <boru> The idea is to facilitate timestamped log entries which can be searched, but also insert images or draw box diagrams and flowcharts/PCBs/jackson diagrams etc on the fly and have those inserted, also.
[19:55:00] <boru> The premise would be to launch the user's $EDITOR from `env` for individual entries, rather than reimplementing `vi` therein.
[19:55:46] <boru> So, for the graphics, I'd probably look at Cairo, if I were going down the gtk route.
[20:24:59] <chromas> Sounds like you need to setup a MediaWiki instance :D :D :D :D
[20:28:10] <chromas> Also, you could do the xml-gui thing with Qt. If you're doing evil, may as well maximize it.
[20:53:29] * boru shudders.
[20:53:40] <boru> THey have their own XML, right? QML or some such.
[20:56:22] <chromas> and their own css
[20:56:28] <boru> Of course.
[20:57:15] <boru> It's probably stockholm syndrome, but the XML approach is a less frustrating experience than programmatically generating it.
[20:57:22] <chromas> makes sense though. xml doesn't do a lot on its own. even browsers have their own xml
[20:59:07] <chromas> at least with Qt, the widget skin and color scheme are separate
[20:59:54] <boru> I vowed I'd never read or write C++ ever again some time ago, so that precludes Qt.
[21:00:24] <chromas> Nah, just use python or some other language with bindings :D
[21:00:33] <chromas> freepascal
[21:01:23] <boru> Poothon is just C++ for dummies.
[21:02:17] <chromas> you can use the Lazarus GUI tool to poop out Qt, GTK, Wondows & Mac OSsex GUIs
[21:02:32] <boru> There are a bunch of those, aren't there?
[21:02:38] <boru> wonkyWidgets or some such.
[21:03:30] <boru> As I said, this is very much out of my neck of the woods. I had considered ncurses before nuklear, and this segway into giving gtk a shot was merely curiosity.
[21:04:05] <chromas> and now you're enjoying yourself, but hate yourself for it
[21:04:17] <chromas> plus isn't GTK 5 about to cum?
[21:04:30] <boru> I could do the same thing with ncurses, which would just launch $EDITOR and $IMAGEVIEWER as appropriate, but sort of loses the point of a TUI, anyway, requiring X for stuff.
[21:05:11] <boru> Well, not enjoying myself, per se, just admiring the ease with which I've used this feature, compared with my last exposure to using GTK for something.
[21:05:17] <boru> Which was GTK 1 or 2.
[21:05:21] <boru> Or perhaps that was motif...
[21:05:34] <boru> I don't remember. I had managed to almost entirely scrub the experience from memory.
[21:07:05] <boru> And I wasn't aware of another gtk version so soon. Have they turned into mozilla or google with their new major release every week?
[21:07:30] <chromas> I think it's more like PCIe
[21:08:05] <chromas> not super fast releases, but as soon as anyone even hints at supporting the latest version, you come out with the next one
[21:08:56] <boru> Wonderful.
[21:09:32] <chromas> https://blogs.gnome.org
[21:09:33] <systemd> ^ 03“Gtk 5.0 is not Gtk 5” – a lowercase manifesto
[21:09:34] <boru> I'm becoming more convinced that not using gtk is a better idea.
[21:09:35] <chromas> oh hm
[21:11:03] <chromas> oh wait, what was wrong with python? c++ for dummies? Wasn't c just asm for dummies?
[21:11:37] <chromas> it's probably dummies all the way down
[21:11:53] <boru> Yes.
[21:12:00] <boru> With the exception of Forth, which is perfect.
[21:14:19] <boru> I wouldn't consider C to be assembly for dummies, per se. It was intended to make portable programs as opposed to implementing them in a given ISA's assembly language, but it isn't a 1:1 in the same sense as (simple) assembly language.
[21:14:33] <boru> I'd say Forth is marginally closer than C to that.
[21:15:24] <boru> Long story short, all of these languages, including assembly language, are translated. Ergo, all programming languages are for dummies, yes.
[21:15:39] <Bytram> boru: Hmmm, what do you mean by "that" ^^^
[21:15:48] <boru> Which that?
[21:16:09] <Bytram> That "that", ;)
[21:16:42] <chromas> if you're not writing opcodes then you're using a language4dummies
[21:16:43] <Bytram> <boru> I'd say Forth is marginally closer ***than*** C to that.
[21:17:01] <boru> Regarding the last "that": I posit that Forth is closer than C to the 1:1 nature of (simple) assembly language.
[21:17:01] <Bytram> ugh!@!
[21:17:21] <Bytram> that's is! tx!
[21:17:44] <boru> Are you losing carrier? I can't tell if these are statements or AT commands.
[21:17:51] * Bytram needs a break; can barely type
[21:18:04] <boru> Sentences, rather.
[21:18:06] <Bytram> LOL!
[21:18:12] <boru> That's alright. A coffee ought to reboot you.
[21:18:35] <boru> On that note, I'll call it a night, though. I'd rather XML not be the last thing I see before bed...
[21:18:42] * boru absconds.
[21:18:42] <Bytram> ATDT++ HUP (or some thing like it_
[21:18:42] <Bender> karma - atdt: 1
[21:30:57] <AzumaHazuki> XML is like violence; if it doesn't work, you're not using enough of it :D
[22:26:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Concerned About SpaceX, France to Accelerate Reusable Rocket Plans - https://sylnt.us