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[02:46:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Managed to Toilet Train Cows, and They Learned Faster Than a Toddler - https://sylnt.us
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[07:27:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Generals Planning for a Space War They See as All but Inevitable - https://sylnt.us - Pew!-Pew!-Pew!
[07:47:15] <chromas> White paint could eliminate the need for air conditioning? What about just foil or something?
[07:50:35] <t3> just build houses with proper thick walls that insulate well instead of sticks and fiberglass
[07:51:05] <chromas> Nah that sounds like work
[07:51:31] <chromas> plus then the hvac industry will give you the big frown
[07:53:56] <t3> the excessive airtightness of modern houses is another factor
[07:54:11] <chromas> But I don't want to breathe fresh air
[07:56:38] <chromas> our house is made out of concrete. still collects the hots
[07:56:55] <chromas> need some of that white paint for the shingles
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[08:01:00] <t3> concrete doesn't have a great r-value unless it's a special (expensive) mix
[08:02:07] <t3> the paint might work well to counteract that
[08:06:38] <t3> I do wonder how it would interact with ice and snow
[08:29:42] <t3> =submit http://lite.cnn.com
[08:29:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03CNN - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos" (51p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:35:58] <FatPhil> https://newyork.cbslocal.com
[08:35:59] <systemd> ^ 03Caught On Video: Carmine's Hostess Attacked After Asking Tourists For Proof Of Vaccination
[08:44:10] <t3> =submit https://fortune.com
[08:44:12] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Chip Makers to Carmakers: Time to Get Out of the Semiconductor Stone Age" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:48:32] <t3> why would antivaxxer tourists go to NY of all places?
[08:49:31] <chromas> Their on an anti-vax tour
[08:49:46] <chromas> can't even spoell
[08:50:55] <chromas> Go from shop to shop, looking to beat up hostesses #BashTheVaxxFash
[08:55:30] <Runaway1956> t3 - concrete isn't much more expensive if you ask for air
[08:55:59] <Runaway1956> the thing about concrete or adobe or rock or brick is - you want it THICK!
[08:56:34] <Runaway1956> Prestressed panels with a total of 3 inches of concrete and some air space down the center doesn't make a very good heat sink.
[09:46:09] <FatPhil> I think our walls are at least 60cm thick, so we're lovely and cool in summer
[10:27:13] <Runaway1956> Yeah, that's 2 feet thick FatPhil - great heat sink
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[12:05:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Preparing to Test Thorium Nuclear Reactor - https://sylnt.us
[13:24:04] <FatPhil> mart: do not buy https://www.ratebeer.com - Marduk and I had it in Finland, and I accidentally bought a can of it yesterday. I've marked it with your name.
[13:45:53] <FatPhil> oops, wrong window
[13:54:15] <chromas> that's what he said
[13:59:19] <chromas> https://www.techspot.com
[13:59:20] <systemd> ^ 03Unicode Standard Version 14 brings users new characters and images
[13:59:25] <chromas> it's that time again
[14:01:27] <chromas> https://www.slashgear.com
[14:01:28] <systemd> ^ 03Study warns synthetic cannabis alternative ‘spice’ has worse withdrawals
[14:01:40] <chromas> If you climb K2, you're gonna have a bad time
[14:02:06] <chromas> also, the spice makes spae travel possible. travel without moving
[14:04:13] <Bytram> Speaking of Spice... https://www.instagram.com
[14:04:15] <systemd> ^ 03Amy Allen on Instagram: “ur livin in AWW! ❤️‍🔥🦋 getting closer ;) also my setlist for @lifeisbeautiful this weekend may be in here somewhere…”
[14:21:33] <chromas> from the waaaaaah dept. https://www.theguardian.com
[14:21:34] <systemd> ^ 03Beeban Kidron v Silicon Valley: one woman’s fight to protect children online
[14:33:04] <Bytram> Amy is one of my all-time favorite artists (have been following her since she graduated high school... 10 years ago!) And now she is signed with Warner Music) She's a real sweetheart in person, too. We still keep in touch by txt messages. =)
[15:33:48] <Teckla> FatPhil: Why did you choose to use Pale Moon instead of one of the mainstream browsers?
[15:34:41] <Bytram> because it's more... convenient! ;)
[15:36:10] * Bytram used to use Pale Moon until I switched to Linux; now I use Firefox
[15:44:02] * Teckla uses Chrome, Firefox, and Mobile Safari.
[15:48:51] * Bytram uses chrome on mobile
[16:01:08] <Teckla> I prefer Safari on my iPhone and iPad because my adblocker works with those.
[16:20:16] <Bytram> I have an old Android (not C3PO!)... Never installed an app, and I run it with almost everything turned off. =) JavaScript is enabled for only a couple sites. No Facebook, No Instagram, No TikTok!!!
[16:23:37] <Teckla> I don't use any of those web sites either
[16:39:00] <Bytram> I think I only allow SoylentNews.org and *maybe* a couple others... except when editing stories -- then Private Browsing with NoScript (and selective, manual, temporary is my friend) =)
[16:41:44] <Bytram> As it so happens, there are a couple pages on Instagram that I would like to download. Having NO luck so far.
[16:45:38] <Bytram> Woo Hoo! I *think* I can take a screen shot!
[16:57:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Flying a Helicopter on Mars is Getting "Harder and Harder," NASA Says - https://sylnt.us - here's-hoping
[17:02:05] <FatPhil> Teckla: because I was happy with firefox until they removed an essential feature, and palemoon was a fork of the pre-feature firefox.
[17:02:58] <requerdanos> what's the missing essential feature?
[17:04:07] <Bytram> Creature Creature Double Feature ;)
[17:05:05] <FatPhil> "[ ] Don't ask me again" on cookie rejection. (i.e. being able to say "yes, ask me again next time")
[17:05:11] * Bytram notes that was a weekend afternoon staple on TV as a child
[17:07:02] <FatPhil> e.g. see this discussion here: https://support.mozilla.org
[17:07:03] <systemd> ^ 03The "ask me every time" option of the privacy settings, regarding cookies, is gone.
[17:07:19] <Bytram> FatPhil: So, once you accept it (even by accident) you'd never have a change to change your mind?
[17:07:20] <FatPhil> I concur with the "This is most distressing" person
[17:07:53] <FatPhil> you can pull up the list of all saved settings, and delete it, so you will get asked again, but that's a drag.
[17:08:57] <FatPhil> Blame these smegholes: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
[17:08:58] <systemd> ^ 03469260 - Remove "ask me every time" as an option for cookies
[17:10:29] <Bytram> Sp, there
[17:11:44] <Bytram> So there's no private(?) variable you can set to override the setting?
[17:14:05] <FatPhil> The idiotic thing is that they didn't realise that the correct way of solving the problem of stacking 15 modal dialog boxes is simply to not stack 15 modal dialog boxes. Don't pop up a newer dialog box until the first one is dismissed. If it was dismissed with a "don't ask me again", then the subsequent ones don't even appear.
[17:22:10] <Bytram> makes sense. OTOH, I can fully imagine it being coded where that would not be possible -- messages come out like an "alert" path, rather than a sequence of IF-THEN_ELSE statements
[17:24:47] <FatPhil> a "queue" data structure does exist.
[17:26:24] <Bytram> You know that. I know that. This is Firefox (derivative) we're talking about. :/
[17:30:38] <Bytram> meal time. laters!
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[17:34:35] <FatPhil> Don't mention food
[17:35:21] <FatPhil> Just had the special offer duck thing here: https://www.facebook.com and am literally waddling now.
[17:35:24] <systemd> ^ 03Olde Hansa the Medieval Restaurant and Shoppe
[17:35:58] <FatPhil> was some kind of mutant duck the size of a therapod
[17:38:07] <Bytram> !gran FatPhil
[17:38:16] <Bytram> #gran FatPhil
[17:38:28] <Bytram> @gran FatPhil
[17:38:35] <Bytram> $gran FatPhil
[17:39:06] <Bytram> !grab FatPhil
[17:39:06] <Bender> Added quote 1054
[17:39:29] <Bytram> Took me long enough!
[17:40:03] <Bytram> =yt this time for sure Bullwinkle
[17:40:04] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Bullwinkle's Hat Trick 5 (16; 47,278 views; 👍202 👎4)
[17:42:13] <Teckla> FatPhil: Does Pale Moon get security updates and such? And in a timely manner?
[18:00:22] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.statnews.com from the kick-punch-it's-all-in-the-mind dept.
[18:00:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Arm Amputation Surgery Makes a 'Phantom' Hand Feel Real - STAT" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:01:04] <FatPhil> it did, probably does, but I pinned it at an old version because they removed a must-have feature
[18:44:59] <t3> =yt nzhjBFhEwvg
[18:45:00] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Hydrophobic Patterns Make Spinning Water Drops (04:24; 376,500 views; 👍24,598 👎186)
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[18:50:58] <FatPhil> t3++ wow - very cool!
[18:50:58] <Bender> karma - t3: 8
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[20:06:20] <Runaway1956> kinda interesting https://github.com
[20:06:22] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub - cyring/CoreFreq: CoreFreq is a CPU monitoring software designed for the 64-bits Processors.
[20:06:37] <Runaway1956> Gives a tiny bit more insight into core usage
[20:07:02] <Runaway1956> also had to do some reading on C-states and P-states
[20:13:42] <Runaway1956> Computer seems a bit more "alive" setting P-state to 1, compared to 4, lol
[20:14:48] <Runaway1956> With C-states, I only have to option of enabling or disabling, and I haven't quite decided whether I should disable it
[20:37:03] <t3> IIRC, the scheduler you're using makes a big difference in how aggressively cores are throttled
[21:20:42] <t3> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[21:20:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03How India's Air Pollution is Being Turned Into Floor Tiles" (39p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:32:35] <Runaway1956> agreed t3, scheduler makes a difference - however, I'm still poking around my new CPUs and learning their capabilities
[21:33:01] <Runaway1956> I was suprised to find so many cores idle so much of the time, when I have Folding at Home running
[21:48:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese Astronauts Return to Earth After 90-day Mission - https://sylnt.us - good-health-and-good-spirits
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[22:14:15] <t3> =submit https://www.eurekalert.org
[22:14:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Coral Reef Cover, Biodiversity, Fish Catches Have Declined by Half Since the 1950s" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:15:38] <Runaway1956> https://www.nssf.org
[22:15:40] <systemd> ^ 03Ghost Guns are a Gun Control Boogeyman
[22:16:42] <t3> gun control in general is just one boogeyman after another
[22:17:38] <Runaway1956> Gun control is one huge projection: people who would do you harm want to deprive you of the means to do them harm
[22:18:20] <requerdanos> gun control is of course a little more complex and nuanced than that.
[22:21:02] <AzumaHazuki> pssh, no it's not. any gun control at all is a second amendment violation and it's all because the Demon-crats want to disarm the populace :v
[22:21:36] <AzumaHazuki> the constitution says anyone can have any arms they can get their hands on you commie pinko atheist Marxist Jew Muslim Mexican terrorist immigrant spic LIB-RUL
[22:22:04] <t3> gun control only increases the relative lucrativity of gun crime, but does little to reduce supply or demand
[22:22:45] <t3> and does othing at all to fix the underlying problems that cause people to kill
[22:23:57] <AzumaHazuki> the US definitely does seem to have a lot more psychopaths than most other developed nations if that's what you mean
[22:24:26] <t3> no, psychopaths arent the problem, most gun crime is about economics
[22:24:29] <AzumaHazuki> thing is, the ones shouting about "MUH ROOTY TOOTY POINT'N'SHOOTY!" the loudest are also the ones who should least be allowed anywhere near them
[22:25:39] <t3> people shoot each other because they are desperate, scared, or have few other options than violence to make ends meet
[22:26:39] <t3> crazed murderers doing mass shootings are an aberration that barely shows up statistically, total cucuy
[22:26:52] <Runaway1956> Hey, 'Zumi is making my case for me!
[22:27:22] <Runaway1956> Possessing a weapon should never be illegal - improper USE OF that weapon should be punished severely.
[22:28:08] <Runaway1956> I guess I've converted 'Zumi to my way of thinking?
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[23:23:59] <Teckla> Runaway1956: So... possessing a nuclear-armed ICBM -- a weapon -- should be legal? :)
[23:24:43] <chromas> Why not?
[23:25:07] <Teckla> What could go wrong? :)
[23:25:20] <chromas> The military has them and I trust my neighbor far more than those guys
[23:26:14] <t3> =submit https://www.sciencealert.com
[23:26:16] <Teckla> You are a very trusting person, to trust all 340 million of your neighbors!
[23:26:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Study Explains Why Human Languages Share a Lot of the Same Grammar" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:28:04] <chromas> I only need to trust the ones with enough money
[23:33:30] <Runaway1956> Teckla - nuclear ICBMs may be going a bit too far. I prefer to limit it to tactical nukes on shorter ranged cruise missiles.
[23:34:00] <Runaway1956> If we can trust Israel and Pakistan with nukes, we can trust Bubba.
[23:34:26] <chromas> We have to trust Israel. They make all our CPUs
[23:34:39] <Runaway1956> No, just most of them.
[23:34:54] <Runaway1956> I don't think there is an AMD plant in Israel.
[23:35:04] <chromas> Probably why we're always giving them free moneys and doing their bidding in the middle east
[23:35:38] * Runaway1956 inserts EF rant about jew scum CPU manufacturing and sucker goyim Intel users
[23:36:30] <Runaway1956> Please consider that rant to be six paragraphs long, EF needs his per word income
[23:37:39] <chromas> AMD is just controlled opposition, like Mozilla and the KKK
[23:38:32] <Runaway1956> Who joins the Kook Kids Klub anymore?
[23:38:39] <chromas> feds
[23:39:00] <Runaway1956> Sorry, forgot the entrapment operations.
[23:39:10] <chromas> are there any others?
[23:39:45] <Runaway1956> Not sure, I think there was a fact finding mission to Guatemala a few years back, and another to Columbia before that.
[23:40:06] <Runaway1956> Then, there was the arms smuggling op in Mexico that flopped badly
[23:40:36] <Runaway1956> teraflopped badly I meant to say
[23:42:32] <chromas> 1.21 terrorflops
[23:43:18] <Teckla> Runaway1956: I agree that the "right to bear arms" should not include ICBMs. I was just shooting down (pun not intended) the obviously outrageously foolish idea that people should be able to own whatever arms they want.
[23:44:04] <Runaway1956> I've never quite made my mind up where the limits should be, really.
[23:44:19] <Runaway1956> If you're rich, you can have machine guns - that's wrong.
[23:44:33] <Runaway1956> if the rich can have them, po folks should have them too
[23:44:39] <chromas> We need section 8 machine guns immediately
[23:45:20] <Runaway1956> Of course, crew served weapons will fall into their own category.
[23:45:48] <Runaway1956> You can't have a howitzer unless you belong to a club or something that takes responsibility for it
[23:45:56] <chromas> the navy gets free battleships—why can't we?
[23:46:03] <Runaway1956> and, of course, you have to have a crew to serve the weapon.
[23:46:16] <Runaway1956> Because you can't crew a battleship.
[23:46:39] <chromas> What if I have friends? I don't, but what if I did?
[23:47:06] <Runaway1956> You gotta have about 2000 friends I think, for a rather small battleship
[23:47:40] <Runaway1956> Hell, a dinky little destroyer needs ~300 men
[23:47:48] <Runaway1956> or 16 women
[23:48:24] <Teckla> Runaway1956: It seems obvious there should be limits, but I don't know what those limits should be. I'm sure humans would argue about it forever.
[23:48:27] <Runaway1956> best not to mix and match there, or you'll soon have too much crew
[23:48:39] <chromas> Not if I cut back on extras like toilets and stuff
[23:48:50] <chromas> no toilets, nobody needs to maintain them
[23:49:13] <Runaway1956> Fine, when you need to shit, go hang your ass off the fantail in 40 foot seas
[23:49:59] <chromas> plus you can just replace most of the crew with a rack of PCs :)
[23:50:24] <Runaway1956> Mmmmm-hmmmmm - I wanna see how that works out
[23:50:57] <chromas> helicopters are pretty hard to fly but put a couple extra rotors on and suddenly you can fly it from a pocket computer
[23:51:09] <Runaway1956> More than half the crew's job is maintenance and damage control, those PCs better have some good bots
[23:51:30] <chromas> and I have it on good authority that you can just stay home and save lives and all the hardware and pipelines will just run themselves
[23:51:57] <Runaway1956> what we really need are cyborgs made from cloned brains
[23:52:09] <Runaway1956> 30,000 clones share one vote
[23:55:18] <chromas> so do they vote on which way to vote?
[23:55:55] <Runaway1956> Some stories seem to think that clones will be telepathic, all they need to do is think it out
[23:56:29] <chromas> but the 5Gs will interrupt their telepathy
[23:56:52] <Runaway1956> Nahhh, the other way around - telepathy will shut down the Gs
[23:57:19] <Runaway1956> Ask GenZ about that
[23:59:07] * Teckla install iSH on his iPad, and it's bloody brilliant.
[23:59:19] <Teckla> Was even able to triviall install development tools, and compile and run hello.c
[23:59:26] <Teckla> s/install iSH/installed iSH/
[23:59:28] <Runaway1956> what does iSH do?
[23:59:52] <Teckla> Runaway1956: 32-bit x86 Alpine Linux emulated on the iPad