#soylent | Logs for 2021-09-12

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[00:00:49] <c0lo> "Apple Warns Against Mounting iPhones to Motorcycles" ummm... use artificial insemnation then?
[00:01:10] <Bytram> lol
[00:02:20] <c0lo> =submit from-the-horse's-mouth https://support.apple.com
[00:02:22] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Exposure to Vibrations, Like Those Generated by High-powered Motorcycle Engines, Might Impact iPhone" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:07:36] <c0lo> =submit https://www.cnbc.com
[00:07:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03UK Government Terminates One of its Data-sharing Contracts With Palantir" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:08:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - European Commission's Study on Open Source Software - https://sylnt.us - freedom
[00:08:10] <Bytram> =submit https://support.apple.com
[00:08:12] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Exposure to Vibrations, Like Those Generated by High-powered Motorcycle Engines, Might Impact iPhone" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:08:51] <Bytram> ^^^ that's the official Apple announcement
[00:09:43] <c0lo> I don't see any difference in the urls me and you submitted.
[00:11:12] <c0lo> and systemd lost its abolity to detect duped subs?
[00:11:24] <c0lo> s/abol/abil/
[00:11:24] <SedBot> <c0lo> and systemd lost its ability to detect duped subs?
[00:24:01] <Bytram> c0lo: I saw you submit from engaget and mashable; I subbed from support.apple.com -- different URLs
[00:28:43] <requerdanos> <c0lo> =submit from-the-horse's-mouth https://support.apple.com
[00:31:01] <Bytram> requerdanos: I think that's the same link that I submitted?
[00:31:22] <requerdanos> mmm hmm
[00:32:15] <Bytram> mmm mmm good? Sounds like a Campbel's soup commercial?! ;)
[00:32:34] <requerdanos> soup is good food, but not with an apple device on a motorcycle
[00:32:57] <Bytram> that could get... messy!~
[00:38:58] <c0lo> bytram, look at the chronology of submissions. And blame chromas for systemd no longer detecting dupes.
[00:40:07] <Bytram> why would different URLs be dupes?
[00:40:38] <Bytram> >>> c0lo: I saw you submit from engaget and mashable; I subbed from support.apple.com -- different URLs
[00:41:08] <requerdanos> you both submitted the same url
[00:41:50] <Bytram> Oh? Oh. Hmmmm.
[00:43:05] <Bytram> yep, NOW I see it! My bad!!!
[00:45:45] <Bytram> requerdanos++ thank you
[00:45:45] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 42
[00:45:56] <requerdanos> :)
[00:52:36] <c0lo> #blame
[00:52:49] <c0lo> =blame
[00:52:50] * systemd points at Bytram
[00:53:01] <Bytram> LOL!
[00:53:35] <c0lo> =blame systemd
[00:53:35] * systemd points at c0lo
[00:54:19] <c0lo> =blame chromas for systemd
[00:54:19] * systemd points at c0lo
[00:54:37] <c0lo> =blame chromas
[00:54:37] * systemd points at c0lo
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[04:28:20] <c0lo> =submit did-texas-fixed-their-grid-yet? https://www.severe-weather.eu
[04:28:24] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Stratospheric Polar Vortex Returns for Winter 2021/2022, Together With a Strong Easterly Wind Anomal" (99p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:29:41] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[04:29:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Facebook Reportedly Provided Inaccurate Data to Misinformation Researchers" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:32:52] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[04:32:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03California Moves to Return Beach Seized From Black Couple" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:36:43] <c0lo> =submit https://www.cnbc.com
[04:36:47] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Facebook to Buy $100 Million Worth of Unpaid Invoices From 30,000 Small Businesses Owned by Women an" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:38:45] <c0lo> =submit https://newatlas.com
[04:39:55] <c0lo> =submit https://solarteameindhoven.nl
[04:39:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Solar Team Eindhoven — Transitioning to a Future Powered by the Sun" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:55:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Single Laser Fired Through a Keyhole Can Expose Everything Inside a Room - https://sylnt.us - what's-in-your-closet?
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[05:30:56] <aristarchus> Wow! Takes me ninety five trys to get around the Soylent geoblock? And the dronebl which is meant to keep all anonymous comments off of the Soylent IRC.
[05:31:26] <aristarchus> Happy 9-11, everybody
[05:37:14] <aristarchus> And, of course, The aristarchus is being mod-bombed again. Not that the Admins would be concerned with justice concerning the aristarchus. #Freearisarchus!!!!
[05:39:34] <AzumaHazuki> you invite some of this you know
[05:39:54] <AzumaHazuki> it's still not right but you engaged in modbombing, sockpuppeting, and probably AC shitposting yourself
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[05:49:42] <aristarchus> If you had been subject to the machinations of TMB, who has my submissions dismissed as painting the Alt-right too broadly, and then mod-banning me for being too far left, and not, the admins having no idea why I was mod-banned in the first place? I have plenty of reason to not be concerned about my reputation on this site. And of course, I have lot os support, when the mod-bombing sockpuppets of the Alt-right are tamped down.
[05:55:27] <aristarchus> I have been disappointed in the past, when you refused to support me, Hazuki-chan. Perhaps now, you will see the truth.
[05:56:37] <AzumaHazuki> i work alone. i always have. if it's gotten this bad, aristarchus, there are ways to make the site's life a living legal Hell
[05:58:07] <AzumaHazuki> also, i would have been a lot more inclined to support you more if you did what i did and just posted as ONLY yourself, no ACs
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[06:23:25] <aristarchus> If I posted in my nick, I would have been modded down purely on the basis of my username, which is not legit. AC has its uses. You could benefit from using it once in a while
[06:30:07] <aristarchus> =submit
[06:30:08] <systemd> Submit one or more links plus some text if you want
[06:30:31] <aristarchus> =submit Alt-right Taliban https://eu.usatoday.com
[06:30:34] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03George W. Bush Compares Violent Domestic Extremists to 9/11 Terrorists" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:36:31] <aristarchus> Of course, today, I am mod-bombed just like days of yore, 12 down-mods, for you good reason, and not at all typical, unless someone has got his reserve mod-bombing sockpuppets up and on-line!
[06:43:14] <AzumaHazuki> if it's all going to hell and you think it's completely irredeemable, take what legal measures you desire to bring SN down. I don't care one way or another
[06:47:57] <aristarchus> No, there are plenty here who are worth discussing the news of the day with. It is just the censorship that we need to oppose. Of course, it seems that the new team of janrinock and FatPhil are irredemable, and probably incorrigable, possibily deplorable, in the British sense, of course.
[06:49:18] <AzumaHazuki> well, i don't see a solution then
[06:49:39] <AzumaHazuki> and you kind of did make yourself a huge target with the constant trolling and socking
[06:50:20] <AzumaHazuki> my way is painful, and it means i have no force multiplier or other way to cheat the system, but i'm still here and i'm sure the admins appreciate the lack of backend cleanup they have to do for me
[06:54:24] <aristarchus> Yes , of course I made my self a target! I am a philosopher! That is what we have always been. One of my students just straight up said, "Socrates was a Troll!".
[06:54:54] <AzumaHazuki> you're kind of missing the point
[06:55:30] <aristarchus> Yes, explain the point, I am listening.
[06:56:08] <AzumaHazuki> humans are only human, and you can't really expect the admin team to be evenhanded when you've, frankly, been fucking around with the system and willfully breaking rules
[06:56:15] <AzumaHazuki> it's wrong of them, but not surprising
[06:59:29] <aristarchus> Only in response to attempts to censor aristarchus! Mostly in opposition to the alt-right TMB.
[07:00:09] <AzumaHazuki> Buzztard isn't capable of focusing long enough even to qualify as alt-right. his poor ADHD-pozzed thinkmeats don't extend beyond wallowing in his own base instincts
[07:00:21] <AzumaHazuki> he's basically a bipedal pig with some talent with power tools
[07:02:54] <aristarchus> But he did intervene, some years ago, to block an aristarchus submission, because it painte him, an all the alt-right, with too broad a brush. That is what started the aristarchus campaign. Choose your side.
[07:03:25] <AzumaHazuki> between the two of them, yours, of course. but i'd be fine with SN just vanishing off the face of the planet too. i'll stay while it's still livable
[07:04:57] <aristarchus> I had hope, when we Bucked Feta! And I still have some hope. This is one of the few places where you can get slapped down, no matter what side you are on!
[07:05:39] <AzumaHazuki> you've kind of made yourself persona non grata, and the admins are only human. they won't hold themselves to their own standards if they don't feel like it
[07:06:27] <AzumaHazuki> so you have few options. hope for slow incremental change, get the feds involved (runaway's post history would be good for this), or do something illegal like doxing someone (not recommended)
[07:11:41] <aristarchus> oh, don't be so serious! This is like the down-mod controversy! People get downmodded, because they are conservative idiots? Deal with it. I get downmodded, by those conservative idiots? Expected. But the point is, stupidty is it's own refutation, even if it does not realize it.
[07:12:07] <AzumaHazuki> thing is, enough stupid can wreck a nation, or a planet
[07:14:39] <AzumaHazuki> you don't want to think about this, but civilization as we know it is over. the US is already collapsing, and thank God it's relatively slow
[07:17:10] <aristarchus> You forget who you are talking to. I resist taking the position of your father, because it is more likely that I could be your great-great-great-great (add a couple) father, but hear this, your generation is sitting on the cusp of a major change. You will solve Climate change, and your generation will end racism and colonialism, against all the retrograde conservatives. So have hope,. I believe in you, and I am close to 2400 years old.
[07:18:57] <aristarchus> Oh, crap, you don't think janrinok will read this, do you?
[07:27:21] <AzumaHazuki> of course he will, that's why i said it in public
[07:29:15] <aristarchus> So he knows who I am, even if I post AC, and knows when I am sleeping, and knows when I'm awake, so I have to be good, for goodness sake?
[07:36:21] <aristarchus> Poor janrinok! I really respect him, but he does seem to be a little slow on the political stuff. Kind of like the novel " Remains of the Day".
[07:50:47] <aristarchus> And besides, NCommander may pull the plug on the whole thing, if they keep up this alt-right misogynist stuff.
[07:57:16] <aristarchus> Soylentil Admins and Eds and Staff, think about this, and revoke the spam mod in my journal. Whatever AC posted that does not deserve it.
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[08:47:17] <chromas> one retard washes the other
[09:16:26] <FatPhil> damn, missed it
[09:16:55] <FatPhil> because the only response to "I am a philosopher!" is "No, Ari, you're a twat". Why did noone make it?
[09:17:26] <chromas> peter noon wasn't here at the time
[09:17:28] <chromas> noone
[09:17:39] <chromas> dangit I ruieened my own dumb joke
[09:20:58] <FatPhil> How fucking stupid does Ari think the world is?
[09:21:29] <FatPhil> "revoke the spam mod in my journal. Whatever AC posted that does not deserve it." - he was that AC!
[09:22:03] <chromas> Would be funny if he was the modder as well
[09:22:11] <FatPhil> not just that, but he followed up to himself as another AC pretending to be a different person: https://soylentnews.org
[09:22:12] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | How to Persuade Americans to Give Up Their Guns ( https://soylentnews.org )
[09:23:14] <chromas> now he'll cum running in "teacher teacher! he's spilling all my secrets!"
[09:25:31] <FatPhil> Then again, he does have a history of having AC exchanges with himself that goes back years. I think we even agreed at the time that if all he's doing is having a conversion with himself, it could qualify for a "spam" mod. I don't think that was ever enforced, as we have better things to do than waste time on Ari.
[09:28:31] <FatPhil> Spilling *evidence*. That's what Ari specifically asked for. Many times.
[09:29:12] <chromas> true
[09:29:54] <chromas> hm, octoprint says my 3d printer has buggy firmware that can cause failed prints. it's the only software to have any sort of problem so far
[09:30:30] <FatPhil> I love his current sig. He thinks he's clever by repeating something I posted in a public channel with public logs as if he's revealing some secret.
[09:31:19] <FatPhil> Maybe he doesn't understand why I chose that channel to say things in. I think there's a lot he doesn't understand.
[09:31:19] <chromas> FatPhil: s/.*?\. (*?) b/
[09:31:22] <chromas> dangit
[09:32:26] * FatPhil gives chromas at least another '/'
[09:32:44] <chromas> yeah, I missed both in time and correctness
[09:33:01] * chromas dips into Zuzi's pill stash
[09:37:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Good News for Tuna as They Bounce Back From the Brink of Extinction - https://sylnt.us - sushi-news
[09:44:39] <chromas> my computer's jacking off
[09:45:06] <chromas> programs keep locking up, like say, when deleting an email or downloading a firmware update for printer
[09:45:27] <chromas> nothing in dmesg, but firefox and vlc are taking turns pinning a core
[09:58:19] <FatPhil> I slowed down a vid to ~12% speed the other day - whole computer locked up, needing a power-switch reboot. PCs and linux are shit.
[10:00:19] <FatPhil> then again, firefox was capable of locking up my powermac when it ran osx, and that was supposed to be microkernel based, and never have userspace be able to interfere with the system as a whole.
[10:03:24] <chromas> never could get firefox to download the firmware
[10:03:39] <chromas> wget got it instantly.
[10:04:08] <chromas> firefox didn't do an actual timeout error, it just sat like it was connecting then just kinda quit
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[13:31:35] <c0lo> FatPhil >is "No, Ari, you're a twat". Why did noone make it?< because it doesn't worth it. His kink, old dogs-new tricks and so on.
[13:34:22] <c0lo> =submit https://edition.cnn.com
[13:34:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Hard Reality of Brexit is Hitting Britain. It's Costing Everyone but Boris Johnson" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:34:54] <dx3bydt3> Does anyone know if linode terms of service disallow use as a proxy? I recall seeing something to that effect in the digital ocean TOS.
[13:34:55] <c0lo> Damn'd if you do, damn'd if you don't... as in...
[13:36:01] <c0lo> "that many of the seasonal workers, who would come from countries like Romania and Bulgaria for a few months to harvest vegetables, are now in short supply... some came, made a lot of money, and went home earlier than planned."
[13:37:48] <c0lo> =submit lol dept https://www.techdirt.com
[13:37:51] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Brazilian President Bans Social Media Companies From Removing Disinformation & Abuse;" (32p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:39:04] <c0lo> =submit green-new-deal-in-progress https://www.npr.org
[13:39:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Biden Declassifies Secret FBI Report Detailing Saudi Nationals' Connections to 9/11" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:41:18] <c0lo> =submit grand-fiesta-next-week https://www.theguardian.com
[13:41:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Top Security Officials to Reinstall Capitol Fence Ahead of Far-right Rally" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:43:21] <c0lo> =submit here-comes-the-third-one https://asia.nikkei.com
[13:43:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Taliban Rolls Out Red Carpet to China's Belt and Road Initiative" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:45:07] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[13:45:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Toyota, Honda Oppose U.S. House Electric Vehicle Tax Plan" (28p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:45:36] <Teckla> Any Chromebook users here? Just wondering how up-to-date its Linux and software repositories are.
[13:59:41] <c0lo> =submit panic https://www.gov.uk
[13:59:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Government Takes Further Action to Tackle HGV Driver Shortage" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:01:43] <c0lo> =submit what-about-seasonal-workers https://www.gov.uk
[14:01:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Fast-track Routes for Gifted Stars to Come to the UK" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:06:05] <c0lo> =submit https://english.tau.ac.il
[14:06:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03TAU Team Reverses Early Signs of Alzheimer's" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:07:47] <c0lo> =submit ethanol-fueleds-rejoice https://www.bnl.gov
[14:07:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Catalyst Study Advances Carbon-Dioxide-to-Ethanol Conversion" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[14:10:12] <t3> =submit https://drewdevault.com
[14:10:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Visurf, a Web Browser Based on NetSurf" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[14:11:56] <c0lo> =submit https://www.livemint.com
[14:11:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Moderna’s Covid Vaccine More Effective Against Delta Variant Than Pfizer, J&J" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:15:18] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1001/jamahealthforum.2021.2333 whinging-junkie-whityes https://newsroom.ucla.edu
[14:15:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Do Doctors Treat Pain Differently Based on Their Patients’ Race?" (24p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:18:49] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1038/s41467-021-25612-5 sweet-batteries https://www.monash.edu
[14:18:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Spoonful of Sugar Opens a Path to Longer Lasting Lithium Sulfur Batteries" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:26:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Model S Plaid Sets the Production EV Nürburgring Track Record at 7:35.579 - https://sylnt.us - Whhhhrrrrrr!
[14:33:00] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1038/s41598-021-97658-w not-a-horse-deworner https://www.ajc.com
[14:33:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03UGA Study Finds Gout Treatment Drug Could Help COVID-19 Patients" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:37:01] <c0lo> =submit everything-slide-smoother-with-lube https://english.cas.cn
[14:37:08] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Liquid-infused Slippery Surface Performs Better Than Superhydrophobic Surface in Long-term Corrosion" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:41:50] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1126/science.abc2794 https://uwaterloo.ca
[14:41:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Groundbreaking Technique Yields Important New Details on Possible ‘Fifth Force’" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:42:28] * FatPhil salutes the playing of the Australian national anthem
[14:47:18] <FatPhil> double shoey!
[15:13:32] <c0lo> =submit oh well the dishwasher broke a while ago https://news.curtin.edu.au
[15:13:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Not Even a Global Pandemic Can Stop Poor Hand Hygiene, Curtin Study Finds - News and Events" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:15:05] <c0lo> FatPhil, was Ricciardo *that* thirsty or what?
[15:17:43] <c0lo> =submit 3d-printing-makes-wonders https://news.arizona.edu
[15:17:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Researchers Enlist Robot Swarms to Mine Lunar Resources" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:22:22] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1103/PhysRevD.104.066012 https://www.sussex.ac.uk
[15:22:27] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Physicists Discover Black Holes Exert a Pressure in Serendipitous Scientific First" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:25:01] <c0lo> =submit whew-I-was-really-worried https://www.anu.edu.au
[15:25:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03No Evidence of Airborne COVID Transmission in Public Loos" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:28:00] <c0lo> =submit https://www.colorado.edu
[15:28:03] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Don’t Throw That Cloth Mask Away Yet" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:33:56] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1126/science.abh3857 https://news.stanford.edu
[15:34:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Stanford Scientists Solve Mystery of Icy Plumes That May Foretell Deadly Supercell Storms" (29p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:42:00] <c0lo> =submiy doi-10.1016/j.joule.2021.08.004 https://www.sciencedaily.com
[15:42:20] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1016/j.joule.2021.08.004 https://www.sciencedaily.com
[15:42:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Extreme Heat Exchanger Created Using Metal 3D Printing" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[17:18:07] <FatPhil> c0lo: the 2nd shoe was for his teammate, and they topped up again for the team principal too (shoe #1 was jetisonned into the crowd)
[17:18:41] <FatPhil> Very disappointed to not see David Coulthard join in, as I think last time Danny Ric won, DC took part.
[17:19:16] <FatPhil> In the pub I swear we were fans of at least 4 different drivers, but we were all cheering for the shoey.
[18:07:47] <Runaway1956> https://soylentnews.org
[18:07:48] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | How to Persuade Americans to Give Up Their Guns ( https://soylentnews.org )
[18:08:05] <Runaway1956> fek aristarchurasssss
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[18:13:06] <requerdanos> Boy it's tempting to mod this up +1 insightful: "I, at least, realize that is an objective fact that a website called "the truth about guns" is not reliable. And you are correct, when the only reply you can muster to my factual observations is name-calling and insults, you have lost it, Runaway. "
[18:14:30] <AzumaHazuki> so why not mod it up?
[18:15:19] <requerdanos> a good question, let's see if I can explain; the general tenor of the posts in the article seems more negative than positive and I hate to throw positive mod points into something like that sometimes.
[18:15:30] <requerdanos> s/article/journal entry/
[18:15:30] <SedBot> <requerdanos> a good question, let's see if I can explain; the general tenor of the posts in the journal entry seems more negative than positive and I hate to throw positive mod points into something like that sometimes.
[18:18:30] <AzumaHazuki> that's honorable, but your opponents are not, and there is no such thing as neutrality when you are facing someone who wants to wipe you off the face of the planet
[18:19:50] <requerdanos> I have no opponents in this discussion thread; there are opinions I respect and opinions I disdain, but that's about as far as it goes.
[18:21:34] <AzumaHazuki> some of the ones holding opinions you dislike want you dead because of how you think
[18:21:37] <AzumaHazuki> do you understand that?
[18:21:39] <FatPhil> this is a very easy debate to settle
[18:21:52] <FatPhil> "You're a fekkin retard, ari" +1 insiteful
[18:22:20] <requerdanos> I understand that there are those with a velleity to want me to predecease them, yes.
[18:22:39] <AzumaHazuki> and do you understand that the only thing preventing them is inability and laziness? not even the law?
[18:23:00] <c0lo> FatPhil: s/insite/incite/
[18:23:00] <SedBot> <c0lo> <FatPhil> "You're a fekkin retard, ari" +1 inciteful
[18:23:05] <AzumaHazuki> the "culture war" types are dead serious, mostly about the second word
[18:23:09] <requerdanos> That they can't be troubled to act upon the wish, yes.
[18:23:41] <FatPhil> c0lo: I have fuzzy eyes presently (sauna night) and I backspaced over that about 5 times, and eventuyally got bored
[18:24:14] <AzumaHazuki> yes, but there are less risky and easier things they can do, and the internet is a force multiplier for crazy. memetic plagues spread and end up being a form of stochastic terrorism
[18:24:19] <FatPhil> I did start with 'sight', and then realised I could make a pun.
[18:24:50] <requerdanos> that's a pretty mild form of terrorism, I must say
[18:25:05] <FatPhil> a repeat of: 12:17 <+someone> dangit I ruieened my own dumb joke
[18:25:52] <requerdanos> I despise the misleading/false memetic plague as well as the next intelligent person, but have not decided what it's best to do about it other than to affirm the truth wherever it intersects with my life.
[18:26:13] <FatPhil> debunk bunk
[18:26:30] <requerdanos> not even debunkery, I don't think, just the affirmation of the truth.
[18:27:06] <requerdanos> not that I don't love to see a good debunking
[18:27:23] <FatPhil> and remember to debunk bunk both all angles
[18:27:29] <FatPhil> wow
[18:27:38] <requerdanos> sure, until the bunk is trimmed away
[18:27:39] <FatPhil> s/both/from/
[18:27:52] <c0lo> FatPhil, re shoey, I gotta try it someday. Problem is throwing it into the crowd. See, me boots still have some 3-4 years of life ahead and I hate to throw a good shoe. So I'll need to age tat champagne a bit more
[18:27:52] <FatPhil> You'll never get through all the bunk
[18:28:58] <requerdanos> if bunk could be sold for a dollar a ton, one could make a great living just off one or two discussion websites picked practically at random
[18:29:59] <requerdanos> an article titled "Today's Lame Troll: Convincing Everyone To Give Up Their Guns Using Spurious Arguments" might not be a bad place to start on that sort of income
[18:30:35] <FatPhil> c0lo: I've done a bit of carting, and have been podium every time, but alas they never give you actual shampoo at the end, as it would make more of a mess than oil and smell more than petrol. Or something. I've had a rib injury that took me to hospital 4am the next morning from carting. Enough booze was clearly supplied at the time.
[18:31:08] <AzumaHazuki> look, entropy is always going to favor the con artists. it's easy to shitflood. it's hard to clean up the shitstains
[18:31:21] <AzumaHazuki> they KNOW this, and they laugh at people who try
[18:31:30] <requerdanos> hence simply affirming the truth as a strategy, rather than playing their game
[18:31:38] <FatPhil> Sunlight
[18:31:48] <AzumaHazuki> except it doesn't scale, that's my point
[18:32:05] <requerdanos> well, it doesn't scale well. It would need widespread adoption for that.
[18:32:17] <AzumaHazuki> and most of the good posters have long since been driven off
[18:32:24] <AzumaHazuki> SN is immunocompromised
[18:32:49] <FatPhil> Nope, it's just a cheese with blue and red fluffy bits growing on it
[18:33:03] <AzumaHazuki> yes, well, no one appears willing to cut those bits off
[18:33:06] <FatPhil> the holes are fantastic!
[18:33:07] <requerdanos> a good poster is not, in my opinion, "one who agrees with me" -- rather, one who participates and contributes even if I disagree with them.
[18:33:20] <AzumaHazuki> i have a proposal: out all the sockpuppeters. have a "hall of shame" detailing who, what evidence, and the names of their accounts
[18:33:36] <AzumaHazuki> sunlight IS a good disinfectant. these people are not playing by the rules. get meta on them.
[18:34:04] <Runaway1956> Someone tell 'Zumi that ari has no shame - a hall of shame would do him no good at all
[18:34:10] <requerdanos> that can be in the other room with the building housing the "kill anon posting" and "require additional IRC verfication" displays, yes?
[18:34:16] <FatPhil> I've upmodded khallow at least once in the last week even though I fundamentally disagree with his axioms. But those particular posts were on point, and I don't bear grudges.
[18:34:45] <AzumaHazuki> hell, I upmodded Runaway1956 the other day
[18:35:22] <AzumaHazuki> and requerdanos, no, but both of THOSE can come into THIS building. Look, are you familiar with the difference between r-type and K-type reproductive strategies?
[18:35:55] <AzumaHazuki> shitposters and propagandists are r-selected. good thoughtful posts are K-selected. when we have a venue where all posts have roughly the same impact, r-selection is unnaturally effective
[18:36:12] <requerdanos> if you mean quantity vs quality, sure
[18:36:26] <AzumaHazuki> so if you want to stop the shitflooding, do things to shift the burden of posting such that posting itself becomes more of a K-type strategy
[18:36:32] <AzumaHazuki> i.e., make it take effort
[18:38:29] <AzumaHazuki> i've also noticed that people eventually listen to me, even if it takes a few years. this suggests i know what i'm talking about...
[18:38:37] <requerdanos> I wouldn't mind less junk posted to our existing site, but your suggestions would make it a different type of site entirely imo, less given to a free and easy exchange of ideas which is the explanation of the relatively high participation in such an obscure site.
[18:39:49] <janrinok> regarding Runaway's claim. That is not what happened. His puppets weren't only created a few weeks ago. If he is claiming that this was all his effort then he is both wrong and deluded. Making a claim such as this is stupid - and we don't have a moderation for that.
[18:40:52] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos, step one is making there be consequences for abusing the system. out the shitposters and sockpuppeteers
[18:40:52] <requerdanos> A -1, Stupid mod would be super-popular lol
[18:41:10] <AzumaHazuki> if that doesn't work, then step 2 is disabling AC posting entirely
[18:41:27] <requerdanos> public discussion is hardly appropriate "consequences" compared to permanent bans and moderation bans, the current approach
[18:41:37] <janrinok> It has NOTHING at all with posting as AC. ACs don't moderate.
[18:42:00] <requerdanos> "Get in line or I will talk mean about you" is a 'Trump' strategy, not a 'responsible intelligent person' strategy
[18:42:49] -!- inky [inky!~inky@blx-xqgb-27.svea.net] has joined #soylent
[18:44:34] * Runaway1956 laughs @ janrinok
[18:46:17] <AzumaHazuki> jesus, you people are hopeless. going high when they go low just gets you rabbit punched, do you understand?
[18:46:47] <requerdanos> going low when others go low makes you part of the problem, also could use a few more folks in the "understand" column.
[18:46:52] <AzumaHazuki> and i don't just mean modbombers here, I mean "this asshole has one registered account and uses these 6 IP hashes to post AC and make it look like he has more support than he does"
[18:47:06] <AzumaHazuki> you don't have to GO low, you have to BLOCK low
[18:47:15] <AzumaHazuki> and make it painful for them to go low
[18:47:59] <Runaway1956> [09/12/21 01:43:14] <AzumaHazuki> if it's all going to hell and you think it's completely irredeemable, take what legal measures you desire to bring SN down. I don't care one way or another
[18:48:03] <requerdanos> and talking mean about people blocks them?
[18:48:14] <requerdanos> I am not following your line of reasoning,.
[18:48:44] <AzumaHazuki> make it more painful to be an asshole and make it take actual effort with some skin in the game to post
[18:50:05] <AzumaHazuki> as for "talking mean," where did I say that? I said expose the sockpuppeteers and modbombers. just let us all know who they are and what they're doing, is all. that's not "mean."
[18:50:46] <janrinok> So you would have us compromise all privacy just so that you can see who is doing what?
[18:50:58] <Runaway1956> Just doxx everyone, she says
[18:51:11] <Runaway1956> at least aristarchus only wants to doxx me
[18:51:27] <AzumaHazuki> no, just the privacy of the people who willfully abuse the system
[18:51:47] <janrinok> Runaway1956 - Ari didn't know who he wanted to dox. And you are being stupid now. IMO.
[18:51:48] <requerdanos> I must say, I am for keeping people's privacy, and don't regard breaching privacy to be an appropriate measure to carry out.
[18:51:51] <AzumaHazuki> in the real world, people who willfully abuse the system, let's take drunk drivers for example, pay the price
[18:52:18] <janrinok> They do that in court - we are not in court
[18:52:20] <requerdanos> interesting, drunk drivers was also invoked in the anti-gun argument.
[18:52:39] <AzumaHazuki> some people also should not own firearms, and in fact we already have laws stating as much
[18:53:10] <AzumaHazuki> i cannot believe i have to explain these things
[18:53:28] <Runaway1956> janrinok - have you missed all the posts in which ari claims to know who I am, where I live, and that he is going to call the sheriff to have me SWATTed?
[18:53:37] <requerdanos> regardless, the character of the site is such that it's easy to post, encouraging free ideas, and we respect privacy as we would want our own privacy respected. Banning someone's account is already pretty final, "also talking about them" seems pretty superfluous
[18:53:41] <janrinok> If we make one 'revelation' that subsequently proves to be inaccurate then we are no better than those you are criticising.
[18:53:59] <requerdanos> And in the silly journal entry, drunk drivers were compared to all gun owners, not jsut certain ones.
[18:54:11] <janrinok> Runaway - not I haven't. And nothing you are saying here will change what he has already said either.
[18:54:46] <Runaway1956> Correct - but . . .
[18:55:33] <janrinok> If he does something to break the law - not just talk about it - then by all means string him up or whatever they do in your particular state.
[18:55:38] <AzumaHazuki> oh, you've banned peoples' accounts?
[18:56:20] <janrinok> God, you can be very slow sometimes Azuma - we have banned several accounts totally
[18:57:06] <requerdanos> it is policy to ban sockpuppet accounts -- but not to talk (mean) about them, nor to reveal which ones, which does not add anything to the ban but does violate the spirit of respecting privacy
[18:57:47] <requerdanos> We don't throw a "let's talk about that person" party. It's not a thing, and it's not going to be a thing. Thank you for your suggestion and all, but no.
[18:57:56] <janrinok> You only knew about certain bans because somebody decided he wanted to go public.
[18:59:40] <AzumaHazuki> so, question... is https://soylentnews.org ari talking to himself?
[18:59:41] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | How to Persuade Americans to Give Up Their Guns ( https://soylentnews.org )
[18:59:47] <janrinok> I'm not going to go into numbers because then you will spend all your time trying to work out which ones and ensuring that you can account for each one. Therein lies the road to dividing the community, not uniting it.
[19:00:22] <AzumaHazuki> ...the community divided itself, idiot! do you eally not understand how some of these people work?!
[19:01:44] <janrinok> The division started quite a few years ago when one idiot in particular started trying to get his political posts on the front page. It didn't matter what the 'topic' was he was just generating a division which he has been doing for several years now.
[19:01:47] <Runaway1956> ROFLMAO @ 'Zumi
[19:02:17] <Runaway1956> janrinok++
[19:02:17] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 78
[19:02:32] <AzumaHazuki> so ban him if it bothers you that much. as you saw last night, i'm annoyed with ari's choice of tactics and strategy, and one reason I've not "supported" him is he's using the system in bad faith
[19:02:37] <janrinok> You, Azuma, are working with only half the information and, I'm sorry to say you are only getting things half right for half of the time.
[19:02:39] <Runaway1956> That comment goes to the heart of the matter
[19:02:51] <AzumaHazuki> well there's a very easy solution to that: fill me in on the other half
[19:03:10] <Runaway1956> ROFLMAO @ Zumi again
[19:03:23] <requerdanos> There is a better that does not involve breaching privacy. Accept that you do not have all the facts and don't jump to conclusions.
[19:03:47] <Runaway1956> but she wants to be an administrator so badly!!
[19:04:07] <requerdanos> focus on being a force for good, and where people are jerks, let it bother you, sure, but not excessively.
[19:04:15] <janrinok> The fact that he could rely on one person to always bite - guess who Runaway? - meant it was easy. You have all been played because you take things at face value in the discussions. You think that because somebody has a point of view he will _always_ express that point of view. Well he won't if it helps keep the argument going.
[19:04:40] <janrinok> Azuma - PRIVACY!!!
[19:04:45] <requerdanos> this is not banter nor point scoring but legitimate, heartfelt advice.
[19:04:54] <AzumaHazuki> fuck them. they abuse the system, they lose its protection
[19:05:01] <AzumaHazuki> someone wants to be above the law, they can be outlaw
[19:05:54] <janrinok> Why do you lot keep joining in? Ignore those posts - they are so easy to identify. Kill them by starving them of any discussion.
[19:06:26] <requerdanos> wow, from the manual of a printer I am supposed to help someone set up "HP+ printers are cloud-connected devices that must remain connected to the Internet in order to function. [...] After setup, you can print using a USB cable connection, if desired, but the printer must also still be connected to the Internet."
[19:08:19] <janrinok> But, next weekend. like clockwork, he will release another and off you all go again.....
[19:08:33] <FatPhil> Is that some kind of Ari analogy - he only keeps functioning as Ari if he's attached to the internet?
[19:08:47] <requerdanos> it wasn't meant to be, but yeah, I guess it is
[19:09:14] <FatPhil> Can't we upgrade his firmware, we know Router1956 will flood ping him.
[19:09:20] <AzumaHazuki> again, who posted https://soylentnews.org then? at this point i'm almost sure that's Ari pretending to be Runaway posting AC
[19:09:22] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | How to Persuade Americans to Give Up Their Guns ( https://soylentnews.org )
[19:09:29] <janrinok> I would love to be certain of his motivation - but I am not so I will keep my own counsel.
[19:09:49] <requerdanos> outing ACs is mostly not a thing.
[19:10:35] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, IF it was Ari it wouldn't be the first time in that journal entry that he has been 'somebody else'
[19:10:49] <AzumaHazuki> no kidding
[19:11:11] <AzumaHazuki> let me let you in on a secret: i sometimes ask questions i already know the answers to, just to see how much the person i'm talking to disrespects me
[19:11:29] <janrinok> Earlier today you were assuring him that you were 'on his side' while this site was livable - you are being played just like everyone else.
[19:11:50] <AzumaHazuki> i said between him and the shitposters i'm with him
[19:12:03] <AzumaHazuki> truth is, though? I fucking HATE his methods, and you saw me go off on him about them
[19:12:12] <janrinok> It is not the way it reads if that was your intention.
[19:12:25] <requerdanos> uh, he isn't exactly a unicorn-fairy-dust poster
[19:12:54] <janrinok> Just starve him of air and publicity.
[19:12:57] <AzumaHazuki> then let it be known: ari is by far the lesser of two evils. he's a trolling dipshit and i've watched him with dismay for years, but he's still better than the RWNJ infestation
[19:13:04] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: janrinok's sentence began with an "if". You cannot conclude the conclusion if the premise is false.
[19:13:36] <AzumaHazuki> i didn't need him to neither-confirm-nor-deny it. Ari isn't as clever at disguising himself as he thinks and several tells are all over that post
[19:13:38] <FatPhil> He literally put it in all caps. You seemed to have missed that
[19:13:50] <requerdanos> any group of nutjobs should also be starved of attention.
[19:13:56] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: Did you end up getting that job?
[19:14:08] <AzumaHazuki> yes <3 just waiting for the paperwork to finish being processed
[19:14:18] <AzumaHazuki> they very likely found a worrying level of urine in my caffeine sample =P
[19:14:19] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: Awesome! Congratulations! :)
[19:14:20] <janrinok> congratulations!
[19:14:22] <requerdanos> awesome. They are lucky to have you.
[19:14:40] * Teckla looks forward to coffee tomorrow.
[19:14:43] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki++ I hope it works well for you
[19:14:43] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 82
[19:14:49] <AzumaHazuki> thanks <3 i think it's time to get out of inpatient for now, yeah. this pandemic is collapsing the healthcare system and it's best if i ride it out in outpatient for a while
[19:15:26] <Teckla> That reminds me, I should check the latest Covid-19 data for Minnesota.
[19:15:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Warns Against Mounting iPhones to Motorcycles - https://sylnt.us - don't-catch-the-buzz
[19:16:28] <Teckla> It looks like Minnesota may have peaked. Fingers crossed!
[19:17:10] <FatPhil> Heading SW: Was there a noticeable Sturgis blip?
[19:17:49] <requerdanos> Ok, I am off to @#$% look at the printer. Person says "Yeah I have it hooked up by USB I don't have wifi" so my hopes are not sky high
[19:18:10] <Teckla> Not sure if there are any old school roguelike players here, but https://ang.band is a thing now.
[19:18:11] <systemd> ^ 03Angband
[19:18:25] <FatPhil> speedband
[19:18:29] <Teckla> FatPhil: As far as I know, yes (re: Sturgis).
[19:18:50] <Teckla> Also, any Chromebook users here? :)
[19:19:00] * Teckla is considering getting one, but wants more info re: its Linux support.
[19:19:44] <FatPhil> A telling question (given that chromeos is "linux")
[19:20:34] <Teckla> I'm hoping it's not some ancient, crusty Linux with ancient, crusty repositories.
[19:20:50] <FatPhil> I was a linux kernel maintainer in Nokia when google started dropping all their patches into the kernel, and our response to was "we ain't taking that shit".
[19:21:52] <Teckla> Interesting.
[19:22:10] <Teckla> FatPhil: Do you think Google is on the path to using Fuchsia, instead of Linux, for Chromebooks and/or Android?
[19:22:26] <FatPhil> I can't say - that was nearly a decade ago!
[19:22:30] <Teckla> Ah.
[19:22:44] <Teckla> A buddy of mine was briefly on the Fuchsia team before leaving Google, and he thinks the answer is no.
[19:23:37] <Runaway1956> FatPhil - yeah, they're showing a YUGE Sturgis blip - several months after Sturgis. You would have thought that the blip would have happened within 2 to 4 weeks of the rally?
[19:24:58] <FatPhil> Yeah, I was thinking of a ~4 week lag, something like that. Anything slower could just be newly-arrived delta independent of facial hair.
[19:25:42] <Runaway1956> momma don't take my facial hair!
[19:25:58] <Runaway1956> oh wait, that was Kodachrome
[19:26:09] <FatPhil> a-how-how-how-howwww
[19:28:37] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[19:28:40] <systemd> ^ 03Texas Strut
[19:33:11] <Runaway1956> Yandex browser is interesting for it's default landing page and widgets
[19:33:16] <Runaway1956> A redheaded paradise awaits us today my friends (52 Photos)
[19:33:41] <Runaway1956> I see stuff like that every time it opens - no other browser has anything similar
[19:33:47] <Teckla> Runaway1956: s/it's/its/
[19:33:59] <Teckla> "it's" is for "it is" or "it has"
[19:34:09] <Runaway1956> Yeah, you're right - but I don't care, lol
[19:34:33] <Runaway1956> when I types fast those things just slip by
[19:34:39] <Teckla> Yandex browser? What's that?
[19:35:15] <Runaway1956> https://browser.yandex.com
[19:35:19] <systemd> ^ 03Download Yandex.Browser
[19:35:28] <Runaway1956> It's a Russified chrome browser
[19:35:44] <Runaway1956> instead of reporting back to Google, it reports to Yandex
[19:35:50] <Teckla> Eeek.
[19:36:08] <Teckla> I don't think I want to even navigate to that web site.
[19:36:20] <Runaway1956> I won't say it's a "valuable" tool in the arsenal of privacy, but it's a tool
[19:36:44] <Runaway1956> It doesn't poison the data well, so much as it dilutes the data
[19:37:56] <Runaway1956> Huh - makes me wonder if there's a Chinafied version of Chrome - me wanders off to search . . .
[19:38:19] <Teckla> Runaway1956: I hope you have it properly sandboxed from your other applications and data.
[19:38:57] * Runaway1956 has virtual machines
[19:39:48] <Teckla> Excellent.
[19:40:49] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: from the comments here, it looks like you got the job. Congrats!
[19:46:24] <AzumaHazuki> assuming nothing goes pizdec on their backend yes. thank you. weren't you /ignoreing me though?
[19:47:45] <Runaway1956> https://archive.org
[19:48:08] <Runaway1956> Redcore browser - I'm downloading it into a Windows machine and take it for a spin
[19:49:36] <Runaway1956> actual name of browser seems to be HongXin
[19:53:00] <Teckla> Runaway1956: Everyone needs a hobby ;)
[19:55:23] <FatPhil> they offer you redheads - you get gingers
[20:00:39] <AzumaHazuki> in soviet russia, engine search you
[20:08:18] <FatPhil> pshhh-te-koff
[20:11:04] <Runaway1956> Interesting - Redcore browser has no settings for extensions, and you can't download extensions either -
[20:11:17] <Runaway1956> You're stuck with what Redcore packages
[20:11:45] <Runaway1956> default search engine is Bing, you can only choose between Google and Yahoo
[20:11:56] <Runaway1956> basically, a crippled Chrome
[20:13:25] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah - Redcore immediately demands that you install Flash, lol
[20:25:48] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.nih.gov from the it's-taurine.-no-bull! dept
[20:25:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NIH Scientists Identify Nutrient That Helps Prevent Bacterial Infection" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:26:24] <AzumaHazuki> very interesting, i take at least 2g of this daily
[20:32:12] <Teckla> Runaway1956: Is Redcore a Chinese browser or something?
[20:39:36] <Runaway1956> Yes, it's Chinese - and it's pretty locked down, can't manage extensions for starters
[20:39:47] <Runaway1956> although, I did manage to change search engine to DDG
[20:40:27] <Teckla> DDG is basically anonymized Bing, right?
[20:40:33] <Teckla> By default, at least.
[20:46:24] <Runaway1956> DDG searches using Google, primarily, I think - it pulls in Bing and Yahoo and others
[20:46:37] <Runaway1956> I looked into how it works once, have forgotten details
[20:54:10] <Runaway1956> Well, I'm done with Redcore - it's trash
[21:00:51] <Runaway1956> https://bestchineseproducts.com
[21:00:53] <systemd> ^ 035 Best Web Browsers in China 2021
[22:06:51] <chromas> !grab c0lo
[22:06:51] <Bender> Added quote 1053
[22:07:48] <requerdanos> !quote 1053
[22:07:48] <Bender> Quote 1053 - <c0lo> FatPhil, re shoey, I gotta try it someday. Problem is throwing it into the crowd. See, me boots still have some 3-4 years of life ahead and I hate to throw a good shoe. So I'll need to age tat champagne a bit more
[22:23:28] <FatPhil> Straw poll: "weskit" - word or not?
[23:03:14] <FatPhil> Last time I actually won at carting was, erm , never ago. I'm just good at keeping up with the leader. So never had the chance to drink carbonated white wines (not allowed to be called "champagne") on the podia.
[23:04:31] <FatPhil> I think before I left the UK I did have a "1st" cup for some event, but I ditched pretty much everything when I left the UK.
[23:04:39] <FatPhil> chattels.
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