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[01:16:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Machine Learning Can be Fair and Accurate - https://sylnt.us - Quis-custodiet-ipsos-custodes?
[01:17:20] <chromas> But will it?
[01:18:06] <chromas> "PHP Can Run Snappy Websites"
[01:36:56] <kyonko`|2> it needs a db
[01:37:19] <kyonko`|2> wasn't db the solution to a web page defacing problem of the late 1990's early 2000's?
[01:37:35] <kyonko`|2> remember when jp and carolyn meinel were defaced as charlatans
[01:37:42] <kyonko`|2> remember eugene spafford
[01:38:08] <kyonko`|2> now javascript runs trojans in your victims web browser
[01:39:08] <kyonko`|2> I don't know, or care of web tech unless its wordpress
[01:39:44] <chromas> javascript's always run trojans in my victims' browsers
[01:40:01] <kyonko`|2> thats not new
[01:40:05] <kyonko`|2> but remember when it was?
[01:40:07] <chromas> That's why I loves it soo much; it just bypasses the whole "don't execute random code off the internet" adage
[01:40:15] <kyonko`|2> yep
[01:40:28] <kyonko`|2> look at all the shit in an .apk file
[01:40:40] <kyonko`|2> i didn't know android developing was so bizarre
[01:40:51] <kyonko`|2> and now its something else
[01:41:15] <kyonko`|2> android and iphone brought computing to everyone
[01:41:39] <kyonko`|2> look at all the early bsd and linux code in 92-93
[01:41:42] <kyonko`|2> all open source
[01:41:55] <kyonko`|2> starting from the boot loader, in case you doubted microsoft's mbr
[01:42:13] <chromas> I do
[01:42:19] <kyonko`|2> you must be ancient
[01:42:21] <kyonko`|2> and a unix beard
[01:42:38] <chromas> oh I mean I doubt(ed) ms mbr
[01:42:56] <kyonko`|2> fdisk /mbr
[01:43:15] <kyonko`|2> undocumented feature
[01:44:49] <chromas> I prefer "illegal mitigant"
[01:45:19] <kyonko`|2> illegal operation
[01:45:31] <kyonko`|2> this software is protected by international law and treaties
[01:45:40] <kyonko`|2> remember when gates was on his way to world domination?
[01:45:42] <chromas> trick-or-treaties
[01:45:46] <kyonko`|2> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD
[01:46:08] <kyonko`|2> then you got the stack dump in windows if you were lucky
[01:46:11] <chromas> and now he got there with his nanobot covid marlariasquitoes
[01:46:30] <kyonko`|2> i want his plans in paper tape reels
[01:46:30] <chromas> (with a 5g in the stock)
[01:46:55] <kyonko`|2> gates was plotting world domination on a mits altair with tape reader
[01:47:22] <kyonko`|2> not magnetic either
[01:47:29] <kyonko`|2> but holes punched for each bit
[01:48:29] <chromas> kyonko`|2: s/ /t/
[01:48:29] <SedBot> <chromas> <kyonko`|2> buttholes punched for each bit
[01:48:55] <kyonko`|2> drwxrwxrwx
[01:49:15] <kyonko`|2> I didn't know julian assange was a @netbsd.org dev
[01:49:26] <kyonko`|2> thought he was going to save the world with wget
[01:50:02] <kyonko`|2> i'll never forget that one foot hop he was doing when he was being carried away
[01:50:38] <kyonko`|2> there aren't much pics of him alive since then
[01:50:51] <kyonko`|2> its always that image of him behind the wet droplet car window
[01:51:04] <kyonko`|2> same images of edward snowden
[01:51:16] <kyonko`|2> BUT DIFFERENT AND NEW IMAGES OF PUTIN :-)
[01:51:27] <chromas> they're all disney deepfakes now
[01:54:04] <AzumaHazuki> take your Geodon and go the fuck to bed, holy shit
[01:54:27] <kyonko`|2> put me down
[01:54:33] <kyonko`|2> i know you wanna
[01:54:58] <chromas> 🎵Good ol' Yeller! Come back Yeller...🎵
[01:55:06] <kyonko`|2> yeller got rabies?
[01:55:15] <chromas> Got put down
[01:55:21] <kyonko`|2> because he got rabies?
[01:55:43] <kyonko`|2> it's really hard to detect rabies in the wild
[01:56:00] <kyonko`|2> usually you don't notice it till your pets stop drinking water and can't swallow saliva so they foam
[01:56:05] <chromas> Yeah. Insult by shotty
[01:57:04] <kyonko`|2> other wise, you don't know they have it, doesn't matter what era it is, pre-history, rome, napoleon, ww2
[01:57:30] <kyonko`|2> but bubonic plague is WELL documented
[01:58:22] <kyonko`|2> if old yeller was a mad dog, how'd he get infront of the gun or something
[01:58:39] <kyonko`|2> the saying goes rabid animals always bite, its how they spread it
[01:59:05] <kyonko`|2> but science says its just a neurological paralysing disease that is always fatal without immunization and boosters
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[02:00:51] <kyonko`|2> the fatality rate of rabies is very rare for a viral disease
[02:03:18] <kyonko`|2> you want to waste some time, its on google that rabies can incubate for 2 years
[02:03:39] <kyonko`|2> why would anyone lie about that
[02:12:43] <kyonko`|2> linux is not ready for the desktop
[02:12:54] <kyonko`|2> linux and bsd are not for journalists
[02:13:24] <kyonko`|2> i knew assange was a journalist, but a @netbsd.org dev?
[02:13:46] <kyonko`|2> (he was a db guy who made sure the OS would be one with postgresql)
[02:18:13] <kyonko`|2> https://citizenfreepress.com
[02:18:14] <systemd> ^ 03PHOTOS — This is the woman Alec Baldwin put in charge of firearms for his low budget film…
[02:18:18] <kyonko`|2> WARNING: wordpress site
[02:18:35] <kyonko`|2> runs malicious code on your browser
[02:45:14] <AmyMalik> erk
[02:48:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EU Scientists Reveal Long-Term Brain Damage Caused by Covid-19 - https://sylnt.us
[02:49:48] <AmyMalik> oh
[03:09:33] <kyonko`|2> https://i.4cdn.org
[03:09:54] <kyonko`|2> covid-19 is worse for your brain than the NFL
[03:10:05] <kyonko`|2> no matter how much more PPE they give those guys
[03:10:27] <kyonko`|2> there is no PPE (think ancient samurai) for a "knee reap"
[03:11:27] <kyonko`|2> https://i.4cdn.org
[03:32:46] <AzumaHazuki> get off /pol/, it's rotting your brain
[03:32:54] <AmyMalik> :/
[03:34:40] <kyonko`|2> what happened to moot?
[03:34:50] <kyonko`|2> he probably works for facebook.... for life
[03:36:10] <kyonko`|2> everyone who gets interviewed by facebook or google gets scared
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[03:47:16] <SoyCow3801> THere's a new social network coming out.
[03:47:32] <AmyMalik> It's an agpl vio
[03:47:33] <SoyCow3801> Like all social networks, I am willing to give them a chance...but only if they allow naming the Jew
[03:47:46] <AmyMalik> ah yes, antisemitism
[03:47:48] <AmyMalik> Deucalion,
[03:48:04] <SoyCow3801> After all, "science" is allowing ideas to be held up to scrutiny rather than blanket censorship...
[03:48:15] <SoyCow3801> ...politically expedient to the ruling regime.
[03:48:50] <SoyCow3801> You like "science," don't you?
[03:50:08] <SoyCow3801> I'm hearing all this bluster about "science" and how it should be respected, but it's really just a bunch of Jews trying to profit by forcing their poisons upon Goyim.
[03:50:29] <AzumaHazuki> science is the reason you're shtting here shitposting on a computer instead of knucklewalking around somewhere in the Alps half-dead of iodine deficiency, you scabrous cockholster
[03:51:08] <SoyCow3801> That's funny, I haven't received iodide supplements in years. I use the snob salt which unfortunately is not iodized.
[03:51:24] <AzumaHazuki> this explains the rampant cretinism!
[03:52:24] <SoyCow3801> Naming Jewish anti-science will be the best scientific occurrence of the decade. When it is allowed, of course.
[03:53:11] <AzumaHazuki> the irony here is so thick you can cut it with a knife. what religion was Jesus, smart boy? give you a hint: he wasn't a Hare Krishna!
[03:53:36] <SoyCow3801> A strong battle will be fought to try and ensure it isn't, because Zionists are going to use the anti-Bolshevik entrenchment to themselves become re-entrenched, perhaps enough to start another bullshit war.
[03:54:45] <AzumaHazuki> on the plus side, after you're dead for speaking truth to power, we can recreate you perfectly with a small Markov bot and some string manipulation...
[03:54:48] <AzumaHazuki> so we have that
[03:54:59] <SoyCow3801> We will get a lot of satisfying "leaks" from Bolshevik organizations and big tech, while big Zionism will step in to provide shadowy direction to America's foreign policy
[03:56:01] <SoyCow3801> Maybe they can get that war with Iran they've been wanting for awhile. Or keep poking the Bear while the Jews and the Dragon are the real enemies.
[03:57:47] <SoyCow3801> So here is where I pitch my idea again:
[03:58:31] <SoyCow3801> We let big cities become city-states, free to make their own laws if they're willing to lower or give up entirely their congressional representation.
[03:58:52] <SoyCow3801> Because bit cities are run by Jews, and Jews serve nobody but themselves.
[03:59:25] <SoyCow3801> It's like instead of making one jew wear that hat that looks like an antenna, we basically apply that hat to the whole city
[03:59:43] <SoyCow3801> People who want the benefits those people offer, choose to live in the city.
[04:01:09] <SoyCow3801> It's not even functionally different from New York City and L.A. (probably also Portland and Seattle)
[04:01:27] <kyonko`|2> never forget life care centers of seattle
[04:01:33] <kyonko`|2> ground 0 for covaids1984
[04:02:09] <SoyCow3801> except for equalizing the ridiculous numbers of illegals fraudulently contributing to census and redistricting calculations.
[04:02:13] <kyonko`|2> they were supposed to keep the evacuated americans from china in alaska
[04:02:34] <kyonko`|2> meanwhile 400 americans remain missing in afghanistan
[04:02:50] <kyonko`|2> instead the governor-dictators sent them to nursing homes
[04:03:16] <kyonko`|2> thats strange....
[04:03:32] <SoyCow3801> With Jews, YOU LOSE.
[04:03:38] <kyonko`|2> some novel virus isn't quarantined correctly in a air force base in alaska
[04:03:39] <SoyCow3801> Do you not agree?
[04:04:08] <SoyCow3801> If you don't respond to that question, you agree, that with Jews, YOU LOSE!
[04:04:24] <kyonko`|2> so what was the point of all this besides scaring a bunch of people to get mysterious innoculations to go back to normal
[04:05:00] <SoyCow3801> Somebody's hands were forced too soon.
[04:05:34] <kyonko`|2> singapore and israel are the most innoculated nations on earth
[04:05:39] <kyonko`|2> they were born of un mandate in 1948
[04:05:52] <kyonko`|2> along with that big nasty african looking country
[04:06:02] <SoyCow3801> Additionally, Jews are not very self-aware people. Turns out they're not very likeable, by anybody.
[04:06:54] <SoyCow3801> Jews believe that taking pre-emptive action against anybody they believe maybe someday might try to harm them for some nebulous reason is totally justified, to include murder.
[04:07:01] <SoyCow3801> It's talmudic.
[04:08:06] <kyonko`|2> c h o s e n i t e s
[04:08:29] <SoyCow3801> So basically, when they realize that they're starting to piss everybody off for well-justified reasons, they don't bother to stop pissing people off. They just mark those people for genocide, profiting in the process, because "they were gonna do it to us even though we deserved it."
[04:09:02] <SoyCow3801> That in a nutshell is the Jewish mentality toward Goys.
[04:10:06] <SoyCow3801> "Respect everybody" my ass
[04:10:31] <AzumaHazuki> so when do you two get married?
[04:10:40] <SoyCow3801> Respect -> equality -> equity. Tell Blacks they're too dumb for math and blame it on Whitey.
[04:11:11] <SoyCow3801> This is a broadcast message, for everybody faggot or not.
[04:16:18] <SoyCow3801> The most likely scenario is Republicans retaking everything, first in '22 and then '24 -- and along with them, entrenched Zionism.
[04:16:39] <SoyCow3801> The Jews will allow those people to be happy in exchange for their support of Israel.
[04:17:34] <SoyCow3801> Quality of life in America will increase a smidge, although it is not even close to the quality of life they should have, it might be enough to be supportive of the Zionist regime.
[04:18:15] <SoyCow3801> America's only hope will be pushing back against entrenched Jewish influence whether Bolshevik or Zionist.
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[04:21:41] <chromas> https://www.thingiverse.com
[04:21:42] <systemd> ^ 03Wedge Sandal by SexyCyborg
[04:21:52] <chromas> If my printer wasn't so tiny I could print me some shoes
[04:23:50] <kyonko`|2> 3d print some nitro compound explosives
[04:24:32] <chromas> interesting idea. I could print out poo glyphs to get explosive diarrhea
[04:24:47] <chromas> or just hang out here and watch you work
[04:24:51] <kyonko`|2> people who are pre-op heart surgery take nitro compounds
[04:25:00] <kyonko`|2> i always wondered how they and the tsa got along
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[04:51:25] <Jew_Fragility> After I am kickbanned, I will be accused of "White Fragility." Also, fuck Jew scum shits beady-eyed rat-fink weasels. G_d made them stink so that even Black people would hate them.
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[04:51:45] <kyonko`|2> lol @ g*D
[04:51:51] <Jew_Fragility> Yeah, that's right. Jews stink!
[04:51:53] <kyonko`|2> G-d
[04:52:01] <kyonko`|2> Yh*h
[04:52:14] <kyonko`|2> J*sus
[04:52:23] <Jew_Fragility> Jews STINK!
[04:52:24] <kyonko`|2> remember the stink jesux made on slashdot?
[04:52:54] <Jew_Fragility> Sladhdot are Jew-owned. Have been, since their inception, really.
[04:53:06] <Jew_Fragility> It just wasn't very obvious until Pudge, and later Timothy
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[04:54:18] <kyonko`|2> https://www.zdnet.com
[04:54:19] <systemd> ^ 03Jesux hoax uncovered | ZDNet
[04:55:24] <kyonko`|2> http://pudge.net
[04:55:24] <systemd> ^ 03Jesux
[04:57:08] <kyonko`|2> there was also a more vulgar website
[04:57:14] <kyonko`|2> around the same time
[04:57:30] <kyonko`|2> i wonder if its on archive.org along with goatse.cx
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[05:06:00] <SoyCow7907> So we agree, then, that Jews are the problem?
[05:06:31] <SoyCow7907> It would be nice if more Jews spoke out about all those other Jews making them look bad.
[05:06:40] <SoyCow7907> At least took some effort.
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[05:06:58] <kyonko`|2> ...
[05:46:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Young Australians Lodge Human Rights Complaints With UN Over Alleged Government Inaction on Climate - https://sylnt.us - what-if-you-DO-live-to-be-100?
[06:26:20] <FatPhil> looks like there was an explosive case of jewarrhoea this morning
[06:27:01] <FatPhil> thanks for kicking, chromas, and maybe you could engage with him less, kyonkster?
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[07:45:28] <Runaway1956> The post office has gone all twilight zone on us - Tracking details
[07:45:33] <Runaway1956> Oct 25, 2021
[07:45:34] <Runaway1956> 6:13pm
[07:45:36] <Runaway1956> PROCESSED THROUGH USPS FACILITY
[07:45:38] <Runaway1956> UNKNOWN, 84198
[07:46:17] <Runaway1956> Entering that zip code into a USPS search says "you did not enter a valid ZIP code"
[07:47:40] <Runaway19XX> Just checked the logs. Not sure if there is anything of value here.
[07:48:15] <Runaway1956> Nothing of value to you, of course - pearls before swine and all that.
[07:49:47] <Runaway19XX> #weather 84198
[07:49:54] <MrPlow> 84198 - Today: "Light rain until evening." 49/40F, Humidity: 86%, Precip: 89%, Wind ~15mph. Wed: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 54/38F, Humidity: 74%, Precip: 13%, Wind ~14mph. Thu: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 51/36F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~11mph.
[07:53:24] <kyonko`|2> #weather 85621
[07:54:14] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[07:54:16] <systemd> ^ 03Exiled From Light - There is no beauty left here... [Full Album] (Depressive Black Metal)
[07:58:18] <Runaway19XX> https://www.reddit.com Mormons got your stuff, Runaway1956!
[07:58:21] <systemd> ^ 03r/USPS - Where the heck is zip code 84198?
[07:58:46] <kyonko`|2> Most of the modern guns were invented by a mormon from utah
[07:58:53] <kyonko`|2> strange fact
[07:59:04] <Runaway1956> Well that's good. I ordered a mailbox bomb because I'm tired of the old one.
[08:00:19] <Runaway19XX> =submit Doge is just too damn cute https://news.bitcoin.com
[08:00:21] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Elon Musk Reveals Real Reason He Supports Dogecoin, Says Many People at Tesla and Spacex Own DOGE " (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:01:06] <Runaway19XX> Browning? Winchester Hi-wall, not to mention the BAR.
[08:05:14] <kyonko`|2> winchester drive
[08:05:28] <kyonko`|2> wd0 in bsd
[08:06:26] <kyonko`|2> the BAR is the strangest gun out there
[08:06:47] <Runaway1956> Can I trust software written by Japanese?
[08:06:59] <kyonko`|2> you have japanese software?
[08:07:07] <kyonko`|2> their computers and software don't really get exported
[08:07:19] <Runaway1956> I didn't say anything like that, I just asked if I could trust it
[08:07:28] <kyonko`|2> if you can read it
[08:07:39] <kyonko`|2> they had really big problems in the mid 2000's with p2p networks and 4chan like forums
[08:07:42] <Runaway1956> I'll run it through Google Translate
[08:07:53] <kyonko`|2> is this the japanese unix progs?
[08:08:09] <Runaway1956> https://apps.apple.com
[08:08:10] <systemd> ^ 03‎LimeChat
[08:08:24] <kyonko`|2> japanese use irc a lot, but they are mostly on facebook now
[08:08:33] <kyonko`|2> and apple can not be trusted any more lol
[08:08:55] <Runaway1956> It probably gives you dancing girlie cartoons at the bottom of the screen
[08:08:59] <kyonko`|2> i don't think i'd trust a multi thousand dollar apple workstation to put gun flash and sound effects in my cg movies
[08:09:32] <kyonko`|2> maybe bruce willis should comment on baldwin's epic fail
[08:10:05] <kyonko`|2> how DID they get all that brass to be ejected from the gun with copious flash
[08:10:09] <kyonko`|2> literal strobe
[08:10:35] <kyonko`|2> the yellow strobe light from shooting guns is big time hollywood
[08:10:46] <kyonko`|2> also: unlimited ammo
[08:11:45] <Subsentient> It's weird how on one hand, your lungs are hurting bad enough you're afraid you're going to die, while simultaneously you're wishing for death.
[08:12:02] <kyonko`|2> you got covid?
[08:12:20] <Runaway1956> you cereal subsentient?
[08:12:27] <kyonko`|2> life is one shitty situation where you want to die one second and not the next and you don't know which one you are gonna die in
[08:12:47] <Subsentient> Just smoked too much weed and filterless cigarettes tonight lol
[08:12:54] <kyonko`|2> oooooooooooh
[08:13:04] <kyonko`|2> you get crazy panic attacks on weed
[08:13:19] <kyonko`|2> now I just get them on covfefe
[08:13:45] <Subsentient> I like the black american spirits and I rip the filters off, been doing that since I was 20. Those hurt your throat though, but they taste so good
[08:14:20] <Subsentient> I don't get panic attacks on weed, I just get goofy and annoying
[08:15:08] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: I'm alright. Suicidal ideation and dark humor is par for the course to anyone who knows me. :^P
[08:15:51] <Subsentient> God damn that exiled from light album is good. If you like metal, you gotta treat yourself
[08:16:10] <Subsentient> Reminds me of Burzum but without the murder
[08:17:04] <Runaway1956> Well, if anyone ever asks, macOS runs a couple orders of magnitude better on real hardware, vs virtual machines
[08:17:35] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: I know, right? I've never understood why it runs like shit even in KVM.
[08:17:48] * Subsentient loves KVM and QEMU
[08:18:03] <kyonko`|2> I tried american spirits long ago... I knew the difference
[08:18:08] <kyonko`|2> this was around 2009
[08:18:17] <kyonko`|2> thought I wasn't going to get FSC (fire safe cigarette) I did anyway
[08:18:32] <kyonko`|2> can't believe I didn't quit smoking before FSC were marketed
[08:18:40] <Runaway1956> finally got a macbook pro so I could play with it - will probably install Boot Camp, and use it for folding at home
[08:18:45] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: They're really harsh in general, lots of flavor though. Lot of nicotine, they give you a headache if you smoke em too fast.
[08:19:03] <kyonko`|2> it took me years to get rid of the withdrawls, I've been smoking since age 14
[08:19:06] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: M1?
[08:19:13] <kyonko`|2> my first love got me into it, she hasn't quit smoking and got fat
[08:19:29] <Runaway1956> Oh no, it's i9 9th gen intel
[08:19:40] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: i9 in a fucking macbook?
[08:19:56] <Subsentient> How is it not on fire?
[08:20:07] <Runaway1956> you can pick up 2019 model for about $1000 on Ebay
[08:20:22] <kyonko`|2> those are the "non-libre" macs
[08:20:36] <kyonko`|2> when did "lil snitch" stop working on macs?
[08:20:37] <Runaway1956> Grab one "for parts only" and you can get under $1000
[08:20:38] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: Well you know Apple is gonna kill Intel support in a year or so right?
[08:20:58] <kyonko`|2> people only liked macs to not have to deal with a BIOS
[08:21:02] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I know - and that's driving the price of older macs down a little
[08:21:36] <Runaway1956> of course, the price depends on how much memory and how much onboard storage
[08:21:43] <kyonko`|2> soldered SSD
[08:21:48] <Subsentient> I liked the old PowerMacs a lot, for Linux. The first year of SN when I first joined, I'd be typing into XChat on an eMac G4 running Debian.
[08:22:01] <kyonko`|2> a lot of people think Debian is hell
[08:22:04] <Runaway1956> the 2019 models still go over $3000 if they have lots of memory andn lots of room
[08:22:20] <Subsentient> I despise Debian, but it was the only one that had working 32-bit PowerPC support at that point
[08:22:24] <kyonko`|2> and linux is desktop ready, but then... how do you begin learning how it works
[08:22:26] <Subsentient> I'm a red hat man myself
[08:22:30] <Subsentient> Fedora since Fedora 9
[08:22:45] <kyonko`|2> I'm *nix agnostic
[08:23:13] <Subsentient> I prefer Linux. It's by far got the best hardware support, and the GNU coreutils are better than their BSD equivalents imho
[08:23:15] <kyonko`|2> i've been diving into the orgin of free operating systems for some reason
[08:23:21] <Runaway1956> And, if anyone is interested, Monterey desktop looks all purplish to me
[08:23:32] <Runaway1956> which is totally fokked for a color blind man
[08:23:40] <kyonko`|2> do free operating systems, free software, free hardware matter?
[08:23:59] <kyonko`|2> stallman says it doesn't need to be free as in no money paid, but free as in you are in control
[08:24:04] <Runaway1956> reminds me of Ubuntu that way
[08:24:14] <kyonko`|2> i'm a colorblind man
[08:24:45] <Runaway1956> TBH, I'm not quite color blind, but I can lose a red rose in green grass
[08:25:08] <kyonko`|2> oh come on
[08:25:10] <Subsentient> https://imgur.com
[08:25:13] <kyonko`|2> you can still see the shape of the rose
[08:25:29] <kyonko`|2> there is also that other kind of blindness, psychological blindness
[08:25:53] <kyonko`|2> like savage used to say "psychological nudity"
[08:25:56] <Runaway1956> well yeah, if you're standing on top of the rose, you can find it by shape
[08:26:14] <kyonko`|2> standing on top of a rose, that is the rose tickling your balls?
[08:26:23] <kyonko`|2> rose petals over your scrotum?
[08:26:23] <Runaway1956> can't count the times some woman in the car exclaimed over a rose bush or something in a field
[08:26:27] <Runaway1956> and I couldn't see it
[08:26:53] <kyonko`|2> there's a lot of shit that is hard to see around me
[08:26:56] <kyonko`|2> especially the damn hawks
[08:27:13] <Runaway1956> you live in Seattle?
[08:27:18] <kyonko`|2> I live in arizona
[08:27:28] <kyonko`|2> we have an overpopulation of hawks this covid years
[08:27:31] <Runaway1956> Well, Seahawks do travel
[08:27:32] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: Me too. East Valley?
[08:27:39] <kyonko`|2> no the border
[08:27:50] <Subsentient> Ahh, further south
[08:27:53] <kyonko`|2> i heard about that women who got a javelina to bite her forearm nasty
[08:27:55] <kyonko`|2> nasty scar
[08:28:01] <Runaway19XX> Arizona is Seattle, withou the rain or the democrats
[08:28:02] <kyonko`|2> i wonder if her fingers work
[08:28:19] <kyonko`|2> people who live in the city in arizona don't know the true grit of the climate here
[08:28:19] <Runaway1956> I know a javelina can totally destroy an aluminum truck rim
[08:29:16] <kyonko`|2> i tolerate arizona, like i would tolerate minesota if it was my birth state
[08:29:29] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: Arizona is the bastard child of california and florida, on fire.
[08:29:35] <Subsentient> (as an Arizonan)
[08:29:35] <kyonko`|2> they get frozen lakes, we get nasty heat
[08:29:50] <kyonko`|2> i've never lived thru the worst of the phoenix summer
[08:29:53] <kyonko`|2> as I live in high altitude
[08:30:00] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I've criss-crossed Arizona pretty extensively
[08:30:13] <Runaway1956> It's livable in a few river valleys
[08:30:19] <kyonko`|2> a lot of people don't seem to notice the 120F heat
[08:30:25] <Runaway1956> but there are very few river valleys in Arizona
[08:30:35] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: You *never* get used to the heat. I've lived in the suburbs of phoenix most of my life, you never get used to it.
[08:31:04] <Subsentient> This is a good place for tech right now though
[08:31:08] <Subsentient> especially around where I am
[08:31:22] <kyonko`|2> yeah well, I'm not feeling living life at all the way things turned out in the world
[08:31:23] <Subsentient> a lot of tech companies moving in to cities like Chandler and Tempe outside Phoenix
[08:31:30] <kyonko`|2> I know about that one
[08:32:37] <kyonko`|2> all these years and I still don't know the philosophy of UNIX
[08:32:50] <kyonko`|2> but I'm doing it for myself, as a philosophical caveman
[08:32:59] <kyonko`|2> not in the pursuit of money or siring children like abraham
[08:33:51] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: I know the pain. I'm alive purely out of obligation to others. I get nothing out of life, not for a very long time.
[08:34:20] <kyonko`|2> ok so I think you should know my age is 36
[08:34:29] <kyonko`|2> I should have died 5 years ago, by the skin of my teeth
[08:34:45] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: What happened?
[08:34:47] <kyonko`|2> I'm of mexican ancestry, so you know what our people are like, I am no slave
[08:34:57] <kyonko`|2> I have diabetes and high blood pressure
[08:35:03] <kyonko`|2> and other things
[08:35:30] <kyonko`|2> I would be caput had I not stopped drinking cold turkey, cigarettes were harder tho since I started at 14
[08:35:48] <kyonko`|2> my first love grew up to be a sheeple person and fat and can't quit smoking
[08:35:58] <kyonko`|2> i'm the last one standing "free"
[08:36:24] <kyonko`|2> all the death brouhaha from covid19 left a real bad taste in my mouth
[08:36:37] <kyonko`|2> I don't believe in caskets, or funerals, or whatever
[08:37:10] <kyonko`|2> I really hate that arizona freaks out every time the monsoon digs up a human skull
[08:37:24] <Subsentient> I want my organs used for others, and then the rest of my corpse hacked up and used for every disgusting purpose imaginable.
[08:37:26] <kyonko`|2> it's a skull, people have lived here for thousands of years
[08:37:48] <kyonko`|2> I have healthy organs
[08:38:16] <kyonko`|2> if I didn't get my disease under control I would lose my organs
[08:38:17] <Subsentient> Everything in me should be useful except my lungs are like that crispy lady in the wheelchair in that spongebob episode with the chocolate bars
[08:38:36] <kyonko`|2> I don't think people who get organs live fun lives in their bubbles
[08:38:42] <kyonko`|2> I worry about getting cancer
[08:39:03] <kyonko`|2> of course, the douchebags who run the world (from their bubbles) can waste all the organs they get
[08:39:13] <kyonko`|2> its like the shark cage
[08:39:25] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: That's the scary thing about cancer, isn't it? It's not the dying -- it's the fact you can't control it, and how it will likely be a painful death
[08:39:29] <kyonko`|2> when does a shark cage become a bdsm cage only its not bdsm
[08:39:46] <kyonko`|2> the worst from cancer is getting the infects from being weakened by chemo
[08:40:04] <kyonko`|2> and since covid19 all the healthcare has gone to shit
[08:40:34] <Subsentient> My mom is just getting over breast cancer. The chemo was really hard on her, almost killed her.
[08:40:45] <kyonko`|2> i am really pissed off about how half the people were looting and arsoning over george floyd in 2020 and the others were crazy scrubbing and mopping their homes
[08:41:09] <kyonko`|2> I can't get over how hard I was lied too over hygiene
[08:41:19] <kyonko`|2> besides, religion
[08:41:24] <kyonko`|2> but religion is vaporware
[08:41:51] * kyonko`|2 can't forget the soap and cleaning supplies shortage in 2020
[08:42:04] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: I guess I just stopped expecting people to behave rationally a long time ago.
[08:42:16] <kyonko`|2> how old are you?
[08:42:31] <Subsentient> 26, exactly 10 years your junior.
[08:42:35] <kyonko`|2> ok
[08:42:41] <kyonko`|2> thats waaaaaaaay out there
[08:42:49] <kyonko`|2> you have no idea how things are for people over 30
[08:43:10] <kyonko`|2> women who are 30 or above aren't into this whole incel and chad situation
[08:44:06] <Subsentient> If you want to know my whole deal, read the pleas for help from the broken, perpetually tortured souls in here. https://www.psychforums.com
[08:44:08] <systemd> ^ 03Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) Forum
[08:44:21] <kyonko`|2> I don't know that forum?
[08:44:28] <kyonko`|2> I heard of the social anxiety forums and the PUA forums
[08:44:51] <kyonko`|2> of course I read the incel forums to know what the youth is going thru
[08:45:09] <Subsentient> That's been the one I've been on. You don't get the mild cases of OCD in that forum. You get the really fucked up, tormented ones. I grew up with that, unmedicated, and it broke me.
[08:45:19] <kyonko`|2> oh yeah that
[08:45:23] <kyonko`|2> I have that
[08:45:39] <kyonko`|2> I was supposed to be the people targetted by the covid19 psy op
[08:46:57] <kyonko`|2> they have 100'000 members
[08:47:02] <kyonko`|2> and yet I've never seen them on google
[08:47:08] <Subsentient> Eh
[08:47:30] * Subsentient Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:47:55] <kyonko`|2> 386bsd 0.0 boot floppy would dump core to the first hard drive in the PC
[08:48:13] <kyonko`|2> I've been learning a lot about the history of the free operating systems
[08:48:23] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: What did you find?
[08:48:47] <kyonko`|2> nothing, but its going to make sense when I learn about the unix programming enviroment so I can make posix portable programs
[08:49:02] <kyonko`|2> I have cygwin installed right here on windows 7 pro
[08:49:38] <kyonko`|2> from a linux background, the bsd's have a lot of pitfalls that can result in losing all your data
[08:50:15] <kyonko`|2> of course linux and bsd get along in NFS and ftp and iso9660 cd and dvd and blurays
[08:50:17] <Subsentient> Nah, I've used FreeBSD and especially OpenBSD for a while, the tools are POSIX, but they suck because they're barebones lol
[08:50:35] <kyonko`|2> the file system is something else
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[08:50:51] <Subsentient> God BSD has terrible file systems
[08:50:54] <Subsentient> except for ZFS
[08:51:02] <Subsentient> and that's literally it
[08:51:07] <kyonko`|2> ZFS makes my fastest computer slow
[08:51:15] <kyonko`|2> I'm poor too
[08:51:18] <Subsentient> I don't use ZFS either
[08:51:27] <kyonko`|2> I trust ext2 to ext4
[08:51:37] <kyonko`|2> thats how it all started.... tracing the history of ext2
[08:51:41] <kyonko`|2> as I used ext2 in 1999
[08:51:44] <Subsentient> I use btrfs, but you can't really rely on the more fancy features, e.g. drive conversion actually sucks
[08:52:09] <Subsentient> the base functionality of btrfs is stable, but the higher raid and stuff,don't touch it
[08:52:23] <kyonko`|2> I don't know what the big deal about btrfs is... but a quick test on suse result in me being locked out because it encrypted (i salvaged the data anyway)
[08:53:30] <kyonko`|2> i was using linux in 1999, it was slackware 3.5... already obsoleted by 4.0 and glibc6
[08:53:31] <Subsentient> For me the thing about btrfs is transparent compression (my entire OS is zstd compressed), reflinks (copy-on-write etc), and the raid 0 support is nice and easier than mdadm
[08:53:44] <kyonko`|2> why the compression
[08:53:56] <kyonko`|2> isn't compression some kind of fedora tip to the old traditions of PC?
[08:54:05] <kyonko`|2> I can't get a good answer what a COW is
[08:54:13] <Subsentient> Cuz I like to stretch my storage as far as possible, and oh boy does it make a difference there. Turn a 500GB SSD into an 760GB SSD
[08:54:15] <kyonko`|2> and personal experience taught me, dupes are good
[08:54:23] <kyonko`|2> does it really
[08:54:35] <kyonko`|2> my compression experiments in the late 90's resulted in me finding some data would not compress
[08:54:37] <Subsentient> Yeah, depending on what you store, the compression ratio is pretty good
[08:54:49] <kyonko`|2> I did use a bzip2 compressed linux kernel boot floppy
[08:54:56] <kyonko`|2> plain text :P
[08:54:58] <Subsentient> bzip2 sucks lol
[08:55:17] <Subsentient> zstd is where it's at, very fast compress and even faster decompress, similar compression ratio to zlib
[08:55:32] <kyonko`|2> I gave up on Linux and FOSS around 2000 because I would be using dial up for 8 more years
[08:55:45] <kyonko`|2> no way to test home networking
[08:55:48] <kyonko`|2> the biggest killer app
[08:55:52] <Subsentient> Yeah Linux really does suck for dialup. Thank god those days are gone.
[08:56:03] <kyonko`|2> oh but I had fun on dial up, it was a 9600bps isa modem too
[08:56:51] <kyonko`|2> it was a solid link
[08:57:29] <kyonko`|2> also, if you want to involve yourself in computer hobby in arizona, you got to drive to the big city often
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[08:57:33] <kyonko`|2> which is now, impossible
[08:57:35] <Subsentient> kyonko`|2: Btrfs makes a good boot drive, but for spinning rust drives or anything super critical, I'd use ext4
[08:57:44] <kyonko`|2> spinning rust?
[08:57:53] <Subsentient> spinning rust = mechanical hard disks
[08:57:58] <kyonko`|2> yeah the delicate things
[08:58:44] <kyonko`|2> and what is boot in the days of EFI
[08:58:47] <kyonko`|2> I don't trust EFI
[08:58:55] <Subsentient> EFI sucks, but it's workable
[08:59:09] <Subsentient> If you turn secure boot off, it's about as trustworthy as any bios
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[08:59:13] <Subsentient> which is, not much
[08:59:36] <Subsentient> I use syslinux for my bootloader.
[08:59:40] <kyonko`|2> uh huh
[08:59:44] <kyonko`|2> yeah I know what that is
[08:59:55] <kyonko`|2> great for usb sticks
[09:00:16] <kyonko`|2> syslinux isn't well known
[09:00:22] <Subsentient> They have an EFI version now, that's what I use. It's like 2 files and a config file and that's the whole bootloader.
[09:00:41] <kyonko`|2> I've had some surprises recently with slackware... its nothing like it was in the late 90's
[09:01:20] <kyonko`|2> where do I begin regarding these operating systems?
[09:01:28] <kyonko`|2> you begin in the 1940's
[09:01:37] <kyonko`|2> its a lot to learn
[09:02:13] <kyonko`|2> the 1970's are good enough, with the pdp-11
[09:02:20] <kyonko`|2> then the 1980's with the vax and bsd
[09:02:30] <kyonko`|2> and hey, why not learn vms while you are at it, its posix too
[09:02:47] <kyonko`|2> eventually the unix programming enviroment morphs into the posix
[09:02:54] <kyonko`|2> and your software will be legendary
[09:03:03] <kyonko`|2> survive the decades
[09:04:30] <kyonko`|2> too bad there isn't any free vms around
[09:04:54] <Subsentient> This is my entire bootloader on EFI. I just put these three files on a 300MB fat32 partition and set parted's "esp" flag on the partition.
[09:04:56] <Subsentient> https://i.imgur.com
[09:05:55] <Subsentient> EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI, EFI/BOOT/ldlinux.e64, and syslinux.cfg, your config file
[09:06:12] * Subsentient marvels at his own simplicity
[09:06:46] <kyonko`|2> i'm not really a fast internet, fast computer sort of guy
[09:07:19] <Subsentient> Neither am I. I was rocking pentium 3s not long ago as my main devices.
[09:07:34] <kyonko`|2> you remember pentium 4 prescott, the transition to 64 bit
[09:07:54] <Subsentient> Only in the last couple years did I migrate to full x86_64
[09:07:56] <Subsentient> Yeah I do
[09:08:43] <kyonko`|2> stallman is always right
[09:08:44] <Subsentient> Good old pentium 4 space heaters
[09:10:40] <kyonko`|2> i really regret getting out of FOSS in 2000
[09:10:49] <kyonko`|2> by 2005 I was seeing all the hot n not sites pop up
[09:10:58] <kyonko`|2> and I was like "damn I knew THIS"
[09:24:24] <Subsentient> Gleurgh
[09:26:22] <kyonko`|2> the hot n nots look stupid on the surface, but underneath they were very complex
[09:26:47] <kyonko`|2> especially when they got such high load you had to distribute between a few servers
[09:27:27] <kyonko`|2> I never fell for those, as they were mostly california big city oriented
[09:27:37] <kyonko`|2> and neither myspace, which was global
[09:30:01] <kyonko`|2> the yahoo geocities sites were... interesting
[09:32:18] <kyonko`|2> i wonder why yahoo had to kill geocities
[09:33:42] <kyonko`|2> ok looking at this psych forum
[09:33:50] <kyonko`|2> this is the shit even therapists won't touch
[09:35:38] <kyonko`|2> facebook started as a hot or not in 2004
[09:35:46] <kyonko`|2> the facebook epoch begins in jan 1 2004
[09:35:50] <kyonko`|2> or dec 31 2003
[09:39:58] <kyonko`|2> after the recent facebook outage I downloaded by data since the beginning of the epoc
[09:40:06] <kyonko`|2> it was the size of a DVD so 4.5 gb
[09:40:14] <kyonko`|2> I joined facebook in 2015
[09:40:23] <kyonko`|2> a real human cesspool
[09:47:42] * Runaway1956 doesn't like macOS tiled desktop - couldn't escape that fast enough
[09:47:58] <Runaway1956> reminds me of Gnome3 nonsense
[09:48:09] <kyonko`|2> have you heard of lil snitch?
[09:48:11] <kyonko`|2> for mac?
[09:48:19] <Runaway1956> nahhh, what is it?
[09:48:29] <kyonko`|2> its a process logger and networking conneciton monitor and firewall
[09:48:40] <kyonko`|2> in other words, catch strange stuff running
[09:48:43] <Runaway1956> I'll check it out
[09:48:54] <kyonko`|2> but modern malwares now run in the browser lol
[09:49:07] <Runaway1956> found Firefox, and unlike Safari, I can actually install the extensions I need and want
[09:49:10] <kyonko`|2> lil snitch has stopped working on apple silicon hardware
[09:50:03] <FatPhil> coool, dumb little delivery bots have finally made their way into near downtown. I wonder how well they'll cope with the cobbles only a street or 2 away.
[09:51:03] <FatPhil> nice big flat white top surfaces - absolutely screaming for some brewery stickers on top ;-)
[09:51:05] <kyonko`|2> we have robo cops here
[09:51:23] <kyonko`|2> the competitors to knightscope
[09:51:38] <kyonko`|2> look like wheeled blocks
[09:51:46] <kyonko`|2> probably really heavy and dense from the batteries
[09:51:54] <FatPhil> I've seen some of the robocops, they look so retarded I don't know how they are expected to be taken seriously
[09:52:08] <kyonko`|2> well
[09:52:18] <kyonko`|2> i'm reading this strange forum recommened by uh Subsentient
[09:52:18] <FatPhil> like "Pussycat" on UK Robotwars in shape
[09:52:36] <kyonko`|2> it would be very serious if a forum such as this was data mined
[09:52:48] <kyonko`|2> and regarding my experience from facebook groups
[09:52:54] <kyonko`|2> there is a LOT of stockholm syndrome people
[09:53:13] <kyonko`|2> "oh so you are poor? well bad fucking luck, here take some anti-psychotics you poor loser"
[09:53:24] <Runaway1956> vidya and sound are quite respectable on this mac
[09:53:27] <kyonko`|2> "all the poor have schizophrenia and should be medicated"
[09:53:55] <kyonko`|2> and the robocops are obvious, the geofencing isn't
[09:54:08] <kyonko`|2> among other things, like denying dna collection over the years
[09:54:25] <FatPhil> as long they CONSUME everything they can with any leftover income, all is good
[09:54:39] <FatPhil> OBEY!
[09:54:43] <kyonko`|2> yeah OBEY
[09:54:48] <kyonko`|2> I knew about OBEY giant
[09:54:56] <kyonko`|2> but I recently learned of the late 80's film
[09:54:58] <kyonko`|2> "they live"
[09:55:05] <kyonko`|2> obey giant is andre the giant
[09:55:09] <kyonko`|2> who died from gigantism
[09:55:10] <FatPhil> that's the reference
[09:55:28] <kyonko`|2> and obey giant is quite overt
[09:55:38] <kyonko`|2> obey the giant, we are small weak children
[09:55:52] <kyonko`|2> "guns make the strong stronger, and the weak strong"
[09:55:57] <kyonko`|2> etc etc ad nauseum
[09:56:19] <kyonko`|2> I saw the trailer for "they live"
[09:56:24] <kyonko`|2> the guy shoots an m16
[09:57:49] <kyonko`|2> I never recall seeing such a low budget film where the guns don't eject shell casings
[09:58:04] <kyonko`|2> its always that parabolic stream of shells and the strobe flash
[09:58:11] <kyonko`|2> always yellow
[09:58:50] <kyonko`|2> movie guns are doctored, got to be
[09:59:24] <kyonko`|2> fight scenes in movies are "choreography"
[10:00:17] <kyonko`|2> what was that movie with the exploding head.... scanners
[10:00:26] <kyonko`|2> it was a popular gif in the early 2000's
[10:01:39] <kyonko`|2> https://www.psychforums.com
[10:01:40] <systemd> ^ 03Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) Forum - Page 2
[10:02:44] <kyonko`|2> no posts regarding germs
[10:02:55] <Runaway1956> I keep trying to move my mouse to the mac screen - doesn't work well when the mac isn't docked
[10:02:57] <kyonko`|2> its all sex and homosexuality
[10:03:16] <kyonko`|2> i own vintage macs for the firewire
[10:03:29] <kyonko`|2> i own vintage pc's for the pci and isa interfaces
[10:03:48] <kyonko`|2> i don't trust modern
[10:04:16] <Runaway1956> Not sure what I'm going to do with this thing - probably build a docking station on an empty desk, create a kid's user account, and let the grandchilluns play on it
[10:04:29] <kyonko`|2> but kids want modern things
[10:04:33] <Runaway1956> meanwhile, with boot camp, it can do folding at home
[10:04:42] <kyonko`|2> folding for dr malone?
[10:04:45] <Runaway1956> What, 2019 ain't modern?
[10:05:04] <Runaway1956> I didn't buy a 30 year old mac
[10:05:15] <kyonko`|2> i own a 20 year old mac
[10:05:25] <kyonko`|2> I need a g4 sawtooth
[10:05:30] <Runaway1956> 20 year old mac owns you
[10:05:36] <kyonko`|2> yeah it does
[10:05:39] <kyonko`|2> 1999 was my best year
[10:05:55] <Runaway1956> in soviet macOS
[10:06:03] <kyonko`|2> although around 2005-2007 it was cool to be nerd
[10:06:06] <kyonko`|2> that was so uncanny
[10:06:12] <kyonko`|2> never saw anything like it
[10:06:18] <kyonko`|2> and poof, gone
[10:06:23] <kyonko`|2> now we're in the incel era
[10:06:26] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[10:06:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5592
[10:45:04] <Runaway1956> Got the microscope out
[10:45:13] <Runaway1956> put a chicken nugget under it
[10:45:39] <Runaway1956> "genetically engineered by chicken farmers in Arkansas"
[10:45:52] <kyonko`|2> feeding the world
[10:46:09] <kyonko`|2> feeding my pets
[10:46:18] <kyonko`|2> multi cat level achieved
[10:46:44] <Runaway1956> wonder how many millions of tons of chicken shipped from Arkansas to Japan
[10:47:28] <Runaway1956> 5 or 6 tractor trailer loads per day, from one plant alone
[11:27:26] <kyonko`|2> the peace treaty was to send most food to china
[11:27:31] <kyonko`|2> but the clintons fucked all that up
[11:27:58] <kyonko`|2> they wanted the world for themselves
[11:28:24] <kyonko`|2> usa exports food exclusive to the mainland chinese and we get cheap consumer products
[11:28:33] <kyonko`|2> peace is sustained
[11:28:48] <kyonko`|2> man kind expired back in the 1950's with the h-bomb and biological warfare agents and wmd's
[11:29:38] <kyonko`|2> who wants peace when you can keep the world for yourself and have billions dead and rotting, the earth will smell for years
[11:30:33] <kyonko`|2> the events of 3-11-20 were supposed to go nuclear
[11:30:49] <kyonko`|2> nuclear response to biological attack
[11:31:04] <kyonko`|2> but thank dog for donald hitler
[11:37:51] <kyonko`|2> and what the fuck were they thinking sending the evacuated american citizens from china from alaska to the life care centers of america franchise in seattle?
[11:38:08] <kyonko`|2> oh thats yesterday's news, look at all the cops and fire fighters who now refuse the vax
[11:38:18] <kyonko`|2> the 2020 veterans
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[12:51:24] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm. *New* tag stays with posts after multiple close and open of a page. Maybe first sign of the server having the COVIDS?
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[13:57:15] <Bytram> Runaway1956: have you tried reloading the page using: Ctrl+F5
[13:58:18] <Runaway1956> No, I didn't Bytram - but I just looked at it again, and it cured itself
[13:59:09] <Bytram> Runaway1956: YAY! Glad to hear it!
[14:01:10] * Runaway1956 is watching tutorial on touchpads
[14:05:32] <Bytram> hexchat question: I used to have a column on the RHS (right-hand side) of the display which listed all the nicks in the current channel. Cannot seem to get it back. =( How to I get it back?
[14:06:18] <Runaway1956> Hover mouse near the right hand side, you should find a spot where it widens out
[14:06:32] <requerdanos> view menu -> user list
[14:06:34] <Runaway1956> that will be the border between the two fields
[14:06:44] <Runaway1956> drag that border to left
[14:16:59] <Bytram> requerdanos++ that did it!\
[14:16:59] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 44
[14:17:46] <Bytram> Runaway1956: there was no drag bar for me to grab
[14:20:20] <Runaway1956> That's what usually happens to me - especially if computer wasn't shut down properly
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[15:49:12] <progo> https://www.smbc-comics.com "pumpkin spice" is a mix of spices you add to pumpkin pie…
[15:49:13] <systemd> ^ 03Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Spice
[15:49:26] <progo> so, "pumpkin spice coffee" has no pumpkin in it?
[15:49:31] <progo> I never really noticed
[15:49:46] <progo> pumpkin isn't a very strong flavor against coffee and spices
[15:50:26] <progo> years ago I heard Dunkin Donuts allegedly roasted their beans with added sugar or corn syrup or something
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[16:01:06] <FatPhil> most "pumpkin beer"s are just spiced with the same spices, and have no pumpkin flesh in. They tend to be crap. Ours had real pumpkin (it has fermentable sugars, for pity's sake, why wouldn't you use it?), and minimal spicing, so was actually good.
[16:11:18] <FatPhil> I do remember seeing a "nutritional" breakdown of your pumpkin lattes, and there was enough calories for a fully grown adult male in one large one. Scary. And some people wonder why there's a diabetes problem in the populace.
[16:12:14] <AzumaHazuki> i make my own pumpkin-spice stuff, and it's way less caloric. stevia, only a little creamer, and do the spices myself in the grinder
[16:12:57] <FatPhil> stevia's pretty handy as a low-cal sweetenener, pretty neutral taste.
[16:14:30] <FatPhil> The weirdest we get on the spice front is just to grind a small amount of green cardamum and add that to coffee. Not a fan of clove or cinnamon (which is why I hate most pumpkin beers)
[16:15:30] <AzumaHazuki> i love all of those. ginger, cinnamon, clove, nutmeg, allspice, the works
[16:17:28] <FatPhil> a bit of clove from the action of the yeast in a hefeweizen or a wit is about all of the clove I can take.
[16:19:07] <FatPhil> Ah, I'd forgotten ginger - sometimes we add a splash of ginger to our coffees too. https://rochester-drinks.com . Also great on its own or with a rum.
[16:19:12] <systemd> ^ 03Rochester Ginger - Rochester Drinks
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[17:30:34] <Runaway1956> macbook pro keyboard is really strange, after all these years of ergonomic keyboards
[17:31:04] <Runaway1956> Must have a real keyboard if I'm going to use this thing very much
[17:31:55] <Runaway1956> Meanwhile - I believe I smell my BBQ chicken from ~50 feet away
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[18:16:38] <chromas> Why are Brits getting paid in dollars?
[18:19:04] <FatPhil> they had to eat all their pounds
[18:24:13] <chromas> I hope they're not USD. They're more inflated than our chicken
[18:32:20] <FatPhil> just you wait - the fattenning hasn't even started yet
[18:34:08] * chromas checks wallet for striping
[19:23:39] <FatPhil> wtf is "tacosagna"
[19:24:51] <chromas> Sounds like lasagna with tortillas
[19:25:26] <FatPhil> a layer of tortilla, a layer of pasta, a layer of tortilla, a layer of pasta ...
[19:25:38] <chromas> Sound about right
[19:25:42] <FatPhil> gotta get my carbs up
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[21:46:37] <kyonko`|2> noam chomsky speaks for the devil
[22:11:06] <requerdanos> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com
[22:11:07] <systemd> ^ 03Noam Chomsky: Unvaccinated should 'remove themselves from the community,' access to food 'their problem'
[22:11:21] <requerdanos> "Chomsky, 92, compared people who do not want to get vaccinated to those who do not want to stop at red lights in traffic"
[22:18:41] <kyonko`|2> that doesn't make sense
[22:19:18] <kyonko`|2> you aren't supposed to force yourself bodily wise on anyone, same sex or opposite sex, sexual or non-sexual contact
[22:19:37] <kyonko`|2> some people can get away, some people can fight back
[22:19:40] <kyonko`|2> a few can't
[22:20:23] <kyonko`|2> more than a few, like half of the population
[22:25:07] <FatPhil> I don't see how those words form a counter-argument to the point being made.
[22:26:24] <FatPhil> A fun coincidence, I was watching a lecture partly about Chomsky (and his linguistics work) tonight.
[22:27:36] <kyonko`|2> he's from MIT
[22:27:51] <kyonko`|2> FatPhil: of course you don't get my words, you live a different lifestyle
[22:28:26] <requerdanos> regardless of lifestyle, those words are not responsive to the words above them.
[22:28:34] <kyonko`|2> I had to take action fast regarding diabetes a few years ago, not that I am afraid of insulin needles
[22:28:48] <kyonko`|2> oh you know how bad people took the covid lockdowns
[22:28:58] <FatPhil> I have theory of mind and have experienced a very wide range of cultures.
[22:28:58] <kyonko`|2> masks = muzzles
[22:29:16] <kyonko`|2> yes I know that, and you live somewhere nice
[22:29:37] <FatPhil> well, apart from the fact that they do a different thing for a different reason by a different mechanism, you're bang on!
[22:30:09] <kyonko`|2> why do you even need to innoculate/immunize someone who won't have close contact with anyone?
[22:30:24] <FatPhil> So you agree with chomsky then?
[22:30:27] <kyonko`|2> of course you CAN get infected in a struggle, even if you win, you still get infected
[22:30:44] <kyonko`|2> I don't agree with chomsky, he just wants to turn the world into a prison
[22:30:52] <FatPhil> Wow. I only had to type 2 lines, and you flipped your argument, I'm better than I thought!
[22:31:08] <requerdanos> sounds to me like he wants to turn the words into a safer, healthier place for all.
[22:31:10] <FatPhil> Ooops, one more line, and you've flipped back again.
[22:31:20] <kyonko`|2> safer? from violence?
[22:31:28] <kyonko`|2> fix the violence problem in humans first
[22:31:35] <kyonko`|2> not armed violence, but bodily violence, call it rape
[22:31:41] <kyonko`|2> same sex or opposite sex
[22:32:00] <requerdanos> uh, not through violence, no.
[22:32:01] <FatPhil> kyonko`|2: do you understand what it was that you said that made me say "so you agree with Chomsky"? If you can't make that connection, then dialogue will be futile.
[22:32:15] <kyonko`|2> I wish I could say the old man is senile
[22:32:23] <kyonko`|2> suddenly so
[22:32:50] <kyonko`|2> he knows he's going to die soon and will be immortalized as a modern philosopher
[22:33:05] <FatPhil> He's been remarkably consistent through the years, which makes me think he's less senile than most his age.
[22:33:12] <kyonko`|2> yes, and now this?
[22:33:29] <kyonko`|2> starve people and you will get cannibalism
[22:33:58] <kyonko`|2> unless of course, you incapacitate them from being cannibals, somehow
[22:34:05] <FatPhil> The funny thing is that what he said was pure *Skinner*.
[22:34:21] <kyonko`|2> Skinner's rats?
[22:34:32] <FatPhil> It works on humans too
[22:34:37] <kyonko`|2> yes I know all that
[22:34:50] <kyonko`|2> I know about the calhoun mouse utopia
[22:35:04] <kyonko`|2> somehow I ended up as a beautiful one, albeit "stoooooooooooopid"
[22:35:09] <kyonko`|2> can't forget the woman narraters voice
[22:36:17] <kyonko`|2> bill gates was behind this real life mouse utopia
[22:36:23] <FatPhil> "Negative punishment" I think is the technique he's espousing.
[22:36:41] <kyonko`|2> a lot of people will be punished enough by being short or "ugly"
[22:36:42] <FatPhil> The irony is that Skinner was a massive anti-Chomskyite.
[22:36:53] <kyonko`|2> this is WORSE than the worlds of dnd
[22:36:57] <kyonko`|2> or steve jackson games
[22:37:01] <kyonko`|2> unprecedented
[22:37:10] <FatPhil> But only on the subject of language, not on more lizard-brain things.
[22:37:29] <kyonko`|2> at least I got to grow up in classical times
[22:37:36] <kyonko`|2> had classical experiences
[22:37:46] <kyonko`|2> probably will be forced to be uploaded against my will
[22:38:30] <kyonko`|2> at least I got to live the 2000's when it was cool to be a nerd
[22:38:37] <kyonko`|2> that all went away with smart phones
[22:38:40] <kyonko`|2> and social media
[22:39:40] <kyonko`|2> what was the biggest problem of the 2000's? bricking your bios on your multi thousand dollar gaming rig
[22:40:08] <kyonko`|2> if that did happen, you had to buy a replacement bios eprom and associated programmer socket
[22:42:31] <FatPhil> normally just removing the backup battery and shorting the reset pins would recover it, unless you'd blown bad firmware onto the chip. Just settings were not stored in the same place as defaults, so defaults were always recoverable.
[22:48:05] <kyonko`|2> you had to upgrade to get more disk space for mp3's and p2p
[22:48:27] <kyonko`|2> but that all changed with youtube
[22:48:34] <kyonko`|2> p2p still works, with vpn
[22:49:02] <kyonko`|2> you were quite rich if you had a movie collection in 640x480
[22:49:54] <kyonko`|2> i posted a screenshot of irc on facebook, and someone said, what is that, p2p?
[22:49:58] <kyonko`|2> they thought it was kazaa
[22:50:23] <kyonko`|2> if you didn't want computers for anything else, you got it for the p2p
[22:50:29] <kyonko`|2> bigger than the web and google
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[23:13:37] <kyonko`|2> https://comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc.narkive.com
[23:13:38] <systemd> ^ 03FreeBSD people are incompetent idiots - Linus Torvalds
[23:14:55] <requerdanos> I'll take "Uninteresting things Torvalds said in 2006," please, oh game show host of the nonsequiturs
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[23:19:14] <FatPhil> The fuck you to NVidia was quite funny though. They were just about to set up an office in Helsinki at the time, which made it more poignant.
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[23:22:04] <kyonko`|2> jkh works for nvidia now
[23:22:35] <requerdanos> I am thinking that was more recent than 2006
[23:22:45] <kyonko`|2> you need to get a feel for the mid 2000's regarding torvald's way to common outbursts
[23:23:10] <kyonko`|2> bsd had a toe hold in what you could call the linux desktop market share
[23:23:30] <kyonko`|2> and what would later become content distribution networks and big iron computing
[23:23:53] <kyonko`|2> but with icky file systems, that wasn't going to happen
[23:24:43] <kyonko`|2> there just isn't anything like gparted for bsd
[23:39:27] <kyonko`|2> https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:39:28] <systemd> ^ 03Dirty COW - Wikipedia
[23:39:35] <kyonko`|2> they all get their logo now
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