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[23:59:52] <Teckla> Runaway1956: 32-bit x86 Alpine Linux emulated on the iPad
[23:59:28] <Runaway1956> what does iSH do?
[23:59:26] <Teckla> s/install iSH/installed iSH/
[23:59:19] <Teckla> Was even able to triviall install development tools, and compile and run hello.c
[23:59:07] * Teckla install iSH on his iPad, and it's bloody brilliant.
[23:57:19] <Runaway1956> Ask GenZ about that
[23:56:52] <Runaway1956> Nahhh, the other way around - telepathy will shut down the Gs
[23:56:29] <chromas> but the 5Gs will interrupt their telepathy
[23:55:55] <Runaway1956> Some stories seem to think that clones will be telepathic, all they need to do is think it out
[23:55:18] <chromas> so do they vote on which way to vote?
[23:52:09] <Runaway1956> 30,000 clones share one vote
[23:51:57] <Runaway1956> what we really need are cyborgs made from cloned brains
[23:51:30] <chromas> and I have it on good authority that you can just stay home and save lives and all the hardware and pipelines will just run themselves
[23:51:09] <Runaway1956> More than half the crew's job is maintenance and damage control, those PCs better have some good bots
[23:50:57] <chromas> helicopters are pretty hard to fly but put a couple extra rotors on and suddenly you can fly it from a pocket computer
[23:50:24] <Runaway1956> Mmmmm-hmmmmm - I wanna see how that works out
[23:49:59] <chromas> plus you can just replace most of the crew with a rack of PCs :)
[23:49:13] <Runaway1956> Fine, when you need to shit, go hang your ass off the fantail in 40 foot seas
[23:48:50] <chromas> no toilets, nobody needs to maintain them
[23:48:39] <chromas> Not if I cut back on extras like toilets and stuff
[23:48:27] <Runaway1956> best not to mix and match there, or you'll soon have too much crew
[23:48:24] <Teckla> Runaway1956: It seems obvious there should be limits, but I don't know what those limits should be. I'm sure humans would argue about it forever.
[23:47:48] <Runaway1956> or 16 women
[23:47:40] <Runaway1956> Hell, a dinky little destroyer needs ~300 men
[23:47:06] <Runaway1956> You gotta have about 2000 friends I think, for a rather small battleship
[23:46:39] <chromas> What if I have friends? I don't, but what if I did?
[23:46:16] <Runaway1956> Because you can't crew a battleship.
[23:46:03] <Runaway1956> and, of course, you have to have a crew to serve the weapon.
[23:45:56] <chromas> the navy gets free battleships—why can't we?
[23:45:48] <Runaway1956> You can't have a howitzer unless you belong to a club or something that takes responsibility for it
[23:45:20] <Runaway1956> Of course, crew served weapons will fall into their own category.
[23:44:39] <chromas> We need section 8 machine guns immediately
[23:44:33] <Runaway1956> if the rich can have them, po folks should have them too
[23:44:19] <Runaway1956> If you're rich, you can have machine guns - that's wrong.
[23:44:04] <Runaway1956> I've never quite made my mind up where the limits should be, really.
[23:43:18] <Teckla> Runaway1956: I agree that the "right to bear arms" should not include ICBMs. I was just shooting down (pun not intended) the obviously outrageously foolish idea that people should be able to own whatever arms they want.
[23:42:32] <chromas> 1.21 terrorflops
[23:40:36] <Runaway1956> teraflopped badly I meant to say
[23:40:06] <Runaway1956> Then, there was the arms smuggling op in Mexico that flopped badly
[23:39:45] <Runaway1956> Not sure, I think there was a fact finding mission to Guatemala a few years back, and another to Columbia before that.
[23:39:10] <chromas> are there any others?
[23:39:00] <Runaway1956> Sorry, forgot the entrapment operations.
[23:38:39] <chromas> feds
[23:38:32] <Runaway1956> Who joins the Kook Kids Klub anymore?
[23:37:39] <chromas> AMD is just controlled opposition, like Mozilla and the KKK
[23:36:30] <Runaway1956> Please consider that rant to be six paragraphs long, EF needs his per word income
[23:35:38] * Runaway1956 inserts EF rant about jew scum CPU manufacturing and sucker goyim Intel users
[23:35:04] <chromas> Probably why we're always giving them free moneys and doing their bidding in the middle east
[23:34:54] <Runaway1956> I don't think there is an AMD plant in Israel.
[23:34:39] <Runaway1956> No, just most of them.
[23:34:26] <chromas> We have to trust Israel. They make all our CPUs
[23:34:00] <Runaway1956> If we can trust Israel and Pakistan with nukes, we can trust Bubba.
[23:33:30] <Runaway1956> Teckla - nuclear ICBMs may be going a bit too far. I prefer to limit it to tactical nukes on shorter ranged cruise missiles.
[23:28:04] <chromas> I only need to trust the ones with enough money
[23:26:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Study Explains Why Human Languages Share a Lot of the Same Grammar" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:26:16] <Teckla> You are a very trusting person, to trust all 340 million of your neighbors!
[23:26:14] <t3> =submit https://www.sciencealert.com
[23:25:20] <chromas> The military has them and I trust my neighbor far more than those guys
[23:25:07] <Teckla> What could go wrong? :)
[23:24:43] <chromas> Why not?
[23:23:59] <Teckla> Runaway1956: So... possessing a nuclear-armed ICBM -- a weapon -- should be legal? :)
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[22:28:08] <Runaway1956> I guess I've converted 'Zumi to my way of thinking?
[22:27:22] <Runaway1956> Possessing a weapon should never be illegal - improper USE OF that weapon should be punished severely.
[22:26:52] <Runaway1956> Hey, 'Zumi is making my case for me!
[22:26:39] <t3> crazed murderers doing mass shootings are an aberration that barely shows up statistically, total cucuy
[22:25:39] <t3> people shoot each other because they are desperate, scared, or have few other options than violence to make ends meet
[22:24:29] <AzumaHazuki> thing is, the ones shouting about "MUH ROOTY TOOTY POINT'N'SHOOTY!" the loudest are also the ones who should least be allowed anywhere near them
[22:24:26] <t3> no, psychopaths arent the problem, most gun crime is about economics
[22:23:57] <AzumaHazuki> the US definitely does seem to have a lot more psychopaths than most other developed nations if that's what you mean
[22:22:45] <t3> and does othing at all to fix the underlying problems that cause people to kill
[22:22:04] <t3> gun control only increases the relative lucrativity of gun crime, but does little to reduce supply or demand
[22:21:36] <AzumaHazuki> the constitution says anyone can have any arms they can get their hands on you commie pinko atheist Marxist Jew Muslim Mexican terrorist immigrant spic LIB-RUL
[22:21:02] <AzumaHazuki> pssh, no it's not. any gun control at all is a second amendment violation and it's all because the Demon-crats want to disarm the populace :v
[22:18:20] <requerdanos> gun control is of course a little more complex and nuanced than that.
[22:17:38] <Runaway1956> Gun control is one huge projection: people who would do you harm want to deprive you of the means to do them harm
[22:16:42] <t3> gun control in general is just one boogeyman after another
[22:15:40] <systemd> ^ 03Ghost Guns are a Gun Control Boogeyman
[22:15:38] <Runaway1956> https://www.nssf.org
[22:14:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Coral Reef Cover, Biodiversity, Fish Catches Have Declined by Half Since the 1950s" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:14:15] <t3> =submit https://www.eurekalert.org
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[21:48:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese Astronauts Return to Earth After 90-day Mission - https://sylnt.us - good-health-and-good-spirits
[21:33:01] <Runaway1956> I was suprised to find so many cores idle so much of the time, when I have Folding at Home running
[21:32:35] <Runaway1956> agreed t3, scheduler makes a difference - however, I'm still poking around my new CPUs and learning their capabilities
[21:20:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03How India's Air Pollution is Being Turned Into Floor Tiles" (39p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:20:42] <t3> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[20:37:03] <t3> IIRC, the scheduler you're using makes a big difference in how aggressively cores are throttled
[20:14:48] <Runaway1956> With C-states, I only have to option of enabling or disabling, and I haven't quite decided whether I should disable it
[20:13:42] <Runaway1956> Computer seems a bit more "alive" setting P-state to 1, compared to 4, lol
[20:07:02] <Runaway1956> also had to do some reading on C-states and P-states
[20:06:37] <Runaway1956> Gives a tiny bit more insight into core usage
[20:06:22] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub - cyring/CoreFreq: CoreFreq is a CPU monitoring software designed for the 64-bits Processors.
[20:06:20] <Runaway1956> kinda interesting https://github.com
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[18:50:58] <Bender> karma - t3: 8
[18:50:58] <FatPhil> t3++ wow - very cool!
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[18:45:00] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Hydrophobic Patterns Make Spinning Water Drops (04:24; 376,500 views; 👍24,598 👎186)
[18:44:59] <t3> =yt nzhjBFhEwvg
[18:01:04] <FatPhil> it did, probably does, but I pinned it at an old version because they removed a must-have feature
[18:00:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Arm Amputation Surgery Makes a 'Phantom' Hand Feel Real - STAT" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:00:22] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.statnews.com from the kick-punch-it's-all-in-the-mind dept.
[17:42:13] <Teckla> FatPhil: Does Pale Moon get security updates and such? And in a timely manner?
[17:40:04] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Bullwinkle's Hat Trick 5 (16; 47,278 views; 👍202 👎4)
[17:40:03] <Bytram> =yt this time for sure Bullwinkle
[17:39:29] <Bytram> Took me long enough!
[17:39:06] <Bender> Added quote 1054
[17:39:06] <Bytram> !grab FatPhil
[17:38:35] <Bytram> $gran FatPhil
[17:38:28] <Bytram> @gran FatPhil
[17:38:16] <Bytram> #gran FatPhil
[17:38:07] <Bytram> !gran FatPhil
[17:35:58] <FatPhil> was some kind of mutant duck the size of a therapod
[17:35:24] <systemd> ^ 03Olde Hansa the Medieval Restaurant and Shoppe
[17:35:21] <FatPhil> Just had the special offer duck thing here: https://www.facebook.com and am literally waddling now.
[17:34:35] <FatPhil> Don't mention food
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[17:30:38] <Bytram> meal time. laters!
[17:26:24] <Bytram> You know that. I know that. This is Firefox (derivative) we're talking about. :/
[17:24:47] <FatPhil> a "queue" data structure does exist.
[17:22:10] <Bytram> makes sense. OTOH, I can fully imagine it being coded where that would not be possible -- messages come out like an "alert" path, rather than a sequence of IF-THEN_ELSE statements
[17:14:05] <FatPhil> The idiotic thing is that they didn't realise that the correct way of solving the problem of stacking 15 modal dialog boxes is simply to not stack 15 modal dialog boxes. Don't pop up a newer dialog box until the first one is dismissed. If it was dismissed with a "don't ask me again", then the subsequent ones don't even appear.
[17:11:44] <Bytram> So there's no private(?) variable you can set to override the setting?
[17:10:29] <Bytram> Sp, there
[17:08:58] <systemd> ^ 03469260 - Remove "ask me every time" as an option for cookies
[17:08:57] <FatPhil> Blame these smegholes: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
[17:07:53] <FatPhil> you can pull up the list of all saved settings, and delete it, so you will get asked again, but that's a drag.
[17:07:20] <FatPhil> I concur with the "This is most distressing" person
[17:07:19] <Bytram> FatPhil: So, once you accept it (even by accident) you'd never have a change to change your mind?
[17:07:03] <systemd> ^ 03The "ask me every time" option of the privacy settings, regarding cookies, is gone.
[17:07:02] <FatPhil> e.g. see this discussion here: https://support.mozilla.org
[17:05:11] * Bytram notes that was a weekend afternoon staple on TV as a child
[17:05:05] <FatPhil> "[ ] Don't ask me again" on cookie rejection. (i.e. being able to say "yes, ask me again next time")
[17:04:07] <Bytram> Creature Creature Double Feature ;)
[17:02:58] <requerdanos> what's the missing essential feature?
[17:02:05] <FatPhil> Teckla: because I was happy with firefox until they removed an essential feature, and palemoon was a fork of the pre-feature firefox.
[16:57:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Flying a Helicopter on Mars is Getting "Harder and Harder," NASA Says - https://sylnt.us - here's-hoping
[16:45:38] <Bytram> Woo Hoo! I *think* I can take a screen shot!
[16:41:44] <Bytram> As it so happens, there are a couple pages on Instagram that I would like to download. Having NO luck so far.
[16:39:00] <Bytram> I think I only allow SoylentNews.org and *maybe* a couple others... except when editing stories -- then Private Browsing with NoScript (and selective, manual, temporary is my friend) =)
[16:23:37] <Teckla> I don't use any of those web sites either
[16:20:16] <Bytram> I have an old Android (not C3PO!)... Never installed an app, and I run it with almost everything turned off. =) JavaScript is enabled for only a couple sites. No Facebook, No Instagram, No TikTok!!!
[16:01:08] <Teckla> I prefer Safari on my iPhone and iPad because my adblocker works with those.
[15:48:51] * Bytram uses chrome on mobile
[15:44:02] * Teckla uses Chrome, Firefox, and Mobile Safari.
[15:36:10] * Bytram used to use Pale Moon until I switched to Linux; now I use Firefox
[15:34:41] <Bytram> because it's more... convenient! ;)
[15:33:48] <Teckla> FatPhil: Why did you choose to use Pale Moon instead of one of the mainstream browsers?
[14:33:04] <Bytram> Amy is one of my all-time favorite artists (have been following her since she graduated high school... 10 years ago!) And now she is signed with Warner Music) She's a real sweetheart in person, too. We still keep in touch by txt messages. =)
[14:21:34] <systemd> ^ 03Beeban Kidron v Silicon Valley: one woman’s fight to protect children online
[14:21:33] <chromas> from the waaaaaah dept. https://www.theguardian.com
[14:04:15] <systemd> ^ 03Amy Allen on Instagram: “ur livin in AWW! ❤️‍🔥🦋 getting closer ;) also my setlist for @lifeisbeautiful this weekend may be in here somewhere…”
[14:04:13] <Bytram> Speaking of Spice... https://www.instagram.com
[14:02:06] <chromas> also, the spice makes spae travel possible. travel without moving
[14:01:40] <chromas> If you climb K2, you're gonna have a bad time
[14:01:28] <systemd> ^ 03Study warns synthetic cannabis alternative ‘spice’ has worse withdrawals
[14:01:27] <chromas> https://www.slashgear.com
[13:59:25] <chromas> it's that time again
[13:59:20] <systemd> ^ 03Unicode Standard Version 14 brings users new characters and images
[13:59:19] <chromas> https://www.techspot.com
[13:54:15] <chromas> that's what he said
[13:45:53] <FatPhil> oops, wrong window
[13:24:04] <FatPhil> mart: do not buy https://www.ratebeer.com - Marduk and I had it in Finland, and I accidentally bought a can of it yesterday. I've marked it with your name.
[12:05:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Preparing to Test Thorium Nuclear Reactor - https://sylnt.us
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[10:27:13] <Runaway1956> Yeah, that's 2 feet thick FatPhil - great heat sink
[09:46:09] <FatPhil> I think our walls are at least 60cm thick, so we're lovely and cool in summer
[08:56:34] <Runaway1956> Prestressed panels with a total of 3 inches of concrete and some air space down the center doesn't make a very good heat sink.
[08:55:59] <Runaway1956> the thing about concrete or adobe or rock or brick is - you want it THICK!
[08:55:30] <Runaway1956> t3 - concrete isn't much more expensive if you ask for air
[08:50:55] <chromas> Go from shop to shop, looking to beat up hostesses #BashTheVaxxFash
[08:49:46] <chromas> can't even spoell
[08:49:31] <chromas> Their on an anti-vax tour
[08:48:32] <t3> why would antivaxxer tourists go to NY of all places?
[08:44:12] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Chip Makers to Carmakers: Time to Get Out of the Semiconductor Stone Age" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:44:10] <t3> =submit https://fortune.com
[08:35:59] <systemd> ^ 03Caught On Video: Carmine's Hostess Attacked After Asking Tourists For Proof Of Vaccination
[08:35:58] <FatPhil> https://newyork.cbslocal.com
[08:29:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03CNN - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos" (51p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:29:42] <t3> =submit http://lite.cnn.com
[08:06:38] <t3> I do wonder how it would interact with ice and snow
[08:02:07] <t3> the paint might work well to counteract that
[08:01:00] <t3> concrete doesn't have a great r-value unless it's a special (expensive) mix
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[07:56:55] <chromas> need some of that white paint for the shingles
[07:56:38] <chromas> our house is made out of concrete. still collects the hots
[07:54:11] <chromas> But I don't want to breathe fresh air
[07:53:56] <t3> the excessive airtightness of modern houses is another factor
[07:51:31] <chromas> plus then the hvac industry will give you the big frown
[07:51:05] <chromas> Nah that sounds like work
[07:50:35] <t3> just build houses with proper thick walls that insulate well instead of sticks and fiberglass
[07:47:15] <chromas> White paint could eliminate the need for air conditioning? What about just foil or something?
[07:27:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Generals Planning for a Space War They See as All but Inevitable - https://sylnt.us - Pew!-Pew!-Pew!
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