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[00:00:59] <c0lo> =submit just-don't-snort-it https://www.rollingstone.com
[00:01:02] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Anti-Vaxxers are Now Gargling Iodine to Prevent Covid-19" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[00:12:03] <AzumaHazuki> 0.5% betadine solution works well as a general antiseptic gargle/rinse for dental procedures, so should be fine for general purposes. it won't specifically stop covid though
[00:17:48] <Runaway1956> WTF? People GARGLE with betadine? Then they go to work with orange-stained lips? WTF?
[00:18:44] * Runaway1956 can't imagine gargling anything-adine
[00:32:53] <requerdanos> 0.5% is pretty weak; I would hazard a guess that the people chugging it for covid are missing that detail
[00:39:16] <AzumaHazuki> oh well. think of it as bleach in the gene pool
[00:39:21] * AzumaHazuki is out of fucks to give
[01:37:07] <Runaway1956> https://journalotohns.biomedcentral.com
[01:37:09] <systemd> ^ 03Povidone-iodine solution as SARS-CoV-2 prophylaxis for procedures of the upper aerodigestive tract a theoretical framework
[01:39:52] <Runaway1956> https://betadine.com
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[02:25:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vermont Sues Oil Companies for Allegedly Falsifying Climate Info - https://sylnt.us
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[02:59:43] <c0lo> =submit https://www.axios.com
[02:59:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Al Gore's Climate TRACE Tracking Group Finds Vast Undercounts of Emissions" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:00:03] <c0lo> =submit https://www.france24.com
[03:00:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03France Suspends 3,000 Unvaccinated Health Workers Without Pay" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:02:03] <c0lo> =submit stop-drilling-holes-in-my-ozone https://www.theguardian.com
[03:02:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03‘Larger Than Usual’: This Year’s Ozone Layer Hole Bigger Than Antarctica" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:05:13] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com
[03:05:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Milley Said He Was 'Done With This Shit' After Trump Bible Photo Op: Book" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:05:32] <c0lo> (grin)
[03:06:50] <c0lo> =submit more-professional-than-the-pros https://restofworld.org
[03:06:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Streamers are Beating Traditional Sports Broadcasters at Their Own Game" (31p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[03:08:29] <c0lo> =submit recalls-are-know-to-cause-cancer-in-California https://www.reuters.com
[03:08:31] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03California to Examine Tighter Rules for Recall Elections After Newsom Victory" (33p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:11:33] <c0lo> =submit stone-age-fashion https://www.theguardian.com
[03:11:36] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Scientists Find Evidence of Humans Making Clothes 120,000 Years Ago" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[03:15:37] <c0lo> =submit the-right-to-profot-shall-not-be-infringed https://news.sky.com
[03:15:39] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Fossil Fuel Firms Sue Governments Across the World for £13bn as Climate Policies Threaten Profits" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:17:37] <c0lo> =submit can-i-has-moar-batteries? https://www.theverge.com
[03:17:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Lucid Air is the First Electric Car With a 520-mile EPA-rated Range" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:19:14] <c0lo> =submit https://thehill.com
[03:19:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Supreme Court Job Approval Sinks to All-time Low, Poll Shows" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:21:39] <c0lo> =submit time-to-work-on-7G https://asia.nikkei.com
[03:21:41] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03China Accounts for 40% of 6G Patent Applications: Survey" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:23:50] <c0lo> =submit https://www.jpost.com
[03:23:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Israeli Anti-vaxx Leader Dies of COVID-19" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:24:58] <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[03:25:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Anonymous Leaks Gigabytes of Data From Alt-right Web Host Epik" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[05:05:03] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[05:05:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03California Wildfires Threaten Famous Giant Sequoia Trees" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:05:59] <c0lo> =submit side-effect-of-covid https://apnews.com
[05:06:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Study: Childhood Obesity in U.S. Accelerated During Pandemic" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:06:55] <c0lo> =submit side-effects-of-covid https://apnews.com
[05:06:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pandemic Tie to Vision Issues Seen in Chinese Kids' Study" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:07:34] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[05:07:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Indonesian Court Rules President Negligent Over Pollution" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:16:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Travis CI Flaw Exposed Secrets of Thousands of Open Source Projects - https://sylnt.us
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[06:16:30] <FatPhil> c0lo: you're submitting dupes of stories previously submitted by ... yourself!
[06:19:35] <inz> Repetition is the mother of all learning.
[06:24:43] <FatPhil> so I should scold him again?
[06:25:00] <inz> See, you're learning!
[06:25:41] <FatPhil> I conclude that people who forget the most learn the most
[06:26:29] <FatPhil> Having Alzheimers is great - I get to meet a whole load of new interesting people every day without having to leave the care home.
[06:27:43] <progo> Fatphil you could try trolling c0lo maybe
[06:28:14] <progo> What triggers him?
[06:36:25] <chromas> Marmite
[06:38:07] <progo> Eew
[07:23:12] <c0lo> FatPhil, ... what?
[07:24:08] <c0lo> [Citation needed] please, on dupes.
[07:26:24] <c0lo> chromas, marmite doesn't trigger me, it's sweet, once in a while I might use it as a filling for crêpes. As once in a while I might have a slice of a birthday cake.
[07:26:41] <chromas> You're a traitor to your country
[07:26:53] <chromas> Vegemite only, mister!
[07:29:26] <c0lo> I'd eat bats, if the chinese population of Australia would cook them, chromas. Their better for one's immunity than horse dewormers.
[07:29:52] <c0lo> s/Their/They are/
[07:29:52] <SedBot> <c0lo> I'd eat bats, if the chinese population of Australia would cook them, chromas. They are better for one's immunity than horse dewormers.
[07:30:03] <bacterium> if i can eat chikin, i can eat bats
[07:30:29] <c0lo> If one can eat bats, one can eat pork.
[07:32:13] <bacterium> r we buildin up to human?
[07:32:29] <bacterium> humans done that
[07:34:22] <c0lo> i no building up nuthin
[07:34:41] <chromas> Hope you don't eat oats or water. That's horse food
[07:35:16] <c0lo> I no eat water. I eat only beer.
[07:36:24] <c0lo> And bear stakes (grin)
[07:36:29] <bacterium> beer is food ~ inspector morse
[07:37:06] <c0lo> inspector morse is not food
[07:37:37] <bacterium> what do you mean?
[07:37:45] <bacterium> how is he not?
[07:38:30] <chromas> do those steaks come with the right two bear arms?
[07:38:54] <c0lo> he's virtualy dead. previous virtualy alive. I only eat concrete food (with a sprinkle of pebbles)
[07:39:22] <bacterium> solid
[07:40:44] <c0lo> steaks come only with two left arms. With the right, I'm handling the stake nife.
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[08:07:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 90% of Global Farm Subsidies Damage People and Planet, Says UN - https://sylnt.us
[08:18:11] <chromas> CIA: pikachu-face.png
[08:18:27] <chromas> or what's that one meme with the muppet looking shifty-eyed?
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[08:18:51] <chromas> Awkward Look Monkey Puppet
[08:20:33] <bacterium> shifty: https://www.youtube.com
[08:20:34] <systemd> ^ 03shifty eyed dog
[08:21:05] <chromas> Haven't seen that show in awhile
[08:21:34] <chromas> also, apt response macro
[08:22:29] <bacterium> wha
[08:22:35] <bacterium> macro?
[08:22:54] <chromas> =g image macro
[08:22:55] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Image macro - Wikipedia
[08:24:13] * chromas waits for the response that it's no macro since no text
[08:30:52] <bacterium> dude
[08:31:18] <bacterium> i have nothing bound
[08:31:44] <bacterium> ppl mistake me 4 bot b4
[08:34:41] <chromas> oh, if you didn't click the link, an image macro is just an image with some text—a type of internet memery
[08:35:00] <chromas> not like an alt-F14 type macro
[08:35:10] <chromas> anyway, when's the last time you split?
[08:41:44] <bacterium> split?
[08:41:54] <bacterium> like, divided?
[08:42:06] <bacterium> like, never
[08:42:08] <chromas> oh, sì
[08:43:15] <bacterium> i am very drunk
[08:43:27] <bacterium> i am by the fire
[08:43:43] <bacterium> the fire burns
[09:49:10] <chromas> https://www.prnewswire.com
[09:49:11] <systemd> ^ 03Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro LLP and Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll, PLLC Announce a $181 Million Settlement for Consumers Who Purchased Chicken Products
[09:50:46] <FatPhil> I don't want "chicken products", I want "chicken", and maybe "eggs", anything else sounds worrying.
[09:51:27] <chromas> you don't like wings and breastesses?
[09:52:12] <FatPhil> I do, but I call them "chicken", as they're recognisably chicken.
[09:52:49] <FatPhil> plucking, gutting, decapitation, that's all fine. Just don't "produce" anything.
[09:52:54] <chromas> they're products of the chicken. the chicken worked hard to create those tasty pieces
[09:53:22] <FatPhil> "product" is the catch-all for the dripping grey goo.
[09:53:55] <chromas> it's also a catch-all for eggs, meats and anything else you want
[09:54:23] <chromas> in this case it's actual meat—the industry was caught price fixing, according to the farticle
[09:55:24] <inz> So there's a $181 million settlement sum, divided by probably around 200 million people, you get less than a dollar.
[09:55:29] <inz> Sounds like a win for the lawyers.
[09:55:47] <chromas> only divide by the number of people who actually try to claim it tho
[09:58:50] <c0lo> FatPhil won't claim. He'll just assert.
[10:04:31] <FatPhil> when have I been wrong?
[10:47:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Black Summer Bushfires Triggered Southern Ocean Algal Blooms Bigger Than Australia - ABC News - https://sylnt.us
[10:49:24] <c0lo> FatPhil, I'm not in the habit of counting when other people are wrong, I have enough to do counting mine.
[10:52:11] <c0lo> So, FatPhil, what about that assertion that I repeat myself in submissions?
[11:05:24] <janrinok> https://soylentnews.org
[11:05:25] <systemd> ^ 03Anonymous Claims to Have Stolen Huge Trove of Data From Epik, the Right-Wing’s Favorite Web Host: SoylentNews Submission
[11:05:42] <janrinok> https://soylentnews.org
[11:05:43] <systemd> ^ 03Hackers Steal 'Decade's Worth of Data' From Far-right Webhost Epik: SoylentNews Submission
[11:07:14] <janrinok> I think that at least one of those is yours - but I don't mind. Rather have too many than too few.
[11:08:46] <janrinok> and today: <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[11:08:47] <systemd> ^ 03Anonymous leaks gigabytes of data from alt-right web host Epik
[11:15:46] <c0lo> janrinok, together with https://soylentnews.org
[11:15:48] <systemd> ^ 03Hackers Steal 'Decade's Worth of Data' From Far-right Webhost Epik: SoylentNews Submission
[11:15:53] <c0lo> All mine, yes.
[11:16:51] <c0lo> The latest cited is mangled, so I decide to go with gizodomo (which is an one-liner, not very useful, but at that time it was breaking news).
[11:17:20] <c0lo> Then, janrinok, lets examine a little the story titles:
[11:19:33] <janrinok> yes lets - any in particular? Does every submission have to be published? Are we saving some for the weekend? Do you think that hacking into a right-biassed web server might generate an intelligent conversation that doesn't deteriorate into ANOTHER right/left mud slinging match?
[11:19:35] <c0lo> First, "Anonymous *Claims* to Have Stolen..." and after a few days "Anonymous *leaks* gigabytes of data...". You don't feel it like a story unraveling under your eyes, janrinok?
[11:20:11] <janrinok> has it finished unravelling or will we have to do daily installments?
[11:21:17] <c0lo> I don't want them published, that is for you to decide. I was only asking FatPhil, what is with that assertion that I submitted dupes. The fact you decided to intervene came a surprise to me, but... meh...
[11:22:04] <janrinok> no offence meant, I was just looking at that very page so had the links to hand.
[11:23:45] <c0lo> I don't know if there'll be daily instalments, I took some pleasure in reading today how Epik denied the breach only to have the hackers publishing on Epik's knowledge base page their ironic messages.
[11:25:12] <janrinok> they're not handling it well, that's true
[11:25:41] <c0lo> Not only the Epik was clueless about the breach even after being warned, they were clueless on the fact that after a good amount of time hackers were still in their systems.
[11:26:27] <c0lo> If you think that doesn't qualify for a story, so be it.
[11:27:02] <janrinok> I didn't say that at all.
[11:29:38] <janrinok> I've already processed stories to get us into Saturday. I'm just about to leave for the UK for about 3 weeks (family issues) and yesterday Bytram was unwell. We are processing stories as fast as we can and simple stories that are well written are much quicker than a 4 story merge.
[11:31:29] <janrinok> There are only 2 editors covering 24 hours a day for the last week, one is ill, and I am going to be away. So we are going for the low hanging fruit wherever possible.
[11:35:37] <c0lo> Thanks for the info, if I'll have time, I'll try to submit the stories prechewed.
[11:36:47] <janrinok> it will be appreciated - but preferably not regurgitated too....
[11:37:07] * janrinok grabs a cloth just in case....
[11:37:14] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.thetimes.co.uk
[11:37:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pounds and Ounces Return in Victory for Metric Martyrs" (4p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:38:25] <janrinok> oh no - and it is serious too!
[11:39:10] <chromas> Just redefine pounds and ounces to be metric
[11:39:27] <c0lo> janrinok, that " Childhood Obesity in U.S." should have been merged with "Vision Issues Seen in Chinese Kids". Both of them having the pandemic linked with each.
[11:41:24] <chromas> paywalls--
[11:41:25] <Bender> karma - paywalls: -1
[11:41:26] <FatPhil> they already are secondary metric units, defined as an exact ratio of the core metric units
[11:41:51] <janrinok> well, so do a lot of the other subs but the obesity is not just pandemic. It has been rising for quite a few years. I felt that it might be ignored if the vaxxer/antivaxxers joined in that discussion.
[11:50:23] <chromas> oh yeah
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[12:07:07] <c0lo> You could let it be, chromas, it'd be actual less the 3 months on.
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[13:26:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Home Computing Pioneer Sir Clive Sinclair Dies Aged 81 - https://sylnt.us - RIP
[13:57:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Black Summer Bushfires Triggered Southern Ocean Algal Blooms Bigger Than Australia - https://sylnt.us - phytoplankton-always-up-for-a-phyte
[14:05:09] <c0lo> bent order of bender's notofication. Is crond alright, or does this follow another set of hiccups triggering a crisis in mod point allocation later?
[14:09:28] <FatPhil> Nope, it means that an editor has modified the latter story, for some cosmetic cleanup, for instance.
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[15:42:43] <Runaway1956> You guys are making me feel guilty for not volunteering . . .
[15:43:19] * Runaway1956 volunteers to visit the community college and bring back some help at gunpoint
[15:43:47] <Runaway1956> I'll sweeten the deal, and offer them the same pay you guys all get!
[15:47:19] <FatPhil> Fuck useless fucking banks.
[15:48:01] <FatPhil> How many swearwords is it acceptible to include per line in emails to banks? I'm limitting myself to about 2-3, but wonder if I can beef up the message with a few more.
[15:48:58] <Runaway1956> Longshoremen and sailors would be embarrassed by your feeble attempts to articulate yourself FaPhil.
[15:49:20] <Runaway1956> There should be no limits on your imagination.
[15:49:55] <FatPhil> Wondering if there's anything illegal about saying something like "if I have to come into the bank to do this in person, I will ensure that whoever serves me feels really bad about how shitty the bank is, and no longer wants to work for it"?
[15:50:17] <AzumaHazuki> fewer words with more bang per buck. just threaten legal trouble
[15:50:20] <AzumaHazuki> no need to swear
[15:50:46] <Runaway1956> Just don't include any words that will evoke images of internal organs. That would be terroristic.
[15:51:04] <FatPhil> THey're not doing anything illegal, they're just making the webbank, which is the only interface I should need, less and less usable in my browser.
[15:51:42] <FatPhil> I am now unable to click through something that legally I will need to click through (record keeping laws) - or they will suspend my use of banking facilities.
[15:51:49] <Runaway1956> Don't know your bank, don't know your browser, but I found that spoofing an iThing to do my banking helps tremendously
[15:52:33] <Runaway1956> Actually, I think a Soylentil suggested it to me.
[16:06:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Accounts for 40% of 6G Patent Applications: Survey - https://sylnt.us - time-to-work-on-7G
[16:27:38] <c0lo> FatPhil doesn't want JavaScript in his browser, he just want to swear at the bank who does want as much JS as possible.
[16:29:58] <Runaway1956> Kinda sorta related - has anyone tried OperaGX? https://www.opera.com
[16:30:00] <systemd> ^ 03Opera GX | Gaming Browser | Opera
[16:30:21] <Runaway1956> IMO, it sucks a lot of ass - almost as bad as Microsoft Edge
[16:30:43] <t3> gaming browser? wtf, that's even stupider than gaming phones
[16:32:34] <Runaway1956> I actually installed it in a virtual machine, and it's as bad as you say
[16:33:39] <FatPhil> I do run JS for the bank's website as (a) all their JS is self-hosted, and (b) I have to trust them, they're the fucking bank.
[16:35:18] <t3> does opera roll their own, or are they chromium-based?
[16:35:49] <FatPhil> You're right that I don't *want* to. But we've kinda got a hostage situation here, I agree to it under duress, which isn't actually agreement, it's coercion.
[16:39:59] <t3> I keep a chrome instance just for banking, not much way around it nowadays unless I limit myself to doing everything in-person, which is unrealistic
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[17:32:06] <t3> =submit https://www.smithsonianmag.com
[17:32:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Life-Size Camel Sculptures in Saudi Arabia are Older Than Stonehenge, Pyramids of Giza" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[17:56:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - France Suspends 3,000 Unvaccinated Health Workers Without Pay - https://sylnt.us
[19:10:50] <Teckla> FatPhil: Are you using a niche browser?
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[19:56:46] <FatPhil> Teckla: the last palemoon before they disabled the "(don't) ask me again next time" feature on cookie rejection.
[19:57:17] <FatPhil> That was the feature that when they removed it from firefox caused me to move over to palemoon in the first place.
[19:57:44] <FatPhil> Entropy tells us all software is heading relentlessly in the same direction...
[19:59:12] <chromas> Cats batting it toward the edge of the universe
[20:00:43] <chromas> t3: Cpera's been Chromium since it was sold to China. The original devs left Opera to make their own Chromium browser, as did the JavaScript guy from Mozilla
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[20:45:48] <progo> and firefox is funded 100% by Google, and ALL browser engines answer to Google money
[20:46:19] <progo> the best you can do is any browser that was packaged and compiled by someone who isn't paid by Google
[20:46:54] <progo> such as Vivaldi, by ex opera people and not free software. or Ungoogled Chromium. or Edge (if you swing that way). or Waterfox
[20:48:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Find Evidence of Humans Making Clothes 120,000 Years Ago - https://sylnt.us - stone-age-fashion
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[22:15:59] <FatPhil> =yt FumcThYPCws
[22:15:59] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Finnish Matrix (55; 15,309 views; 👍2,251 👎5)
[22:16:29] <FatPhil> technically, it would have been funnier if they had both been pils.
[22:24:23] <requerdanos> I am pretty sure Vivaldi (chromium), Edge (chromium), Ungoogled Chromium (chromium), and Waterfox (firefox funded by google) are not very big steps away from Google.
[22:26:33] <bacterium> it is not clear to me who (if anyone) determines the de facto web standard, which the browsers are then expected to implement, or be dismissed as niche
[22:27:44] <chromas> the browser vendors do, by way of whatwg
[22:36:28] <requerdanos> if you do step away from google in your browser choice, the farther you go, the fewer sites load and render.
[22:38:57] <AzumaHazuki> the internet's decaying you know
[22:45:06] <requerdanos> Fortunately the decay is slow, almost manageably so
[22:45:53] <requerdanos> internet explorer [3,4] was the bad-standard-setter before, but now it's chrome. I use firefox as my primary browser because it's the most functional free non-chrome browser out there.
[22:50:19] <FatPhil> there are plenty of sites now which, even with all the JS-buttrape protection disabled, fail to cause anything useful to be rendered now. I'm wondering when "fuck backward compatibility, everything must be the latest" became the mantra du jour.
[22:51:55] <FatPhil> Most URLs aren't URLs any more, as they do not specify the location of a resource. They specify a program which, through the flapping of enough butterflies' wings, will eventually cause a resource to be presented to you.
[22:54:14] <requerdanos> That's not a bad analysis.
[23:01:07] <AzumaHazuki> like i said, the 'net's rotting. this was inevitable as soon as the greedheads got their hands on it
[23:01:45] <AzumaHazuki> their all-consuming, half-unthinking greed pozzed it to death. they want a small, splintered, controllable, perpetually rent-collecting walled garden
[23:04:56] <bacterium> FatPhil++
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[23:05:02] <bacterium> satan++
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[23:05:05] <bacterium> beer++
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[23:05:40] <requerdanos> while greedy so and so's want a rent collecting walled garden, you could get that with simple cgi or inline php/perl/whatever; it doesn't explain the javascript nightmare some sites have become.
[23:06:45] <t3> that's caused by not wanting to pay for competence or experience
[23:08:25] <bacterium> mmmm yeah the overuse of javascript can mostly be explained by the lemming effect among the rank-and-file web developers
[23:09:15] <t3> anybody can slap a few mb of node.bs together with the help of stackoverflow
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