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[04:23:45] <chromas> I've been wondering about the purple street lights, this totally legit website has the scoop
[04:23:48] <chromas> https://dontspeaknews.com
[04:23:49] <systemd> ^ 03It Appears There’s Much More to These New LED Purple Street Lamps Than We’ve Seen so Far!
[04:25:32] <chromas> "It's so heroin users can't find a vein to shoot up."
[04:36:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chaotic Early Solar System Collisions Resembled 'Asteroids' Arcade Game - https://sylnt.us - cool
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[06:03:59] <Frigatebird> Is it true that Runaway has passed?
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[06:23:52] <AzumaHazuki> first i've heard of it
[06:23:59] <AzumaHazuki> but if so, good riddance to bad rubbish
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[07:51:11] <FatPhil> Is it true that Frigatebird is a troll?
[08:04:15] <AzumaHazuki> maybe?
[08:04:37] <Frigatebird> Came across this in a journal: "I will be a happy happy person when you are dead, though you can calm your man-boobs, I have no desire to rush you along."
[08:04:46] <Frigatebird> Was curious.
[08:06:58] <AzumaHazuki> meh, i'd rather he lives a while longer and suffers the poetic backlash of all the awful shit he's gotten into recently
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[08:17:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Polymer-Coated Nanoparticles To Promote Drug Delivery To The Brain - https://sylnt.us
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[08:32:47] <Frigatebird> Queue is down to 15. What is going on?
[08:36:17] <Frigatebird> Maybe it is this?
[08:36:22] <Frigatebird> =submit https://www.newsweek.com
[08:36:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03"Big Bird is a Communist": Muppet Vaccination Draws Backlash From Republicans, Conservatives" (36p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[09:14:13] <FatPhil> =submit https://dnyuz.com
[09:14:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Nuclear-Powered Shower? Russia Tests a Climate Innovation." (34p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[09:17:57] <inz> hmm, why doesn't my irssi bind to the correct ip...
[09:47:18] <Frigatebird> It's been fun.
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[09:50:01] <janrinok> ... does this mean you are leaving? These accounts come and go so quickly nowadays...
[09:51:04] <janrinok> The queue is often low on a Monday morning. No new releases over the weekend and very few decent submissions as people are enjoying themselves as they should.
[10:16:36] <FatPhil> also, if one of the admins has done a purge of old stale stuff, it can look rather empty.
[10:20:16] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[10:20:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Someone Stole an Entire Shipment of EVGA RTX Graphics Cards" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:36:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Broken Toilet on SpaceX Capsule Means Astronauts Will Return to Earth in Diapers - https://sylnt.us - asstro-sanitary
[13:05:33] <inz> TBBT already did that sketch.
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[13:45:29] <chromas> thbbtbbtbbtbtbt
[14:11:38] <Runaway1956> Contrary to rumors, I am still alive, and I did not get those EVGA vidya cards
[14:11:41] <Teckla> Did TMB leave SoylentNews entirely -- the web site, and the IRC channel? If so, was the parting amicable? Or did something happen?
[14:12:04] * Runaway1956 checks Ebay for steeply discounted EVGA vidya cards
[14:12:47] <Teckla> Runaway1956: I wonder if those stolen video cards have hardware serial numbers, or some other kind of identifier, and could be disabled through software.
[14:14:48] <Runaway1956> I don't know about disabling them, but they are certainly identifiable from the serial numbers
[14:15:41] <Runaway1956> If someone offered you one for half price, you could get and run it, just don't try to register it, or try to get the warranty honored - you'll be busted for possession of stolen goods
[14:16:46] <Teckla> If nVidia can disable them remotely, through software (presumably drivers), I wonder if you could dodge that by running Linux and open source drivers instead.
[14:16:48] <Runaway1956> These will probably go to miners, who run them until they are mostly worn out, then they'll try to sell them on Ebay and similar
[14:17:22] <Teckla> I bought a new laptop last week with integrated graphics, so my hands are clean :)
[14:17:28] <Runaway1956> If nVidia or EVGA or anyone else can disable them remotely, then we have learned that there is another backdoor into our computers
[14:17:30] <chromas> TMB lost interest in the site
[14:17:43] <Teckla> It gets 60 FPS on maximum view distance in Minecraft, so good enough
[14:17:58] <Teckla> chromas: Ah, okay. Thanks. I'm glad there wasn't a "falling out."
[14:18:01] <Runaway1956> No one should be able to interfere with the machine you own, period.
[14:18:10] <Teckla> Runaway1956: I agree.
[14:18:34] <chromas> Well he was the only person left in the world who had any useful combination of time and interest in working on the site
[14:18:39] <Teckla> My new laptop came with Windows 11. I can confidently say it's never been more invasive and terrible.
[14:18:46] <Teckla> In terms of loss of privacy and control.
[14:18:54] <chromas> I'm so sorry for your loss
[14:19:00] <Runaway1956> You can fix that, pretty easily
[14:19:16] <chromas> =g shut up 10
[14:19:17] <systemd> https://www.oo-software.com - O&O ShutUp10++: Free antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11;
[14:19:29] <Teckla> I'm going to pull the SSD with Windows 11 and keep it, just in case, and pop in a different SSD and install Leenucks.
[14:20:02] <chromas> ooh, let's argue over which is the best distro for you
[14:20:14] <Teckla> My only concern is that since it's new, I wonder if all the drivers I'll want/need will be available, and in good working order.
[14:20:32] <Teckla> chromas: I like Ubuntu MATE and Linux Mint.
[14:20:45] <chromas> You may also need to disable SecureBoot
[14:20:52] <chromas> though maybe not for UBuntu
[14:21:11] <Teckla> I think Ubuntu is signed.
[14:21:15] <Runaway1956> To the best of my knowledge, there is no really new hardware in the computers that Microsoft is shilling
[14:21:40] <Runaway1956> You should get all needed drivers by default
[14:21:49] <chromas> not yet at least. Intel's finally competing with AMD again now
[14:21:53] <Teckla> I'm not sure if Ubuntu being signed also means distros based on Ubuntu are signed, like MATE and Mint.
[14:22:02] <Teckla> Runaway1956: Here's to hoping!
[14:22:26] <Teckla> <insert crossed fingers emoji here>
[14:22:44] <chromas> 🤞
[14:22:46] <Runaway1956> And, if you do run into something you need a driver for, it never hurts to visit the manufacturer's website firstest
[14:23:10] <Teckla> chromas++
[14:23:10] <Bender> karma - chromas: 403
[14:23:29] <Teckla> I've had really good luck with Linux and drivers in the past.
[14:23:41] <Teckla> To the point that installing a clean copy of Linux was far, far easier than installing a clean copy of Windows.
[14:24:22] <Runaway1956> Ditto here - we've come a long way since 2000 and 2001 when I was trying so hard to get Linux running
[14:25:56] <Runaway1956> https://counter.li.org
[14:26:08] <Teckla> I still lament GNOME 3 going the direction they went, though.
[14:26:16] <Runaway1956> I haven't managed to connect to that site in a couple years - but it's still alive
[14:26:35] <Runaway1956> Can't remember my registration number, but I was registered
[14:27:01] <Runaway1956> I think Gnome3 was competing with the Unity desktop, weren't they?
[14:27:06] <Runaway1956> Which came first?
[14:27:13] * Teckla doesn't recall.
[14:27:23] <FatPhil> twm
[14:27:26] <Teckla> I don't hate GNOME 3, but I think it took some UI/UX steps backwards, compared to GNOME 2.
[14:27:33] <Runaway1956> I think, but not sure, that Gnome 3 was first, but it was close
[14:27:39] <Teckla> I guess I'm just old, and like my desktops to look like desktops.
[14:27:57] <janrinok> Teckla, I've recently installed Ubuntu 20.04 (MATE) on a new (Huwaei) laptop and no problem with secure boot. All drivers 'just worked' after installation.
[14:28:46] <Teckla> janrinok: Awesome news, thanks! I was hoping that would be the case, since the desktop really rides atop the kernel, and I assume it's the kernel that's signed.
[14:28:53] <Teckla> (If I even know what I'm talking about.)
[14:28:56] <janrinok> correct
[14:29:24] <Teckla> Oh, those bastards. I need a special screwdriver to open this laptop.
[14:29:28] <Runaway1956> Aren't there tricks to get around SecureBoot? Could swear I've read some, but nothing comes immediately to mind
[14:29:41] <Teckla> The heads of the screws look like stars with 5 points.
[14:29:46] <janrinok> ... and it works much more quickly than the pre-installed Windows, and it has stopped trying to phone home. Wins all round as far as I am concerned.
[14:29:59] <Teckla> Runaway1956: You can disable it in the BIOS.
[14:29:59] <Runaway1956> Yeah . . they sell special toolkits for laptop work
[14:30:22] <chromas> MATE's a desktop, Mint's a distro. If you install Ubuntu (anything) then it should be good. Canonical's digital signing probably wouldn't extend to anything Mint puts out though
[14:30:58] <Teckla> On my new laptop, Windows 11 -- even after a bit of pruning -- seems to consume about 4-5 GiB of RAM, just to get to the desktop. This seems insane to me. Again, I guess I'm old, but I recall virtually identical desktop experiences taking literally 3 orders of magnitude less memory.
[14:31:04] <Runaway1956> Mint may very well have their own digital sig - they've been well established for long enough
[14:31:11] * chromas pulls out cane and rocking chair
[14:31:11] <chromas> Remember when Gnome 2 was the bad one?
[14:31:27] <janrinok> Mint is based on an Ubuntu kernel so I wouldn't foresee any issues from that. I have run Mint from a bootable thumbdrive and it seems to be quite content on the same laptop.
[14:31:46] <Teckla> I've played with Mint in a VM. It seems very nice. Clean. Attractive. And it's a *desktop*.
[14:31:57] <chromas> Only if they're using Ubuntu's pre-compiled kernel though
[14:32:08] <Runaway1956> Regular Mint is Ubuntu, don't forget LMDE, which I always preferred, and uses the Debian kernel
[14:32:10] <Teckla> chromas: haha
[14:33:37] <janrinok> I have currently 8 desktops and one laptop all running Ubuntu 20.04 MATE and I am very content with their configuration and the fact that they stay out of my way and just let me get on with it.
[14:34:29] <Runaway1956> Wow - you mean like, that's what a computer is _supposed_to_do_
[14:34:48] <janrinok> yup! Surprising in this day and age....
[14:35:15] <Runaway1956> FWIW - I've mentioned that I've got a used MacBook Pro
[14:35:21] <Teckla> I used MATE a long time and found it a very nice experience.
[14:35:25] <Runaway1956> it *mostly* stays out of the way
[14:35:38] <Runaway1956> 100 times better than Windows
[14:35:49] <Runaway1956> still not as good as Linux
[14:35:58] <Teckla> My wife has an iMac. It's pretty nice, but there are a few Mac-isms that have never stopped bothering me.
[14:36:32] <Teckla> 1. Can't maximize windows (I could be wrong about this one) 2. Don't like the global menu bar 3. Don't like that Cmd+Tab is application-centric rather than window-centric
[14:37:02] <Runaway1956> It's good enough that if the only choices were Windows and Mac, I'd probably pay the exorbitant Mac taxes
[14:38:32] <Teckla> Some of the base Mac prices are pretty good. For example, the base MacBook Air seems reasonably priced. The upgrades as obscenely overpriced, though.
[14:39:03] <Teckla> s/upgrades as/upgrades are/
[14:39:03] <SedBot> <Teckla> Some of the base Mac prices are pretty good. For example, the base MacBook Air seems reasonably priced. The upgrades are obscenely overpriced, though.
[14:39:42] <Runaway1956> ditto obscenely overpriced - both memory and storage space
[14:39:47] <Teckla> When I configured a MacBook Air with 16 (rather than 8) GiB of RAM, and 500-ish (rather than 250-ish) GiB of storage, my eyes almost popped out of my head.
[14:40:18] <Teckla> I think those upgrades were something like 400 or 450 USB.
[14:40:22] <Teckla> s/USB/USD/
[14:40:22] <SedBot> <Teckla> I think those upgrades were something like 400 or 450 USD.
[14:40:32] <Runaway1956> as for the reasonably priced mac products, you get castrated i3 and i5 CPUs which I won't even consider
[14:40:44] <Runaway1956> yep
[14:41:03] <Teckla> My entire new laptop was around 650 USD, for similar specs to the base MBA. So, even the base Macs are still kind-of sort-of expensive. I did catch a really good sale, though.
[14:41:07] <janrinok> Teckla, if you have a problem getting into your lappy to change the SSD, I have had success in the past by simply doing a full disk copy (of the SSD) to an old spinning rust drive, and overwriting the SSD with linux.
[14:41:39] <janrinok> I have successfully 'recovered' the Windows installation during testing
[14:41:55] <Runaway1956> Speaking of which, I went sightseeing for NAS
[14:41:58] <Teckla> I say "similar specs" a little loosely... same memory and storage, but I only have a quad core i5. And I only get 10-12 hours on battery.
[14:42:10] <Runaway1956> Surprising what you can find these days for less than $1000
[14:42:11] <janrinok> Not as simple as changing the drive, but if you are defeated by hardware it is another solution to the problem
[14:42:23] <Teckla> janrinok: That's a great idea. Thanks.
[14:42:57] <Teckla> Runaway1956: Yeah. I'm a little gobsmacked at how well this dirt cheap laptop performs.
[14:43:16] <Teckla> janrinok: What software have you used to make full disk copies?
[14:44:20] <Runaway1956> I used Windows own full backup utility to backup one Virtual machine to another - it worked well
[14:45:01] <Runaway1956> That was more or less a transfer of the same machine from VirtualBox to VMWare
[14:45:06] <janrinok> I used the same thumb drive that I installed the Ubuntu 20.04 - it has all the necessary software included. 'dd' the complete drive to an external drive (which takes forever - this is not a quick procedure) but it does work.
[14:45:21] <Teckla> janrinok: Ah ha. Very nice. Thanks again. :)
[14:45:22] <Runaway1956> VMWare sometimes balks at importing a VBox machine
[14:46:52] <janrinok> well, keeping the windows installation is only really useful if you have warranty problems - I haven't heard of anybody who knows enough to install linux ever wanting to got back to windows again. It must happen, but I've not heard of them.
[14:47:39] <Teckla> janrinok: Right. More of an "insurance policy."
[14:47:54] <Teckla> Hopefully, you'll never need it.
[14:48:13] <chromas> You can speed up your dd by setting block size (bs=); the default's usually waaay too small
[14:49:26] <janrinok> I keep all by dd files on my local server so that I can recover them - if I ever had the misfortune to have to do so - with ease. Never needed any of them!
[14:49:37] <janrinok> s/by/my/
[14:49:37] <SedBot> <janrinok> I keep all my dd files on my local server so that I can recover them - if I ever had the misfortune to have to do so - with ease. Never needed any of them!
[14:51:11] <janrinok> needs lots of disk space but other than that it works fine. Anything from before Win7 I have long erased.
[14:56:25] * Teckla probably liked Windows 2000 best.
[14:57:40] <janrinok> ditto - it all went downhill after that.
[15:08:50] <FatPhil> sheesh, my webbank has started to include JS from domains so skuzzy I can't even find out who owns them or what they do.
[15:11:49] <Runaway1956> Teckla - you made me curious so I searched
[15:12:21] <Runaway1956> to maximize a Window on macOS, press option key, and click that green button
[15:12:28] <Runaway1956> I tested, it works
[15:13:21] <Runaway1956> There are similar related tricks, some of which I don't need or want
[15:28:05] <Teckla> Runaway1956: It's not that weird "full screen" mode, is it? It causes the window to expand as much as possible, without obscuring the global menu bar or the dock?
[15:33:11] <Runaway1956> No, if you press the option key, you get exactly what you expect when maximizing a window in Windows or Linux
[15:33:38] <Runaway1956> The window takes up all available space between the top menu bar, and the bottom dock
[15:34:15] <Runaway1956> If your dock is auto-hiding, then it will take that space as well, but the dock un-hides when you mouse over
[15:36:10] <Teckla> Runaway1956: Thanks! That's awesome. Do you know if there's also a way, built into macOS, to make Cmd+Tab window-centric rather than application-centric? I've always hated that "feature."
[15:37:00] <Teckla> GNOME 3 introduced that "feature" to Alt+Tab. Fortunately, you can still (for now) switch it back to window-centric (from application-centric).
[15:37:06] <Runaway1956> No, that seems to be a common complaint elsewhere. I agree that the application shouldn't determine what your various control keys do.
[15:37:44] <Teckla> When using my wife's iMac, fiddling between Cmd+Tab and Cmd+` to find the right window is pretty annoying. I'm sure a lot of people like it.
[15:38:29] <Runaway1956> Most certainly depends on your background - if you've been a Mac person for 20 years, you will expect every computer to behave like you've learned
[15:38:51] <Runaway1956> fortunately for us, we can migrate from one to another and back again
[15:39:24] <janrinok> That's a good point - change is rarely greeted with open arms.
[15:40:16] <progo> http://www.quickmeme.com
[15:40:16] <progo> > I used to be with it and then they changed what "it" was. Now what I'm with isn't "it" and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me. It will happen to you!
[15:40:51] * progo clutches his Blackberry with broken volume switches
[15:43:33] <progo> Alt-Tab is for cycling through open windows. shouldn't be anything else
[15:44:01] <progo> MS Edge on Windows breaks this. Each tab, inside a window, gets an entry in the alt-tab list. but each Edge window is only one entry on the TASK BAR
[15:44:03] <progo> confusing!
[15:44:09] <progo> change it back
[15:57:09] <Runaway1956> HAH!! I turned off "natural" scrolling, now my mouse and trackpad behave like Windows & Linux
[16:05:10] <Runaway1956> Cool resource, just found it - well worth bookmarking
[16:05:19] <Runaway1956> https://edu.gcfglobal.org
[16:05:19] <systemd> ^ 03macOS Basics: Navigating macOS
[16:06:00] <Runaway1956> might be better to go in through the lobby or front page - https://edu.gcfglobal.org
[16:06:01] <systemd> ^ 03Free Online Learning at GCFGlobal
[16:07:53] <Runaway1956> https://youtu.be
[16:07:55] <systemd> ^ 03GCFGlobal ( https://www.youtube.com )
[16:36:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 50 Room Temperature Qbits by 2025 - https://sylnt.us - cat's-not-dead-until-the-box-is-opened
[17:18:46] <Teckla> progo: Great meme! Very funny! :)
[17:18:49] <Teckla> progo++
[17:18:49] <Bender> karma - progo: 7
[17:50:41] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[17:50:42] <systemd> ^ 03WATCH LIVE: Kyle Rittenhouse trial for Kenosha shooting continues - Day 5
[17:51:05] <Runaway1956> Grosskreutz on the stand, he's not doing prosecution any good at all - and slowly destroying any credibility he has
[18:14:54] <Runaway1956> Grosskreutz has all but admitted that he was going to shoot Rittenhouse, but keeps trying to weasel around an actual admission
[18:15:32] <Runaway1956> "I was moving toward Kyle, I had my gun out, the gun was aimed at his face, but but but"
[18:21:36] <Runaway1956> Court is in recess, and when it resumes it should be very interesting in light of the objection by prosecution and following chatter
[18:56:56] <FatPhil> what was the objection?
[18:57:15] <FatPhil> "objection, my witness has said a bit too much and wishes to retract some"?
[19:23:52] <Runaway1956> Oh, the objection was something along the lines of "asking witness for hearsay evidence"
[19:24:11] <Runaway1956> Trial is resuming, and the questions have been approved
[19:24:28] <Runaway1956> Grosskreutz is going to be required to answer questions he would rather not answer.
[19:29:16] <Runaway1956> And, Mr. Marshall, who can deny or verify Grosskreutz testimony has made himself scarce, so can't be called to the witness stand.
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[19:41:18] <Runaway1956> at issue is the quote posted on the internet, apparently quoting Grosskreutz, "My only regret is not killing Rittenhouse"
[19:45:45] <chromas> my only regret...is that I have...bone-itis
[19:46:17] <FatPhil> boneritis? you're worse than rubaway!
[19:46:58] <Runaway1956> Lying bastard says "I never intentionally pointed my gun at the defendant"
[19:47:05] <Runaway1956> video proves otherwise
[19:47:07] <chromas> boneriasis
[19:54:21] <FatPhil> "who were you pointing the gun at at the time when everyone claims you were pointing it at the defendent?"
[19:55:42] <FatPhil> see if he can be trapped into saying "nobody", and then "so you were pointing it at the ground?" yields a "yes". Then mate with "Where was the defendent at the time?"
[19:56:48] <Runaway1956> LOL - good one FatPhil - "the defendant was on the ground at my feet, the gun was just accidentally pointed at his face"
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[20:06:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Glue Sticks Easily, Holds Strongly, and is a Gas to Pull Apart - https://sylnt.us
[20:06:52] <chromas> ooh, a gas. sounds like it'll be good for my farts & crass
[21:32:49] <Teckla> Runaway1956: Are you retired?
[21:59:33] <FatPhil> ‘I Choose God’s Immunity’
[22:09:16] <Teckla> FatPhil: Great words for a gravestone
[22:23:45] <FatPhil> s/oo/o/
[22:23:45] <SedBot> <FatPhil> ‘I Chose God’s Immunity’
[22:23:49] <FatPhil> ;-)
[22:28:35] <Teckla> :D
[22:35:11] <FatPhil> God's immunity is a nice concept, and one that's possibly even true - even atheists will admit that every god is immune to covid.
[22:36:41] <FatPhil> A statement that's vaxxuously true.
[22:43:18] * Teckla chuckles.
[23:10:38] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com Nate says he's a lawyer, I withhold opinion on that matter . . .
[23:10:40] <systemd> ^ 03Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Week 1 | The State's Case | 50 Hours in 10 Minutes.
[23:20:26] <Runaway1956> Out of the blue, someone sends me links to proof of insurance for three vehicles - should I be concerned?
[23:20:53] <Runaway1956> Maybe they planning to run me over three times?
[23:50:07] <FatPhil> were they also selling kneecap insurance?