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[03:22:17] <requerdanos> "3D-printed Concrete Bridge Doesn't Need Supports" is crying for a what-could-possibly-go-wrong dept. line
[03:22:34] <t3> =submit https://www.brown.edu
[03:22:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Researchers Take Step Toward Next-generation Brain-computer Interface System" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:36:41] <c0lo> requerdanos, why? After all, stone bridges exist even nowadays.
[03:42:36] <Runaway1956> Stone bridges are for cavemen.
[03:50:15] <requerdanos> https://duckduckgo.com
[03:50:16] <systemd> ^ 03tacoma narrows bridge at DuckDuckGo
[03:52:32] <requerdanos> Interesting-ish quote from associated wikipedia article, "The portion of the bridge that fell into the water now serves as an artificial reef."
[03:53:45] <requerdanos> That's a statement one generally wants to avoid, however much one is in favor of the artificial reef concept.
[03:56:51] <c0lo> Runaway1956, https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:00:09] <c0lo> Look at the one in the submitted story, all the blocks are under compression - a thing that concrete is excellent for https://www.freethink.com
[04:00:42] <AzumaHazuki> will they STAY in compression though?
[04:01:09] <requerdanos> I didn't really mean for a mob to assemble and attack your bridge.
[04:02:08] <c0lo> The Ribblehead Viaduct one I linked above seems to have stayed under compression for quite a while, no?
[04:02:29] * Runaway1956 thinks a nice long nap is in order before attacking any stone bridges
[04:02:47] * Runaway1956 may find trolls under some of them
[04:03:13] <Runaway1956> aka "homeless"
[04:03:14] <requerdanos> I am pretty sure the ribblehead viaduct wasn't 3d printed off the Internets.
[04:05:50] <c0lo> I'm sure 3D printing has nothing to do with the quality of the concrete under compression or the quality of end result. Pouring the blocks in molds and assembling them afterward would have achieved the same, just with more cost and labour.
[04:11:37] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, in the light of your "death cult" journal, explain this https://www.abc.net.au
[04:11:39] <systemd> ^ 03How a pop-up vaccine hub in Lakemba is trying to boost vaccination rates in Sydney's COVID hot spots - ABC News
[04:12:12] <AzumaHazuki> the GOP doesn't operate in Aus
[04:12:15] <AzumaHazuki> ...Murdoch aside
[04:12:36] <c0lo> Have yot read the link?
[04:13:37] <c0lo> Or you just decided I'm as ... as Runaway to push you irrelevant articles?
[04:13:47] <AzumaHazuki> is calling someone a sheep a worse insult in NSW, given the reputation?
[04:20:51] <c0lo> The relevant question is "Is DeSantis&all a cause or an effect? (i.e. opportunists that just raid and manipulate the wave he's ridding on)"
[04:21:02] <c0lo> Would eliminating DeSantis from public life make the things better?
[04:21:44] <c0lo> Too late but: s/raid/ride/
[04:29:22] <AzumaHazuki> i'd say the answer to that is "yes"
[04:29:30] <AzumaHazuki> to the first and the second question
[04:30:08] <AzumaHazuki> he's both cause and effect, i.e., he's perpetuating the problem. and removing him would definitely help. preferably by strapping him to a rocket aimed at the Sun
[04:57:30] <c0lo> "Help" is not addressing the root cause. DeSantis is replacing Trump in preferences. What makes you think you have enough rockets to aim at the Sun with all the nex guys?
[06:06:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Elusive 'Shape-Shifting' Fish Rarely Seen Filmed by Researchers - https://sylnt.us - Whalefish-are-not-whales
[06:24:19] <chromas> I wonder if the fish can turn into a treasure chest
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[08:39:22] <c0lo> Depends how big the chest. I mea, I have no troubles to turn into an elevator and face the door after I get in.
[08:39:42] <c0lo> s/mea,/mean/
[08:39:42] <SedBot> <c0lo> Depends how big the chest. I mean I have no troubles to turn into an elevator and face the door after I get in.
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[09:01:10] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.visualcapitalist.com
[09:01:14] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Mercator Misconceptions: Clever Map Shows the True Size of Countries" (83p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:47:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Boeing Starliner Standing Down - https://sylnt.us - If-it-don't-work-right,-hit-it-with-a-hammer
[15:31:06] * Bytram just saw formatting issues on main page. Tried Ctrl+F5 in Firefox, no joy. Tried Ctrl+F5 again; looks okay, now.
[15:31:51] <Bytram> will keep an eye on things, but please post here is anyone encounters site issues.
[15:33:10] <Bytram> tried Ctrl+F5 again, looks wonky again. :/
[15:33:36] <Bytram> can anyone else confirm?
[15:33:43] <Runaway1956> Uh-oh - I just noticed the wonkiness Bytram
[15:33:56] <Runaway1956> No header, no slashboxes on front page
[15:34:26] <Bytram> Runaway1956: So, it's not just me. Yep....same here.
[15:34:29] <FatPhil> same here
[15:34:31] <Runaway1956> Ctrl-F5 fixed it for me
[15:35:00] <FatPhil> not for me :(
[15:35:28] <Runaway1956> Someone allowed the Furbies to drink water after midnight
[15:36:03] <FatPhil> threading broken too, my reply hasn't been put under its parent
[15:36:12] <Bytram> Let's see... counts are off is a slashd issue. Formatting indicates Apache issues. /me heads off to bounce fluorine and hydrogen.
[15:36:58] * Runaway1956 picks up the tool bag with the big hammers and tags along after Bytram
[15:37:17] <Runaway1956> Jesus that bag is getting heavy!
[15:42:09] <Bytram> bounced fluorine and hydrogen; looks good to me... try it now.
[15:42:19] <chromas> the weekly bouncing
[15:42:56] <requerdanos> as long as no one gets the idea to add those bounces to root's crontab, we shall all be okay
[15:44:48] <Runaway1956> Site looks alright to me now
[15:44:50] <Bytram> requerdanos++ agreed! Document occurrences, eventually a pattern will appear and we will be able to *solve* the problem instead of continually applying a *patch*
[15:44:50] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 38
[15:45:15] <Runaway1956> Would someone tell 'Zumi that the AC she is arguing with is not me? https://soylentnews.org
[15:45:17] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | They are a literal death cult now ( https://soylentnews.org )
[15:45:47] <requerdanos> all the RWNJs kind of flow together after a while, can't blame her too much from that perspective she has
[15:46:02] <Runaway1956> Because an AC has adopted my sig (or a close approximation thereof) she is convinced that AC is my sockpuppet or some such
[15:46:22] <requerdanos> don't you have to register an account to truly have a sock puppet?
[15:46:54] <Runaway1956> all the LWNJs kind of flow together after a while, can't blame her too much from that perspective she has
[15:47:07] <requerdanos> see?
[15:47:17] <requerdanos> also fully true.
[15:47:32] <Runaway1956> lolol, sometimes it's hard to tell the LWNJ from the RWNJ
[15:47:41] <requerdanos> yeah sometimes I have to look it up
[15:49:10] <chromas> You can document occurrences and still automate the ffix
[15:50:06] <chromas> or just document the bounces in a log since nobody's going to fix it
[15:54:12] <requerdanos> to be honest, the slashd can probably be safely auto-bounced as it works behind the scenes, so to speak
[15:57:33] <requerdanos> ... says a pseudorandom person on the Internet ...
[15:58:39] <chromas> I keep trying to hold my breath for the cause to be found and fixed any second now, but it's been too many years
[16:12:34] <Runaway1956> Ah-HA! Just learned something I had never noticed.
[16:12:46] <Runaway1956> On subscription page, it actually tells you when your sub ends
[16:13:15] <Runaway1956> Was trying to decide whether to gift a sub to someone, or get a sub for myself
[16:13:41] <Bytram> requerdanos: chromas: I inquired of such automated recovery from TMB. He cautioned against it and counseled (as I recall) that bouncing was a relatively benign action, but restarting slashd was not something to be done lightly at the time I learned of it. As the restarting of slashd was about all I could grok at the time, I took his word for it and never got back back to him asking for an elaboration. Or maybe I did, but have forgotten
[16:13:41] <Bytram> it, now.
[16:14:24] <Bytram> Runaway1956: WhyNotBoth.jpg
[16:14:34] <Bytram> =)
[16:14:35] <requerdanos> maybe put the whole works on a plug-in timer and have it automatically hard power off every so often and restart. that'll fix it.
[16:14:36] <Runaway1956> mebbe
[16:15:18] <raxas> Saigon 2.0: Kabul overran by zerg. not enough copters for evacuation... again.
[16:15:41] <chromas> https://i.kym-cdn.com
[16:15:52] <Bytram> requerdanos: like to fix a headache, stop and restart a patient's heart? ;)
[16:16:08] <requerdanos> See? You get it exactly
[16:19:24] <Bytram> For some strange reason, the stopping part is always more certain than the restarting... Do you feel lucky, punk?
[16:20:06] <requerdanos> like with sudo poweroff vs. sudo poweron. The one just about always works, but the other, I haven't figured out yet
[16:23:24] <chromas> sudo doesn't work when it's off. How can it give you power if it doesn't have any?
[16:23:51] <requerdanos> I checked, and it's plugged in. The outlet works (it was working a second ago for the poweroff anyway).
[16:26:40] <chromas> are you using systemd?
[16:27:50] <requerdanos> absolutely yes
[16:28:02] <chromas> well there's your problem
[16:28:48] <requerdanos> oh. I didn't know it mattered. I detest learning "the new systemd way" to do all these things.
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[16:49:44] <Runaway1956> Every day that passes is one day closer to fiber internet - and maybe the end of being disconnected at random times throughout the dya
[16:49:56] <Runaway1956> s/dya/day/
[16:49:57] <SedBot> <Runaway1956> Every day that passes is one day closer to fiber blogosphere - and maybe the end of being disconnected at random times throughout the day
[16:50:44] <Runaway1956> sedbot replaces internet with blogospher? lol
[16:50:44] * SedBot is a 54-line awk script, https://github.com
[16:54:09] <chromas> fiber++
[16:54:09] <Bender> karma - fiber: 1
[17:03:14] <Bytram> Runaway1956: UPS, get one [or more] I wouldn't think of running a computer without it!!
[17:08:15] <Runaway1956> Windows 11 build 22000.51 and .65 and .71 and .100 and .120 and .132 -
[17:08:28] <Runaway1956> and zero indication what the differences are
[17:08:53] <Runaway1956> I downloaded .132 and installed, and it's impossible to install the VMWare tools video driver in it
[17:09:26] <Runaway1956> maybe I shouldn't say impossible, but I haven't figured out the trick to it
[17:10:03] <Runaway1956> installer opens up, I can select all other tools, and deselect video, it installs flawlessly
[17:10:26] <Runaway1956> try to install ANY video driver (not just VMWare) and it crashes the system
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[17:13:20] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[17:13:22] <systemd> ^ 03Dr. Charles Morgan on Psycho-Neurobiology and War
[17:17:51] <Runaway1956> Bytram - good deal here? https://www.ebay.com
[17:17:53] <systemd> ^ 03APC Back-UPS, Battery Backup, 1300va, 780 Watts, BX1300LCD, LOT of TWO units 731304247906
[17:20:02] <Runaway1956> I've watched a couple videos showing how to convert those things to use deep cycle marine batteries - probably keep my machine running for half hour or more
[17:20:13] <Runaway1956> maybe an hour
[17:21:55] <chromas> =yt technology connections ups
[17:21:56] <systemd> https://youtube.com - TC Projects: Lead-Acid Battery Backup (17:33; 930,358 views; 👍34,437 👎605)
[17:22:08] <requerdanos> keep in mind the heat management in those things is designed with the idea that they will die quickly and if you provide a larger than expected battery store they may overheat
[17:25:32] <Bytram> Runaway1956: My latest: CyberWave 1325VA Sine Power
[17:25:37] <Bytram> =g CyberWave 1325VA Sine Power
[17:25:37] <systemd> https://www.cyberpowersystems.com - 1325 VA UPS Products | CyberPower
[17:25:50] <Bytram> =g CyberWave 1325VA Sine Power BestBuy
[17:25:51] <systemd> https://www.bestbuy.com - Whats the difference between this model and the C – Q&A – Best Buy;
[17:27:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sci-Hub Pledges Open Source & AI Alongside Crypto Donation Drive - https://sylnt.us
[17:27:21] <raxas> since two rack 1200VA APCs already died on me (electronics, poor components), I buy only more reliable chinese Fortrons for the kitchen rack in this category
[17:28:25] <Runaway1956> So APC is not reliable . . . ?
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[17:29:44] <raxas> no, APC is made in vietnam or indonesia for about 20+ years
[17:29:56] <raxas> junk tech
[17:30:12] <Runaway1956> OK, thanks
[17:30:49] <chromas> vietnam is somehow worse than chinesium?
[17:31:17] <raxas> this one is my favourite model https://www.alza.cz
[17:31:20] <systemd> ^ 03FSP Fortron UPS Champ 2000 VA rack 2U - Záložní zdroj
[17:31:26] <raxas> got several of them
[17:32:32] <raxas> but we have euro sockets here, you need more american model
[17:32:33] <Bytram> Runaway1956: this is my current one: https://www.cyberpowersystems.com
[17:32:34] <systemd> ^ 03GX1325U - Battery Backup - Product Details, Specs, Downloads
[17:34:42] <Bytram> also have APC BackUPS 900 (and, older, CyberPower 585 VA)
[17:35:24] <Runaway1956> I'm looking and studying - need 1200 watt though, 1500 preferable
[17:36:21] <Runaway1956> That fortron looks good, but if I spend $1000 I'll be sleeping in the dog house
[17:37:26] <Bytram> best not to let them run down to empty; buy more than you think you need... Darn! This UPS is *still* powering my computer is *not* a complaint I have ever uttered.
[17:37:42] <raxas> I still keep a small BackUPS 500 for small network equipment, that one is good and reliable. but one old small cyberpower burned completely with flame, that's just office junk
[17:38:19] <raxas> generally, surge protection in APC is unreliable
[17:38:37] <raxas> I now use german protectors and chinese upses
[17:39:50] <Bytram> Huh, seems I have had ~ 100 power interruptions in the past 2 (3?) years that my UPS has noted.
[17:40:35] <raxas> the Fortron is technically better, it does full curve synthesis all the time
[17:40:42] <chromas> Does it show a notice to upgrade your ups?
[17:41:15] <Bytram> Also, intention should be, primarily, to have plenty of time for a safe power down; not to run your system for hours.
[17:41:32] <Bytram> yes, full sine wave here, too.
[17:41:45] <raxas> that helps much when you get distorted non-sinus incoming
[17:42:37] <Runaway1956> I have a little CyberPower ~500 for just the modem and router that lasted through about 5 power outages before it fried
[17:42:45] <Bytram> Runaway1956: if power outages are frequent enough, maybe you can talk your wife into getting a "whole-house" UPS with backup generator?
[17:42:49] <chromas> Do switching power supplies even care about the wave shape?
[17:44:15] <Bytram> Subtly let her know such a thing exists, and during/after every power blip she'll think "but if I had a UPS, I would not have lost that work"
[17:44:42] <Runaway1956> coffee++ time for a refill
[17:44:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5581
[17:46:54] <raxas> some of them do care about true sinus. I use mostly Corsair PSU in my machines, those which have their own serial console. changes in efficiency are observable on this datalink
[17:49:21] <Runaway1956> at Bytram - if I can only get 15 minutes, that will solve *most* power outages. Sometimes the power is out for hours, but very often, it's only few seconds or a few minutes
[17:49:59] <Bytram> 'zactly
[17:50:01] <Bytram> It is a stunningly beautiful day weather-wise... time to get out and enjoy some sunshine!
[17:50:35] <Bytram> (days are already appreciably shorter)
[17:50:38] <Runaway1956> don't have too much fun
[17:50:41] <Bytram> laters!
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[18:03:50] <chromas> it's all yellow here
[18:04:03] <chromas> like Mexico in a TV show
[18:04:17] <chromas> Thanks, wild fires
[18:21:56] <Runaway1956> lol Mexico in a TV show -
[18:22:07] <Runaway1956> first visit to Mexico was to Tijuana
[18:22:26] <Runaway1956> I wandered about the city, and everywhere I went, it was smoky
[18:22:42] <Runaway1956> Even in the "upper class" neighborhoods
[18:23:13] <Runaway1956> Fortunately, not all of Mexico is the same.
[18:23:25] <Runaway1956> Nuevo Laredo is much cleaner than Tijuana
[18:45:28] <chromas> I was thinking of Breaking Bad and other stuff where they just put on a heavy tint and call it Mexico
[19:10:00] <Runaway1956> just learned another thing
[19:10:17] <Runaway1956> yesterday, I encrypted a volume with VMWare, took well over an hour
[19:10:31] <Runaway1956> today I encrypted another volume in like 3 seconds
[19:11:07] <Runaway1956> same size - I applied encryption before creating any partitions
[19:14:47] <Runaway1956> where I said volume, I should have said virtual hard drive - there is no volume until you create a partition, I think
[19:15:12] <chromas> You can create a volume directly on the drive if you want
[19:15:16] <chromas> without partition
[19:15:32] <chromas> anyhow, if you've put stuff on it then maybe it does the whole disk
[19:16:05] <chromas> otherwise it only encrypts what's there and leaves the rest of the disk alone until you write to a particular spot
[19:16:32] <Runaway1956> Well, now I know better than to encrypt after diddling with the disk - encrypt first, do everything else later
[19:17:19] <t3> with most encryption schemes, that's the only way you can do it
[19:18:20] <chromas> maybe it was being a smartass and automatically moving the data from original to encrypted volume
[19:19:20] <t3> that could explain why it took an hour
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[19:30:37] <Runaway1956> Uhhh, hello marly
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[19:32:38] <SoyGuest50324> hmm
[19:32:41] <SoyGuest50324> *sigh*
[19:34:23] <SoyGuest50324> stupid gay ass thing won't let me change my nick back
[19:34:27] <SoyGuest50324> don't time have time for this shit
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[19:35:06] <boru> Someone needs to RTFM.
[19:35:45] <Runaway1956> I was seriously waiting for marly to go off with stupid shit about Martyb/bytram
[19:37:20] <Runaway1956> https://www.ncnewsonline.com
[19:37:22] <systemd> ^ 03Former educators reflect on their teaching days
[19:37:45] <Runaway1956> The school house pictured is where I started school
[19:38:05] <Runaway1956> at that time, I thought the 1-room school houses that my parents went to were quaint
[19:38:10] <boru> I get a 451.
[19:38:16] <boru> 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
[19:38:16] <boru> We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact webmaster@ncnewsonline.com or call (724) 654-6651.
[19:38:22] <boru> Good old USA.
[19:38:40] <Runaway1956> that sucks
[19:38:41] <boru> CBA to switch proxy.
[19:39:23] <Runaway1956> GDPR is one of the prime reasons for doing VPNs
[19:40:09] <t3> https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com
[19:40:31] <Runaway1956> Yup, that's it
[20:19:51] <Runaway1956> Well then - installed a new Win11 VM from different install media
[20:20:34] <Runaway1956> I run into the same problem, can't install VMWare video driver - the VM crashes every time any attempt is made to update that default Microsoft driver
[21:16:23] <chromas> https://www.theonion.com
[21:16:23] <systemd> ^ 03New Study Finds Americans Scoot Over At Least 10 Miles Per Year
[21:16:25] <chromas> “Between park benches, bleachers, backseats, and various other types of shared, communal seating, the typical American scoots nearly a mile a month."
[22:06:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New York City Police Department Secretly Spent $159 Million on Surveillance Technology - https://sylnt.us - full-disclosure-and-secret-budgets
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[23:15:24] <AzumaHazuki> Wow https://twitter.com
[23:37:39] <raxas> this one https://www.france24.com
[23:37:40] <systemd> ^ 03Serbian cave hermit gets Covid-19 jab, urges others to follow - France 24
[23:55:12] <raxas> just a philosophical question: those islamists in Afghanistan or elsewhere, do they responsibly get their vaccines too?
[23:55:34] <raxas> I guess not, too busy winning the wars
[23:56:02] <progo> I heard today the taliban is banning covid-19 vaccines