#soylent | Logs for 2021-11-02
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[00:47:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - France Gets a New Anti-Piracy Agency in 2022 - https://sylnt.us
[01:23:42] <Runaway1956> "Never trust an actor with a gun." -- Abraham Lincoln
[01:45:37] <chromas> ah, found FatPhil's trailer https://www.youtube.com
[01:45:38] <systemd> ^ 03Zeros and Ones Trailer #1 (2021)
[01:45:51] <chromas> "This trailer feels like a random group of sentences, behind some music. I actually didn't understand the movie concept at all."
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[03:16:34] <progo> I can feel my second ever soylent news post creeping to the top of the queue…
[03:16:35] <progo> exciting
[03:16:44] <progo> but I have no idea what time zone(s) the web site is in
[03:23:24] <Bytram> =w UTC
[03:23:25] <systemd> Coordinated Universal Time or UTC is the primary time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time. It is within about 1 second of mean solar - https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:23:42] <Bytram> progo: ^^^
[03:24:36] <progo> how come the time in my story's URL has come and gone (in UTC) and it's not live yet?
[03:24:38] <progo> (not a complaint)
[03:25:10] <progo> well there it goes
[03:25:10] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[03:25:11] <systemd> ^ 03"Trojan Source" Bug Threatens the Security of All Code - SoylentNews
[03:25:17] <Bytram> this one?
[03:25:20] <progo> but it was not live like 10 minutes ago
[03:25:45] <progo> maybe caches or something
[03:25:47] <progo> no worries
[03:26:15] <progo> Bytram: thanks for clarifying my jargon, too
[03:26:30] <Bytram> looks to be live, now!
[03:26:40] <progo> yep
[03:26:52] <Bytram> teamwork++
[03:26:52] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 62
[03:28:15] * Bytram tested the implementation of Unicode on SoylentNews. =)
[03:28:31] <progo> you are brave
[03:28:47] <progo> I know the fork point from slashcode was … wtfish
[03:29:02] * Bytram notes that the green site still does not support Unicode
[03:29:13] <progo> and I know Soylent has supported unicode only, as long as I've read it
[03:29:19] <progo> yes
[03:30:00] <Bytram> thank TMB for implementing it.
[03:30:43] <Bytram> It's getting late here...
[03:30:56] <Bytram> time to hit the sack
[03:31:04] <progo> Bytram: would you recommend I as a personal server owner run an IRC client called Convos, as a service for me, even if it's written in Perl? https://convos.chat I'm afraid of Perl really
[03:31:05] <systemd> ^ 03About Convos - The simplest IRC client around
[03:31:23] <progo> I've seen some nasty examples of "if you do what's in the manual, your app is full of exploits"
[03:31:36] <progo> currently using Quassel
[03:31:41] <progo> oh sorry. gn
[03:34:28] <Bytram> progo: My only exp with IRC comes as being a user on this site, and getting a few additional perms so that if something goes sideways, someone else could guide me in helping get thing stabilized...
[03:34:55] <Bytram> don't have any input or suggestion in that area.
[03:35:05] <progo> okay. have a good night
[03:36:11] <Bytram> there are others here who could do (much much) more to help you sort things out.
[03:36:24] <progo> I'll blather about it later probably
[03:36:28] <Bytram> good luck!!!
[03:36:45] <progo> also i'll look at the app's bug list
[03:36:53] <Bytram> chromas: boru: ^^^
[03:37:06] <Bytram> ;)
[03:37:14] <Bytram> ciao for now.
[03:37:16] <progo> thanks
[03:37:17] <progo> gn
[03:38:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Trojan Source" Bug Threatens the Security of All Code - https://sylnt.us - sky-is-falling-again
[03:39:08] <chromas> is convos really the simplest? What about ii?
[03:42:05] <progo> my understanding so far: Convos is a perl app. it is an IRC proxy client thing with most web browsers as the actual client. irc session lives forever in the proxy and doesn't log out unless you tell it to. includes a personal pastebin, and stuff like inline previews for any urls shared in a channel
[03:42:20] <progo> I've heard it's very hard to make a perl web app actually secure
[03:42:32] <progo> input sanitization issues all over the system
[03:44:42] <progo> i'm using quassel now (C++, Qt, split proxy and end user client). Quassel is definitely a lot easier to deploy than how Convos might work
[04:00:08] <chromas> quassel's pretty sweet, though it's missing some features of other clients, like DCC
[04:00:36] <chromas> and a decent log search system. there was a webby search but I think it was abandoned
[04:02:47] <chromas> I don't know about perl code being hard to secure; I'm pretty sure programmers of other languages are doing a pretty good job at that
[04:30:34] <progo> The Lounge (similar. not Perl) or Convos has a ticket saying "we will NOT implement DCC."
[04:30:37] <progo> I kinda agree
[04:30:54] <progo> quassel's log search system is "it's an sqlite file. have fun."
[04:31:48] <progo> I'll use "what are the known bugs and fixed bugs like" as my rubric for Convos, and maybe give it a try this month
[04:32:12] <progo> The Lounge doesn't have an integrated pastebin
[05:27:49] <chromas> I'm using postgres and made a crappy search page for it
[05:28:00] <chromas> also have a Lounge instance set up somewhere
[05:28:45] <chromas> oh maybe I deleted it
[05:29:56] <chromas> We tested a couple of those webby clients as replacements for the current sn irc webpage since its development is dead, like our irc server
[06:27:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CT Scan of a Pumpkin - https://sylnt.us - Why-can't-every-day-can-be-Halloween?
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[08:23:39] <boru> Looks like ms messed up their TLS cert deployment here in .de this morning. All of their .de domains have the .com wildcard certs on them, it seems.
[08:23:52] <boru> The joys of cloud bullshit, and corporate dependency on ms...
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[08:40:26] <chromas> Sounds like we just need to reinvent the way DNS is done. Put it in the cloud
[08:40:37] <chromas> oh TLS. Put it in the cloud!
[09:05:34] <FatPhil> how would you trust it? you'd need some kind of proof-of-work scheme, surely?
[09:06:22] <chromas> That's old hat. We've got proof of storage space now. Who's got more storage than MS, Google and the NSA?
[09:06:40] <chromas> 🎵Ch-ch-ch-chia!🎵
[09:16:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - John Carmack Issues Some Words of Warning for Meta and its Metaverse Plans - https://sylnt.us - building-blocks
[11:06:49] <FatPhil> Headline: "World leaders promise to end deforestation by 2030". Twisted interpretation: "Total deforestation of the planet must be completed no later than 31 Dec 2029".
[11:07:35] <chromas> FatPhil++
[11:07:35] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 154
[11:07:48] <chromas> Alternatively, redefine "deforestation"
[12:06:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Wants iPhones to Detect Car Crashes, Auto-Dial 911 - https://sylnt.us
[12:07:10] <chromas> Another copycat feature
[12:07:10] <chromas> Windows already detects crashes and auto-dials Microsoft
[12:45:40] <FatPhil> you spammin'?
[13:00:08] <chromas> Headline showed up a second time; coming up with a new crappy joke sounds like work
[13:11:05] <FatPhil> =yt one ronnie
[13:11:06] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The One Ronnie (47:57; 126,093 views; 👍657 👎35)
[13:15:59] <inz> chromas, and Microsoft auto-dials you with an indian accent?
[14:46:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Student Cracks the High-Dimensional Quantum Code - https://sylnt.us - get-unknotted
[16:12:15] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://arstechnica.com from the no-excuses dept.
[16:12:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pushing Renewable Power Immediately Could Save Trillions in Health Costs" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[17:25:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Fi is Getting (Limited) End-to-End Encrypted Phone Calls - https://sylnt.us
[20:15:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Store 5 Gigabytes Using "5D" Optical Data Storage, Claim Up to 500 Terabytes Possible - https://sylnt.us
[20:34:27] <Runaway1956> Whoo-hooo - upgrading wireless network from a jumbled mess of stuff, to a Netgear mesh network
[20:36:29] <Runaway1956> There should be no more crying about "I can't connect"
[20:36:36] <Runaway1956> One password to rule them all!
[20:37:23] <Runaway1956> Plus, I can monitor attached devices from one screen - no more juggling screens - no more wondering "WTF is THAT device?"
[20:56:26] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[20:57:23] <chromas> Runaway1956: Netgear wifi? My condolences
[21:01:10] <Runaway1956> I rather like Netgear - for consumer grade stuff, it's open source, and you can install whichever firmware you like
[21:01:19] <Runaway1956> DD-WRT is good stuff, IMO
[21:02:06] <chromas> I wonder if my switch that always wants to redirect to netgear's website has open source firmware
[21:02:32] <chromas> also, I'm pretty sure the configuration page comes by dial-up carrier pigeon
[21:02:56] <Runaway1956> probly not - unless you set something to netgear website, like maybe NTP or some such
[21:03:55] <Runaway1956> Now, can you direct me to some "networking for dummies" so I can integrate my wired network with the wireless?
[21:04:21] <Runaway1956> I can't share files and folders between wired computer and wireless
[21:04:40] <chromas> Don't know anything about mesh wifis
[21:04:47] <Runaway1956> KK
[21:04:54] <chromas> ...K
[21:05:10] <Runaway1956> nope, no Kool Kolored Kids here
[21:05:19] <chromas> racist
[21:05:25] <chromas> that's kool kids of kolor
[21:05:48] <chromas> Should be able to set it to be a bridge to your lan instead of NAT
[21:05:52] <Runaway1956> though I did see a brown hottie of color yesterday
[21:06:22] <chromas> mmm...chocolate
[21:06:24] <Runaway1956> I'll have to check it out later, I'm about out of screwaround time today
[21:07:46] <chromas> I'm imagining that it's got its own NAT-ed subnet, so you'd need to disable that. I know regular routers usually have a special Bridge Mode that makes them just an access point into the lan, without its own dhcp and stuff
[21:07:47] <Runaway1956> Holy shit - I have a couple hundred tabs open again - each tab is so little I have a hard time clicking it
[21:08:01] * chromas gives Runaway1956 Tree Style Tabs
[21:08:27] * Runaway1956 slips off a branch and hits every branch on the way to the ground
[21:08:38] <Runaway1956> why do you hate me?
[21:08:58] <chromas> Everyone else was doing it...I just wanted to be popular
[21:09:17] <Runaway1956> Okay, so you're poplar, not birch.
[21:12:42] <chromas> the birch isn't in right now
[21:13:18] <Runaway1956> When you carry firewood in, that will change.
[21:18:21] <chromas> No need for wood; I've got gas
[21:18:39] <chromas> https://www.nbclosangeles.com
[21:18:40] <systemd> ^ 03Boxes Seen Strewn Along LA Railroad Tracks Amid Cargo Container Theft
[21:19:32] <chromas> I like how the the page, title and bot all have different titles for the same link
[21:33:39] <Runaway1956> https://apnews.com
[21:33:40] <systemd> ^ 03Instigator or victim? Rittenhouse on trial in Kenosha
[21:34:05] <Runaway1956> APnews is being far more neutral on this than most of the other networks
[21:34:21] <Runaway1956> Not really neutral, but better than the rest
[22:48:21] <Bytram> =asub https://www.sciencedaily.com
[22:48:30] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Drinking Linked to a Decline in Brain Health From Cradle to Grave: Harm Prevention Policies Must Tak" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:56:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Yahoo Pulls Out of China Over "Challenging" Business Conditions - https://sylnt.us
[23:07:56] <Runaway1956> Bytram - if your brain declines from cradle to grave, what of it?
[23:08:12] <Runaway1956> Do you plan on using your brain after the grave?
[23:12:55] <Bytram> Nor any of the weeks, months, and years that precede them?
[23:13:05] <Bytram> tai
[23:13:19] <Bytram> (Think About It)
[23:18:38] <Bytram> if you still can =)
[23:26:11] <Runaway1956> lol
[23:27:47] <Runaway1956> You should read this (again?) Bytram
[23:27:50] <Runaway1956> https://eflorence.wordpress.com
[23:27:51] <systemd> ^ 03“Sliding Home…Woo Hoo! What a Ride!…”
[23:33:53] * Bytram has had far too many friends struggle with alcoholism... I would not wish it on anyone. "At first it was fun! Then it was fun, with troubles. Then it was *just* troubles."
[23:34:54] <progo> my mom wouldn't trink any alcohol until like 5 or 10 years after her father died from alcoholism and smoking
[23:35:01] <progo> *drink
[23:38:23] <Runaway1956> “Do you want to live forever?” --Dan Daly
[23:39:22] <Runaway1956> “Wer sind diese teufelshunde?” --Some Forgotten German
[23:39:29] <Bytram> =g star trek Q continuum
[23:39:29] <systemd> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com - Q Continuum | Memory Alpha | Fandom
[23:40:03] <progo> I understand addiction, a little, from outside
[23:40:21] <progo> but I don't understand at all dumb-ass 18 year olds and 20 somethings getting smashed 3 or 4 nights a week
[23:40:30] <progo> I've been properly drunk, like… once
[23:40:39] <progo> why the hell would I want to get that sick again, on purpose?
[23:40:44] <Runaway1956> I think it proves how manly they are progo
[23:41:01] <progo> lady friend got me drunk. she was drunker :^)
[23:42:52] <Bytram> the closer one looks, the more dire the circumstances. They cannot quit, even when they desperately want to. :(
[23:42:56] <progo> my niece is "a good drunk driver"
[23:43:02] <progo> told our family at the dinner table
[23:43:20] <progo> she's eventually going to hurt someone and lose her nursing career before she finishes school
[23:43:33] <Bytram> ... so far
[23:43:56] <Runaway1956> I can sorta halfway understand people who like to drink - I drank my share when I was younger
[23:44:05] <Runaway1956> But getting drunk is for fools
[23:44:54] <Runaway1956> The drunkest I've ever been was totally unintentional
[23:45:15] <Runaway1956> Buncha Germans filled me full of jagermeister, and I went out like a light
[23:45:44] <Runaway1956> First and only time for that!
[23:46:43] <progo> yep
[23:46:58] <progo> last night I had hot cocoa with 2 ounces of rum
[23:47:09] <progo> like 45 minutes later I wind down at the computer and flow into bed
[23:47:10] <Bytram> and that's the difference. An alcoholic's mind it different. When most people's brains say "That's enough", a real alcoholic's mind says "NOW you're talking! Give me more of that!"
[23:47:22] <progo> I'm thinking "why am I feeling weird and light headed? … oh. derp."
[23:47:36] <progo> that's a hard night of drinking for me in my 40s
[23:47:41] <Runaway1956> I pulled a cruel one on my stepson years ago -
[23:47:54] <Runaway1956> On the way home from work, I told him I wanted "a drink"
[23:48:17] <Runaway1956> We stopped at the pub, I ordered a Scotch and water, sat there for awhile, and sipped it down.
[23:48:36] <Runaway1956> Got up, ready to leave, he says "Are you out of money, or what?"
[23:48:54] <Runaway1956> Told him I wanted "a drink", I've had "a drink" and I'm ready to go
[23:49:03] <Runaway1956> Kid just couldn't understant that.
[23:49:07] <progo> ha
[23:49:28] <Bytram> so you did not pay?
[23:49:51] <Bytram> that was the joke, right
[23:49:57] <Runaway1956> Nope I paid for my drink - DID NOT pay for a drink for him - he was broke as broke could be and couldn't buy a drink
[23:50:05] <Bytram> you wanted HIM to pay for it
[23:50:31] <Runaway1956> The joke was, I made him sit and watch me drink a drink, while he had none
[23:50:34] <Bytram> oh, k
[23:50:52] <Bytram> biam dished
[23:50:57] <Bytram> biam dishes
[23:51:13] * Runaway1956 did dishes last week