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[00:53:32] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[00:53:34] <systemd> ^ 03Mariah Carey says she needed 'six grown men' to carry her Christmas dress - CNN Video
[00:53:43] <Bytram> =yt 3tH195XLrWE
[00:53:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Mariah Carey, Khalid, Kirk Franklin - Fall in Love at Christmas (Official Music Video) (05:09; 2,225,520 views; 👍87,490 👎2,404)
[01:47:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Brave New World of Big Tech Antitrust Enforcement - https://sylnt.us - who-governs-whom?
[02:27:09] <Bytram> Meet Scrooge: https://www.cnn.com
[02:27:11] <systemd> ^ 03Better.com CEO fires 900 employees over Zoom
[02:27:57] <Bytram> >>> "If you're on this call, you are part of the unlucky group that is being laid off," Garg said on the call, a recording of which was viewed by CNN Business. "Your employment here is terminated effective immediately."
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[07:37:53] <FatPhil> #weather
[07:37:54] <MrPlow> Voorimehe, 10146 Tallinn, Estonia - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 12/8F, Humidity: 93%, Precip: 27%, Wind ~7mph. Tue: "Overcast throughout the day." 18/14F, Humidity: 89%, Precip: 31%, Wind ~6mph. Wed: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 21/14F, Humidity: 85%, Precip: 18%, Wind ~5mph.
[07:40:02] <FatPhil> local forecast says -17C. My nose can tell the difference.
[07:40:26] <chromas> The nose knows —EF
[07:40:46] <chromas> I tried to upthumb your beer rating but it says "something went wrong"
[07:40:59] <chromas> Probably can't execute the needed js to see if I'm logged in
[07:46:34] <chromas> "Among those fired were the diversity, equity and inclusion recruiting team."
[07:46:38] <chromas> nothing lost there
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[09:42:09] <FatPhil> if they're laying people off, *none* of the recruiting team is needed any more.
[09:42:30] <FatPhil> however, they'll need to form a new diversity, equity, and inclusion layoff team
[09:48:32] <FatPhil> "22 minutes instead of ... one second – an increase of more than 1000 percent."
[10:05:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Newly Unearthed Dinosaur Evolved "Large Tail Weapon" Unlike Any Other - https://sylnt.us - that's-gotta-hurt!
[10:19:48] <chromas> from the bonersaurus-wrecks dept.
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[11:36:58] <FatPhil> nose and legs said ~-10C, but thermometer outside the shopping centre said -14C. But definitely not -17C
[11:37:13] <FatPhil> now, some suicidal DIY to add some excitement to the afternoon.
[11:52:30] <inz> FP, will you make the news if you fail spectacularily?
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[12:17:35] <FatPhil> not in a season of jack-knifing lorries, nope.
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[12:25:01] <wetfish> hello
[12:25:40] <janrinok> hello
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[12:43:54] <chromas> since you call "trucks" "lorries", does that mean they're driven by "lorriers" who go "lorrying" away?
[12:47:41] <janrinok> no, we call them drivers
[12:48:03] <janrinok> :)
[12:50:17] <janrinok> do you also have cariers, busiers and tractoriers?
[12:51:24] * janrinok giggles at the numerous other forms of transport'iers'
[12:56:31] <FatPhil> planers
[12:56:59] <FatPhil> I've just had to fill in a form in order to get permission to fill in a form.
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[12:57:44] <boru> Sounds like Germany, though you Brits do love your bureaucracy, as well.
[12:58:12] <FatPhil> I can believe it's forms all the way down, but this is EU, not UK
[12:59:52] <janrinok> FatPhil - welcome to France, oh they do that in Estonia too, do they?
[13:00:48] <janrinok> You have got another level of nesting to go to equal the worst of French bureaucracy
[13:01:39] <FatPhil> I'm attemtping to cross the italian and greek borders in the next 2 weeks
[13:01:56] <FatPhil> I suspect I'll have to do one for germany too, as we return via berlin
[13:02:59] <janrinok> is this some kind of Christmas challenge? Should we expect to see you anytime before March?
[13:03:37] <FatPhil> Depends how much I like greece
[13:04:36] <FatPhil> the only reason we're doing the italian forms is because we have to leave the secure area between connections as we have to check in again, because hassle is apparently fun.
[13:04:50] <FatPhil> ditto germany, I think.
[13:06:08] <boru> Sounds about right.
[13:07:06] <FatPhil> I'll create a documentary on tiktok. I shall title it "one holiday eight forms"
[13:07:27] <janrinok> as long as they don't each demand 14 days of isolation as you enter and leave 'each country'
[13:08:08] <janrinok> do you need any tests for covid/omicron at all?
[13:08:28] <FatPhil> as we have completed vax courses, that's enough
[13:08:51] <janrinok> just leave the UK out of your itinerary then
[13:08:57] <FatPhil> However, I'm very tempted to book a test for 2 days before we leave, just so I have 2 bits of "this should be enough"
[13:09:20] <FatPhil> At least
[13:09:35] <FatPhil> I'm a UK citizen, I'm no longer an EU citizen - UK might be easier
[13:09:39] <janrinok> can't have too much paperwork can you?
[13:09:58] <FatPhil> I have paperworkaphobia. This is worse than getting the wuflu.
[13:10:04] <janrinok> lol
[13:10:49] <janrinok> I've just been granted formal French residency
[13:11:15] <FatPhil> Germany looks like it has a red list, and bizarrely toxic ole Estonia ain't on it, so no paperwork for that leg.
[13:11:27] <janrinok> that took 10 months to sort out despite being 'fast tracked'
[13:12:10] <FatPhil> the staff just kept shrugging their shoulders handing the forms to each other saying "pffff, but why would 'e want to?"
[13:13:16] <FatPhil> Now, give Breizh independence, and you might have a reason.
[13:14:24] <janrinok> we are working on it - surprising how many more people now speak some Breton compared with when I arrived almost 15 years ago.
[13:15:06] <janrinok> several schools in the area are Breton as a first language
[13:15:54] <FatPhil> that's good to hear.
[13:16:04] <janrinok> I suppose it is a bit like Wales and Scotland - but nobody understands the Scots even when they are speaking English
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[13:28:00] <janrinok> looks like the start of storm Barra is almost here
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[15:07:14] <Bytram> janrinok: "I've just been granted formal French residency" -- congratulations!!!!!!
[15:18:05] <Bytram> "nobody understands the Scots even when they are speaking English". Worked on a project for F1. Had an intense tech discussion with a fast-approaching hard deadline (race day). We were 3 Americans, a Cockney, an Aussie, a Scott, a Londoner, and maybe another. We were all speaking in "English" kinda, sorta. Toss in an occasional "brilliant!", "bloody", and other regionalisms. That was very... "interesting", to say the least! Thankfully,
[15:18:05] <Bytram> we were able to sort things out!
[15:18:38] <Bytram> =g storm Barra
[15:18:39] <systemd> https://www.bbc.com - Storm Barra: Severe weather warnings for wind and rain issued ...
[15:21:56] <Bytram> Best of luck to all who are affected!
[15:27:24] <boru> Or as we call them in Ireland, "A bit of rain and wind"
[15:28:03] <boru> Once again, I have to laugh at the new system for naming the storms. All it does is give the media bottomfeeders something to sensationalise.
[15:28:33] <FatPhil> I love how Cork and Kerry are "uk-northern-ireland" - has Stormont just taken gerrymandering to the next hyperdimensional level?
[15:29:18] <boru> It's the BBC. They always do that.
[15:30:13] <boru> In fact, the education system there is to blame.
[15:30:24] <Bytram> naming of hurricanes is not new ... goes back a long time
[15:30:36] <boru> It is on the Western Atlantic.
[15:30:36] <Bytram> =w hurricane names
[15:30:37] <systemd> Hurricane Committee. These lists skip the letters Q, U, X, Y and Z, rotate from year to year and alternate between male and female names. The names of - https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:30:44] <boru> Eastern Atlantic, rather.
[15:31:12] <boru> I'm well aware that north american names them, but they actually do damage there.
[15:32:11] <boru> Given the prevalent weather systems which affect the north atlantic, it's only rarely that a gulf hurricane moves toward Europe.
[15:32:35] <boru> We do, however, get minor storms frequently. Ergo, I consider naming them a farce.
[15:32:43] <Bytram> "damage", oh yeah! I've survived a couple.
[15:33:28] <boru> They love to show waves hitting coastal towns in Cork, Kerry and Galway, but in those places, this occurs every few weeks.
[15:33:39] <Bytram> boru: point made; makes sense!
[15:36:17] <FatPhil> But they're still quite impressive - the water's just pure milk as it's whipped up into such a froth. It's one of the memories of Ireland that has stayed most clearly in my mind.
[15:37:16] <Bytram> =g hurricane gloria
[15:37:16] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Hurricane Gloria - Wikipedia
[15:37:56] <FatPhil> =yt them gloria
[15:37:57] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Them Gloria (02:46; 467,748 views; 👍5,253 👎124)
[15:38:19] <FatPhil> nah
[15:38:26] <FatPhil> =yt patti gloria
[15:38:26] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Patti Smith - Gloria (Audio) (05:57; 3,692,353 views; 👍30,155 👎1,216)
[15:38:27] <boru> There's a few especially nice spots for that, if you're back again; my neck of the woods: Achill, or go further source to Clifden, or north to Belmullet.
[15:39:07] <boru> Plenty of wild, natural beauty to see around the part of the world.
[15:40:08] <boru> Lots of mesolithic and neolithic spots as well.
[15:40:34] <Bytram> I was, at the time, in the area of the storm that saw an F1 tornado. Saw 200-year-old trees that were 3-feet (1 meter) thick that were dropped all over the place/
[15:40:52] * FatPhil pulls up openstreetmap
[15:41:44] * Bytram pulls on FatPhil's leg
[15:44:30] <FatPhil> Thinking about it, the most impressive storms may have been in Dingle Bay.
[15:44:56] <boru> Aye, Dingle's a nice place.
[15:45:44] <Bytram> my apartment complex (~1,000 units) lost power for a week, and we were in a highly-developed area, too!
[15:46:39] <Bytram> break time
[15:54:33] <FatPhil> we've had a few localised powercuts here recently. Almost nothing has affected us significantly, but I get the feeling that we're a little bit more fragile than we're prepared to admit.
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[16:58:58] <Runaway1956> Bytram - I asked for directions from an old guy on the Isle of Man. I never understood a single word he said. I suspected that he might be making nonsense gibberish noises just to screw with the American sailor, but no way to prove that.
[17:00:54] <boru> They speak Manx there. Why shouldn't they speak their native tongue?
[17:01:37] <Runaway1956> They can speak whatever they want, but it was total nonsense to me, whatever he was speaking.
[17:01:42] <boru> You north Americans are the same everywhere when you go abroad. You expect everyone to speak English.
[17:02:16] <Runaway1956> I have better luck speaking to Portuguese, Spanish, French speakers
[17:03:17] <Runaway1956> Germanic speakers can even make sense, but the guy on Isle of Man was out in far left field.
[17:03:31] <boru> Well, they don't speak those on Ellan Vannin, old chap.
[17:04:02] <Runaway1956> obstructionists
[17:04:14] <boru> Preservationists.
[17:04:53] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah, there was also Kobenhavn - - - no one spoke English, but I was later assured that EVERYONE learned English in school
[17:05:35] <boru> That's not true, but if it were the case, why should they?
[17:05:53] <Runaway1956> Why shouldn't they?
[17:06:00] <boru> Why didn't you learn Danish?
[17:06:11] <Runaway1956> Because I was the ousider, lol
[17:06:19] <FatPhil> the chances of meeting a manx speaker are pretty low, it's very much a minority language.
[17:06:36] <boru> I think it the utmost disrespect to travel to another country and not be able to speak any of their language.
[17:06:52] <AzumaHazuki> agreed
[17:06:58] <boru> It becomes a minority language when people don't speak it.
[17:07:05] <AzumaHazuki> hence why i'm learning some britishisms before going to canada
[17:07:07] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I've heard that theory boru - right here in the US from people who can't or won't speak English
[17:07:49] <Runaway1956> I'm impressed! 'Zumi is learning a few words like bloody and wanker
[17:07:58] <boru> People have been speaking Manx tens of times longer than your country has existed.
[17:08:09] <boru> If not hundreds, in one shape or another.
[17:08:32] <Runaway1956> Is probably why they couldn't defeat the Romans, lol
[17:08:41] <boru> Same goes for the people who originally settled the Americas.
[17:08:51] <FatPhil> they didn't mind their Ps and Qs well enough
[17:09:01] <boru> Who couldn't defeat the romans?
[17:09:24] <boru> The Celts stopped the Western advance of the romans.
[17:09:28] <Runaway1956> All those people in the British Isles - Romans walked wherever they wanted
[17:09:38] <boru> Hadrian had to build a wall.
[17:09:39] <FatPhil> even the bloody romans defeated the romans, eventually
[17:09:41] <Runaway1956> most of the time anyway
[17:09:44] <boru> Read a book.
[17:09:50] <FatPhil> a wall 2 foot high!
[17:09:51] <boru> Your ignorance is appalling.
[17:10:10] <Runaway1956> I had a pall once, sold it at a flea market
[17:10:38] <Runaway1956> luckily, I got out before the RIAA raided the flea market
[17:11:58] <boru> The romans never even came to Ireland after they met the Scots.
[17:12:13] <boru> You must be getting your historical knowledge from hollywood.
[17:12:14] <Runaway1956> I was waiting for you to point that out, lol
[17:12:31] * Runaway1956 doesn't watch Hollyweird
[17:13:23] <Runaway1956> Next, you'll be telling us how wonderful Wales is
[17:13:43] <Runaway1956> The land time forgot or something like that
[17:14:08] <boru> You're being very stereotypical.
[17:14:43] <boru> How do you quantify how great a place is? By how many Mc Donald's restaraunts it has?
[17:14:57] <Runaway1956> Good God NO!!!
[17:15:30] <Runaway1956> I've witnessed regional and cultural uniqueness being erased right here in the US over the last 60 years
[17:15:40] <Runaway1956> having a McDonalds is anathema to culure
[17:16:48] <FatPhil> inz: happy fuck the foreign imperialist scum day!
[17:16:48] <Runaway1956> In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that a McDonald wasn't responsible for the downfall of Rome, and Greece
[17:17:29] <Runaway1956> Were there any McDonalds around in the days of Carthage?
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[17:35:06] <chromas> Add AppImage and Snap to that list of one
[17:36:07] <Runaway1956> I've never messed with either of those
[17:36:22] <chromas> They're all basically the same thing
[17:36:55] <chromas> "Hey gaiz, instead of statically linking, let's just package up a whole entire mini-distro and distribute that!"
[17:37:48] <boru> Well, to be fair, you don't need to statically link, either.
[17:38:26] <chromas> it would solve whatever problem they think they're solving
[17:38:53] <chromas> which would be using random libs that don't match versions with the distro
[17:39:47] <chromas> You've got libjpeg-1.2.11.3? But I need libjpeg 1.2.11.3-2!
[17:39:52] <Runaway1956> The thing is, even after downloading all the cruft that's supposed to make the app work - it still doesn't work
[17:40:02] <Runaway1956> and there's no easy way to find out why it doesn't work
[17:40:24] <chromas> Avoid that shit at all costs. Find a PPA if you're on the ubuntus
[17:40:43] <Runaway1956> And, I don't see any way to UNINSTALL the app that doesn't work
[17:40:45] <chromas> or debian, which is the same thing
[17:41:02] <chromas> far as I know you're supposed to just be able to delete the container file
[17:51:08] <Runaway1956> flatpak uninstall --all
[17:51:23] <Runaway1956> and sudo flatpak uninstall --all
[17:51:46] <Runaway1956> Don't ask me how super user ended up with flatpaks installed
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[18:55:45] <inz> FP, thanks; although this year the national sporting event of queueing is cancelled again
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[19:26:33] <Bytram> Runaway1956: So, if I understand you correctly... you were listening with an accent?
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[22:29:00] <FatPhil> inz: so you're taking up marching instead?
[22:29:29] <FatPhil> it's like queueing, except the front just continues to move forward
[22:31:21] <FatPhil> Looks like your Track and Trance App works really well though.