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[00:06:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Can't Find Your Keys? : Scientists Identify a Link Between Spatial Memory and Bird Genes - https://sylnt.us
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[02:19:02] <Runaway1956> Find my keys? There are days I can't find my ass.
[02:20:33] <Runaway1956> write speed on USB device about 240 kB/s and I can't figure out why
[02:20:54] <Runaway1956> that's USB2 not USB1 or 3
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[02:55:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Government Strategy to Establish National Privacy Standard - https://sylnt.us - government-is-here-to-save-the-day
[05:36:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Compact Fusion Power Plant Concept Uses State-Of-The-Art Physics To Improve Energy Production - https://sylnt.us
[07:30:11] <FatPhil> if pixel wizards are brought in, the case will turn into fermented bullshit. if the arguments depend on precise imaging, they're the wrong arguments.
[07:32:03] <FatPhil> what precise types of things are they trying to ascertain by "ENHANCE!"?
[07:37:55] <chromas> Gotta see if the drone footage is shooped
[07:47:42] <FatPhil> the FLIR?
[07:49:12] <FatPhil> "Does the hot blob move forwards or backwards?" That's surely the question, not "what brand logos are visible on his sneakers". You need only low res for the former, and ENHANCE! for the latter.
[08:27:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Archaeologists Discover Ancient 'Hangover Prevention' Ring - https://sylnt.us
[11:27:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Summer of Code Now Open to Adults - https://sylnt.us - hack-the-planet!
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[14:06:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Can't Find Your Keys? Scientists Identify a Link Between Spatial Memory and Bird Genes - https://sylnt.us || Last of Original SCO v IBM Linux Lawsuit Settled - https://sylnt.us - I-sure-miss-groklaw
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[15:28:47] <Runaway1956> Odd. Trial hasn't started yet, but there is video from the court room. Binger is sitting kinda lopsided . . .
[15:29:06] <Runaway1956> That new asshole is probably sensitive.
[16:10:18] <Runaway1956> Binger trying to prevent the defense introducing videographer evidence he doesn't like, apparently it takes all video over a period of about 2 1/2 minutes, and puts it into order, and perspective
[16:12:15] <Runaway1956> four minutes and some seconds
[16:14:40] <FatPhil> Inadmissible! Because it's made of pixels, it's fake!
[16:15:20] <Runaway1956> It is well known that pixies hate mankind!
[16:16:23] <Runaway1956> The argument goes "we didn't know about this stuff, so we can't consider it, it's not our job to consider new evidence!!"
[16:17:14] <Runaway1956> and "experts aren't needed to understand the evidence"
[16:17:59] <FatPhil> didn't the prosecution introduce new video evidence right at the start?
[16:18:33] <Runaway1956> Yes, they did FatPhil,
[16:18:56] <Runaway1956> in fact, they introduced the drone video after the trial started
[16:18:56] <FatPhil> If it requires experts to tell you what the evidence means, it wasn't evidence in the first place, as evidence should be evident.
[16:19:08] <FatPhil> yup, that's what I was thinking of, thanks.
[16:19:27] <Runaway1956> Mmmmmm - I kinda sorta agree with your statement, BUT
[16:19:38] <FatPhil> I'm not 100% up with US legal procedures, but I thought that was frowned upon.
[16:20:08] <Runaway1956> what about ballistics evidence, fingerprints, fiber evidence that aren't all that self evident when you walk onto a crime scene?
[16:20:19] <Runaway1956> Some expert has to collect and analyze all of that
[16:21:05] <Runaway1956> As for new evidence in general - a court that is interested in collecting facts should welcome new evidence when it becomes available
[16:21:19] <Runaway1956> If justice is going to be served, you need all the facts
[16:21:36] <FatPhil> "when it becomes available". When was that for the drone footage?
[16:21:38] <Runaway1956> anything else tends to serve the system
[16:21:56] <Runaway1956> I think it was day three of the trial? Not certain.
[16:22:39] <Runaway1956> And, once again, I'm reminded that I'm neglecting the aubery trial, which is almost as important as this one
[16:22:42] <FatPhil> Did they not know there was a drone until then? What did they think the drone was doing if not capturing footage?
[16:23:18] <Runaway1956> Can't explain that, but it's possible the drone was very quiet, and no one but the operator knew it was there?
[16:23:52] <Runaway1956> I'll point out that no other video seems to capture the sound of a rattle-trap drone hovering overhead
[16:24:54] <FatPhil> Arbery trial? inbred fuckwads kill a geezer for jogging whilst black?
[16:25:28] <Runaway1956> Yes, exactly. I can't see that they have any kind of legal reasoning for doing what they did - none
[16:25:44] <Runaway1956> we could characterize that as either a lynching, or an execution
[16:26:10] <FatPhil> well, he was wearing a loud shirt in a built-up area after sundown.
[16:26:28] <Runaway1956> "Your honor, it's true that hundreds of people stopped to look at the contruction site, but none of them was BLACK!!!"
[16:26:31] <FatPhil> =yt NTNON savage
[16:26:32] <systemd> https://youtube.com - NTNON: Constable Savage (03:39; 268,757 views; 👍1,328 👎33)
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[16:30:12] <Runaway1956> Possession of curly black hair and thick lips sounds right.
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[16:58:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpinLaunch's Rocket-Free Kinetic Launch System Conducts First Test Flight - https://sylnt.us
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[17:03:24] <Runaway1956> OK, they playing slowed down video, without any enhancement
[17:03:59] <Runaway1956> and this is the first time I've clearly seen that 'Jump Kick Man' did indeed connect with Kyle's face with a solid kick
[17:37:34] <FatPhil> if there's another summary video from that lawyer dude, feel free to share it here, the last one had just what I need.
[17:37:48] <FatPhil> Then again, your highlights are appreciated too, thanks.
[17:41:31] <Runaway1956> Well, there is a very attractive young lady on the stand now, testifying about the AR
[17:41:54] <requerdanos> oh, the crowd-murderer's trial?
[17:42:34] <Runaway1956> the murdering crows trial
[17:42:58] <requerdanos> so if you have only a few crows, that
[17:43:02] <requerdanos> 's just attempted murder?
[17:43:37] <Runaway1956> it's hard for the crows to murder when you've blown them out of the sky, so the crows only attempted murder, lol
[17:52:42] <Runaway1956> Hernandez testifies - he observes Rosenbaum pushing burning dumpsters at and into patrol cars occupied by officers - definitely a violent criminal
[17:53:09] <requerdanos> murdering violent people is, fortunately, still illegal, of course.
[17:53:36] <Runaway1956> ROFLMAO @ requerdanos - self defense is not murder
[17:54:02] <requerdanos> so the defendant was defending, the dumpsters? the cops? [X] Doubt
[17:54:26] <Runaway1956> He was defending himself - hence, "self defence"
[17:54:45] <requerdanos> I guess that's part of what the trial is being held to find out.
[17:55:02] <Runaway1956> Exactly - and dismissal isn't far off now
[17:55:11] <Runaway1956> the state has absolutely failed to make it's case
[18:07:36] <FatPhil> Monkeys write ~ New York Times (anagram)
[18:08:50] <Runaway1956> HA-HA!!!! Binger gets slapped down again!! Trying to establish the political leanings of a witness
[18:11:10] <FatPhil> Runaway1956++ for correct spelling
[18:11:10] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 39
[18:12:12] <Runaway1956> Yeah, but you guys still drive on the wrong side of the road
[18:16:29] <Runaway1956> Binger on thin ice again, wanting to know why a witness has an attorney, as if having an attorney might destroy the witness' credibility
[18:16:47] <Runaway1956> I think he really wants to be disbarred or deburred.
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[18:22:18] <requerdanos> https://www.nbcnews.com
[18:22:18] <systemd> ^ 03Kyle Rittenhouse 'was an active shooter,' according to wounded paramedic
[18:22:43] <requerdanos> "I think the most important thing to remember is that Kyle Rittenhouse was an active shooter, he murdered two men, and he attempted to murder me," Grosskreutz said.
[18:22:50] <Runaway1956> Wounded paramedic? WTF are you talking about? Grosskreutz? Another criminal.
[18:23:28] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I deduced that - the man with the ambulance chaser lawyers who have sued for ten million dollars
[18:23:49] <Runaway1956> if the silly sumbitch hand't pointed his gun at Kyle's face, he would still be able to masturbate.
[18:24:19] <requerdanos> "Grosskreutz had a gun in hand when he approached Rittenhouse, but said he wasn't threatening the teen when he was shot. "\
[18:24:45] <Runaway1956> That's pretty retarded - the gun was leveled and aimed right at Kyle's face
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[18:25:09] <Runaway1956> With a round in the chamber, and the safety off, I might add
[18:25:38] <requerdanos> I haven't seen the video, just pointing out that descriptions vary
[18:25:47] <Runaway1956> not to mention "My only regret is not emptying my glock into kyle"
[18:26:05] <requerdanos> yeah, good guy with a gun failed big time in this instance
[18:26:12] <requerdanos> makes sense that would lead to regret
[18:26:32] <chromas> "Paramedic" in the CHAZ sense; not the medical professional sense
[18:26:34] <Runaway1956> Yes of course a criminal's description of events will differ from that of the victim.
[18:26:44] <requerdanos> exactly so.
[18:27:39] <Runaway1956> Is it necessary to point out that Kyle was never arrested for burglary, or child molestation, or assault, or theft, or any other crime until he was arrested for a political trial?
[18:29:09] <requerdanos> the trial is to decide facts, not to decide political questions, so that would be "false propaganda", not "pointing out something"
[18:29:34] <Runaway1956> LOL - criminals are criminals, and the facts bear that out.
[18:29:59] <requerdanos> I mean, Kenosha's next dogcatcher isn't what they are going to be voting on.
[18:30:44] <Runaway1956> White true, you can't neglect that the charges were filed for political reasons.
[18:31:08] <Runaway1956> While true . . .
[18:31:31] <requerdanos> even if there was some overlap, I am pretty sure that charges are pretty standard for shooting people dead. That's not always, but usually, adjudicated somehow.
[18:31:43] <Runaway1956> There has been a concerted effort across America to excuse all the excesses of BLM/Antifa
[18:31:58] <requerdanos> a monstrously evil effort that has been, too.
[18:32:03] <Runaway1956> and to prosecute anyone who resists those excesses
[18:32:32] <Runaway1956> Thank you for that.
[18:32:39] <requerdanos> but if someone shoots me dead, whether in a disagreement or just in a crowd, I will probably rest better knowing they at least went to trial for it.
[18:32:57] <Runaway1956> Many self defense shootings never go to trial
[18:33:13] <Runaway1956> An interview by a couple detectives generally suffices
[18:33:22] <Runaway1956> perhaps another interview with the prosecutor
[18:33:27] <Runaway1956> perhaps a grand jury
[18:33:34] <requerdanos> yeah, it's influenced by jurisdiction as well, more some places, less other places
[18:33:45] <Runaway1956> they generally don't make it to trial if there is a genuine self defense claim
[18:34:21] <requerdanos> well, I dunno, I would say that some with genuine self-defense claims do go as far as trial, wouldn't you?
[18:34:22] <Runaway1956> As a rule, if a self defense case makes it in front of a jury, then the claim is weak.
[18:34:36] <Runaway1956> Oh yes!
[18:34:51] <Runaway1956> I'm stating general rules, and there are exceptions to every rule
[18:35:05] <requerdanos> The idea being to decide whether the homicide(s) in question qualify as justified
[18:35:32] <Runaway1956> Yes - and I'm saying that a trial by jury is seldom necessary to determine the facts.
[18:36:02] <Runaway1956> If you get in front of a jury, you can assume that your case is weak, or you're a political prisoner
[18:36:04] <requerdanos> on the other hand, it's a well-used method of doing same.
[18:36:59] <Runaway1956> Oh - there's something to consider that was brought out in today's testimony
[18:37:19] <Runaway1956> Just before the shootings, there was a full-fledged battle at the police station
[18:37:34] <Runaway1956> doors ripped off the station, windows broken out, cops sent to hospital
[18:37:54] <Runaway1956> It's reasonable to suppose that some of those assaulting Kyle had just participated in that battle
[18:38:18] <requerdanos> s/reasonable/pure speculation/
[18:38:23] <Runaway1956> That battle was mentioned in passing, as though it had no relationship to the attacks on Kyle
[18:38:31] <Runaway1956> but the city was a battle scene that night
[18:38:49] <Runaway1956> Kyle had far more reason to fear for his life than has been stated in open court
[18:39:08] <requerdanos> if he had stage four cancer, he would be in fear from his life, but not from his victims.
[18:39:18] <requerdanos> there has to be a link there.
[18:39:29] <Runaway1956> There is a link: violent mob
[18:39:48] <requerdanos> someone being a jerk doesn't count. someone having a gun doesn't count.
[18:40:05] <Runaway1956> Perhaps in your estimation.
[18:40:07] <requerdanos> In texas you can shoot someone dead as long as they drop your weed eater when you do, but this was not in texas.
[18:40:31] <requerdanos> well, rittenhouse had a gun; by that measure, he therefore should have been shot dead. that's idiotic.
[18:40:50] <requerdanos> not everyone with a gun should be shot dead.
[18:41:11] <requerdanos> didn't totallythetruthaboutguns.org teach you that already?
[18:44:01] <chromas> Did they check him for covid?
[18:44:36] <requerdanos> I guess I should add that I don't know if anyone involved had either covid or a weed eater, just speculating I guess.
[18:44:52] <Runaway1956> I'm pretty sure several people had cameras
[18:45:08] <Runaway1956> which provided lots and lots of evidence
[18:45:37] <Runaway1956> funny Youtube exchanges:
[18:45:57] <Runaway1956> Over the past year, The Young Turks have soundly condemned Kyle, repeatedly
[18:46:12] <Runaway1956> only in the past 3 or 4 days have they looked at any video
[18:46:23] <Runaway1956> Ana has publicly apologized for her position
[18:46:50] <Runaway1956> while she doesn't actually support Kyle, she no longer condemns him, and has apologized for your poison comments over the past year
[18:47:05] <Runaway1956> *her* poison comments
[19:00:32] <Runaway1956> Back to running Linux or Windoze on this MacBook pro
[19:01:05] <Runaway1956> I can get the Mac to "boot" from the USB, but so far, I've found no OS which is able to continue booting
[19:01:20] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: is "round in the chamber, and the safety off" known to be facty?
[19:01:34] <Runaway1956> Windoze got to the "install Windows now" screen, but mouse, keyboard, etc don't work
[19:01:40] <FatPhil> playing catchup, just had my supper.
[19:01:56] <Runaway1956> Yes, FatPhil - there was a round in the chamber of the Glock
[19:02:11] <Runaway1956> TBH, I'm not real certain that there is a safety on that particular Glock
[19:02:30] <requerdanos> so, bottom line answer is, "not real certain"?
[19:02:35] <Runaway1956> but one witness or another stated that the Glock was 'ready to fire'
[19:03:01] <Runaway1956> To back off from the issue of a safety -
[19:03:23] <Runaway1956> it doesn't much matter to the guy who is observing the barrel of the weapon lining up with his eyeballs
[19:04:09] <Runaway1956> The "fully loaded with one in the chamber" has been established as fact
[19:09:25] <Runaway1956> https://wiki.archlinux.org
[19:09:27] <systemd> ^ 03Mac - ArchWiki ( https://wiki.archlinux.org )
[19:12:14] <FatPhil> ta
[19:13:07] <FatPhil> not fully loaded would be more incriminating as to his attitude that particular evening ;-)
[19:14:24] <Runaway1956> Not sure that I see that - not fully loaded, that is, not carrying the weapon with a full magazine AND one in the chamber would indicate his safety awareness more than his attitude toward shooting people
[19:15:04] <Runaway1956> Almost any weapon with a round in the chamber is subject to accidental firing if dropped, hit, or otherwise jostled
[19:15:38] <Runaway1956> Oh - reading your statement again, yeah, I gotta agree
[19:16:08] <Runaway1956> You're saying full magazine WITHOUT a round in the chamber requires him to pull the slide and load one round
[19:16:24] <Runaway1956> meaning, he would have racked the weapon, with intent to use the weapon
[19:29:24] <FatPhil> I was considering the situation where he'd already discharged it a few times.
[19:29:42] <Runaway1956> kk
[19:30:39] <FatPhil> after jacking up on roids, and headbutting a wall 20 times. The full Mel Gibson.
[19:33:20] <Runaway1956> This is not the roid you are looking for
[19:35:44] <FatPhil> If there's one that causes bleeding from the eyes and ears, that would be perfect. I want Steve Buscemi to play him in the movie of this.
[19:46:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TSMC and Sony Officially Create Partnership to Build $7 Billion Fab in Japan - https://sylnt.us
[21:09:31] <Runaway1956> The trial has gone quite far afield. Instead of evidence about a killing, the jury is hearing evidence about Algernon, and how smart a mouse might be.
[21:09:55] <Runaway1956> Oh, wait, that's Algorithm, and what color a mouse might be.
[21:11:17] <Runaway1956> Meanwhile, there are no (POC)olored victims or aggressors involved in the violence of the night in question.
[21:12:31] <Runaway1956> There's a new word to introduce into all the race de-Baiters discussion - (POC)olored
[21:19:52] <FatPhil> and the owner of the car dealership that was being protected was how white, he asked him knowingly...
[21:21:13] <Runaway1956> It is getting clearer now - if the Algernon had been present on the night of the shooting, a bunch of purple mice might have been killed, instead of rioters.
[21:32:52] <Runaway1956> Definitely twilight zone now - "The Ziminskis are off screen, but you can see the defendant pointing his gun at the Ziminskis" - meaning, we have to imagine a line going between the visible and the invisible
[21:33:26] <FatPhil> purple lives matter
[21:34:59] <FatPhil> unless you're the purple-shirted eye stabber, of course.
[21:35:50] <FatPhil> https://explosm.net
[21:35:50] <systemd> ^ 03Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net);
[21:36:06] <Runaway1956> ToysRUS used to sell purple-shirted eye stabber action figures, but ToysRUs shut down years ago
[21:39:18] <Runaway1956> My mistake - jury wasn't hearing all that nonsense about pixels, they were out of the room
[21:48:06] <FatPhil> Just a fever dream?
[22:14:11] <Runaway1956> Nahhh, the jury was out of the room while the lawyers were trying to convince the judge to allow the jurors to hear/not hear the BS
[22:14:36] <Runaway1956> Closing arguments on Monday, not sure what they have planned for tomorrow though
[22:20:14] <FatPhil> Shots and lines of coke off hookers' breasts, I hope. Well, only the ones fancy enough to wear wigs.
[22:28:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Solar Probe 'Touched the Sun' but is Enduring Dangerous Plasma Explosions - https://sylnt.us - well,-got-much-nearer-to-the-sun-than-you-or-I-ever-will
[22:36:09] <FatPhil> Hadn't seen this before: https://youtu.be . /me awards TC a wooden spoon of +1 shit stirring.
[22:36:11] <systemd> ^ 03CNN's Don Lemon has trouble with cognitive test after mocking Trump ( https://www.youtube.com )
[23:10:20] <Runaway1956> Don La Moooon?
[23:10:41] <Runaway1956> Why does he pronounce it like Le Mans?
[23:11:42] * Runaway1956 went to school with kids named Lemon, later worked with a (unrelated) Lemon, and none of them tried to make their names sound French - or stupid.
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[23:58:18] <FatPhil> Now show me a person called Leroy who pronounces his name like the French it comes from (Le Roi, The King).
[23:58:47] <FatPhil> There's a Leroy brewery in Belgium, so there's no "but the spelling's changed" excuse.
[23:59:17] <FatPhil> But Belgium was just a British invention to piss the French off, I know that.