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[00:02:44] <systemd> ^ 03Stephen Sondheim, master of musical theater, dead at 91, NY Times reports
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[07:58:08] <chromas> How about letting us watch the sky from here and put the internets on the moon?
[09:03:36] <chromas> https://i.imgur.com
[09:30:12] <SoyGuest95935> erm?
[09:31:06] <janrinok> you wouldn't want to eat a hotdog which had an STI would you?
[09:31:51] <SoyGuest95935> technically true
[09:32:27] <janrinok> the likelihood is pretty low, I'll give you that, but better safe than sorry...
[09:32:45] <janrinok> Have you finished your trial by turkey yet?
[09:33:07] <SoyGuest95935> fortunately that lasted only one lunchtime
[09:33:26] <SoyGuest95935> I ran away before she roped me into helping her with her bills.
[09:33:49] <chromas> You guys don't like ribs?
[09:34:07] <janrinok> turkey ribs or hotdog ribs?
[09:34:44] <SoyGuest95935> which means I'll need to help her with her bills tomorrow, i'm guessing
[09:35:10] <janrinok> chromas ...and the answer would be 'No' having seen the food preparation
[09:35:30] <janrinok> FP, well that will be Sunday taken care of then
[09:37:18] <janrinok> chromas, I often wonder why somebody actually goes to the effort to produce a image like that (assuming it wasn't you of course - for some reason I wouldn't be quite as puzzled)
[09:37:49] <chromas> For entertainment purposes only
[09:38:04] <janrinok> of course, never doubted it
[09:38:13] <SoyGuest95935> I think I'll try to train her to use ID card authentication, because that means she only needs one PIN for all the banks. But the banks' websites are so freaking terrible, she'll still get confused.
[09:39:12] <janrinok> FP, is that still secure or do ID cards never get lost?
[09:39:30] <SoyGuest95935> she's not at that stage yet, fortunately.
[09:39:40] <chromas> The 45 GB of javascript imports is probably a bigger concern though
[09:42:08] <SoyGuest95935> I keep leaving my ID card in the reader at home, as I have to log into the bank a couple of times per day. Which makes validating my vax pass a little tricky.
[09:44:00] <SoyGuest95935> I've noticed that as people get older, responsible for more things, owning more things, that their keyrings and wallets swell. I have a keyring with 2 keys on, and a wallet with 3 cards in. I really ain't good at this game.
[09:46:35] <chromas> Sounds like you're just irresponsible. Gotta up those numbers
[09:50:19] <janrinok> I'm the opposite - I am having to buy a man-bag to carry all the crap that I am supposed to carry in French society. It's only a little man bag, but still...#
[10:00:16] <SoyGuest95935> so france has turned you ghey? who'dathunk!
[10:00:59] <SoyGuest95935> chromas: my plan is to get more and more irresponsible over time. Alas, I have not far to go, using that metric.
[10:01:40] <SoyGuest95935> Did I mention that one of the cards is just the discount card for the brewpub, not even a real card, and not even needed because the staff know my face.
[10:04:04] <SoyGuest95935> 1 ID card, and 1 bank card. That's it. Not a real man. :/
[10:11:07] <janrinok> UK and FR debit cards, medical cards, latest prescription, identity cards, driving licence, money (can't pay fines with cards - so you have to carry some. Never needed to pay yet.), phone, keys ....
[10:11:58] <janrinok> I've been using a small back pack but it isn't very convenient.
[10:15:44] <janrinok> I've just been told that there should be no on-the-spots fines except for drug use in France. Carrying money was the least of my problems though.
[10:18:24] <janrinok> ... and a quick internet search claims that on-the-spot fines for some motoring offences are valid, but usually only given to foreigners.
[10:23:49] <chromas> Time for cargo pants
[10:25:31] <janrinok> Got them, used them. But for more 'formal' wear they are unsuitable.
[10:26:33] <chromas> Cargo slacks
[10:27:03] <chromas> or a Batman belt
[10:27:43] <chromas> As an American, I just stuff all my cards and things in between shells on my bandolier
[10:28:00] <janrinok> lol
[10:35:56] <SoyGuest95935> medical card is id card. I don't drive. even the little old russian ladies at the market take plastic, so no cash needed.
[10:36:53] <SoyGuest95935> Oooh, I just checked, I do have a 4th card. It's my ID card for crowdfunding another brewery, so I can get a discount in the pub that closed down a year ago.
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[11:05:48] <SoyGuest95935> anyone running xdm?
[11:18:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Heavily Mutated Coronavirus Variant Puts Scientists on Alert - https://sylnt.us - constant-mutable
[11:25:05] <chromas> Time to quadruple mask and social distance to twelve feet now
[11:48:37] <SoyGuest95935> does anyone else live somewhere that has a direct vote on what the government spends some of their budget on? we've just had our list of proposals published, we can vote in the next couple of weeks.
[11:51:35] <SoyGuest95935> the idea started in the very progressive town of Tartu ages back, we've only started it in the last year.
[12:23:13] <SoyGuest95935> janrinok: do you phone the UK often? I just got my phone bill and a half hour chat with my dad a few weeks back cost over 100e!
[12:25:19] <SoyGuest95935> he voted leave, so he can call me from now on - this his folt!
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[13:42:53] <janrinok> FatPhil, I phone all the time, and I rarely have a monthly bill higher than €35 - but that is using a FR phone and there is no extra charge for calls within the EU (which inexplicably still includes the UK)
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[15:00:47] <janrinok> It might be that Estonia has removed the UK from the list of EU countries - correctly according to the current situation - and you are now deemed to be dialling the ROW at a higher rate.
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[17:17:33] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://hothardware.com from the stay-cool dept.
[17:17:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Make Your M1 MacBook Air Perform Like a MacBook Pro With This Quick and Easy Thermal Mod" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:18:48] <AzumaHazuki> not that i'd ever get a mac even if i did have the money for it. this is just lulzy
[17:22:57] <Runaway1956> Anyone have any experience with curved displays? I suspect multiple displays would probably be great.
[17:27:51] <Runaway1956> Of course, any pair of matched displays would be an improvement on what I have - a 31" and a 24" are somewhat inconvenient
[17:31:31] <Runaway1956> https://www.samsung.com
[17:31:33] <systemd> ^ 0327" Essential Curved Monitor for the ultimate immersive viewing experience LC27F396FHNXZA
[17:34:15] <Bytram> =g TCL 43S515
[17:34:15] <systemd> https://www.tcl.com - TCL 43" Class 5-Series 4K UHD Dolby Vision HDR Roku Smart TV ...
[17:34:49] <Runaway1956> 43" Isn't that for like across-the-room viewing?
[17:35:40] <Runaway1956> I already crane my neck a little to see the 31"
[17:38:38] <Bytram> Runaway1956: ^^^ this is my current monitor for my laptop, but running at just much lower resolution... checking now
[17:39:56] <Runaway1956> How does that work for real estate? Reduce the size of windows, place them conveniently, and still see everything clearly?
[17:40:29] <Runaway1956> I imagine a full screen browser, for instance, would be awkward
[17:42:35] <Bytram> running at 1920x1080 as that is the highest resolution that Ubuntu Mate allows me to select given the internal hardware on my (ancient) laptop
[17:44:08] * Runaway1956 wonders if there might be some kind of converter to adapt the signal
[17:44:25] <Bytram> wish I had more pixels, but as I get older, I have lost some visual acuity so it works out okay, for now.
[17:44:31] <Runaway1956> of course, that would cost money better spent on a newer laptop, probably not worth it
[17:46:09] * Bytram notes he got the (used) laptop for only $25 at a thrift store. Has been working out okay for a couple (?) years, for now.
[17:46:33] <Bytram> 'zactly!
[17:46:46] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I 'member you talking about it - didn't mean to demean your machine any
[17:47:54] <Bytram> No offense taken. =)
[17:48:07] <progo> Wowsers! Desktop computer display running at 1080p is 43 inches?
[17:48:15] <progo> That's too big
[17:48:16] <Runaway1956> Thinking back - I don't believe I've ever owned a new monitor, lol
[17:48:36] <Bytram> Woo Hoo! <MrPlow> #fite Bytram level: 12345, hp: 6077, weapon: 'pointy===============spear', armor: '...'
[17:52:02] <Bytram> Got a 43" TV on sale. Have limited space. Almost never watch TV (except videos I downloaded, e.g. from YouTube). Works for me!
[17:52:13] <Runaway1956> What you think? 2 of these side-by-side should be pretty awesome, huh? https://www.ebay.com
[17:52:14] <systemd> ^ 03Samsung LC27F396FHNXZA-RB 27" Essential Curved Monitor - Certified Refurbished
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[17:52:37] <Runaway1956> refurbs are cheap, lol
[17:54:24] <Bytram> caution: cheap !== just inexpensive. Suggest if they are cheap enough, consider getting 3 so you gave a spare if (when) one dies.
[17:54:39] <progo> My big buy this week is a refurb corporate desktop from staples to upgrade me out of a raspberry pi
[17:54:46] <Runaway1956> Not a bad idea
[17:55:00] <Bytram> =)
[17:55:10] <progo> Eta for delivery at store is 13 days!
[17:55:49] <Runaway1956> 13 days seems a long time - but I've been promised 2 to 5 day delivery, and waited that long anyway
[17:56:10] <progo> $380 for a 6th gen Intel core i5, 16gb ram, 1tb ssd. In a small desktop chassis. Lenovo
[17:56:35] <progo> Windows included and non optional. Blegh
[17:56:39] <Runaway1956> Not bad progo
[17:56:57] <progo> My raspberry pi can't drive my 27
[17:57:08] <progo> 28 inch display at 4k for the desktop
[17:57:22] <progo> It bogs down the cpu
[17:57:26] <progo> Same bus
[17:57:34] <Bytram> since the laptop was so cheap at the thrift store $25 each), I bought 4 of 'em, but only really use one of 'em. OTOH, I replaced the internal hard disk with a 1 TB Sansung SSD.
[17:57:43] <progo> The core i5 6th gen can do 4k
[17:58:09] <Runaway1956> SSD for the win - with spinning drives, it took half a day to boot this monster
[17:58:18] <progo> Or... it's gpu coprocessor if it's a separate chip
[17:59:43] * Bytram has: Intel® Core™ i5 CPU M 540 @ 2.53GHz × 4
[17:59:46] <Runaway1956> Still have the RAID array on spinning hard disk, but at least the computer boots almost instantly after the BIOS check
[18:01:26] <progo> Should I try kde on my new desktop?
[18:01:39] <progo> Been using MATE. It's start menu is janky
[18:01:44] <progo> Its
[18:01:51] <Bytram> unfortunately, RAM is quite limited: ( 3.6 GiB ), but (mostly) seems to do the job!
[18:02:28] <progo> I haven't tried kde since the kde 4 debacle
[18:04:10] <Bytram> FWIW, I am on: Release 20.04.3 LTS (Focal Fossa) 64-bit; Kernel Linux 5.4.0-90-generic x86_64; MATE 1.24.0
[18:05:30] <Bytram> Sure, I'd like bigger/faster but it seems to do 95% of what I throw at it without complaint.
[18:06:07] <progo> I have a low power hp stream netbook with similar specs running the same os and desktop. No complaints
[18:06:43] <progo> The only big issue in today's information world on low power machines is the fucking YouTube default player
[18:06:55] <progo> Literally everything else runs fine
[18:07:38] <progo> These old low spec machines play 720p videos fine. But YouTube takes 15 seconds to boot up the page
[18:08:03] <Bytram> FWIW, this is the fastest, biggest system I've ever had... an I still have been quite productive: ( https://soylentnews.org )
[18:08:04] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: Authors
[18:08:07] <progo> And some shopping sites are that bad too
[18:08:52] <Bytram> yup. noscript FTW!
[18:09:08] <Runaway1956> agree with progo that Youtube has a lot of suck to it
[18:10:51] <Bytram> I D/L video and watch local. delayed gratification works for me. yt-dlp FTW!
[18:11:24] <boru> FWIW, you can drag the URL to a play like mpv, and play it as it streams.
[18:11:31] <progo> I've been using freetube fat desktop app. You boot it up once and leave it running
[18:11:36] <boru> (Since it uses yt-dlp underneath)
[18:12:45] <progo> I looked at installing invidious but that looks really sysadmin-hostile and full of dockers
[18:15:27] * Bytram has limited RAM (see above), so discreet operations and minimal resident apps (HexChat, Thunderbird, Firefox, and some terminal windows is about it for me)
[18:19:58] <Bytram> Heh, "limited" RAM at ~ 4GB. My first several computers had << 1 GB of offline storage!!!
[18:21:13] <Bytram> break time
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[19:05:57] <janrinok> Runaway1956, you were asking about curved screens? I use 2 side by side, can be driven from one computer or independently from 2 desktops. Works fine with MATE.
[19:06:28] <janrinok> They are not as big as yours - 32" I think or thereabouts
[19:07:08] <progo> I know that for 1 28 inch screen, close-up on your desk, FLAT is almost too flat. go any bigger and it REALLY needs to be curved or you need a DEEP desk
[19:07:38] <progo> took me a week to readjust my perception
[19:07:51] <janrinok> I've positioned them so that any part of either of the screens is the same distance from my eyes - I just find that more comfortable.
[19:08:15] <janrinok> hi progo - which version of the Pi are you using?
[19:08:25] <progo> Raspberry Pi 4 with 8GB of RAM
[19:08:38] <progo> it's probably going to be my new home server when I get my new refurb desktop
[19:08:54] <janrinok> I thought that would have coped with 2 screens - but I have never tried it so I could be wrong
[19:09:29] <progo> if you're running MATE (not a media player), and you have one single 4k display, the CPU is bogged down waiting for RAM access with all the GPU traffic on the same RAM
[19:09:38] <progo> I have to run it at 2k/1080p
[19:10:12] <janrinok> OK, as I say I've never tried it
[19:10:17] <progo> it can run two signs at 4k, probably :^)
[19:10:29] <progo> public displays without much going on, I mean
[19:10:53] <progo> tangential observation: 4k is the bare minimum for Windows
[19:11:06] <progo> Windows' font rendering has always been garbage compared to Linux in the last 15 to 20 years
[19:11:19] <janrinok> Most of my Pi's are run headless and I SSH into them to do work on them but, once they are running, I just leave them to do their job.
[19:11:31] <progo> you try to turn off "sub-pixel font smoothing" in Windows, and all these apps with their own included frameworks fucking IGNORE the setting
[19:11:49] <progo> heaven help you if you turn your display sideways and upset the sub-pixel ORDERING. you can't change it in 1/3 of windows apps
[19:12:08] <janrinok> that's a bit of a bummer
[19:12:41] <progo> bummer -- 4k being too much for a Raspbery Pi desktop?
[19:13:17] <progo> yeah, I'm okay with it, but eventually I needed to upgrade. after I ordered my upgrade -- last night, I spent 1.5 hours compiling SQLite Studio (C++/Qt5) because they don't ship ARM64 binaries
[19:13:20] <janrinok> well I haven't got a 4k screen so it isn't that big a problem for me
[19:15:33] <progo> my company laptop is setup permanently next to my desk and that's why I upgraded to 28 inch, 4k, flat. got a good price last year. (no built-in loudspeakers)
[19:15:58] <progo> **company laptop running evil Windows with its garbage low-res font rendering
[19:16:12] <progo> looks better at 4k than at 1080p
[19:18:25] <janrinok> I do watch some video but mainly computer related stuff - tutorials etc I don't watch much TV at all. So my screens are OK for programming but I wouldn't want to watch a video at any distance from them.
[20:36:39] <Runaway1956> Thanks Janrinok - that's much what I was thinking
[20:36:58] <Runaway1956> Will just have to find that sweet spot where the curves stays equally distant
[21:02:45] <chromas> I recently got a curved screen. There's some fuckery going on behind the scenes with the high refresh rate but it's otherwise pretty noice. 3440×1440. Still wish I had moar pixels.
[21:05:31] <chromas> You can never have enough pixels. On the other hand, having a yuuge display and putting it farther away is probably better for your eyes than having it two feet away
[21:06:11] <chromas> or 20 metres for you fureigners
[21:06:15] <chromas> cm
[21:10:38] <progo> Roku is racist against small living room displays. you can't set the font size. my wife and I have a big living room, and the TV is opposite the love seat, and we're not getting bigger than 32 inch TV.
[21:10:53] <progo> and we're over 40 years old :^)
[21:12:11] <chromas> How does Roku compare to Kodi?
[21:12:24] <progo> Kodi has a font size setting and can run any FOSS plugins
[21:12:40] <progo> Roku is a walled garden that can also play any local files over DLNA protocol
[21:12:50] <progo> and when you use DLNA, it doesn't handle long filenames well on the display
[21:13:20] <progo> Roku is "give to Caesar what is Caesar's" for watching hollywood television
[21:14:02] <chromas> Ah, I don't need to see another soft reboot presequal
[21:14:16] <progo> Roku DOES support mkv format for all of the caption and extra audio track features you need
[21:14:36] <chromas> Sounds like the trick then is to rent a vpn, torrent all the latest goodies you want, then put them into kodi
[21:14:48] <chromas> actually there's some plugins to 'stream' from torrents
[21:15:01] <progo> or just don't watch any hollywood shite
[21:15:16] <progo> plenty of good television coming from "pay to support us" sources
[21:16:20] <progo> if you want main-stream TV and other TV, get a box running Kodi and also a Roku. most TVs have two inputs
[21:16:57] <progo> or if you have a home server that can prepare all the files ahead of time and serve as DLNA you only need Roku
[21:17:13] <chromas> I heard you can't set the font size tho
[21:17:48] <progo> :^b obviously if you have a big room a 60 inch google-apple-samsung TV ($900 black friday special) is required
[21:18:12] <progo> the fact that everything you talk about in your living room shows up in your facebook feed is just a coincidence
[21:21:13] <chromas> if I ever had a samrt tv I Shirley wouldn't hook it to the internet; it'd only be because it was cheaper than a dum tv of similar girth
[21:21:29] <progo> it'll find a way onto the Internet
[21:21:38] <progo> much safer to buy used dumb displays until the situation changes
[21:21:57] <chromas> Another case of technology gets worse as it gets better
[21:22:19] <progo> *used dumb displays because the new ones all have Internet computers in them today
[21:22:29] <chromas> In the old days, you had to wait for the tubes to heat up to get picture and sound. Now that they can cum on instantly, you have to wait for it to boot up and check for updates
[21:23:26] <progo> my friend can't play Xbox anymore, because it doesn't support his use-casep;
[21:23:29] <progo> use-case:
[21:23:43] <progo> about once a month he has 20 minutes where he feels like screwing around with an old game he might know…
[21:23:44] <chromas> offline single-player?
[21:23:55] <progo> he turns it on, and 20 minutes later the forced monthly updates are done, and he's already moved on
[21:24:07] <chromas> how old's the xbox?
[21:24:14] <progo> doubly offensive because he used to work for Microsoft :^)
[21:24:22] <progo> I have no idea. something that still gets updates
[21:24:41] <chromas> There's some amount of emulation available
[21:25:01] <chromas> Surprisingly little, though, considering they've always been stripped down x86 PCs
[21:25:01] <progo> he wants it to behave like an appliance but Microsoft has/had other ideas
[21:25:10] <progo> an emulator usually isn't an appliance
[21:25:47] <chromas> oh and original xboxen were heavily moddable, so you could install all the things
[21:25:52] <chromas> in fact, that's where kodi came from
[21:25:57] <progo> CASUAL gamer. it's a case of "meh. it doesn't work as I expected. fuck it". it's not a "I'll build an emulator" situation
[21:26:16] <progo> yeah I used XBMC on an original Xbox for a couple of years
[21:26:20] <chromas> sounds like he needs to learn2gentoo
[21:26:39] <progo> that machine is surprisingly heavy for a living room box. but I guess it's not surprising when you know it's a little desktop computer
[21:26:59] <chromas> and the controller was almost as big and heavy
[21:27:10] <Runaway1956> progo - can't your friend block Xbox at the router? It fails to connect, it won't update, right?
[21:27:24] <progo> I THINK he said then it'll stop working
[21:27:25] <progo> not sure
[21:28:14] <chromas> must be newer than a 360 then
[21:28:49] <progo> you ever notice that Chrome is like 400MB and updates itself constantly and no one actually notices this happening? (the process was carefully designed this way) and 5GB operating systems tie up your machine for 20 minutes to update stuff?
[21:29:17] <Runaway1956> My systems don't update until I tell them to do so
[21:29:27] <chromas> It has to be that big in order to handle all the quadrillions of CSS rules
[21:29:38] <progo> I still can't believe Apt is as slow as it is, in Debian land. is Fedora/CentOS's package manager any better?
[21:29:39] * Runaway1956 makes a mental note that he needs to double check all the Vizio devices are blocked
[21:29:52] <progo> catalog lookups and catalog updates in Debian/Ubuntu take FOREVER
[21:30:18] <Runaway1956> try apt-fast progo, it utilizes aria2, much MUCH faster
[21:30:26] <progo> thanks. I'll check that out
[21:30:47] <chromas> bro-tip, try apt-get and apt-cache
[21:30:54] <chromas> pretty sure apt is a front-end to those
[21:31:09] <Runaway1956> The best place to get it (imo) is one of those ubuntu community repositories - I can find the link a a few seconds
[21:31:20] <chromas> Runaway1956: it's not just the downloads. apt takes like 5 seconds just to start itself up every time it's called
[21:31:21] <Runaway1956> of course, it's available on one of the git-thingys
[21:31:27] <progo> chromas: I was complaining about apt, the system. the whole suite of package management tools that comes with Debian and Ubuntu
[21:31:32] <chromas> ah
[21:31:43] <chromas> there's also a command called apt now that's super slow
[21:32:18] <progo> wait, so it's the "apt" wrapper command that slows everything down?!
[21:32:20] <progo> why? how?
[21:32:51] <chromas> it can be used in place of apt-cace and stuff, with prettier output, but it's written in chilled molasses
[21:33:37] <progo> I can't learn about apt-fast. github is offline
[21:33:42] <chromas> it's probably node.js or something
[21:33:50] <progo> will have to try again later
[21:33:52] <chromas> haha lol
[21:33:52] <Runaway1956> https://launchpad.net
[21:33:54] <systemd> ^ 03apt-fast stable PPA : “apt-fast” team
[21:33:57] <chromas> Thanks, Microsoft
[21:34:15] <chromas> https://github.com
[21:34:16] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub: Where the world builds software
[21:34:24] <progo> thanks Runaway1956 but that hasn't got any ad materials or documentation
[21:34:24] <Runaway1956> Best to add the repository, then turn the repository off afterward,
[21:34:29] <chromas> so it works for the bot but not browser
[21:34:34] <Runaway1956> True . . .
[21:35:28] <chromas> https://www.githubstatus.com
[21:35:28] <systemd> ^ 03Incident with GitHub Actions, API Requests, Git Operations, Issues, GitHub Packages, GitHub Pages, Pull Requests, and Webhooks ( https://www.githubstatus.com )
[21:35:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Giving Social Support to Others May Boost Your Health - https://sylnt.us - helping-hand-is-healthy
[21:36:26] <Runaway1956> I think puthub might work better than github - everyone is gitting, and few people are putting.
[21:36:51] <progo> I paid to join sourcehut, where front-end javascript isn't allowed
[21:36:54] <progo> haven't looked back
[21:36:57] <progo> it's fast and stable
[21:37:07] <chromas> you can pay for sourcehut?
[21:37:08] <progo> despite being sold as a service with a caveat that "still alpa"
[21:37:29] <progo> yeah after some milestone free users will not be allowed to own projects anymore
[21:37:41] <progo> when it's feature complete and stable for a while
[21:37:53] <Runaway1956> sourcehut - the hacker's forge
[21:38:02] * Runaway1956 doesn't like hot forges
[21:38:09] * Runaway1956 doesn't trust hackers
[21:38:17] * chromas prefers fingerhut
[21:38:39] <Runaway1956> Fingerhut is for little old ladies who don't know how to spend their money
[21:38:48] <progo> I always assume a "service is FUBAR" incident could be a DDOS attack and can't blame the vendor right away
[21:38:53] <Runaway1956> so, they get a finger job while being forked
[21:39:39] <chromas> then again, it's microsoft, so they preobably DoSed themselves
[21:39:53] <progo> never forget the Danger / Sidekick disaster
[21:40:04] <progo> and the migration of Hotmail to IIS which failed
[21:40:21] <Runaway1956> I'm still trying to remember the Maine - no room for danger/sidekick
[21:40:52] <progo> Danger: they acquired the Danger platform and then after a transitition, suddenly send out a message "omg omg omg don't reboot your Danger/Sidekick phone! We lost your addressbook on the server and if you sync it'll be gone locally"
[21:40:58] <chromas> Sidekick 95 was pretty good
[21:42:11] <progo> I'm really surprised Github hasn't been crashed bad BECAUSE Microsoft took over
[21:42:16] <chromas> I do like how you say "can't blame the vendor right away" and then exclusively give examples of the vendor fucking it up :D
[21:42:38] <progo> key word is "right away"
[21:42:39] * chromas explains the jokd
[21:42:48] <progo> right now we don't know whose fault it is that Github is broken today
[21:43:20] <chromas> True. It could be borked Amazon or Google servers
[21:43:53] <chromas> another left_pad() situation
[21:45:10] <chromas> github depends on some library that depends on some library that depends on some library that runs in some guy's basement and the cat stepped on the keyboard
[21:45:56] <progo> build servers everywhere are seized up because they can't check whether or not their cache is valid, against Github
[21:46:17] <chromas> cloud++
[21:46:17] <Bender> karma - cloud: 1
[21:46:25] <chromas> oh I thought that was negative
[21:47:14] <chromas> bittorrent was the one p2p system made for not buttpirating stuff, but now it's almost the only one used for that
[21:47:42] <chromas> github was created specifically for distributed version control, but now it's almost exclusively centralized
[21:47:44] <progo> I can't use anything bittorrent on my work computer because I might be downloading trojan horses or something
[21:47:52] <chromas> damn you, technology!
[21:47:57] <progo> it has always been the case that the fastest way to get LibreOffice is bittorrent
[21:48:02] <progo> they don't have fast http mirrors
[21:48:06] <progo> and that's fine; use bittorrent
[21:48:13] <progo> unless you work for the government, then screw you, employee
[21:48:32] <progo> if I open a bittorrent socket, the executable that did so gets quarantined
[21:49:22] <chromas> ssh into home box and torrent from there ;)
[21:49:30] <progo> yep
[21:49:45] <chromas> or find a download manager that can pull from all the mirrors at once
[21:50:30] <progo> I really hate the "normal people don't need this" style of IT policies
[21:50:48] <Runaway1956> why be nerml?
[21:51:37] <progo> common in public libraries and hotels: all Internet traffic is https. there are no other ports and no other application protocols
[21:51:59] <progo> yes, we have "free" "Internet"
[21:52:41] <progo> I'll stop ranting now
[21:53:01] <progo> I loaded the apt-fast home page!
[21:53:05] <progo> https://github.com
[21:53:37] <progo> looks like it doesn't address slow local repository catalog lookups
[21:53:44] <progo> I'll try it some time though
[22:22:18] <chromas> Time to switch to RPM
[22:22:26] <chromas> You know it's fast 'cause it has car words in it
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