#soylent | Logs for 2021-08-19

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[00:17:01] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
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[01:35:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Boston Dynamics Releases Video of Atlas Robot Doing Parkour - https://sylnt.us
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[08:10:57] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
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[08:13:31] <c0lo> =submit No preloading. No promises what's next. https://arstechnica.com
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[08:22:27] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[08:22:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03‘Panjshir Stands Strong’: Afghanistan’s Last Holdout Against the Taliban" (25p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:39:14] <FatPhil> next week's headlines: "Panjshir Holocaust"
[08:41:12] <boru> The proliferation of Islamic law in Afghanistan is unfortunate, but hopefully will lead to a revolution whereby Afghanistan goes back to how it was before that began _without_ foreign intervention.
[08:41:46] <boru> Unlikely for now, since they've been armed to the teeth by the americans _again_, but I don't think they'll be able to suppress it forever.
[08:42:20] <boru> Afghanistan is too diverse for Taliban rule to work on a national level for very long.
[08:43:03] <boru> I think the majority of people are probably just glad that the foreign invasion has ended for now.
[09:19:03] <c0lo> With the amount of arms (brought with opium or just left behind there), expect civil war.
[09:19:28] <boru> Not just the opium, there's a lot of minerals there as well.
[09:19:54] <boru> I would say the CIA were a bit upset about having to leave the former behind.
[09:19:56] <c0lo> Minerals don't matter if it's too risky to get to them.
[09:20:03] <boru> It worked so well for them in Columbia and Vietnam.
[09:20:28] <boru> It's more a case of infrastructure, really. I think Afghanistan was also a convenient outpost to have next to Iran.
[09:20:39] <c0lo> Someone will need to win the war w/o contest to get to them minerals.
[09:20:54] <boru> The Afghans and Iranians don't really like each other, so this move destablises the whole region, yet again.
[09:21:05] <boru> I wonder if the Taliban will stop at the border.
[09:21:52] <c0lo> Which border? Not with Pakistan, not with Iran Maybe with China, if China give them support.
[09:22:30] <boru> China could, for access to those minerals.
[09:22:49] <c0lo> And even then, it's only a matter of time before some extermist decides to fuck all, but uyghurs are our brothers.
[09:22:58] <boru> And I meant the Iranian border.
[09:24:04] <c0lo> Nope, they won't stop. They won't create too much trouble immediatelly. All depends on how weak the Iranians become over the next years.
[09:24:45] <boru> I think Iran's goal is unifying the region, but their biggest hurdle there will be Afghanistan.
[09:25:11] <boru> Unified, they'd wipe israel, and then put themselves in a better bargaining position with the saudis.
[09:25:27] <c0lo> Unification in any sense? Not gonna happen.
[09:25:48] <c0lo> It's not in the tribal culture of the region.
[09:25:58] <boru> I said it was difficult.
[09:26:05] <boru> But better the devil you know, than the west.
[09:26:31] <c0lo> They don't even have a reason for that unification?
[09:26:36] <boru> The Taliban won't hold the country forever, due to the diversity I mentioned above.
[09:26:51] <boru> No one has ever conquered Afghanistan in its entire history for this reason.
[09:27:13] <boru> I'd say being carpet bombed by NATO members is good enough a reason.
[09:27:26] <c0lo> True. And it will stayy like that for a good while.
[09:28:05] <c0lo> Need a generation to know something different from tribaism.
[09:28:06] <boru> Yeah, I don't see Afghanistan changing much in that regard, but IMHO that's the reason the Taliban have had such an easy time steam rolling the country.
[09:28:23] <boru> The one thing all of the tribes of Afghanistan have in common, is not wanting to be occupied by anyone.
[09:28:30] <t3> the entire middle east has been constantly invaded and at war for millenia, it is geographically important, fertile, full of resources, the cultures have adapted to that situation
[09:28:51] <c0lo> Not even occupied by Talibans, yes.
[09:29:06] <boru> Which is why I said their rule will eventually end.
[09:29:29] <boru> Afghanistan was far better off before Islamic law.
[09:29:39] <c0lo> May happen soon enough. But it will go through a civil war.
[09:30:17] <boru> And yeah, I think the incessant US incursion into the region is essentially the implementation of the Oded Yinon plan from '86.
[09:30:28] <boru> Civil war is probably a certainty, yes.
[09:30:59] <c0lo> The Talibans just moved now to occupy a power vaccum. It won't go uncontested.
[09:31:23] <boru> On an unrelated note, who said that rust was secure... I updated firefox, and it just segfaults now in libxul. Backtrace indicates a bunch of rust crap.
[09:53:34] <boru> Turns out http3 is the problem. Wtf is http3, I wonder.
[09:58:14] <inz> HTTP/2 was SPDY, HTTP/3 is QUIC
[09:58:37] <boru> Is this more google shite?
[09:59:02] <inz> Surprisingly, yes.
[09:59:31] <inz> Actually HTTP/3 is more like over QUIC, but that doesn't sound as good.
[09:59:53] <inz> HTTP/3 is dumping TCP altogether
[10:01:02] <boru> What a mistake the web was.
[10:08:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hacker Who Stole and Gave Back $600M Offered a Job and Reward from Company He Stole From - https://sylnt.us - it's-a-trap!
[10:22:49] <FatPhil> how many civil wars are they up to now? I've lost count.
[10:27:25] <c0lo> Including the HTTP2/3 civil war with http 1.1?
[10:30:27] <c0lo> https://i.redd.it
[10:53:49] <inz> HTTP2&3 are trying to solve the wrong problem.
[10:54:03] <inz> The real solution would've been to go for simpler websites
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[11:07:57] <FatPhil> heresy!
[11:11:13] <inz> I will never get a job at a sexy startup.
[11:24:49] <FatPhil> startup your own startup instead
[11:25:42] <FatPhil> just think of something that everybody does, append "as a service", and come up with a short, catchy, and dumb company name. Sorted!
[11:26:22] <FatPhil> Download the new PARP app for all your Farting as a Service needs.
[11:26:32] <inz> Masturbation as a Service?
[11:28:41] <boru> Oracle already exist.
[11:28:56] <FatPhil> Jerk - with two levels of service. Jerk-online for those who need MaaS on-the-go, and Jerk-offline for those who need a more flexible jerkoff.
[11:29:20] <c0lo> For the amateurs, there's already fansonly or onlyfans or something.
[11:30:12] <boru> AIUI, that's more of a prostitution service.
[11:30:48] <FatPhil> I thought it was just camwhores
[11:31:44] <FatPhil> like about 99% of the modern internet, I haven't got a clue what it is!
[11:31:50] <inz> I was thinking along boru's lines.
[11:32:10] <inz> The legality might be an issue though.
[11:32:55] <inz> Maybe there's a loophole, if the revenue comes through ads, and the service would be free.
[11:33:02] <c0lo> This has to be the most unhinged 3mins of interpretation of something. I'd rather be forced to listen death metal https://www.newsweek.com
[11:33:03] <systemd> ^ 03'Heil Fauci!': Vaccine passports compared to Nazis in California public hearing
[11:33:12] <boru> From what I've read about the site, it seems to be more what-can-i-get-people-to-pay-for sort of thing. Legality will vary country by country, I suppose.
[11:33:35] <boru> But it's essentially a sex/pornography for money site, I believe.
[11:34:31] <boru> Some people are doing well from it, I've read.
[11:34:48] <boru> As in have become a multi-millionaire after a year or so.
[11:35:06] <boru> Youtube for prostitutes, I suppose you might call it.
[11:35:55] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[11:36:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03S.Korea to Grant Legal Status to Animals to Tackle Abuse, Abandonment" (36p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:55:22] <c0lo> =submit https://www.ajudaily.com
[11:55:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03S. Korea Develops Technique to Recycle Discarded Solar Panels Into High-performance Solar Cells" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:15:06] <c0lo> (groan) we need tourists. The crocodiles are starving and started to nibble on our toes https://www.abc.net.au
[12:15:08] <systemd> ^ 03Man loses toes after stepping on crocodile's head south of Darwin - ABC News
[13:06:33] <c0lo> pending stories queue is empty.
[13:25:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Life Defined in Terms of Information Flow - https://sylnt.us - IT-is-everywhere
[14:22:38] <c0lo> Ummm... as someone with better chances to translate it for non-brits, was that an "Yes" FatPhil? https://pbs.twimg.com
[14:35:43] <c0lo> https://www.middleeasteye.net
[14:35:43] <systemd> ^ 03Please Wait... | Cloudflare
[14:43:10] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
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[15:05:09] <FatPhil> c0lo: I think twatface was just just saying that he respected sean's work, even if it wasn't reciprocated.
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[15:34:45] <c0lo> FatPil, I see. The alternative I was thinking were going on the line of "Look, Sean thought of me even on the death bed! I'm not a nobody"
[15:35:04] <c0lo> s/were g/was g/
[15:35:04] <SedBot> <c0lo> FatPil, I see. The alternative I was thinking was going on the line of "Look, Sean thought of me even on the death bed! I'm not a nobody"
[15:36:05] <c0lo> =submit intelligence-is-not-wisdom https://www.gizmodo.com.au
[15:36:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Heist Team Allegedly Stole $691,100 From Drug Dealer by Using an Apple Watch as a Tracker" (4p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:43:25] <Teckla> Oh woe is me, no coffee today :(
[16:17:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hoo’s There? Citizen Scientists Needed to Identify Australian Owl Calls - https://sylnt.us - sounds-like-a-hoot
[16:23:46] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: good luck with the interview if it's not happened yet
[16:25:45] <AzumaHazuki> thanks :) am about to go
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[18:51:58] <Runaway1956> Da ebils of da Microsoft
[18:52:33] <Runaway1956> I've been playing with virtual machines - wanted to install Hexchat on Microsoft 11
[18:52:53] <Runaway1956> Went to github to download it, and got redirected to the Microsoft Store
[18:53:30] <Runaway1956> I think that sucks diseased ass. WTF am I being redirected to MS Store?
[18:54:06] <Runaway1956> Where else are there redirects?
[18:57:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Drone Delivery is Live Today, and It’s 90% Cheaper than Car-Based Services - https://sylnt.us - what-about-snow,-rain,-heat,-or-gloom-of-night?
[18:57:15] <t3> might be related to this: https://github.com
[18:57:16] <systemd> ^ 03BUG: Python can redirect to Windows Store
[19:00:17] <Runaway1956> That's interesting, I just kinda assumed the redirect was on github
[19:01:50] <Runaway1956> Huh - did the exact same thing inside of host operating system, MX Linux
[19:02:01] <Runaway1956> redirected to Microsoft Store
[19:02:32] <t3> that's concerning
[19:05:11] <Runaway1956> Choosing the Windows 7+ 64 bit installed does a direct download though, so maybe it's not total evil?
[19:05:39] <Runaway1956> to be fair, the link I was clicking is labeled 'Windows 10 App'
[19:06:26] <Runaway1956> same behaviour in both host and guest machine
[19:07:40] <chromas> that's not a redirect
[19:07:48] <chromas> the actual link is to the ms store
[19:08:02] <chromas> notice it says "App"
[19:08:07] <chromas> app means store
[19:10:09] <Bytram> =g hexchat windows 11
[19:10:10] <systemd> https://portableapps.com - HexChat Portable (customizable IRC client) | PortableApps.com
[19:10:21] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I guess I'm figuring that out chromas - to me, clicking any download link should go to a direct download
[19:10:30] <Runaway1956> redirects are not good
[19:10:30] <Bytram> =g hexchat windows 10
[19:10:31] <systemd> https://hexchat.github.io - Downloads – HexChat
[19:10:45] <Runaway1956> that's the page alright Bytram
[19:10:57] <Bytram> =)
[19:11:02] <Bytram> hth
[19:11:17] <Bytram> lunchtime
[19:11:19] <Runaway1956> There's not much to be happy about in Win11 though, lol
[19:14:27] <Runaway1956> Oh, I notice that the ghost of TheMightyBuzzard has finally left
[19:22:26] <Bytram> Yes, TheMightyBuzzard left on 2021-07-22 (actually, it was his ZNC bouncer that left)
[19:24:32] <Runaway1956> ah-ha
[19:26:27] <Bytram> you are only about a month late. ;)
[19:31:59] <Runaway1956> That long? Wow, guess I'm not very observant
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[19:35:41] <Runaway1956> Not starting now, but my next project is to play around with DISM, and see how much crap I can strip out of the Win11 installer
[19:35:49] <Runaway1956> https://docs.microsoft.com
[19:35:50] <systemd> ^ 03Enable or Disable Windows Features Using DISM
[19:36:45] <Runaway1956> That might be useful to people who run Windows on laptops - like maybe Bytram
[19:37:04] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: WB. Hope the interview went well!
[19:37:29] <AzumaHazuki> yes thanks :) i have a lot of competition but it sounds like the others aren't experienced
[19:37:40] <Runaway1956> note that DISM works on live systems, not just on installation media
[19:37:51] <Bytram> Runaway1956: right now, only once per year so I can do my income taxes
[19:37:53] <AzumaHazuki> this is apparently a new sort of position for this company since they started as a small family business ~45 years ago and have seen massive growth over the last 5
[19:38:28] <Bytram> growth sounds good =)
[19:38:31] <AzumaHazuki> https://www.theonion.com
[19:38:32] <systemd> ^ 03Show-And-Tell Marred By Every Child Bringing Ashes Of Relative Who Died Of Covid
[19:38:42] <AzumaHazuki> TFW the Onion is probably closer to reality than the actual news
[19:39:42] <Bytram> =g TFW
[19:39:43] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - What Does 'TFW' Mean? | TFW Slang Definition | Merriam-Webster
[19:40:10] <AzumaHazuki> https://customcornhole.com things i didn't know i needed, pt. 1
[19:40:12] <systemd> ^ 03Beavis and Butthead Cornhole Set with Bags
[19:41:39] <Runaway1956> Oh, I discovered an evil trick for my own purposes
[19:41:53] <Runaway1956> if you torrent, and you care about your upload ratio
[19:42:12] <Runaway1956> just fire up a virtual machine with access to local network
[19:42:33] <Runaway1956> copy magnet link from host torrent client into guest torrent client
[19:42:57] <Runaway1956> your host will "upload" the file to your guest, and upload ratio goes up fast
[19:43:30] <Runaway1956> best to use a rather large file, it uploads small files faster than you can paste them into the guest machine
[19:45:29] <chromas> Might be good for using private trackers that want you to keep a decent upload ratio
[19:45:41] <chromas> you'd need two accounts
[19:46:20] <Runaway1956> Uh-huh - something like that
[19:46:23] <Bytram> can't you just edit your local copy of your stats-tracking file?
[19:46:40] <Runaway1956> Maybe you can, I've never looked at it
[19:52:18] <Bytram> worked about a decade ago when I was on windows and last used a torrent ... uTorrent(sp?)
[19:53:01] <chromas> µ
[19:53:26] <chromas> back when it was good software. nobody should use µtorrent anymore though
[19:56:06] <inz> My upload ratio is 0, is that good
[19:56:13] <Bytram> that kinda tells you how long it has been since I last used a torrent =)
[21:12:03] <FatPhil> 90% of F1 races we watch at home via torrents, and we use a private tracker where ratios are important. Alas, our pipe is 1/10th of the size of everyone else (if not less), so we're looking like bad guys even though we're trying to contribute.
[21:21:47] <chromas> Maybe cheat a little
[21:21:59] <chromas> unless they compare IPs
[21:22:07] <chromas> then just bring ipv6 into the mix
[21:23:06] * Bytram raises a stinky eyebrow at FatPhil
[21:24:40] * Bytram used to work on a project for F1 broadcasting, at the race venues, in their on-site digital broadcast facilities
[21:26:37] <Bytram> post meal "sleepies" are taking over; biab
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[22:05:51] <FatPhil> Bytram: the only way I could get F1 is if I paid for 200 channels almost all of which are in the wrong language. Blame them for making it such terrible value for money.
[22:06:30] <FatPhil> And that wouldn't even include proper British BBC, only the insanely crappy international one.
[22:08:53] <requerdanos> vipbox.tv carries f1 streams live I think
[22:11:48] <FatPhil> I was just going to add that the commercial rights holders for F1 have been evil fucks who've attempted to ruin the sport for at least 15 years anyway, so long before I gave up my telly.
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[23:51:45] <Bytram> FatPhil: By "stinky eye", I was trying (and failing) to recall Spock's single raised eyebrow of "Oh, really?" -- more in jest than any true approbation.
[23:53:04] <Bytram> My work for them was back in '97, and they were known to be exorbitantly expensive even back then.
[23:53:59] <Bytram> I apologize. I came across much stronger than intended.