#soylent | Logs for 2021-08-12
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[00:07:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Awards Secret $10 Billion Contract to Amazon - https://sylnt.us - this-is-pork
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[00:49:32] <tedious> I guess this is going to be my entertainment tonight. https://rumble.com
[00:49:33] <systemd> ^ 03Doctors for Covid Ethics Symposium - Session 3: First Do No Harm - Rumble
[00:50:30] <tedious> Cuomo kills thousands of grandparents and he only has to resign.
[00:51:10] <tedious> Now it looks like the ones who survived and got vaccinated are going to be screwed too.
[01:02:07] <c0lo> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[01:02:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NYPD Secretly Spent $159 Million on Surveillance Tech" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:05:43] <c0lo> =submit https://www.euronews.com
[01:05:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03British Travellers Rage as Vodafone Brings Back Data Roaming Charges" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[01:09:39] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com.au
[01:09:44] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Scotland Could Pursue a Money-laundering Investigation Into Trump's Golf Courses, a Judge Ruled Afte" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:10:11] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[01:10:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Norton and Avast are Merging Into an $8 Billion Antivirus Empire" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:12:23] <c0lo> =submit https://www.energytrend.com
[01:12:26] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Berlin Mandates That All New Buildings Must be Fitted With Rooftop PV Systems Starting From 2023" (4p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:13:55] <c0lo> =submit https://www.technologyreview.com
[01:13:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The UN Climate Report Pins Hopes on Carbon Removal Technologies That Barely Exist" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[01:26:59] <tedious> Oh shit I thought you were kidding about horseradish raxas.
[01:27:38] <tedious> WTF is going on??
[01:30:24] <Bytram> =g horseradish covid-19
[01:30:25] <systemd> https://www.karger.com - Spices to Control COVID-19 Symptoms: Yes, but Not Only ...
[01:30:44] <Bytram> =g horseradish covid-19 vaccine
[01:30:45] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - Immunogenicity of a DNA vaccine candidate for COVID-19 | Nature ...
[01:31:22] <Bytram> =g horseradish covid-19 vaccine side-effect
[01:31:22] <systemd> https://www.webmd.com - HORSERADISH: Overview, Uses, Side Effects, Precautions ...
[01:31:28] <tedious> It looks like some they use some kind of enzyme from horseradish in testing.
[01:32:52] <Bytram> I'm not finding whatever seems to be talked about here? maybe I'm missing something? IOW: [citation needed]
[01:33:17] <tedious> There's another Nature paper about cytokine syndrome.
[01:33:36] <tedious> But it only talks about horseradish peroxidase.
[01:33:53] <Bytram> can you please provide a link?
[01:37:03] <tedious> =g sars-cov-2 horseradish cytokine release syndrome
[01:37:04] <systemd> https://science.sciencemag.org - New Products | Science
[01:38:02] <tedious> =g sars-cov-2 cytokine release syndrome bnt162b2
[01:38:03] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - Cytokine release syndrome in a patient with colorectal cancer after ...
[01:38:10] <tedious> That's it.
[01:39:39] <Runaway1956> Horseradish . . . somehow, I never learned to like that stuff . . . seems a good way to ruin any meal, if you ask me.
[01:40:22] <tedious> But you need it for your shrimp cocktails. :)
[01:41:19] <Bytram> tedious++ when I worked in a restaurant, I made some awesome shrimp cocktail sauce!
[01:41:19] <Bender> karma - tedious: 2
[01:42:46] <c0lo> "Given that patients with cancer were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 vaccine studies and are currently prioritized in COVID-19 vaccination programs globally, this case motivates prospective pharmacovigilance regarding the safety profile of COVID-19 vaccines in patients with cancer."
[01:43:48] <c0lo> ""Overall, as CRS in this case is an isolated report, and patients with cancer are generally more vulnerable to COVID-19"
[01:44:41] <Bytram> take 1 #10 can ketchup. pour in 3 "glugs" of vinegar, ~1/2 cup of brown sugar, add ~ 1/2 cup horseradish,
[01:44:53] <c0lo> No gonna lose my sleep over horseradish interaction with covis vaxes.
[01:45:30] <tedious> I can't see how this is a food thing tho.
[01:45:42] <tedious> But if it is wtf?
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[01:49:15] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov from the everybody-must-get-stoned dept.
[01:49:23] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cannabidiol Inhibits SARS-CoV-2 Replication and Promotes the Host Innate Immune Response" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:49:24] <AzumaHazuki> (and yes I know CBD doesn't get you high)
[01:50:35] <t3> it does, just not in an overt or very pleasant manner
[01:51:39] <aristarchus> The Redundant Bandit has hit aristarchus, as well as anti-aristarchus and Hazuki. How many mod-puppets can one rightwing user have?
[01:53:37] <Bytram> aristarchus: s/rightwing //
[01:53:37] <SedBot> <Bytram> <aristarchus> The Redundant Bandit has hit aristarchus, as well as anti-aristarchus and Hazuki. How many mod-puppets can one user have?
[01:55:33] <c0lo> One of the screening question I got yesterday before getting pfizered was about a history of heart inflamation (pericarditis), with the explanantion that in rare cases Pfizer can exacerbate the sympthoms.
[01:57:38] <aristarchus> Very specifically targeted downmods, so s/rightwing /rightwing/
[01:58:05] <Bytram> c0lo: I wonder if that was Pfizer-specific? What about Moderna? J&J? etc. IOW, how specific is this potential problem to the particular vaccine? Or is it endemic to all covid-19 vaccines?
[01:58:38] <c0lo> Have no idea. Ozland has only Astra or Pfizer.
[01:58:51] <tedious> From what I can tell without counting the reports myself all of the mrna vaaccines have a possible side effect of inflamation.
[01:59:11] <tedious> And it sounds like most of the deaths are either heart inflamation or blood clots.
[01:59:39] <tedious> The question is how many people are dying and not being reported?
[02:00:31] <tedious> If VAERS is at 11,000+ and only a fraction of them get reported what is the real adverse reaction rate?
[02:00:44] <c0lo> Given that it fights a virus that kills by cytokine storm, no wonder vaxxes have some effects on inflamation.
[02:01:28] <c0lo> The info offered to me said nothing of death by pericarditis, just increased symthoms.
[02:01:33] <tedious> But pericarditis isn't a well known symptom of acute covid is it?
[02:02:38] <c0lo> Because covid kills your lungs faster than it affects your pericardum? After all, long covids reported heart issues.
[02:02:53] <Bytram> =g COVID-19 pericarditis
[02:02:53] <systemd> https://www.cdc.gov - Myocarditis and Pericarditis Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination ...
[02:03:27] <tedious> Oh I just saw something about how none of the long covid patients tested had antibodies.
[02:04:01] <tedious> So now we might have a whole bunch of people running around with psychosomatic illnesses?
[02:04:37] <c0lo> (You're becoming tedious, tedious.
[02:04:50] <AzumaHazuki> aristarchus, i keep getting accused of sockpuppeting 9_9
[02:05:06] <AzumaHazuki> these fucksticks really can't seem to comprehend that i don't do that. meanwhile one of said ACs is very obviously runaway
[02:06:02] <aristarchus> Well, if you were sockpuppeting, that would explain why you are redundant! But if not, some other explanation is called for.
[02:07:37] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, https://www.cs.nmt.edu (grin)
[02:09:26] <AzumaHazuki> no, ari, i'm not
[02:09:36] <AzumaHazuki> i don't sockpuppet or post AC. I don't NEED TO
[02:10:04] <AzumaHazuki> and man does it ever bother the kind of modbombing asshole who does. i really think they can't comprehend it. they are so certain everyone else is as shitty as them
[02:11:25] <c0lo> "i really think they can't comprehend it" cognitive dissonance will do it and the afflicted will still survive, zumi
[02:12:20] <t3> the theory doesn't need to reflect reality for the strategy to work
[02:13:26] <AzumaHazuki> ah, yes, the Gettier problem
[02:20:47] <aristarchus> Guess I will go and become tedious, then.
[02:27:14] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.telegraph.co.uk
[02:27:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Anti-vaxxers Target BBC – but Protest at Building the Broadcaster Left Eight Years Ago" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:30:01] <c0lo> Old news, aristarchus, even the brit antivaxxers subsided.
[02:32:27] <c0lo> =submit keep-the-oil-pumping-you-idiots https://www.whitehouse.gov
[02:32:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Access Denied" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:33:04] <c0lo> Fuck, WH is well defended against bots... I guess.
[02:33:26] <c0lo> Lemme find an alternative.
[02:34:17] <c0lo> =submiy keep-pumping-idiots https://www.inquisitr.com
[02:34:31] <c0lo> =submit keep-pumping-idiots https://www.inquisitr.com
[02:34:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Joe Biden Urges OPEC to Pump More Oil Days After UN's Dire Climate Warning" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:35:26] <AzumaHazuki> reminder: neoliberals are not your friends
[02:37:25] <c0lo> =ssubmit https://www.theguardian.com
[02:37:40] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[02:37:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Highest Recorded Temperature of 48.8C in Europe Apparently Logged in Sicily" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:40:27] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1149/2.0801412jes https://pv-magazine-usa.com
[02:40:30] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ambri Secures $144 Million for Liquid Metal Battery Commercialization" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[02:46:05] <c0lo> That battery is junk - works at 600C+, calcium metal is only marginally safer that sodium, I think the NaS battery beats it pants down.
[02:47:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hacked Facebook Users Forced to Buy $300 Oculus VR Headset Just to Talk to Customer Support - https://sylnt.us - broken-promises
[02:49:13] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[02:49:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Algeria Forest Fires: at Least 65 People Killed as Fires Spread" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:35:51] <AzumaHazuki> Just another friendly reminder: every "conservative" accusation is a confession, a projection, or both. they bitch about their foes doing the things they have done, will do, are doing, or wish to do
[05:01:34] <c0lo> Where are my troll mod points for comments on IRC?
[05:01:48] <c0lo> bytram, ^^ any idea?
[05:15:09] <Runaway1956> I think it works like this c0lo
[05:15:33] <Runaway1956> c0lotroll--
[05:15:33] <Bender> karma - c0lotroll: -1
[05:16:00] <Runaway1956> or like this
[05:16:11] <Runaway1956> c0lonotatroll++
[05:16:11] <Bender> karma - c0lonotatroll: 1
[05:16:22] <c0lo> =submit sustainability-my-ass https://thehill.com
[05:16:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Michael Bloomberg Join Forces to Mine for Raw Materials in Greenland" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:17:01] <Runaway1956> But, but, but - aren't they progressives? They can do that!
[05:20:21] <c0lo> Bezos, Gates and Bloomberg... progressive, right. Your urge to build strawmen is too high to resist, Runaway?
[05:21:58] <c0lo> =submit https://thehill.com
[05:22:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03How Detroit Residents are Building Their Own Internet" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:25:08] <c0lo> =submit delta-makes-you-sneeze-more https://thehill.com
[05:25:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Signs You Have the Delta Variant are Different Than Original COVID-19" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:30:21] <c0lo> =submit merge with ^^^ https://covid.joinzoe.com
[05:30:23] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03What’s My Risk of COVID-19 After Vaccination?" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:31:06] <c0lo> "^^^ "Curiously, we did notice that people who had been vaccinated and then tested positive for COVID-19 were more likely to report sneezing as a symptom compared with those without a jab. "
[05:36:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World’s Strongest Glass that’s as Hard as Diamond Discovered - https://sylnt.us - hard-work
[06:04:44] <AzumaHazuki> huh, this means i may actually have had delta back in june
[06:04:58] <AzumaHazuki> i thought it was allergies and the generic flonase spray helped, but...?
[07:04:45] <chromas> https://i.kinja-img.com
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[07:36:59] <Ingar> or you may have had allergies
[07:38:38] <Ingar> I heard (from people with allergies) it's pretty bad this year
[07:39:53] <Ingar> the subtropical showers and the monsoons have been a blessing for most of the plantlife (except produce ofc)
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[08:15:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Norton and Avast are Merging into $8 Billion Antivirus Empire - https://sylnt.us
[08:18:17] <c0lo> aristarchus, you offensively fucked up the markup for https://soylentnews.org
[08:18:19] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of aristarchus (2645)
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[09:15:22] <lalbornoz> THIS SHIT CHAT MAKES ME SO FUCKING MAD IM GOING TO GO PUNCH A HOLE IN MY WALL
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[09:16:06] <lalbornoz> THIS SHIT CHAT MAKES ME SO FUCKING MAD IM GOING TO GO PUNCH A HOLE IN MY WALL
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[09:26:16] <lalbornoz> THIS SHIT CHAT MAKES ME SO FUCKING MAD IM GOING TO GO PUNCH A HOLE IN MY WALL COME TO IRC.SANDNGZ.NET FOR SOME REAL ACTION
[09:27:29] -!- lalbornoz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[09:27:43] -!- mode/#soylent [+b *!*@lalbornoz] by Aphrodite
[09:27:52] -!- mode/#soylent [+o chromas] by Aphrodite
[09:28:06] -!- mode/#soylent [+s #soylent] by chromas
[09:29:34] <chromas> Need a tarpit module for the ircd
[09:32:00] <boru> +s probably won't help now.
[09:32:19] <chromas> worked for previous spam bots
[09:32:25] <boru> You could +q $~a or set +R temporarily.
[09:32:41] <chromas> they weren't smart enough to store the channels :D
[09:32:45] <boru> Well, anyone writing a spam bot will cache chan lists on the first pass.
[09:32:58] <boru> Spamming is quite low brow, so it makes sense.
[09:33:46] <chromas> "Notice -- Excessive target change from lalbornoz_"
[09:33:51] <chromas> Haven't seen that before
[09:34:44] <boru> Stateful spam detection, I guess.
[09:37:06] <chromas> ah yes
[09:37:26] <chromas> looks like sending to too many channels and/or people at once
[09:38:21] * boru nods.
[09:41:23] <chromas> so a kline doesn't disconnect I guess
[09:47:17] <chromas> or work at all/ hm
[09:56:42] * FatPhil is now known as lolbonerz
[09:57:12] <FatPhil> It's possible to get even more lowbrow than spam bots
[10:06:22] <chromas> yeah but I'm already here and you can't get rid of me!
[10:13:55] <raxas> https://github.com
[10:13:56] <systemd> ^ 03lalbornoz - Overview
[11:06:15] <boru> Low brow, indeed, looking at the repos.
[11:06:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A New Way to Treat PTSD? - https://sylnt.us
[11:07:16] <boru> "Independent systems programmer" == unemployed skiddie
[11:35:50] <Ingar> aka Russian Hacker
[11:35:59] <Ingar> they program systems indepentently
[11:36:34] <Ingar> they even made letters dissapear
[11:46:00] <raxas> my bet: the guy is latticed and his server is now a police bait trap. the ops try luring more in since the yield of arrested is too low in a hot summer
[11:47:47] <boru> Also a possibility.
[11:48:53] <t3> does the weather outside have an effect on computer-crime rates?
[11:49:09] <boru> It has an effect on all crime rates.
[11:50:54] <t3> everythink I can find is related to robbery and violent crime
[11:57:08] <raxas> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[11:57:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Here’s a Closer Look at Apple’s Canceled AirPower Wireless Charger" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:43:38] -!- mode/#soylent [-b *!*@lalbornoz] by chromas
[12:44:27] * boru chuckles.
[12:44:33] -!- mode/#soylent [-s #soylent] by chromas
[12:44:39] <boru> Just noticed the mask. I think you got that wrong.
[12:44:54] <chromas> yeah, thanks services
[12:45:17] <chromas> I used chanserv and just passed the nick and that's what it picked
[12:45:28] <boru> Odd.
[12:45:31] <chromas> (to create the ban; obviously not to remove it)
[12:45:54] <chromas> .ban teste-test
[12:45:54] -!- mode/#soylent [+b *!*@teste-test] by Aphrodite
[12:45:56] <chromas> see
[12:46:04] * chromas blames Ethanol-fueled
[12:46:11] <chromas> .unban teste-test
[12:46:21] <chromas> and it can't even undo with the same string
[12:46:45] <chromas> .unban *!*@teste-test
[12:46:45] -!- mode/#soylent [-b *!*@teste-test] by Aphrodite
[12:48:46] * chromas glues his keyboard together
[12:48:49] <boru> The services perms seem a bit wonky on this server, also.
[12:48:57] <chromas> it's like an Apple keyboard but somehow worse
[12:49:05] <boru> Normal users can't see access lists, for example.
[12:49:11] <boru> Sort of defeats the purpose...
[12:49:23] * chromas shurgs
[12:49:45] <chromas> you can see your permissions if you have permissions :D
[12:51:03] <inz> If you don't, there's nothing to see anyway.
[12:52:01] <chromas> To quote a great writer, "No need to report that to him until we have something to report!"
[12:55:17] <Bytram> nonexistence of a null value hypothesis?
[12:55:36] <Bytram> what we have here is a failure to communicate.
[12:56:55] <Bytram> if the intended recipient did not get a message, was that because no message was sent, or there was a failure in transmitting a message?
[12:57:02] <Bytram> break time
[12:57:40] <janrinok> you've only just turned up! It cannot be break time already....?
[12:57:46] <chromas> if recipient didn't get a message, recipient wasn't recipient and doesn't deserve a message
[13:00:01] <chromas> he probably saw the subs list and decided it wasn't worth diving in :D
[13:00:46] <janrinok> fair point
[13:05:17] <chromas> Don't see anything interesting in my feed either. Time to close down for the day
[13:31:40] <progo> I need a fully robotic mr coffee and a rolling drone to bring my order from the kitchen to my office room in my apartment
[13:31:58] <progo> what I have right now is a keurig that recently quit
[13:32:52] <chromas> Gotta upgrade to the latest one with the most modernist DRM enhancements
[13:33:01] <progo> yeah that's never happening :^)
[13:33:13] <chromas> Take it apart!
[13:33:25] <chromas> Makea youtubes video
[13:33:54] <progo> I want to pay someone else to take it apart and fix whatever is making the pump quit. that business type isn't viable anymore though
[13:34:09] <boru> Pft, amateur. Real Men™ have a coffee machine set up in their lab by their computer.
[13:34:25] <progo> real men use unbreakable french presses
[13:34:43] <boru> I have broken those.
[13:35:22] <boru> But on a more serious note, if you're lucky, the pump housing isn't a custom shot moulded part to fit into the machine, and you could just get a CotS replacement for it.
[13:35:24] <chromas> You're not heating your coffee with your PC's cooling loop?
[13:35:29] <boru> If it is the pump that's broken, that is.
[13:35:33] <raxas> you guys underestimate both negative information and negative communication
[13:35:45] <boru> My water loop runs too cold for hot coffee.
[13:35:56] <chromas> You're not computing enough
[13:36:01] <boru> 88C is usually about right for most beans I use.
[13:36:11] <progo> boru: it's either the pump or the part that senses the correct amount of water is flowing or has flowed
[13:36:19] <raxas> for may machines, my failure to report nothing to report causes blue alert
[13:36:39] <t3> https://i.pinimg.com
[13:37:02] <boru> On the contrary, I've heavily OC'd this CPU but it doesn't break a sweat under heavy load for an hour or two.
[13:37:04] <progo> t3++
[13:37:04] <Bender> karma - t3: 5
[13:37:41] <boru> Flow meters are usually CotS parts, so you're probably in luck either way.
[13:37:50] <chromas> Is cold brew a hipster thing?
[13:37:52] <boru> It could also be using a weight sensor for the flow measurement, though.
[13:37:58] <boru> No, it's not.
[13:38:06] <boru> Cold brew is quite pleasant when done properly.
[13:38:17] <progo> yes
[13:46:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Got Plans For Sept. 24, 2182? This Big Asteroid Might, Too - https://sylnt.us - that's-only-161-years-from-now!
[13:48:37] <chromas> Big-ass teroid
[13:50:19] <progo> "it's wider than the empire state building is tall" -- spoken before giving any actual figures
[13:50:42] <chromas> =yt empire state human
[13:50:42] <progo> is there a course in journalism school where they teach you to not report solid facts in science stories like this?
[13:50:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Empire State Human (03:14; 5,656 views; 👍98 👎7)
[13:50:57] <FatPhil> I'm not saying cold brew is a hipster thing, it's just that the hipsters were drinking it before you'd even heard of it.
[13:51:55] <progo> FatPhil: yes. I remember Little Brother by Cory Doctorow, some years ago. there was a young girl in it -- maybe 17 years old -- drank concentrated cold brew and poured sriraca on everything including breakfast cereal
[13:53:37] <raxas> 17 is too young for coffee
[13:53:47] <progo> probably
[13:53:55] <progo> he should be chastised for writing her that way
[13:53:57] <progo> :^)
[13:54:23] <progo> girls mature faster though
[13:54:56] <progo> I was drinking coffee occasionally when I was 16 or 17. helping out with night school classes in my high school. I liked the girl who got the job selling the coffee at break time :^)
[13:55:13] <progo> I gave my first lecture during that job. good times
[13:55:18] <progo> never became a teacher
[13:57:30] <FatPhil> I kinda liked being a lecturer, in another world, I can imagine returning to that job.
[13:58:28] <raxas> =submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[13:58:29] <systemd> raxas, 04submit failed: Bloomberg is racist against robots!
[13:58:40] <progo> lol!
[13:58:55] <raxas> bot is racist against chips
[13:59:55] <systemd> chips aren't even real people
[14:00:07] <FatPhil> until they incorporate
[14:05:37] <Ingar> girls don't mature faster, they enter puberty earlier
[14:05:58] <tedious> Couldn't american companies have restarted their closed up chip factories in the usa by now?
[14:06:04] <Ingar> but in my experience, the 20yo boys started to get some adult reponsiblity, while the 20 yo girls were still fighting girl clan wars
[14:06:30] <tedious> It's not like those little logic gate chips need trillion dollar fabs like cpus do.
[14:06:41] <progo> Ingar: I just witness a podcast of two over-45-years-old men dissolve like a high school partnership
[14:07:07] <progo> dispute was relating to how to deal with a troll in the chat room
[14:07:09] <tedious> progo: Which podcast was that?
[14:07:14] <progo> Grumpy Old Bens
[14:07:28] <progo> *witnessed
[14:07:34] <Ingar> americans are a separate category
[14:07:37] <tedious> That sounds familiar but I don't think I ever listened to it.
[14:07:38] <progo> ha ha
[14:07:44] <FatPhil> girls scheme, boys fight. Not sure which is more mature. One's more testosterone-fueled, that's all I know.
[14:07:51] <Ingar> I"m not sure american boys and girls ever enter adulthood
[14:07:57] <raxas> girls fight their clan wars in 50+ too
[14:08:26] <Ingar> raxa, FatPhil my girlfriend in my student days was living in a girl-only dorm
[14:08:31] <Ingar> OMG
[14:09:41] <FatPhil> forced space sharing can bring out the worst in anyone.
[14:09:53] * progo pees in the corner
[14:10:39] <chromas> next, pee in the spot...light
[14:10:42] <FatPhil> marking territory?
[14:10:53] <Ingar> FatPhil: I knew many people living in mixedgender dorms (myself included), it never was that bad
[14:11:07] <chromas> it's called signing the guestbook. dogs are still on web 1.0
[14:11:44] <FatPhil> never lived in a dorm, don't know the dynamics
[14:13:11] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[14:13:14] <systemd> ^ 03Craycle FPV ORCA | 3D Printed RC Plane - Build
[14:14:23] <FatPhil> Well, I know Calhoun's experiments with rats, obviously, and to be honest, I'd expect them to scale quite well.
[14:33:56] <tedious> Is that the one where too many rats in the same cage went crazy and all died out?
[14:34:29] <t3> humans have similar food preferences and social habits to rats, but I think our long lives and cooperative resource gathering would lead to the situation playing out differently
[14:34:42] <FatPhil> yeah, rat utopia -. rat city
[14:35:21] <tedious> Utopia?
[14:35:39] <t3> https://demystifyingscience.com
[14:35:40] <systemd> ^ 03John B. Calhoun and his Rat Utopia
[14:36:13] <tedious> Doesn't sound like utopia to me when they're all going crazy and dying. :)
[14:38:27] <FatPhil> yes, it started off as a utopia, and then he removed the space, -. was supposed to be ->
[14:38:50] <FatPhil> it had all they could want
[14:52:24] <raxas> selfburning electrobikes in local media. two standing alone at the same time. seems like a remote hack to me
[15:03:58] <Runaway1956> now this is really funny guys - https://soylentnews.org
[15:03:59] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Obscure foundation funding "Critical Race Theory" hysteria ( https://soylentnews.org )
[15:04:31] <Runaway1956> It shouldn't be necessary for me to point out that is not my comment
[15:05:17] <janrinok> but you just did anyway .....
[15:07:35] <janrinok> someone did exactly the same to me the other day.
[15:08:36] <Runaway1956> Is it fitting that the journal post has been buried in a ton of spam?
[15:08:42] <Runaway1956> Weird shit . . .
[15:09:30] <Runaway1956> I seem to have missed it when they did you like that janrinock
[15:11:27] <janrinok> last week sometime - I'm not going to go looking for it now, I'm just working on some code.
[15:13:01] <Runaway1956> Don't have too much fun with the code!
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[15:30:00] <c0lo> Oh, wow, exceptional incentive to get vaxxed https://www.ktvu.com
[15:30:01] <systemd> ^ 03Arnold Schwarzenegger says anyone who doesn't get vaccinated is a schmuck
[15:38:54] <FatPhil> Has Arnie become yiddish in his hold age? What would his Austrian family say!?!?
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[16:08:13] <raxas> I suggest again: make negative mods consuming more modpoints. it's a market solution to the problem. if there is a large demand for negative mods, make them more expensive
[16:08:58] <raxas> can't understand why capitalists like you all don't see that solution
[16:12:43] <raxas> another (cybernetically) good regulation option would be a negative mod consumes modder's karma too
[16:13:07] <AzumaHazuki> Better ideas: no more AC posting
[16:13:20] <AzumaHazuki> the feature is not being used in good faith
[16:14:16] <raxas> that solves nothing, brings only created new accounts avalanche to the database
[16:16:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Poo, New You? Fecal Transplants Reverse Signs of Brain Aging in Mice - https://sylnt.us - hm...
[16:19:33] <t3> better to get rid of moderation than AC
[16:20:32] <t3> I think placebo downmod moderation (only you can see downmods) would be a good solution
[16:22:13] <AzumaHazuki> a better solution would be the admin team being serious about enforcing their own goddamn rules and doing so evenhandedly
[16:22:14] <raxas> it's just some military cyberunit training cybertroops for socnets operations, as a demonstration. or sick academic research. too much time resources for one person
[16:25:44] <raxas> in cybernetics, any simple arithmetic solution to some regulation requires well understood parametric system, for the first. human crowd, is not such
[16:26:13] <progo> obviously we need to hire a bunch of pigeons to mod the humans
[16:26:34] <AzumaHazuki> huh, that apk bot is spamming Ari's journal. I dropped like 5 Spam mods on it but it looks like the thing got past whatever lameness filter there is
[16:35:00] <FatPhil> I'd forgotten how much I enjoy live music!
[16:35:27] <FatPhil> I never knew I was capable of rocking out to a bagpipe solo before
[16:38:46] <raxas> try rocking on guzheng solo, that would be really tough
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[16:44:09] <FatPhil> embedded in ethnotechno like this, even that might be polssible
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[18:00:35] <Runaway1956> I've used several Arch distros - never have installed Arch according to the official install guide
[18:00:39] <Runaway1956> doing it now in a VM
[18:01:07] <Runaway1956> First strangeness I've encountered is - stuff downloads fast!
[18:01:36] <Runaway1956> I guess I have to blame my ISP having a good day - surely Arch isn't special for download speeds
[18:02:20] <Runaway1956> Second strangeness - for all this work, I'm still downloading executable binaries from a trusted server, just like any other distro
[18:02:57] <Runaway1956> Do I gain anything over installing Suse, Debian, or whatever?
[18:03:01] <Runaway1956> Also - systemd
[18:03:39] <requerdanos> you get to type "pacman", reliving your arcade glory days
[18:04:15] <Runaway1956> oh yes - PACMAN
[18:04:25] <Runaway1956> oops, I thought BATMAN for a moment there
[18:07:00] * Runaway1956 shudders to imagine doing Arch install on old 2 meg DSL connection
[18:11:30] <Ingar> arch is my main os
[18:12:25] <Ingar> requerdanos: there's an undocumented pacman option that actually shows pacman
[18:12:43] <Ingar> I have it enabled somewhere but I think on a machine that's currently offline
[18:14:00] <Ingar> currently running a rather interesting ddrescue
[18:14:31] <progo> Runaway1956: you get to say "Also, I run arch."
[18:15:02] <Ingar> arch is ok, if it explodes it usually your own damn fault
[18:15:19] <Runaway1956> Yeah, well, I've run it before, albeit from a prepackaged distro
[18:15:21] <progo> I prefer ubuntu, where you can't immediately place blame for an explosion
[18:15:41] * Runaway1956 loves beaudacious explosions
[18:15:59] <Runaway1956> the best explosions destroy all evidence of blame
[18:16:02] <Ingar> ILoveCandy in pacman.conf btw
[18:16:16] <progo> some day I'll learn how to write a systemd service config file. some day.
[18:16:18] <Runaway1956> hmmmm - I'll try that ingar
[18:16:52] <Ingar> 'Edit pacman.conf and under the Misc options just add "ILoveCandy".' anonymous_user on some_internet_site
[18:17:35] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[18:17:37] <systemd> ^ 03How to Enable ILoveCandy in your Terminal. ( Pacman )
[18:18:00] <Ingar> Arch users read websites!
[18:18:07] <Ingar> (mostly the wiki)
[18:18:15] * Runaway1956 is a luser lol
[18:19:05] <raxas> I well remember arch was created by several freaks who were unable to maintain their own gentoo installations properly. for exactly that reason.
[18:19:33] <Runaway1956> Bingo. This looks like Gentoo dumbed down a little
[18:19:50] <inz> How can you dumb down gentoo
[18:19:57] <inz> Oh right, not the users, the distro itself.
[18:24:10] <Ingar> gentoo's compiling thing is just a waste of time
[18:24:37] <Ingar> every distro has specific use cases ofc, but that's the reason why I picked arch over gentoo
[18:24:49] <Ingar> that, and gentoo destroyed some configs in my $HOME
[18:26:32] <Runaway1956> One nice thing - I've eliminated all the various fonts, and only installed NOTO fonts
[18:26:51] * Teckla used FreeBSD way back, and very quickly decided compiling ports yourself suuuucked
[18:27:00] <Runaway1956> fonts irritate the shit out of me sometimes
[18:27:27] <Ingar> Teckla: I ran LinuxFromScratch before :D
[18:27:29] <progo> cleartype irritates the shit out of me in windows. it's hard-coded on in a lot of windows-specific app frameworks (and GTK for Windows)
[18:27:43] <progo> where it's hard-coded, it's the WRONG sub-pixel order if you turn your display. and you can't change it
[18:27:57] <Teckla> Ingar: Ack!
[18:28:24] <raxas> gentoo portage mishappened as a poor man's imitation of bsd ports. the poor man himself then defected to microsoft
[18:28:26] <progo> Runaway1956: I'll take any fonts in any Linux front-end environment, over the cleartype shit show in Windows
[18:28:39] <Ingar> Teckla: I did have some router-boxes running FreeBSD though
[18:28:53] * progo is a in an employer-owned Windows jail
[18:29:01] <Ingar> it did have some nice things and looked less messy than a linux distro in general
[18:29:19] <raxas> that says a lot about gentoo. and arch, is a degraded imitation of gentoo itself
[18:29:53] <Ingar> yet microsoft us running ubuntu in WSL
[18:30:02] <Ingar> s/us/is/
[18:30:02] <SedBot> <Ingar> yet microsoft is running ubuntu in WSL
[18:30:27] <Ingar> raxas: the truth is, computers suck
[18:30:37] <Runaway1956> You would think that by now, all the warnings and crap would be automagically piped to a file for perusal after everything finishes
[18:30:39] <Ingar> I should have become a carpenter or a gardener or something
[18:31:13] <Runaway1956> You have to be brown skinned to be a carpenter or gardener these days
[18:31:17] <Ingar> Runaway1956: there actually is a log file, but it's easier just not to bother too much
[18:31:55] <Runaway1956> yeah, but you have to scroll down through it searching for warnings and errors
[18:32:13] <Runaway1956> that log is LONG when installing 850 packages, lol
[18:32:54] <Ingar> it easier to jsut search for .pacnew files
[18:33:13] <Ingar> and in most cases delete the new one anyway
[18:33:37] <Runaway1956> pacman can't find console - does that mean I won't have a terminal?
[18:36:46] <Runaway1956> well, it's broke - systemctl can't find sddm service
[18:36:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 4th Person in US Mysteriously Stricken with Deadly Bacteria from South Asia - https://sylnt.us - sure.-why-not.
[18:38:13] <raxas> the fundamental problem with all package managers is, their authors did not understood logic programming. so they tried to reinvent unification and deduction in their package managers, badly
[18:38:51] <raxas> because of that, collapses of whole installations time to time are unavoidable, in current generation of software
[18:39:42] <raxas> one important thing they all missed is topological continuity when replacing versions
[18:39:57] * AzumaHazuki switched onto Artix (Arch but no systemd) a while back just because Gentoo takes too damn long even on modern-ish hardware
[18:40:22] <raxas> so they have holes (in topological sense) in the whole structure of versioning
[18:40:32] <Runaway1956> Well, I have pacman, but no DE
[18:40:33] <raxas> and that breaks things
[18:40:47] <AzumaHazuki> so what's your solution, slackware? lfs?
[18:41:36] * Runaway1956 wonders if he can find the original Unix
[18:42:10] <raxas> I am on freebsd for routine operations, using linux only for experiments
[18:42:29] <AzumaHazuki> freebsd does sound nice. i might switch at some point
[18:44:16] <inz> I would probably go OpenBSD if I bothered to change.
[18:44:39] <t3> openbsd is the most pleasant nix if you choose hw wisely
[18:45:12] <inz> The shell sucks with utf8 though
[18:46:48] <raxas> there were two factors for me to switch to fbsd: better network stack, and unicode console. the third now is uefi framebuffer for xorg, I do not use GPU drivers for their unstability
[18:47:27] <raxas> another good reason is true filesystem, zfs
[18:48:15] <raxas> meanwhile, bhyve virtualization happened. technically superior. jails are superior to linux containers too
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[18:49:13] * HungryBear grabs halibut and starts chewing
[18:49:42] * HungryBear munches Iambchop
[18:49:56] * HungryBear sniffs FatPhil
[18:50:38] * HungryBear swats at aqu4bot
[18:50:51] <raxas> #smack HungryBear
[18:51:09] * HungryBear sits on raxas
[18:51:39] <HungryBear> what happened to all the soycows?
[18:51:44] <HungryBear> those are good eating!
[18:52:38] * HungryBear wanders off in search of more food
[18:53:32] <FatPhil> Don't let the plug of resin get stuck up your arse on the way out
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[19:24:49] <raxas> ‘He avoided double death?’ Man killed by Covid was spared ‘worse condition’ because he was fully vaxxed, reassuring report claims
[19:24:56] <raxas> texas...
[19:25:47] <raxas> https://twitter.com
[19:26:28] <raxas> now explain to me how this is not a stockholm syndrome
[19:30:58] <AzumaHazuki> sounds to me like he would have died sooner and nastier otherwise...?
[19:31:34] <AzumaHazuki> for my part, i'm fully vaccinated, but also taking magnesium + D3, C, B-complex, and drinking blood-thinning teas (ginger, pine needle powder, or fennel) daily
[19:33:26] * Runaway1956 eats some chocolate to ward off the covids
[19:34:32] <Runaway1956> alright, I'm trashing the arch linux VM - stuff don't work
[19:35:30] <t3> what's the problem with it?
[19:35:50] <Runaway1956> ditto for the void linux install I spent most of a day on
[19:36:45] <Runaway1956> it can't install console, not available for pacman to install
[19:36:56] <Runaway1956> and sddm service isn't availabe either
[19:37:15] <Runaway1956> I may start over using a different desktop
[19:37:41] <Runaway1956> or, I may start over with a better packaged distro or arch
[19:37:55] <t3> the aur has pretty much everything if you're willing to wait for it to compile
[19:38:28] <t3> and Pkgfiles are simple shell scripts, easy to write your own
[19:38:30] <Runaway1956> that was another problem - the aur package manager wouldn't install either - I think it was as
[19:39:00] <t3> you don't need an aur manager, just git, the makepkg command should be built in
[19:40:12] <Runaway1956> makepkg installed correctly, as did git - I probably could have worked things out if I stayed with it
[19:40:47] <Runaway1956> I didn't state that correctly
[19:41:07] <Runaway1956> the equivalent of build-essentials installed correctly, makepkg was part of that
[20:18:20] <progo> I dumped a work project from my company Windows laptop to my cloud Ubuntu VM, and moved from my office to the bedroom where there's AC, and pulled out a netbook to try to get some work done with AC…
[20:18:20] <progo> Visual Studio and Git: omg all your files have modified status because they're LF line endings in git (auto-translated) and CRLF line endings in the working copy (cloned from Windows)
[20:18:21] <progo> grr...
[20:18:30] <progo> **Visual Studio Code
[20:20:09] <FatPhil> don't auto-translate?
[20:20:09] <progo> I'll probably just keep the project on the cloud VM until it ends
[20:21:14] <progo> I just stashed one uncomitted file and then hard reset, then unstashed
[20:22:19] <progo> reminds me of a nice little specification hack in Mercurial DVCS that most people don't know about. instead of some big complicated algorithm and heuristic to differentiate a text file from a binary file in Mercurial, the spec says one single line: binary files contain 0x00 bytes. text files do not.
[20:22:33] <progo> you can't use UTF-16, but probably you shouldn't be, anyway :^)
[20:23:15] <progo> (Mercurial WILL try to compare and patch text files. it will not try to do so with binary files.)
[20:26:36] <FatPhil> Can someone with god powers either gimme some more modpoints, or do the obvious spam moderation on https://soylentnews.org
[20:26:40] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of aristarchus (2645)
[20:29:03] <progo> "can someone with god powers"… okay I'm with AzumaHazuki now. phase out AC
[20:30:03] <progo> better yet: accept AC posts everywhere but completely hide them from anyone logged in :^)
[20:30:38] <FatPhil> you can set AC posts to be collapsed, or even not shown, in your default view
[20:30:52] <progo> yeah but it'd be fun to shadowban them system-wide
[20:31:03] <progo> too complicated. just disable the whole idea
[20:32:24] <AzumaHazuki> see?
[20:32:33] <AzumaHazuki> no one listens to Cassandra^W Marissa, dammit
[20:37:55] <AzumaHazuki> holy fuck, LOL https://twitter.com
[20:47:16] <progo> what happens of Portland Man marries Florida Man?
[20:47:19] <progo> *if
[20:59:55] <Ingar> I need my share of virgin blood twice every full moon
[21:00:03] <Ingar> It keeps the skin young
[21:07:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China-led Study Finds Way to Reverse a Loss of Eyesight - https://sylnt.us - OIC
[21:21:58] <Teckla> I third banning AC posts :)
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[21:28:08] <SoyCow7861> =asub https://www.ifixit.com
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[21:48:09] <Runaway1956> Honey did what honey does best - went shopping and spent a bunch of money
[21:48:30] <Runaway1956> I walk past the kitchen counter, and chuckle at the package of stainless steel straws
[21:48:42] <Runaway1956> I know we don't have a bottle washer that will fit in those things
[21:49:05] <Runaway1956> walk back past - look a little closer, and the straws are packaged with a little bitty bottle washer
[21:49:15] <Runaway1956> I suppose they're alright
[21:49:16] <FatPhil> reeds have become popular here
[21:49:36] <Runaway1956> Lots of flute players?
[21:49:59] <FatPhil> more reeds on an oboe or clarinet
[21:50:13] <Runaway1956> You've heard that piccolo player joke?
[21:50:33] <FatPhil> no, I'd rather tulips on my organ
[21:51:00] <Runaway1956> https://troupecal.wordpress.com
[21:51:00] <systemd> ^ 03The Piccolo Player
[21:51:02] <chromas> What kind of flute has reeds? Know your blow, man!
[21:51:22] <Runaway1956> That would probably be better if I searched Youtube -
[21:52:27] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[21:52:30] <systemd> ^ 03"Piccolo Player" By Robin Harris
[21:55:17] <FatPhil> etno band earlier had a very weird instrument that was kinda flute-like, but I couldn't work out how on earth she was getting all the different notes. And I've played both clarinet, flute, and every size of recorder my fingers could reach. I thought I knew woodwind tech.
[21:57:33] <FatPhil> she plays in on one of the songs in this set: https://www.youtube.com
[21:57:36] <systemd> ^ 03Trad.Attack! - Full Performance (Live on KEXP)
[21:58:23] <Runaway1956> Revisiting Arch install, using this guide and script - https://techhut.tv
[21:58:24] <systemd> ^ 03Installing Arch Linux the EASY WAY! - archfi Guide - TechHut
[21:58:41] <Runaway1956> I guess I'm just feeling masochistic today
[21:59:22] <Runaway1956> I've got a weird blend of arch builds and downloaded binaries
[21:59:33] <Runaway1956> should find out how well it works soon
[22:00:17] <Runaway1956> Right now it's building GUI pacman helpers
[22:02:32] <raxas> now this is a real problem: concentration camps in USA. Tennessee, governor Bill Lee's executive order #83
[22:03:08] <raxas> https://publications.tnsosfiles.com
[22:06:51] <Runaway1956> I skimmed down through it, what's the concentration camp bit of that?
[22:07:41] <Runaway1956> Of course, they'll never take me alive, so I'm not terribly worried about concentration camps
[22:07:50] <raxas> Paragraph 8
[22:08:58] <raxas> well, I am not worried too, for obvious reason, but some americans are freeaking about it already
[22:10:15] <Runaway1956> I still don't see concentration camp - all I see is an authorization for medical personnel to work in the state, even if they may not be certified for some of the medical related tasks
[22:10:27] <Runaway1956> ambulance drivers, etc
[22:10:32] <raxas> they call it newspeak "alternate care sites"
[22:11:01] <Runaway1956> Well, if they actually open a concentration camp, I'll get in line to free the inmates
[22:11:29] <Runaway1956> I don't move as fast as I used to, but I can still tag along and help make things fun for the Nazis
[22:13:06] <chromas> you are fake news!
[22:13:11] <chromas> sddm is in the repos
[22:13:31] <Runaway1956> Huh - Bill Lee is a repugnacan - I thought all the authoritarians were Dems
[22:14:10] <Runaway1956> s&m is in the repos?
[22:14:24] <chromas> yes
[22:15:02] <chromas> that's in the packages systemd and systemd-libs
[22:15:20] <raxas> this is just a probe. if people pass it ignorantly, other states will follow
[22:28:36] <AzumaHazuki> you know, the Nazis got the idea for concentration camps from the British, who got it from the US
[22:29:12] <FatPhil> who got it from africa
[22:29:21] <FatPhil> via intermediates
[22:29:41] <FatPhil> the pyramids didn't build themselves
[22:37:42] <chromas> sure they did
[22:37:56] <chromas> they were SmartPyramids. IoT and everything
[22:40:36] <Bytram> FatPhil: On prod, each nickname that is eligible for mod point gets the same amount as any other: 10 points per day issued at 00:10 UTC
[22:44:39] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://arstechnica.com from the NOW-can-we-call-them-a-death-cult?! dept.
[22:44:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03School Mask Battles Rage on as More Children Fall Ill, Fill Hospitals" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:45:00] <AzumaHazuki> the GOP: literally sacrificing your children for politics!
[23:19:24] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[23:19:25] <systemd> ^ 03Rivian eyeing Ford Worth, Texas, as location for its next factory ( https://www.cnet.com )
[23:20:32] <Bytram> Ford(!) Worth, Texas?
[23:55:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Detroit Residents are Building Their Own Internet - https://sylnt.us - true-digital-liberty