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[01:11:16] <SoyCow4367> =asub https://arstechnica.com
[01:11:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03“Hacker X”—the American Who Built a pro-Trump Fake News Empire—unmasks Himself" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[01:21:41] <Bytram> =cite https://arxiv.org
[01:21:43] <systemd> Error: Couldn't find any details
[01:28:01] <Bytram> =g "Are iPhones Really Better for Privacy?" "Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps"
[01:28:02] <systemd> http://arxiv.org - Are iPhones Really Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS ...
[01:28:31] <Bytram> =cite http://arxiv.org
[01:28:32] <systemd> Journal Reference: Kollnig, Konrad, Shuba, Anastasia, Binns, Reuben, et al. Are iPhones Really Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/http://arxiv.org/abs/2109.13722">http://arxiv.org/abs/2109.13722</a>)
[01:39:03] <Bytram> https://www.devuan.org
[01:39:05] <systemd> ^ 03Devuan GNU+Linux Free Operating System
[01:43:35] <Bytram> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[01:43:35] <systemd> Error: DOI not found
[01:46:36] <Bytram> =g DOI: 10.1126/science.abh1123
[01:46:37] <systemd> https://www.science.org - Modulation of tactile feedback for the execution of dexterous ...
[01:47:18] <Bytram> =cite https://www.science.org
[01:47:19] <systemd> Journal Reference: Modulation of tactile feedback for the execution of dexterous movement, <cite>Science</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abh1123">https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abh1123</a>)
[01:48:34] <Bytram> https://www.science.org
[01:48:35] <systemd> ^ 03Modulation of tactile feedback for the execution of dexterous movement
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[01:56:57] <SoyCow9256> Reading a lot of trannie-related news today.
[01:58:20] <SoyCow9256> Dropping some trivia - in Silence of the Lambs, when Clarice was investigating Buffalo Bill as a trannie, the doctor who knew who Buffalo Bill was and Clarice had lengthy discussions about how it should be kept from the public.
[01:59:04] <SoyCow9256> Thomas Harris was ahead of his time, but then again he was in good wtih the Jews.
[01:59:24] <AzumaHazuki> sounds like someone flirted with a transwoman at a bar, LOL
[01:59:28] <AzumaHazuki> and found out she was better hung
[01:59:40] <SoyCow9256> For example, every "extra" character is named literally GoldSilverstein.
[02:00:23] <SoyCow9256> In Hannibal Rising he goes full MUH HOLOCAUST with its WWII Lithuania setting.
[02:00:54] * AzumaHazuki pokes, in no particular order, chromas, Bytram, FatPhil, janrinok, takyon, and requerdanos
[02:01:21] <AzumaHazuki> y'all remember that "make this channel registered only" idea? might be a smart move
[02:01:35] <SoyCow9256> Im not lying, if you read the books you'll agree.
[02:01:55] -!- SoyCow9256 was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(requerdanos) No reason given]
[02:07:00] <AzumaHazuki> sooooo, reg'd-only access controls frikkin' when~?
[02:57:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - iPhone Apps No Better for Privacy Than Android, Oxford Study Finds - https://sylnt.us - what's-this-privacy-concept?
[03:34:02] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: perhaps we should have a better protocol for what gets said where, but presently this needs to be open for randos to rush in and scream "your certificate's on fire"
[03:34:42] <AzumaHazuki> that's a good point. for me to poop on.
[03:35:12] <FatPhil> not into the scheisse stuff, sorry
[03:35:31] <AzumaHazuki> email address. tightly controlled spam filter
[03:35:57] <AzumaHazuki> maybe systemd or whatever bot can check the account now and then and ping the eds if need be
[03:37:35] <FatPhil> so when there are tech issues, you want to add more tech?
[03:38:31] <AzumaHazuki> tech is like violence, mate. if it's not working, use more of it :v
[03:39:05] <AzumaHazuki> (but for real, anyone who gives enough of a damn to let you know the cert expired or whatever can be arsed to register a username here)
[04:15:23] <progo> MY certificate is on fire! someone do something!
[04:15:24] <progo> :^)
[04:16:25] <FatPhil> the web of trust is too flammable, just let it burn out.
[04:17:33] <progo> in the middle of the night, with 1 person in the whole universe who sees the web site is on fire and thinks to pop into IRC, are you SURE they're already registered or totally don't mind going through an on-boarding process to point out someone ELSE has a problem and it's not their problem?
[04:18:21] <FatPhil> exactly
[04:19:36] <FatPhil> the easiest solution is to reserve this chan as just a landing site, and encourage chitchat on a different one, which requires voice or registration or something
[04:20:27] <progo> over at Sourcehut, the boss Drew DeVault insists that anonymous randos should always be able to email a project without some github-like signup project. they should be able to comment (via discussion email list) and submit patches (via discussion email list) with nothing more than one sent email
[04:20:43] <progo> and if they become project members after that interaction, great. otherwise thanks for your input
[04:21:43] <progo> I mean he builds software to support that kind of workflow. you can lock things down a little, I think, if you use his software but don't like that policy
[04:22:36] <progo> *without some github-like signup process
[04:23:25] <progo> FatPhil: the No Agenda community's IRC net (ZeroNode) has an alternate setup like you just described
[04:23:30] <progo> almost no one hangs out in the help lobby
[04:23:50] <progo> IRC onboarding questions sometimes sit with no response for hours
[04:24:44] <progo> if you do that with Soylent's IRC, you're going to have to require all privileged community members to hang out in the IRC lobby and set their client to notify for ALL messages not just personal mentions
[04:24:56] <progo> but … well, it's doable
[04:30:08] <progo> I say keep the policies the way they are, here. and everyone don't feed the trolls
[04:30:15] <progo> just my opinions
[04:30:18] <progo> *opinion
[04:36:29] <AzumaHazuki> which does somewhere between squat and jack squat at dealing with our local shitposter
[04:36:55] <progo> this is a problem that must be dealt with actively?
[04:39:26] * Deucalion enters the chat
[04:45:26] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: you do realise that you've been a very vocal supporter and encourager of our present shitposter for *years*?
[04:45:37] <AzumaHazuki> out whoever it is then
[04:45:45] <AzumaHazuki> stop fucking around with me and say it straight out
[04:45:55] <progo> you don't have to address a troll to feed them. you just need to get angry while a lurking sockpuppet watches
[04:46:22] <AzumaHazuki> please don't tell me that diarrhetic spamtroll is aristarchus
[04:47:06] <FatPhil> nope, but the Eth-alike is a smaller problem than Ari
[04:47:44] <FatPhil> the Eth-alike arrives, poops, and leaves. Problem over.
[04:48:05] <AzumaHazuki> as long as he's doing it, no, problem not over
[04:48:11] <AzumaHazuki> out the eth-alike. fuck this bullshit.
[04:49:03] <progo> I really should read Don Quixote some day
[04:50:39] <FatPhil> There's no way you can permit arbitrary people to communicate arbitrary messages without permitting undesirable people to communicate undesirable messages. What you're asking for is a logical impossibility.
[04:55:27] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, what would you suggestion be? Likewise to progo?
[04:55:41] <Deucalion> your* grr :(
[04:56:26] <progo> my suggestion: ignore the troll; if it bugs you that much, figure out how to re-color messages from unregistered users in your IRC client. (that should be easy in all clients, but it's not.) then if someone responds to a anon user, you know what it is they're responding to -- but you don't have to read all the unwashed drivel
[04:56:31] <AzumaHazuki> better question: why not have something on the server nonitoring things to ping/email you when something goes pizdec?
[04:56:34] <progo> policy-wise, change nothing
[04:56:44] <FatPhil> start a channel #nicechat , and only allow nice chat on it.
[04:57:03] <AzumaHazuki> yeah because that'll work. murder's illegal and people still do it
[04:57:10] <FatPhil> great idea, except we'd have to kick azuma off her own channel typically within hours.
[04:57:42] <AzumaHazuki> hey, nasty isn't necessaruly wrong. sometimes people need a size 7 steeltoed workboot kick in the ass
[04:58:16] <FatPhil> so tempted to do a .kick for advocacy of violence, just for lulz
[04:59:02] <AzumaHazuki> yeah how about we try to be better than the shitposters and trolls
[04:59:31] <progo> create a bot like netflix Chaos Monkey: every time ANYONE speaks after being quiet, after 3 lines they have a 0.1% chance of getting kicked just for speaking by Chaos Monkey
[05:00:05] <progo> (Netflix's Chaos Monkey is actually a service that kills instances of Netflix microservices, so that they discover resilience problems before they can combine and cascade)
[05:00:09] <AzumaHazuki> look, this isn't hard: some kind of monitoring process, doesn't have to be Nagios-tier, could be a systemd/openrc service, monitoring a few common points of failure. something goes pizdec, it pings/emails the appropriate admins
[05:01:23] <progo> lol
[05:01:29] <progo> "isn't hard"
[05:01:50] <progo> thanks for the chuckle
[05:01:56] <AzumaHazuki> for the cert issue, just compare its expiration date against current time, if a > b, make noise
[05:02:46] <AzumaHazuki> cronjob it to run every X amount of time
[05:04:27] <progo> it is always eaiser to wait for random anons to bumble up to your front porch and say "didja know your drainage ditch is on fire?" than to correctly design a monitoring system
[05:04:56] <AzumaHazuki> sure, but think wider: what are the impliations of allowing all and sundry on your front porch?
[05:05:08] <progo> ENTERTAINMENT
[05:05:22] <AzumaHazuki> you've got a sociopathic little fuckstain in the neighborhood who likes leaving flaming sacks of doggie doo on your front stoop on the regular
[05:05:35] <AzumaHazuki> presumably as some kind of self portrair
[05:06:27] <progo> I think you stepped in it and there's some on your toe
[05:07:48] <AzumaHazuki> i think you're deliberately missing the goddamn point
[05:08:05] <progo> you're comically missing my point
[05:08:14] <AzumaHazuki> this is a pattern i see on SN over and over and over again. Nothing is done until the horse has left the barn by a long ways
[05:08:14] <progo> you're the only one i've noticed who gets really angry about the trolls
[05:08:50] <AzumaHazuki> it's not the trolls i'm angry about, it's the willful slothful lack of giving-a-fuck on the part of the staff
[05:09:13] <AzumaHazuki> trolls are everywhere. no such thing as a technical solution to a moral problem, I get it. buuuuut there are tradeoffs to make
[05:10:04] <FatPhil> solutions to problems must not be worse than the problem itself.
[05:10:26] <FatPhil> if it's so important, create #nicechat, and part #soylent
[05:10:39] <FatPhil> problem soved, 20 keypresses
[05:10:49] <progo> I would participate in #nicechat and I hereby promise to be nice, in that channel
[05:11:25] <FatPhil> so would I, and so do I
[05:11:35] <AzumaHazuki> that is a lot of words to say "fuck off"
[05:11:44] <AzumaHazuki> you know very well why that isn't a solution
[05:12:35] <AzumaHazuki> frankly i don't buy the "any random joe needs to be able to come in here and tell us our shit's on fire" line for a moment. most of the site's users don't give a damn. IRC is niche at best these days. our membership in here is static.
[05:13:09] <progo> anyone have a record of my first appearance here?
[05:13:17] <FatPhil> the logs say otherwise
[05:13:18] <progo> not that I'm particularly valuable, but i'm an example:
[05:13:28] <progo> how long was I here, and how much did I speak before I REGISTERED?|
[05:13:59] <progo> (shit. oh. uhm, I might have registered before I even joined the channel. nm.) but dammit most IRC users don't start that way on a system
[05:14:41] <AzumaHazuki> and the ones who want to be in here bad enough can take 30 seconds with nickserv
[05:15:04] <progo> FatPhil: wants to know if they have important information even if they can't be bothered to register
[05:15:08] <progo> FatPhil wants to know if they have important information even if they can't be bothered to register
[05:15:21] <progo> that tradeoff has been decided
[05:15:22] <AzumaHazuki> it's like a lock, okay? locks keep out the lazy, stupid, and weak thieves. if someone is determined to get in and break shit, they will. but most trolls are low-effort almost by definition
[05:15:37] <FatPhil> well, not just me, the admins en masse
[05:15:55] <progo> and here we are arguing in circles with a troll feeder with dookie on her toe
[05:16:01] <AzumaHazuki> here's an idea: have another channel for reporting these issues and make it known it exists
[05:16:09] <FatPhil> progo - use sedbot for tpyos
[05:16:14] <progo> no :^b
[05:18:41] <AzumaHazuki> it's obvious i'm wasting my virtual breath here. nothing short of God himself thundering from the heavens "fix your shit and do it the way Hazuki suggests" will make anything change
[05:18:49] <AzumaHazuki> just don't say no one gave you suggestions or reasons
[05:19:37] <AzumaHazuki> that line about there being no technical solution to moral problems? yeah, that includes when the problem is apathy and/or stupidity on the part of the powers that be
[05:21:07] <FatPhil> are you insulting the admins?
[05:22:21] <AzumaHazuki> just a general observation. that's one of those fractal antipatterns you see all over the world
[05:23:24] <progo> it occurs to me to wonder if AzumaHazuki is a troll, meta trolling about all this policy debate. I only wonder this because my best friend is an autistic troll of this calibre. (that particular friend -- I know she is not here with us on this server, though.)
[05:23:40] <AzumaHazuki> I don't troll, progo
[05:23:54] <progo> I accept this assertion
[05:23:56] <AzumaHazuki> i also don't post AC or sockpuppet and that drives some people who do absolutely fucking nuts
[05:24:19] <AzumaHazuki> this world is so twisted and corkscrewed that a straight shooter like me is deeply unsettling to some people
[05:35:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Devuan 4.0: Chimaera Released! - https://sylnt.us - but-I'm-still-on-2.0
[05:49:06] <FatPhil> You do realise that that's precisely the rhetoric the alt-right use too.
[05:49:55] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, progo - thank you. You are correct, our certs should not be allowed to expire, that is inexcusable and should never be a hair on fire event. The occasional hair on fire "site is giving Guru Meditation" or 404 for me, we have to accommodate here on IRC as it is the fastest way to alert someone who can do something about it - or have someone poke a taser into someone who can fix it to get on it.
[05:49:56] <AzumaHazuki> yes, but they lie. they claim to be arguing in good faith but aren't. i am.
[05:50:35] <AzumaHazuki> i realize that saying what one means and meaning what one says has been passe since probably the invention of the barter system but nevertheless...
[05:51:22] <AzumaHazuki> and with that i need to get some sleep before tomorrow's shift. the one thing i majorly hate about outpatient pharmacy is the schedule isn't consistnet
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[05:54:32] <Deucalion> The above means we have to let anyone shout in the lobby, and more generally it is how we have run #soylent historically.
[06:02:24] <progo> Deucalion I wasn't disagreeing with anyone but azumahazuki
[06:06:48] <FatPhil> ohhhh yeas you were!
[06:06:56] <FatPhil> she's behind you!
[06:07:10] * FatPhil pratfalls
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[06:46:59] <FatPhil> Is there actually a downloadable book here? The website renders nothing in my browser, even with full JS-rape enabled: https://play.google.com
[06:47:00] <systemd> ^ 03The History of Witches and Wizards: Giving a True Account of All Their Tryals in England, Scotland, Sweedland, France, and New England ... Collected ... By W. P. - Google Play
[06:47:29] <chromas> I see photos of pages
[06:47:57] <FatPhil> Ug, so to take a copy, you'd need to save each image? That would suck.
[06:48:09] <chromas> ooh, there's a Report Offensive Content button
[06:48:33] <FatPhil> The spelling "Sweedland" is offensive to me - do it!
[06:48:54] <chromas> hm, there's actually text as well
[06:49:19] <chromas> there's a div for each word in the photo and it has the word in text form
[06:49:59] <chromas> so I can actually select the text
[06:50:16] <FatPhil> So it's fake, just like Obama's birth certificate?
[06:50:45] <chromas> no it's real, like Birther's Originals
[06:52:01] <FatPhil> Fat bois like me only recognise Girther's Originals.
[06:52:23] <chromas> I heard it's pretty long
[06:52:59] <chromas> there's some amount of accessibility whatevers so the text it there too also, as well
[06:58:02] <chromas> . https://iiif.wellcomecollection.org
[06:58:27] <chromas> here's þe olde downloadable pdf
[07:01:20] <FatPhil> But that says "Swedeland"!
[07:01:22] <FatPhil> fake!
[07:01:36] <FatPhil> chromas++ not blaming you for the fakeness
[07:01:36] <Bender> karma - chromas: 394
[07:02:06] <chromas> oh hm
[07:02:14] <chromas> how do I know which is correct?
[07:02:26] <chromas> I just need to find a third source and pick the most common one
[07:02:40] <chromas> unless the third one is suædelund
[07:02:53] <FatPhil> bork bork bork!
[07:04:07] <FatPhil> A young Swedish-speaking friend in Finland had never heard of the "Swedish Chef", so we played some to him. His first reaction was "But that's not Swedish - that's Dutch!". Take that, Dutchland!
[07:04:25] <One-who-stands-behin> Geatland
[07:05:00] <FatPhil> That's just the bellend bit
[07:05:23] <One-who-stands-behin> But, the only real part.
[07:07:19] <FatPhil> I have friends in Kiruna who would disagree
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[07:14:56] <FatPhil> chromas++ wow - that book's fantastic (quite literally) - thanks again!
[07:14:56] <Bender> karma - chromas: 395
[07:15:22] <chromas> You're welcome. Hopefully the rest is more realerer than that one page
[07:15:44] <FatPhil> I wanted it for the articles, not the smutty pictures, obviously
[07:16:29] <FatPhil> hmmm, which makes me wonder if plain text can be snarfed from Project Guttenberh
[07:16:57] <FatPhil> sorry, one of the images was too smutty, and I threw up a bit
[07:17:28] <FatPhil> On the assumptiona that Sonny Bono hasn't poshumously extended copyright back to the 1720s, that is.
[07:19:44] <chromas> hm, when did nonce become an html property?
[07:20:27] <FatPhil> some time around HTML5 I guess?
[07:22:12] <FatPhil> CSP security bullhickey: https://content-security-policy.com
[07:22:13] <systemd> ^ 03CSP Nonce ⟶ Examples and Guide
[07:22:30] <chromas> https://www.msn.com
[07:22:32] <systemd> ^ 03Rolling Stones drop 'Brown Sugar' due to 'conflicts' over slave lyrics
[07:28:46] <FatPhil> but "rape and murder" is fine?
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[07:42:02] <goat> who goes down on goats?
[07:42:29] * goat spies aristarchus wearing fake beard and wig
[07:49:54] <FatPhil> Says the person using at least 6 different nicks in the last 24 hours.
[07:52:28] <goat> Are you talking to ME?
[07:55:09] <FatPhil> As if what I said could be interpreted any other way. Stop playing the fool.
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[08:16:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rickroll Grad Prank Exposes Exterity IPTV Bug - https://sylnt.us
[08:20:57] <aristarchus> μηδὲν ἄγαν
[08:32:16] <aristarchus> https://medenagan.bandcamp.com
[08:32:17] <systemd> ^ 03Catharsis, by Meden Agan
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[09:15:12] <aristarchus> Well, too crowded in here. Καλημέρα.
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[09:49:19] <FatPhil> So, what does "Meden Agan" mean? Something like "Mediocrity Everywhere", no?
[10:14:42] <boru> It's one of the inscriptions on the temple of Apollo: "nothing in excess" i.e. everything in moderation.
[10:18:18] <FatPhil> Have you heard their music?
[10:18:40] <FatPhil> I was only able to bear 60s of https://www.youtube.com
[10:18:42] <systemd> ^ 03MEDEN AGAN - Everlasting Pain (Official video)
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[11:02:16] <boru> I haven't heard them, no.
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[11:06:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Photon-Phonon Breakthrough: A New Way to Combine Two Different States of Matter - https://sylnt.us
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[13:47:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - British Medical Journal: Daily Use of CBD Oil May be Linked to Lung Cancer Regression - https://sylnt.us
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[14:09:22] <FatPhil> Top tip: Thicken up runny low-fat yoghurt by stirring in a spoonful of lard.
[14:18:59] <FatPhil> https://www.msn.com
[14:19:00] <systemd> ^ 03LinkedIn’s Exit From China Cuts Another East-West Bridge
[14:22:03] <Bytram> FatPhil++ thank you!
[14:22:04] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 152
[14:22:31] <Bytram> janrinok++ thank you!
[14:22:31] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 79
[14:50:04] <Bytram> sed puzzle anyone? Given a line from #rss-botc that contains multiple entries separated by: ' || ' what sed expression will strip those characters and everything else that follows?
[14:51:01] <Bytram> IOW, how do I escape the pipe character?
[14:57:29] <janrinok> when you say 'everything that follows' do you mean characters immediately preceded by the pipe, or everything else on that line?
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[15:01:41] <Bytram> recent entry:
[15:01:42] <Bytram> <Skittles> [Mashable] - Elon Musk says Starlink is 'talking to airlines' about adding satellite internet - http://feeds.mashable.com || Watch this local reporter shred while delivering news about a skatepark - http://feeds.mashable.com
[15:02:05] <Bytram> keep JUST
[15:02:32] <Bytram> <Skittles> [Mashable] - Elon Musk says Starlink is 'talking to airlines' about adding satellite internet - http://feeds.mashable.com
[15:03:33] <Bytram> remove '<space><space><pipe><pipe>.*'
[15:04:57] <boru> Does it need to be sed? Why not just use cut or awk?
[15:08:34] <boru> Bikeshedding, though. sed 's/||.*//'
[15:08:44] <boru> At least with BSD sed.
[15:09:12] <Bytram> no, but there must be a way and it's driving me crazy!
[15:09:40] * Bytram uses Ubuntu
[15:09:58] <boru> echo 'magic || badgers' | sed 's/||.*//'
[15:10:18] <boru> You can trim the whitespace obviously.
[15:10:34] <boru> Fairly sure GNU sed should eat that as well.
[15:10:48] <boru> Unless you have some wonky shell that swallows the pipes first for some reason.
[15:11:32] <Bytram> Yup, it worked. I'm certain I tried that before, but obviously not!
[15:11:52] <Bytram> boru++ thank you!
[15:11:52] <Bender> karma - boru: 64
[15:11:57] <boru> Sure, you're welcome man.
[15:12:05] <Bytram> gtg; laters!
[15:49:08] <Runaway1956> Stew again
[15:49:55] <Runaway1956> Started by cutting up a couple pound of steak, bunch of taters, couple big onions, garlic - and that 10 quart slow cooker looked pretty empty
[15:50:45] <Runaway1956> Ran to town, bought 'shrooms, cabbage, squash, frozen mixed veggies, bell peppers, got it home & started chopping
[15:50:54] <Runaway1956> now my pot runneth over, lol
[15:51:29] <Runaway1956> oh yeah, fresh baby spinach
[15:52:53] <boru> Made stew myself last Sunday. A few rabbits, potatoes, carrots, parsnips, turnips, onions, garlic and peas, good stock made from scratch and two bottles of guinness.
[15:53:25] <boru> Browned the rabbit in a pan, and then all into the slow cooker for 8 hours.
[15:53:31] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm, I have no guinness, but the boys have some cheap beer in the fridge
[15:53:54] <Runaway1956> What would pilsener do to a stew? Make it taste like urine?
[15:54:09] <boru> Aye, be a bit too bitter I'd reckon.
[15:54:26] <boru> I've a bias, but stout is best for stew.
[15:54:51] <Runaway1956> Most anything with some body would be better than cheap American pilseners
[15:56:47] <boru> Goes for any beer that's made to drink cold on a hot day. Stew's cold weather eating.
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[16:36:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dead-End SF Street Plagued with Confused Waymo Cars Trying to Turn Around 'Every 5 Minutes' - https://sylnt.us - turnabout-is-fair-play?
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[18:09:28] <chromas> That shouldn't be a surprise. Dead-end streets are one of those cartography watermarks
[18:21:38] <chromas> =yt don't turn around
[18:21:39] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Ace of Base - Don't Turn Around (Official Music Video) (03:49; 28,705,364 views; 👍143,583 👎4,137)
[18:22:37] * Teckla just realized his iPhone 8 is over 4 years old already
[18:22:46] <Teckla> Battery still great; performance still great.
[18:23:09] <Teckla> The CPU is probably faster than any modern day Android-based flagship smartphones.
[18:42:37] <chromas> Is it a faster CPU or does it just seem like it because it's not stuck sludging through Java?
[18:43:01] <chromas> java--
[18:43:01] <Bender> karma - java: -36
[19:26:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Will Shut Down LinkedIn in China - https://sylnt.us - un-linked
[19:50:05] <Bytram> https://twitter.com
[19:51:56] <Bytram> ^^^ Newscaster gives report, LIVE, from a skatepark -- while on a skateboard
[20:28:44] <Teckla> chromas: I think both; faster CPU and more efficient programs.
[20:29:03] <Teckla> I program Java for a living, it's definitely an oinker.
[20:29:15] <Teckla> Before this life, I programmed gigatons of C code.
[20:35:10] <chromas> I'm sorry for your loss :'(
[20:35:16] * Teckla chuckles
[20:35:37] <Teckla> I would love to go back to low-level programming, but the C job market is d-e-a-d where I live. :(
[20:35:46] <Teckla> Either that, or requires some knowledge I don't have.
[20:35:52] <chromas> I tried Android programming once. Couldn't figure out the relationship between files and namespaces, which I guess there isn't. That's totally gay
[20:36:25] <Teckla> chromas: I've peeked at Android programming. In my humble opinion, Google *grossly* over-architected the ever living shit out of things.
[20:36:33] <Teckla> Reminds me of Java Swing, another over-architected monstrosity.
[20:36:45] <chromas> I thought that was Java's whole schtick
[20:36:56] <Teckla> Ya. It seems to be kind of a cultural thing.
[20:37:11] <Teckla> "I need to add one to an integer. Time to create a new class!"
[20:37:36] <Teckla> Not so much a Java-the-language program, but definitely a Java-the-culture thing.
[20:37:43] <chromas> I saw a video about the latest Samsung ultra-wide monitor and the comments were jokes about finally being able to fit an entire java class name on one line
[20:37:54] <Teckla> haha indeed :)
[20:38:16] <Teckla> Most of the examples of that you see online are generated class file names that programmers never really see or use, but still, it's pretty funny :)
[20:39:02] <chromas> Yeah. Remember Hello World Enterprise Edition?
[20:39:07] <Teckla> Yep :)
[20:39:44] <Teckla> The way modern software completely wastes our insane hardware resources is disappointing :(
[20:41:13] <chromas> I guess that's the real way javascript is linked to java—muh culture
[20:41:26] <chromas> Need to slide this text over? Import 30GB library!
[20:51:35] <Bytram> chromas: s/G/T/
[20:51:47] <Bytram> s/G/T/
[20:52:08] <Bytram> whatevs!
[21:29:53] <progo> I remember Fizzbuzz enterprise edition
[21:30:06] <progo> factoryfactories for the win
[22:25:36] <halibut> Minor addition to the sed command earlier, for stripping everything after a double pipe. You can catch the spaces as well with this: echo 'magic || badgers' | sed 's/[[:space:]]*||.*$//;'
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[23:03:44] <SoyCow9082> Oh look, the goddamn Jews are starting to distance themselves from Judeo-Globalism.
[23:04:09] <SoyCow9082> ("We were never about all this division!")
[23:04:39] <SoyCow9082> ("We were never about leading American Goyim into pointless wars for our own sake!")
[23:05:09] <SoyCow9082> The nerve of those honking hooknosed hornbills.
[23:05:19] <Bytram> .kick SoyCow9082
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[23:05:36] <Bytram> Bye!
[23:05:49] <Bytram> https://www.wcpo.com
[23:05:50] <systemd> ^ 03Kroger charges customer $12,000 for oranges, bounces bank account
[23:07:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's Lucy Mission is Ready to Launch and Explore Never-Before-Seen Asteroids - https://sylnt.us
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