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[00:27:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Least Efficent Way to Charge a BEV? - https://sylnt.us - Pushmi-Pullyu
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[03:16:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - American ISPs Slammed for Spying on Their Own Subscribers - https://sylnt.us - Quis-custodiet-ipsos-custodes
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[03:47:01] <SoyCow3038> =submit facebook-papers https://nymag.com
[03:47:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03What Was Leaked in the Facebook Papers?" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:47:28] <SoyCow3038> =submit facebook-papers https://www.forbes.com
[03:47:30] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Breitbart and Other Conservative Publishers Get ‘Special Treatment’: Here’s What the ‘Facebo" (23p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:47:50] <SoyCow3038> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com.au
[03:47:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Worker in Florida Applied to 60 Entry-level Jobs in September and Got 1 Interview" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[03:50:12] <SoyCow7256> =submit https://www.rfi.fr
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[05:55:31] <kyonko`> a bioweapon on training wheels
[05:57:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Audio Tape Interface Revives Microcassettes As Storage Medium - https://sylnt.us
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[06:11:44] <aristarchus> Happy APKween, everybody!
[06:12:40] <kyonko`> May APK never die
[06:14:41] <aristarchus> Could it be, that kyonko is apk, when he takes his meds?
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[06:25:08] <kyonko`> you mean my infusions
[06:25:16] <kyonko`> long actin', tinactin'
[06:25:36] <kyonko`> only meds I take is for my heart, so it may be ripe for someone else to take (as in orgndnr)
[06:25:48] <kyonko`> get it orgnDNR
[06:26:21] <kyonko`> that falun gong situation in china is batshit insane and decades old
[06:27:56] <aristarchus> kyonko, sorry, but read your long exchange with the Phil of Fat earlier, and came to the conclusion that nothing is to be gained by conversing with you, or FatPhil. Again, sorry.
[06:28:54] <kyonko`> At least he is open about his fat
[07:58:32] <FatPhil> he's just jealous of my antique fish-floats
[08:08:31] <aristarchus> I thought it was the duck-breast abs?
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[08:22:54] <aristarchus> Just a word to the admin, apk is seriously impeding my enjoyment of SN. Equally, the drive-by anti-semite stuff needs to go. Free speech can be ruined by exactly these tactics, and it is being ruined.
[08:24:28] <aristarchus> I mean, I would downmod such spam, if I was able to downmod. But as I am not, I can only watch. Seems SN has emptied its entire mag of spam mods, to no effect?
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[08:45:16] <SoyCow7256> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[08:45:18] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Young Australians Lodge Human Rights Complaints With UN Over Alleged Government Inaction on Climate" (25p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:45:40] <SoyCow7256> =submit stupidity-is-universal https://thehill.com
[08:45:41] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03As Russia Shuts Down, Putin 'Can't Understand What's Going On' With Vaccine Hesitancy" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:47:29] <SoyCow7256> =submit https://www.cbsnews.com
[08:47:31] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Record Amount of Americans are Quitting Their Jobs Due to Pandemic Burnout" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[08:48:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stretchy, Bendy, Flexible LEDs: They’re Also Cheaper, Faster and Fabricated With an Inkjet Printer - https://sylnt.us - Print-your-own-light
[08:49:21] <aristarchus> Moderation in all things, c0lo!
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[09:14:29] <FatPhil> apparently americans have become an uncountable mass noun
[10:13:31] <chromas> Hm, what else can we do to impede ari's enjoyment of SN?
[10:15:26] <Runaway1956> Oh shit - lxterminal just made me sit back and stare
[10:15:55] <Runaway1956> meant to type ls instead typed sl and a frigging train ran across the screen
[10:16:17] <boru> New to *nix?
[10:16:33] <Runaway1956> No, not new, but that one kinda shocked me
[10:16:47] <boru> ~cowsay Real Men™ use xterm
[10:16:52] <boru> For shame.
[10:17:14] <Runaway1956> terminal is in full screen, so I got full effect
[10:19:09] <boru> There are more fun ones.
[10:19:29] <boru> Like fake rm etc.
[10:19:44] <boru> And then making a system-wide alias to it for ls.
[10:19:46] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I've seen some but this one popped up entirely out of nowhere, caught me entirely by surprise
[10:20:15] <boru> fortune also has some good ones.
[10:45:57] <FatPhil> I don't know sl
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[11:11:57] <inz> sl is as useful as sedbot's "terminate your substitute commands" reply
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[11:26:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Switches All Standard-Range Vehicles to LiFePo Chemistry - https://sylnt.us
[14:17:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mapping the NFT Revolution - https://sylnt.us - WTF-are-NFTs?
[14:25:48] <FatPhil> Musk Tops $250 Billion Net Worth After TSLA Rockets Past FB As 5th Biggest US Stock
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[16:57:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Sues Programmer Who Allegedly Scraped Data for 178 Million Users - https://sylnt.us - that's-2my-data-and-you're-not-abusing-it-properly!
[17:02:47] <FatPhil> how did you get colour in that?
[17:07:15] <progo> elite hacking
[17:07:32] <progo> I think the de facto standard is mIRC color escape codes
[17:07:48] <progo> most channels will pass them through and most clients interpret them
[17:08:13] <progo> and apparently so does the submission queue
[17:08:48] <progo> turned "<i></i>" into mIRC colors?
[17:11:05] <progo> so Drew Devault (owner of Sourcehut) blogged about Smarter Every Day's new privacy kickstarter… first thing he linked to to introduce what the blog post is a ~15 minute pitch that's mostly "yeah wiretapping and thinking in the cloud and massive unchecked spying are a problem" and then you FINALLY at the end get to "we're building a new system that lets you send information to conversation partners and then remove that information so they don't have
[17:11:05] <progo> it anymore if you need to"
[17:11:29] <progo> the Smarter Every Day video and its followup are full of "but that's not possible" comments
[17:11:36] <progo> I feel like I wasted my time listening
[17:12:23] <progo> https://drewdevault.com Drew also points out that they have no profit plan and yet they ARE seeking investors
[17:12:24] <systemd> ^ 03How SmarterEveryDay's 4privacy can, and cannot, meet its goals
[17:12:50] <progo> they will sell you out
[17:14:43] <FatPhil> if there's something more than just a blog, maybe submit that as a story. it's got tech and privacy, it's well on topic.
[17:15:24] <progo> oh derp
[17:15:33] <progo> I can write it as a soylent blog post for sure
[17:15:37] <progo> introducing what's been posted so far
[17:15:43] <progo> I wasn't even thinking of that
[17:15:46] <progo> will do
[17:15:50] <FatPhil> sure - thanks!
[17:16:27] <progo> will include "skip to ___ in the youtube pitch if you already understand frog boiling mass surveillance"
[17:16:45] <FatPhil> I understand frog boiling urban legends ;-)
[17:16:59] <progo> Beavis and Butthead understand frog baseball
[17:17:16] <FatPhil> Fuck yeah! I remember that from the early 90s.
[17:17:55] <FatPhil> I still have a Beavis & Butthead t-shirt. It's from their movie, and it has the slogan "America Sucks"
[17:19:55] <progo> if anyone scoops me, no problem. otherwise I'll submit a soylent story some time this evening
[17:20:46] <boru> I still don't get why more people aren't using Briar, but I guess the platform most people would use it on is fundamentally compromised.
[17:21:24] <boru> That said, forums, blogs and censorship/infrastructure circumvention await all who use it. Plus, it's a mesh. The more people who use it, the better.
[17:21:25] <progo> I haven't heard of that one. I'm tured of stuff like Signal that beats the new users with "you must register with a phone number and you can't possibly sign up without using an Android app"
[17:21:36] <boru> Yeah, signal is compromised.
[17:21:53] <progo> first thing signal did was demand my local address book
[17:21:56] * progo burns Signal
[17:22:00] <boru> Briar's been around for a while, and I don't have any idea why it hasn't had more traction.
[17:23:00] <progo> Tox looks really good except for it has no way to make YOUR profile portable across all of your hosts. basically you must use it on your one single preferred phone or never at all. or you must use it on your laptop and nowhere else
[17:23:09] <boru> I've got in on LOS with µg and a few other bits to lessen leaks, so it's as good as I'm going to get for a phone messenger, imho.
[17:23:12] <progo> it's like people with a suitcase full of computers don't exist
[17:23:19] <boru> You don't need µg for it, though.
[17:23:54] <progo> I don't see why my two Tox hosts can't talk to each other about my single profile and keep my contact list synced over the tox network
[17:23:55] <boru> Briar is a bit like that, but you can just create an identity for each device, and share it out of band.
[17:24:09] <progo> I don't want to be three profiles to my friend Emily
[17:24:15] <progo> not gonna happen
[17:24:29] <boru> Emily sounds like a n00b. Get better friends.
[17:24:47] <progo> all I need for a lot of my friends is nothing but a private IRC server and Jitsi
[17:24:47] <progo> :^)
[17:25:02] <progo> simple and stupid, and sorta secure
[17:26:42] <boru> Nothing stopping you sending your own e2e data over the clearnet to any service. I don't get why that isn't more widespread.
[17:27:05] <boru> e.g. we can just talk to each other via gmail with PGP.
[17:27:09] <progo> for ~10 years people have been griping that the UX for GPG and everything plugged into it is terrible
[17:27:25] <boru> It still is, to be honest.
[17:27:29] <boru> But the concept is sound.
[17:27:37] <progo> I wonder if there's some aspect to the idea that GPG "solved" the problem once and for all, and no one learned to do crypto because the UX sucked but maybe it didn't have to
[17:27:53] <progo> *maybe it didn't have to be a terrible UX
[17:28:09] <boru> Well, in terms of local webs of trust, you have darknets and meshnets. PGP on a more local level.
[17:28:21] <progo> I mean, GPG's user experience has always been terrible. but it's been a meme for 10 years now
[17:28:31] <boru> Indeed.
[17:29:07] <boru> Briar's worth a look, and if you, unlike me, have any experience with java, I'm sure they'd be glad to have someone help out with these quality of life features.
[17:29:54] <progo> I should learn Java's build systems -- maven and whatever
[17:30:10] <progo> my experience with Java is mostly in ColdFusion, a stacked-on-top language
[17:30:23] <progo> and I say it publicly all the time: do not learn coldfusion and do NOT put it on your resume
[17:30:32] <progo> the ecosystem there is full of one trick ponies who know how to program, wrong.
[17:30:45] * boru chuckles.
[17:31:09] <progo> CURRENT ColdFusion is quite nice. but only if you never have to deal with any other programmer's code.
[17:32:45] <boru> I've been writing C, assembly, Verilog (and now VHDM), Forth, some bits of Fortran and pretending to know Perl for most of my career. That enterprisey stuff isn't my neck of the woods at all.
[17:33:12] <progo> it's turtles all the way down
[17:33:19] <boru> So I'm told.
[17:33:21] <progo> you can get a lot done with C
[17:33:25] <boru> But the Tao exists there, too.
[17:33:40] * progo doesn't know the C ecosystem at all with first-hand experience
[17:34:30] <progo> last night I started learning the Nette web application framework for the PHP ecosystem. I am already a PHP expert
[17:34:33] <boru> There are, in essence, three camps: operating systems, HPC and embedded.
[17:34:38] <progo> want to build a notebook/diary program my way with my features
[17:34:44] <boru> I use C in the latter mostly, these days.
[17:34:50] <progo> and if I can figure out how to implement a zero knowledge server for my idea, maybe sell it as a service
[17:35:00] <boru> Good for you.
[17:35:04] <progo> but hell no I'm not selling a diary service where the server CAN read and peruse your data
[17:35:04] <progo> :^)
[17:35:17] <progo> leave that bad business to Google and Facebook
[17:35:31] <progo> anyway I'm building it insecure first
[17:36:06] <boru> Surely the way to go about it is encrypting it on the client, and pushing it to the server, no? Doesn't get much more zero knowledge than that.
[17:36:12] <progo> yeah
[17:36:19] <progo> the tricky part is indexing and searching
[17:37:11] <progo> in the simplest form, every client has to have their own complete index -- they have to read EVERY page before they can have that index.
[17:37:30] <progo> or else some crazy scheme to push a shared index to the server, which the server can't read
[17:37:59] <progo> and also key management is a bitch
[17:38:43] <boru> Salted hash as a key? The client can compute that locally, and push it to the server to post, or to search.
[17:38:53] <boru> Leave key management to the client.
[17:40:25] <boru> e.g. I have plaintext_0, I generate ciphertest_0 and hash_0. I push the latter two to the server to post something. I send hash_0 when I want to search for ciphertext_0.
[17:40:34] <boru> s/test/text
[17:40:34] * SedBot tosses a / to biru
[17:40:54] <boru> Shutup, SedBot. Vimbot is fine with it.
[17:41:08] <progo> yeah I know all about crypto methods and combinations of methods in theory. I'm actually giving some kind if "intro to cryptography" talk to the NY Amateur Computer Club next month
[17:41:37] <boru> I didn't mean to imply you weren't familiar with the field.
[17:41:57] <progo> as I said: my diary app project is going to be no-privacy within the app itself to start with. I will get it working to the point where I can run it on a secure server and use it for personal work, and also use the same software to publish web sites
[17:42:07] <progo> then MAYBE I'll pivot and rewrite some of it to make it zero-knowledge service
[17:42:18] * boru nods.
[17:43:04] <progo> if I worry about crypto now I'll be stuck in those weeds with no viable product for myself for months :^)
[17:44:08] <boru> Well, a well known lemma of classical software engineering mistakes is that security should be considered from the start. As I've told many pointy haired managers over the years, security is not a commodity. It's not a magic box you drop in at the end of a project and everything is secure.
[17:44:34] <progo> of course
[17:44:53] <progo> and public web site versus zero knowledge will absolutely involve rewriting and moving functions from client to server
[17:45:11] <progo> a public web site that is unreadable without a javascript program is the worse kind of publishing sin
[17:45:36] <progo> one set of features at a time, around a single structure I understand and control
[17:45:43] * boru nods.
[17:45:54] <progo> and I'll be careful not to go off in directions that will absolutely kill the future "zero knowledge" idea
[17:45:55] <boru> I'm mostly bikeshedding, not meaning to sound disparaging.
[17:46:03] <progo> that was the vibe I got
[17:46:16] * progo sets up an easel and grabs the sharpies
[17:47:09] <progo> **moving functions from server to client
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[17:49:30] <progo> https://sqlite.org btw, speaking of bike shedding and stuck in the weeks. SQLite. "Checklist for choosing the right database engine" -- if you don't have lots of people waiting to write at the same time, and you don't have "big data", SQL is perfect for the job
[17:49:31] <systemd> ^ 03Appropriate Uses For SQLite
[17:50:08] <progo> think of a notebook/diary app where at most a small handful of people own it, and every user account is a completely separate database. SQLite is a good fit
[17:50:49] <progo> *stuck in the weeds
[17:50:51] <boru> I'll take your word for it. The closest I've come to databases is writing a filesystem.
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[17:51:00] <boru> Seems reasonable, though, for low bandwidth.
[17:51:03] <progo> filesystems are a dark art
[17:51:10] <boru> I'd say the same about databases!
[17:51:15] <progo> yes!
[17:51:35] <progo> the author of SQLite is probably the kind of wizard that only comes around a few times per generation
[17:51:53] <progo> it's like they say about crypto: if you are coding base crypto functions you're probably doing it wrong and you will cock it up
[17:51:55] <boru> Aye, I've heard it's a neat little implementation.
[17:52:19] <FatPhil> SQLite has some crankiness that really ought not be there, such as the implicit primary keys.
[17:52:31] <boru> I'd go so far as to say that, in some cases, for example ECC, there are only a handful of people who _really_ understand the mathematics behind it.
[17:52:56] <FatPhil> ECC's just pure maths
[17:53:18] <FatPhil> and that's true no matter which of the 2 ECCs you're talking about1
[17:53:27] <boru> Heh, indeed.
[17:54:06] <boru> I had a stab at reading Koblitz's book, but I'm missing some of the background.
[17:54:27] <boru> I'll leave that stuff to the real mathematicians.
[18:00:02] <boru> On an unrelated note, for those of you with telescopes, there's some work to be done by amateur astronomers at the moment with comet 29P: https://theskylive.com https://britastro.org
[18:00:03] <systemd> ^ 03Comet 29P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 1
[18:00:05] <systemd> ^ 03MISSION 29P | British Astronomical Association
[18:00:56] <progo> fun
[18:01:04] <progo> I don't have a telescope. I have New York City across the river
[18:01:18] <boru> It seems like 29P is covered with cryovolcanoes and more observations are required, since it's a bit special for its "comet" classification.
[18:01:47] <boru> Heh, yeah, the city might limit your visible magnitude...
[18:02:52] <progo> what are the criteria for the classification "comet", besides highly eccentric orbit?
[18:03:23] <FatPhil> Koblitz is incredibly dry, but is pretty much the classic text. I think i still have it somehwere, but I may have given it away when I moved country.
[18:03:48] <boru> Size, for one, plus it seems to be locked in a planet-like orbit.
[18:03:58] <boru> As comets go, it's _big_ at 60km wide.
[18:04:14] <progo> and has Neil deGrasse Tyson recently rewritten the defintion for "comet"? :^)
[18:04:39] <boru> I tend to ignore that bellend as much as I can with putting effort into it.
[18:04:48] <FatPhil> waiting for the cometinos...
[18:07:11] <progo> book of knowledge: a comet is a small icy (astronomical ice) thing that orbits with a close approach to the Sun, and has outgassing
[18:08:11] <AzumaHazuki> so, a Finn after sauna and a meal of beans?
[18:11:04] <FatPhil> prkl
[18:12:02] <FatPhil> yikes, magnitude 15, that's not for the lame-arse amateurs(tm).
[18:12:35] <boru> Well, if you were imaging it, you'd probably managed mag +15 with some reduction.
[18:13:45] <boru> The coma, or rather cloud of cryomagma it's spewing out, would likely have a far lower surface brightness. Apparent magnitude is sometimes not very helpful in astronomy...
[18:14:18] <FatPhil> ah, just reading your second link - 13s is more visible now.
[18:14:35] <FatPhil> that's quite a funky one: https://spaceweather.com
[18:15:16] <FatPhil> I love the concept of "cryomagma".
[18:16:18] <boru> Good time of year for observing it, though. I'm not sure about there, but the seeing here was incredible last weekend. I even pulled out my visual scope whilst I was imaging; good show from the planets and some SNs.
[18:16:39] <progo> "cryomagma" is a human-centric term :^)
[18:16:58] <FatPhil> can't they take a spectrum of known stars in the background, and see precisely which lines are absorbed and dissipated by the cloud?
[18:17:05] <boru> Yeah, I mean, comas usually look like this on Sol approach, but 29P is a bit special.
[18:17:33] <boru> Well, you can get absorption spectra from sunlight.
[18:17:58] <boru> But it's like most other comets, in terms of composition.
[18:18:19] <FatPhil> I just pushed an astro story, but don't mind having another one in the queue, i don't remember there being one about this in recent days
[18:18:29] <boru> Good on you.
[18:18:30] <FatPhil> =submit https://spaceweather.com
[18:18:34] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Spaceweather.com Time Machine" (142p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:18:53] <boru> Please link directly to that BAA URL, also, since it might encourage other amateurs.
[18:19:31] <boru> Comets and supernovae are amongst the few remaining fields where amateurs can still contribute these days.
[18:19:43] <FatPhil> Yup, just added your 2 URLs to the story submission's editor's notes
[18:19:58] <boru> Excellent. Thanks.
[18:20:21] <FatPhil> boru++ it's thanks to you at the end of the day, when all is said and done
[18:20:21] <Bender> karma - boru: 65
[18:20:55] <boru> Ah, if I wasn't so tired and a lazy sod, I should have made the sub myself. I haven't subbed in a while now. I should really try to make more time for that.
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[18:59:42] <chromas> android's heavy on the sqlite
[18:59:52] <chromas> oh I didn't scroll down enough
[19:09:28] <FatPhil> the nokia webtablets that evolved into the n900 phone were using sqlite right from the beginning
[19:09:52] <FatPhil> the phonebook app is so crap on the n900, sometimes i just query the db file manually
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[20:16:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - International Team of Astronomers Reports on Immense Mysterious Fast Radio Bursts - https://sylnt.us - having-a-blast,-galactic-style
[20:33:18] <kyonko`> databases are faster than file systems, but it breaks the tradition of the "internet"
[20:34:17] <kyonko`> lol thats a great headline, if you don't know what radio is
[20:34:42] <kyonko`> the db file... or the db file CHUNKS?
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[20:47:09] <kyonko`> https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:47:10] <systemd> ^ 03GoboLinux - Wikipedia
[20:49:46] <kyonko`> android is funny, its bugs are almost non-existant compared to chromeos (which is becoming more chrome and less os by the update)
[20:50:05] <kyonko`> and android is very fast with plain text
[20:53:36] <kyonko`> https://www.cryptogon.com
[20:53:38] <systemd> ^ 03185 Employees Leave Los Alamos Nuclear Weapons Lab Due to Vaccine Mandate
[20:56:13] <kyonko`> the only problem with android is you don't have root
[20:56:19] <kyonko`> so if you don't, who does?
[20:56:42] <kyonko`> its kinda uncanny how fast android is with plain text....
[20:56:59] <FatPhil> A filesystem that's slower than a DB is an insufficiently fast filesystem.
[20:57:00] <kyonko`> it begins to chug once its not, such as html 5
[20:57:13] <kyonko`> I'm not a db person
[20:57:17] <FatPhil> A DB that's slower than a filesystem is an insufficiently fast DB
[20:57:23] <kyonko`> yeah I get it
[20:57:37] <kyonko`> ext2 for the win
[20:57:50] <kyonko`> you could make dumb mistakes with the way the bsd's do things
[20:58:01] <kyonko`> such as a samba file sharing volume within its slices
[20:58:11] <kyonko`> but why do samba when ftp is good?
[20:58:20] <chromas> a DB is just a filesystem with extra credentials
[20:58:34] <kyonko`> I was trying to remember if there was a linux distro with everything in a db
[20:58:39] <FatPhil> a fielsystem is just a heirarchical DB
[20:58:41] <kyonko`> or was my mind just making shit up again?
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[20:59:07] <chromas> once he realized it, he ceased to exist
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[20:59:34] <FatPhil> the calculation of the probability of it being your mind making shit up just gave a complex number as an answer!
[20:59:40] <chromas> is the Windows registry a filesystem?
[20:59:55] <kyonko`> FatPhil: I am at the age now where I just get a result/answer in my 3rd eye
[21:00:07] <kyonko`> the windows registry is a good reason not to use windows ,ever
[21:00:17] <FatPhil> chromas; it can be used as one, so maybe it is?
[21:00:21] <kyonko`> its better to do linux with x11r5
[21:00:33] <kyonko`> as long as its got ext2 you should make it
[21:00:34] <chromas> should've gone to X12
[21:00:42] <kyonko`> xorg/wayland
[21:01:46] <chromas> seems like the registry was just for file associations in Win 3
[21:01:56] <kyonko`> I wonder if the ext4 in freebsd 12.2 is worth it
[21:02:06] <kyonko`> win 3.1 used ini files
[21:02:08] <chromas> are they only just now getting ext4?
[21:02:08] <kyonko`> and was 16 bit
[21:02:15] <kyonko`> yeah they got it late
[21:02:15] <chromas> but it also had a registry
[21:02:18] <kyonko`> and its for ever experimental
[21:02:28] <kyonko`> ext2 isn't experiment in the bsd's
[21:02:39] <kyonko`> which out to be just about enough for anybody
[21:02:44] <chromas> wow. even ext4 is ancient by now
[21:02:53] <kyonko`> i'm chugging on zfs
[21:02:57] <kyonko`> on 6gb ram
[21:03:03] <kyonko`> i7
[21:03:26] <kyonko`> now i need to get a feel for the chugs on btrfs
[21:03:36] <chromas> zfs is the btrfs of good design
[21:04:05] <kyonko`> i live in the universe where duplication is god
[21:04:11] <kyonko`> he who dupes the most wins
[21:04:19] <kyonko`> so i'm not a de-dupe guy
[21:04:20] <chromas> that's worded awkwardly, and a good thing it is, too
[21:05:17] <chromas> one thing btrfs has that (as far as I know) zfs doesn't, is raid0/1 with mismatched HDDs
[21:05:35] <kyonko`> mismatched hdd's as in garbage hdd's from the flea market?
[21:05:45] <chromas> mismatched size
[21:06:00] <kyonko`> mismatched everything
[21:06:17] <chromas> just put two slices of data on two different disks. it doesn't always need to be the same two
[21:06:17] <kyonko`> look at the whole becky with chad thing, its anatomical mismatch
[21:06:34] <kyonko`> "for very small data"
[21:06:51] <chromas> I thought chads were all about big data
[21:06:59] <kyonko`> they are
[21:07:10] <chromas> that's why they have the 8" floppies
[21:07:12] <kyonko`> data so big, it needs to broken down in chunks
[21:07:26] <kyonko`> before youtube, big data was usenet
[21:07:30] <kyonko`> YMMV
[21:07:39] <kyonko`> too bad youtube sold out early to google
[21:08:07] <chromas> maybe it wouldn't've gotten big then though
[21:08:38] <kyonko`> around 2009 you still needed special computers with special interfaces to upload a video to youtube
[21:08:48] <chromas> perhaps youtube would be long forgotten like alltheweb and goatse
[21:09:07] <kyonko`> i'm 6 years into facebook
[21:09:40] <chromas> you got there just in time for the boomer invasion
[21:10:17] <FatPhil> big data [001/149] was usenet
[21:10:20] <FatPhil> big data [003/149] was usenet
[21:10:24] <FatPhil> big data [004/149] was usenet
[21:10:27] <FatPhil> big data [005/149] was usenet
[21:10:30] <FatPhil> you get the joke
[21:10:43] <chromas> yeah, missing block dangit
[21:10:56] <kyonko`> was it missing on purpose?
[21:11:08] <kyonko`> that happens all the time in slow internet links such as mine
[21:11:12] <chromas> I never posted to usenet. how do I resolve?
[21:11:16] <kyonko`> never got a bad .iso so far
[21:12:04] <kyonko`> i had a binaries server on my isp in 1999, but dial up was kinda pissing me off
[21:12:33] <kyonko`> but .mp4 on a 166 pentium mmx was slick
[21:12:51] <kyonko`> and the infamous radium codec
[21:14:01] <kyonko`> i regret getting rid of that computer
[21:14:27] <kyonko`> thats around the time amd breaks the gigahertz barrier with x86
[21:14:28] <FatPhil> exactly, was double ended joke - lots of chunks, some missing
[21:15:01] <kyonko`> i never started getting big problems with corrupt but still visible data untill my moto razr v3t got hot
[21:15:12] <kyonko`> thats when it all clicked, IT'S A COMPUTER
[21:15:33] <chromas> everything's a double-ended computer if you're brave enough
[21:15:35] <FatPhil> no, your computer is a file under your control panel in your explorer
[21:15:35] <kyonko`> i never got that with extreme heat on a fanless i7
[21:17:05] <kyonko`> that i7 had to get a fan obviously
[21:17:14] <kyonko`> and a keyboard
[21:17:28] <kyonko`> and one day its soldered ssd wll die
[21:18:13] <chromas> Especially if Firefox is still saving its session every 5 seconds
[21:18:20] <kyonko`> it does that?
[21:18:26] <chromas> used to. not sure about now
[21:18:30] <kyonko`> firefox now has spam
[21:18:47] <chromas> yeah. ads in the new tab view
[21:18:57] * kyonko` remembers what facebook was like before linux had OOM protection
[21:19:15] <kyonko`> visiting facebook always makes chrome or firefox pop
[21:19:22] <chromas> I remember they put the header bar at the bottom for awhile
[21:19:48] <kyonko`> i remember firefox in my amd 3d now windows 98 era
[21:20:02] <kyonko`> always downloading a new version.... to a new folder
[21:20:11] <kyonko`> so you had a fuckton of firefox install folders
[21:20:41] <kyonko`> I was on dial up untill 2008, made for a strange life
[21:20:55] <chromas> took years for firefox to get zoom, session saving and resumable file transfers
[21:20:58] <kyonko`> unlimited local calling, unlimited dial up
[21:24:25] <kyonko`> in 2009 people were still going to big city libraries to connect their laptops to the ethernet
[21:24:32] <kyonko`> if you could somehow get a ride
[21:25:00] <kyonko`> that whole money and travel and shelter and dangerous of the road thing is an unsolvable problem
[21:28:17] <kyonko`> https://samagame.com
[21:28:18] <systemd> ^ 03The six most peculiar Linux distributions of 2020 - SamaGame
[21:28:46] <kyonko`> According to its creators, in GoboLinux we don’t need a package database because “the file system IS that database”. By dedicating its own directory to each program, GoboLinux also allows the user to keep installed (and run) different versions of it simultaneously.
[21:28:58] <kyonko`> it's so gay, it's straight
[21:29:28] <kyonko`> if you keep pushing the homosexual edge eventually you should turn the dial back into straight
[21:29:49] <chromas> Gobosexual?
[21:30:02] <kyonko`> yes
[21:30:09] <kyonko`> its brazilian distro, so its kinda like lua
[21:30:26] <kyonko`> and who needs 16 bit linux when you got minix 8/16
[21:32:29] <kyonko`> https://linux.slashdot.org
[21:32:30] <systemd> ^ 03GoboLinux Rethinks The Linux Filesystems - Slashdot
[21:32:41] <kyonko`> around for a long time, and no one cares
[21:33:16] <progo> I didn't read back, but wasn't Microsoft going for "the filesystem is the database" in the 2000s?
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[21:35:16] <chromas> WinFS
[21:35:29] <chromas> 10 was also the last Windows
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[21:40:46] <kyonko`> kvirc crashed, but win 7 pro didn't die
[21:40:58] <kyonko`> and they are still sneaking updates in even tho you turn them off
[21:41:03] <kyonko`> APK SAVE ME
[21:41:18] <kyonko`> will the APK hosts file prevent me from the update that bricks my computer?
[21:41:48] <kyonko`> I remember when the first win 7 home updates were sent out, I had to go out and buy a win 10 laptop
[21:41:53] <kyonko`> with dvd-rw and hdd of course
[21:41:57] <kyonko`> and mbr-bios
[21:41:57] <chromas> APK...a toast to the ghost who can boast the most hosts
[21:41:59] <chromas> ...APK
[21:42:06] <kyonko`> keeps the facebook away
[21:42:29] <kyonko`> APK he logs into forums with pass phrase email addies and pass phrase passwords
[21:43:02] <chromas> He was also pro-Delphi and Opera
[21:43:16] <chromas> It's like finding out Hitler like puppies :(
[21:43:17] <kyonko`> Opera was nice while it lasted
[21:43:23] <kyonko`> hitler liked puppies
[21:43:34] <kyonko`> and he had that woman as a prop
[21:43:39] <chromas> so now I need to hate puppies
[21:43:53] <kyonko`> don't worry, i'll only provide you with adult dogs
[21:44:03] <chromas> whew
[22:05:37] <Runaway1956> The thought passed through my mind that APK was off his meds
[22:05:59] <Runaway1956> The very next thought was, he probably doesn't have meds, or a medical plan, or much of anything else
[22:06:20] <Runaway1956> Wonder how many other forums he haunts?
[22:06:23] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[22:06:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Blue Origin Reveals Plans for Future Commercial Space Station Called Orbital Reef" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:06:45] <chromas> Will it harbor spacefish?
[22:06:58] <Runaway1956> They'll have to get a ship into space before they can get a space station into space.
[22:07:09] <Runaway1956> Are they gonna hire SpaceX?
[22:07:22] <FatPhil> it's going to orbit at the narrowest part of space - the waist of space
[22:07:39] <Runaway1956> the waste, more likely
[22:07:47] <chromas> you're no pun
[22:08:06] <Runaway1956> They haven't even demonstrated that they can make an air tight can to keep their cans of people in
[22:08:29] <chromas> Did Bezos die?
[22:08:33] <FatPhil> chromas++
[22:08:33] <Bender> karma - chromas: 400
[22:08:40] * Runaway1956 sighs
[22:08:48] <FatPhil> Runaway1956-- never attempt to explain jokes
[22:08:48] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 37
[22:09:20] <Runaway1956> kid goes to the beach, and snorkels in the shallows - he doesn't have an air tight submarine, lol
[22:09:24] <kyonko`> so are meds good or are meds bad?
[22:09:33] <FatPhil> Orbital Reef = err... lifeboat
[22:09:39] <chromas> depends on the meds
[22:09:46] <Runaway1956> and I didn't explain any jokes FatPhil - you're just being an arse again
[22:09:49] <kyonko`> only 1 in 100 people can reach age 100 without meds
[22:09:49] <kyonko`> YMMV
[22:10:06] <kyonko`> most humans are lucky to breed once after reachng reproductive age
[22:10:12] <kyonko`> otherwise, we wouldn't be here today
[22:10:21] * chromas gives Runaway1956 How to Pun 99 Vol 1
[22:10:30] <kyonko`> thin blu of pre historic pre crime and pre cum
[22:10:34] <FatPhil> medichlorians are good, they give you super powers
[22:10:35] <kyonko`> line
[22:10:52] <kyonko`> he who cums fast wins
[22:11:02] <Runaway1956> So, if a guy breeds 3 or 4 times, he's above average?
[22:11:02] <kyonko`> premature ejaculation is just evolution at work
[22:11:11] <kyonko`> yeah, his genese are assured
[22:11:15] <kyonko`> unless war or genocide
[22:11:16] <kyonko`> or both
[22:11:23] <chromas> come again?
[22:11:32] <kyonko`> usually it means inheriting a face
[22:11:35] <Runaway1956> What if his kids are all homo, and never breed?
[22:11:42] <FatPhil> looking at it from a green perspective - he who breeds 3 or 4 times is fucking toxic to the planet. Other opinions are available.
[22:11:44] <kyonko`> no homo
[22:11:51] <kyonko`> all homo in what era? greece, rome?
[22:12:03] <kyonko`> FatPhil: this is pre-history, before babylon
[22:12:06] <kyonko`> before gilgamesh
[22:12:18] <chromas> being green wasn't an issue when evolution did most of its work
[22:12:21] <Runaway1956> there was no 'before gilgamesh'
[22:12:39] <Runaway1956> fundamentalists say so
[22:12:57] <FatPhil> well, you know why they're called fundamentalists, don't you?
[22:12:57] <kyonko`> look at hobby lobby
[22:13:11] <Runaway1956> they have fun being mental?
[22:13:26] <kyonko`> we have a hobby lobby in my town that some how hasn't closed
[22:13:31] <FatPhil> Runaway1956++ OK, that works
[22:13:31] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 38
[22:14:01] <kyonko`> i don't think hobby lobby is selling much to dual us-mexico citizens who are the only ones who can cross post covid19 rules
[22:14:28] <kyonko`> they sell all the japanese stuff
[22:14:34] <kyonko`> very expensive and ironic
[22:14:42] <Runaway1956> ????? what does that even mean kyonko?
[22:14:54] <Runaway1956> cross post covid rules?
[22:14:58] <kyonko`> some borderlands bullshit
[22:15:07] <kyonko`> mexican nationals can't cross the border post covid19
[22:15:12] <kyonko`> dual citizens can
[22:15:15] <kyonko`> if you have THE MONEY
[22:15:24] <kyonko`> because why would you ever dare leave home WITHOUT MONEY?
[22:15:29] <Runaway1956> Mmmmm - how much money?
[22:15:37] <kyonko`> most of the border shoppers were mexican nationals
[22:15:42] <kyonko`> no money at all, credit only
[22:15:50] <kyonko`> sky's the limit
[22:16:22] * Runaway1956 has had to pay Canadians hundreds of dollars to cross the border
[22:16:25] <kyonko`> ross dress for less was always full of mexican nationals untill they closed at around 1 am
[22:16:28] <kyonko`> (before covid19)
[22:16:37] <Runaway1956> cross dress for less?
[22:16:43] <kyonko`> throw away clothes
[22:16:51] <kyonko`> why launder when you can toss?
[22:17:13] <kyonko`> the ross clothes have certain defects that make them uncomfortable to wear
[22:17:26] * Runaway1956 ponders the strangeness factor
[22:17:27] <kyonko`> reminds me of the shit from VF factory outlet in the mid 90's
[22:17:40] <kyonko`> VF made/makes wrangler
[22:17:43] <Runaway1956> What about Target?
[22:17:55] <kyonko`> Target isn't defective clothes
[22:18:07] <kyonko`> defective shoes are the bees knees
[22:18:13] <Runaway1956> Needed a dress short with little notice, went in and searched for an hour for a decent shirt
[22:18:20] <kyonko`> an hour????
[22:18:28] <kyonko`> just get the plan from amazon
[22:18:30] <Runaway1956> Finally found the best of the pick, with one arm shorter than the other
[22:18:35] <kyonko`> they send you a weekly/monthly clothing packet
[22:18:40] <kyonko`> exactly
[22:18:54] <Runaway1956> Most everything was from Vietnam
[22:19:14] <kyonko`> defective computers
[22:19:27] <kyonko`> the 1985 release of the i386 was a bomb
[22:19:38] <kyonko`> DIP ram, 16-bit only
[22:19:41] <Runaway1956> Actually, I've only been to Target 1/2 dozen times in my life
[22:19:44] <kyonko`> needed i387
[22:20:08] <Runaway1956> Did it come from Steve Jobs laboratory?
[22:20:20] <kyonko`> it came from microsoft
[22:20:26] <kyonko`> as jobs was a motorola man
[22:20:50] <Runaway1956> but i386? Didn't Jobs copyright little i
[22:21:27] <Runaway1956> I finally have an iThing, sort of
[22:22:31] <chromas> I've got two iBalls
[22:22:43] <Runaway1956> only two?
[22:23:24] <Runaway1956> which reminds me - you know why women rub their eyes when they wake up?
[22:23:43] <Runaway1956> they have no balls to scratch
[22:24:11] <kyonko`> upper balls
[22:24:12] <kyonko`> lower balls
[22:24:14] <kyonko`> inner balls
[22:24:19] <kyonko`> body balls
[22:24:30] <Runaway1956> don't forget phat balls
[22:37:51] <kyonko`> remember when insane clown posse was a terror group?
[22:38:22] <requerdanos> it's their fan club that was a terror group. icp is a musical ensemble.
[22:38:56] <chromas> drinking too much from the Faygo tree
[22:41:00] <kyonko`> around 2009 or 2010 the juggalos came to tucson in a carnival and the police shot pepper paintballs at them
[22:41:09] <kyonko`> gathering of the juggalos
[22:41:17] <kyonko`> super spreader event -2340
[23:28:49] <kyonko`> wow, look at the CYBRQUAD
[23:29:02] <kyonko`> what would schopenhauer do?