#soylent | Logs for 2021-08-08

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[00:40:21] <Bytram> seems to have some *serious* chops on bass!
[00:40:26] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[00:40:27] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Mina_gf_band Youtube | Mina Gf Band Lost Umbrella | Mina Gf Band Golden Wind | Mina Gf Band Reaction (02:47; 8 views; 👍0 👎0)
[00:41:08] <Bytram> plays seemingly effortlessly, too!
[00:45:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 2 Out of 3 Americans Say They Would Take a Pay Cut to Work Remotely Full Time - https://sylnt.us - easier/cheaper-commute
[01:09:43] <Bytram> .
[01:09:50] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[01:09:52] <systemd> https://youtube.com - GIRLFRIEND / FULL HOUSE MUSIC VIDEO -Full ver.- (04:22; 259,486 views; 👍6,153 👎40)
[01:11:39] <Bytram> Didn't understand a word of what they were singing, and did not have to... wow!
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[01:13:06] <Bytram> boru: o/
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[02:24:17] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[02:24:20] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Delta Infections Among Vaccinated Likely Contagious; Lambda Variant Shows Vaccine Resistance in Lab" (42p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:29:15] <c0lo_> =submit counter-china-covid-probing https://news.mit.edu
[02:29:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Device Can Diagnose Covid-19 From Saliva Samples" (43p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:31:33] <Runaway1956> Saliva samples are a lot easier than booger samples. I'd rather pick my nose in private, than have a nurse use a swab on me.
[02:34:03] <c0lo_> What about getting a chinese anal covid probing in public, Runaway1956?
[02:34:40] <Runaway1956> To be perfectly honest - I'm not real sure
[02:34:52] <Runaway1956> My first nasal swab was a real bitch
[02:35:10] <Runaway1956> subsequent nasal swabs have merely been uncomfortable
[02:35:36] <Runaway1956> However - at my age, a whole bunch of people are interested in my rectal region
[02:35:53] <c0lo_> =submit oh-those-russians https://www.codastory.com
[02:35:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Putin’s Vaccine PR Backfires in Latin America - Coda Story" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:36:07] <Runaway1956> If not for the indignity of dropping your drawers, the rectal swabs might not be so bad
[02:41:03] <c0lo_> =submit doi-10.1038/s41560-021-00849-y https://techxplore.com
[02:41:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Study Reveals an Increase in the Frequency of Nuclear Power Outages Caused by Climate Change" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:44:04] <c0lo_> =submit https://spectrum.ieee.org
[02:46:10] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[02:46:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03EU Crisis Meeting to Discuss Surge of Migrants From Belarus to Lithuania" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:48:28] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.telesurenglish.net
[02:48:29] <systemd> c0lo_, 04submit failed: Parse failed
[02:48:45] <c0lo_> =submit https://wikileaks.org
[02:48:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03WikiLeaks - the Intolerance Network" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:48:56] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.telesurenglish.net
[02:48:57] <systemd> c0lo_, 04submit failed: Parse failed
[02:49:26] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.pv-magazine.com
[02:49:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Multi-day Iron-air Batteries Reach Commercialization" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:08:03] <t3> hmm, each battery is the size of a washing machine apparently
[03:28:06] <progo> it's meant for large scale power storage, not for houses or vehicles
[03:28:34] <progo> I looked at the site linked from the article though. there is nothing there but a photo of a girl in a lab, and a CGI painting of what they hope to sell some day
[03:28:45] <progo> show me a photo of a prototype in action
[03:48:01] <Bytram> progo: you came >< this close to asking to be struck by lightning ')
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[04:54:09] <progo> Bytram, what?
[04:56:56] <raxas> iron batteries were patented 1901 by edison himself, send my thanks to oil industry owners for burying this tech, spoiling the 20th century and destroying the planet
[04:58:41] <raxas> next in a row is water engine, people try to invent this time to time but keep dying soon after succeeded
[05:00:16] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[05:00:19] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Sky News Australia to Face Senate Inquiry After Week-long YouTube Suspension" (28p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:06:38] <AzumaHazuki> show me a working water engine, raxas?
[05:07:33] <requerdanos> I think what raxas was pointing out was the super-high death rate among researchers into water engines, not how effective they are.
[05:08:11] <requerdanos> It's uncanny how likely you are to die in an accident if you schedule a demonstration of your water engine under development
[05:08:25] <progo> I wanna know what bytram meant. I can't parse it unless somehow something I said was offensive
[05:08:34] <AzumaHazuki> well, civilization has maybe 20 years left...so the psychopaths "won."
[05:08:53] <AzumaHazuki> note the scare quotes. all they've done is ensured they'll die a little later than the rest of us
[05:11:07] <raxas> it's not trivial tech, a combination of "hydrogen and oxygen just burns" and https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:11:08] <systemd> ^ 03Kelvin water dropper - Wikipedia
[05:17:30] <raxas> most funny part of deleted history is, ancient romans took this dropper from ancient egyptians
[05:18:21] <raxas> banned by the cult later but illuminati still keep that documented
[05:23:34] <raxas> post modern approach to kelvin dropper https://www.youtube.com
[05:23:37] <systemd> ^ 03Extracting 6,000 volts from Crappy Coffee (Coffinator 6000)
[05:24:28] <progo> I can get 10kV in the winter by rubbing my cat
[05:24:46] <progo> The water thing looks like a fun home experiment though.
[05:25:57] <raxas> when you get enough water plasma from tiny droplets under high pressure you can begin enventing the water engine
[05:27:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The US Navy's New Solar Aircraft Will Fly for 90 Days Without Landing - https://sylnt.us - target-practice?
[05:38:02] <AzumaHazuki> the water engine looks like something that needs more energy than it produces
[05:54:00] <t3> looks like it could be combined with a trompe
[06:16:54] <FatPhil> I get 20kV from combing my hair. Is someone confusing power with voltage?
[06:19:44] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: water with plenty of potential energy is not hard to come by, but turbines are the sensible way of converting that to electricity.
[06:44:52] <raxas> yeah, "sensible"
[06:44:57] <raxas> =submit https://edition.cnn.com
[06:45:02] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08A California Reservoir is Expected to Fall So Low That a Hydro-power Plant Will Shut Down for First " (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:08:18] <FatPhil> The US's inability to do something even drunken Scots can do doesn't mean the thing can't be done.
[07:09:08] <FatPhil> Just give me efficiency figures for the two methods, and we can talk science rather than snark.
[07:32:16] <raxas> 512kV is the treshold for a phase transition. easy reachable by common engineering. that's the maximum of information I am willing to share with strangers on this topic
[07:48:33] <c0lo_> Good. The less nonsense, the better the strangers are.
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[08:56:10] <chromas> I dunno how anyone got lightning out of what progo said, but he's right—CGI rendering of a project with no photos is at least a 99% guarantee it's vaporware bs, like those water-from-air scams or Elon's fart tunnel
[10:06:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Plans to Spend $60 Billion to $120 Billion on New Fab Complex - https://sylnt.us - “A-billion-here,-a-billion-there,-and-pretty-soon-you're-talking-real-money."
[10:16:34] <FatPhil> Q: "give me efficiency" (measured as ratios) A: "volts". Have you ever wondered why people think you're a bit loopy?
[10:19:53] <raxas> efficiency depends on design. like efficiency of petrol engines differ greatly by design. it was a stupid question of you. I relayed a key information instead. take it, or forget
[10:22:40] <FatPhil> False. Modern water turbines operate at mechanical efficiencies greater than 90%.
[10:23:04] <FatPhil> That is the answer to a question about efficiencies, not loopy loonie-tunes gibbering.
[10:25:04] <raxas> simple ddg query on "water engine" will provide you all information you ask, both about efficiencies and quite long list of dead inventors
[10:27:16] <c0lo_> =w proton proton chain
[10:27:16] <FatPhil> you were the one making wishy-washy claims about the technology, I was just asking you for hard numbers to back up those claims.
[10:27:17] <systemd> The proton–proton chain, also commonly referred to as the p-p chain, is one of two known sets of nuclear fusion reactions by which stars convert hydrogen - https://en.wikipedia.org–proton_chain
[10:27:20] <FatPhil> you failed.
[10:27:49] <c0lo_> the only way to create more energy than the one you put in
[10:28:11] <chromas> hehe...p-p chain
[10:28:13] <FatPhil> However, in order to try to ensure "less nonsense" to keep c0lo happy is to disengage.
[10:28:38] <FatPhil> modulo grammar
[10:28:59] <chromas> how divisive
[10:29:52] <c0lo_> not divisive. Just circular
[10:30:36] <chromas> is that how you execute modulo operation?
[10:30:38] <c0lo_> =w multiplicative group modulo
[10:30:38] <systemd> integers form a group under multiplication modulo n, called the multiplicative group of integers modulo n. Equivalently, the elements of this group can be thought - https://en.wikipedia.org
[10:30:48] <chromas> while(!remainds){;}
[10:31:53] <FatPhil> number theory is my thang - don't start me
[10:32:20] <chromas> If I start you up....if I start you you'll never stop
[10:32:22] <c0lo_> Good, FatPhil. Start number practice then
[10:32:27] * chromas installs Windows 95 into FatPhil
[10:45:01] <c0lo_> =doi 10.1038/news070910-13
[10:45:02] <systemd> Journal Reference: Ball, Philip. Burning water and other myths, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/news070910-13">10.1038/news070910-13</a>)
[10:46:04] <c0lo_> Has to be the shortest paper published so far.
[10:57:09] <FatPhil> all hail "the awesome lack of enquiry and critical thought"
[11:13:43] <FatPhil> technically, that's just a column, not a paper, better to not muddy the waters. you wouldn't want mud in the water, it prevents it from being used as fuel!
[11:31:11] <c0lo_> It's not mud, just a way to produce organic hydrogen efficiently.
[11:31:15] <c0lo_> =doi 10.1039/B905974A
[11:31:18] <systemd> Journal Reference: Bryan K. Boggs, Rebecca L. King, Gerardine G. Botte. Urea electrolysis: direct hydrogen production from urine, <cite>Chemical Communications</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1039/B905974A">10.1039/B905974A</a>)
[11:32:12] <c0lo_> PDF available https://www.researchgate.net
[11:32:13] <systemd> ^ 03(PDF) Urea electrolysis: Direct hydrogen production from urine
[11:35:11] <c0lo_> And since you resonate with Volts so much, FatPhil, I'll direct your attention to "an electrolytic cell potential of only 0.37 V is thermodynamically required to electrolyze urea at standard conditions"
[11:36:59] <FatPhil> I was walking down a street called "Volta" just earlier today. I think I've had all the Voltage that I can take. No more hair-combing for a decade.
[11:39:57] <c0lo_> Twisted-pair as a hair-style is recommended. Or a bifilar coil. You'll get to zero point energy and below in no time.
[11:42:29] <c0lo_> (re last cited doi. It's weak piss. They transformed KOH in potassium carbonate in the process, just innocently ignored to consider the extra delta Gibbs in the balance)
[12:03:25] <FatPhil> it's always about the Gibbs
[12:07:16] <Bytram> progo: If you had asked "Show me large-scale energy storage in action", that could be asking to be hit by lightning... yeah, it sounded funnier when I thought of it. badjoke++
[12:10:33] <c0lo_> I'll drink to Gibbs, FatPhil. That and the activation/threshold energy are everything in life.
[12:11:14] <FatPhil> high level things, it's QED and QFT that you really like
[12:19:49] <c0lo_> Those are at the spiritual (high ABV) level, FatPhil. For us, normal biological creatures, yeast and humans alike, the Gibbs beer's good enough.
[12:21:56] * Bytram steps away to watch Olympics closing ceremony
[12:23:00] <c0lo_> They are closing already? It's, like, just started.
[12:23:51] <c0lo_> We even didn't finish two successive lockdown in Melbourne...
[12:24:09] <c0lo_> How the time fly these days...
[12:26:06] <c0lo_> Fuck me, they never learn...
[12:26:15] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.wired.com
[12:26:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03When the Next Animal Plague Hits, Can This Lab Stop It?" (43p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:27:33] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.wsj.com
[12:27:36] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Amid the Labor Shortage, Robots Step in to Make the French Fries" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:29:18] <c0lo_> =submit https://www.scmp.com
[12:29:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03China-led Study Finds Way to Reverse a Loss of Eyesight" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:37:13] <c0lo_> https://pbs.twimg.com
[12:44:23] <c0lo_> With a nod towards AzumaHazuki https://pbs.twimg.com
[14:57:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Stacks Full Starship Launch System for First Time, Standing Nearly 400 Feet (122 Meters) Tall - https://sylnt.us - Musk-got-it-up
[16:15:28] * Runaway1956 wonders if it is legal to import some drunken Scots into the US
[16:27:24] <FatPhil> we sent them all to Oz and NZ
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[19:20:38] <FatPhil> c0lo_: would you like a link to a scientific article containing the phrase "the devices can efficiently oxidize water"?
[19:45:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Computer Hardware Giant GIGABYTE Hit by RansomEXX Ransomware - https://sylnt.us
[21:36:30] <progo> Bytram: no worries. I just thought you were imagining I said something offensive when I couldn't see it. Also I said "show me a photo of…" :^b
[21:36:36] * progo stands back at a distance
[23:52:11] <c0lo_> FatPhil, I'd be curious indeed.
[23:59:51] <c0lo_> =submit weapons-platform-in-space https://interestingengineering.com
[23:59:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Caltech's New Space-Based Solar Project Could Power Our Entire Planet" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org