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[23:57:44] <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[23:57:05] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
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[23:52:09] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03'the Night Was Hell': Wildfire Destroys Homes on Outskirts of Athens" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[23:49:02] <c0lo> =submit https://www.huffpost.com
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[23:47:47] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com.au
[23:46:46] <kyonko000> MATH
[23:46:41] <kyonko000> what do you do when the strong become stronger?
[23:46:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ukrainian President Orders Extra Protection for Belarus Exiles After Dissident's Death" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:46:13] <c0lo> =submit https://www.france24.com
[23:44:14] <kyonko000> oh of course, obey the gun man, guns make the strong stronger and the weak strong
[23:43:56] <kyonko000> when mexicans get disappeared to become frozen ground beef
[23:43:45] <kyonko000> blame the gun
[23:43:41] <kyonko000> lol
[23:43:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Future Space Travel Might Require Mushrooms" (120p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:43:31] <c0lo> =submit https://www.scientificamerican.com
[23:42:31] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Mexico Sues U.S. Gun Makers, Eyes $10 Billion in Damages" (48p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:42:29] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[23:31:26] <kyonko000> i wonder how the davinci bots are doing in post-covid world
[23:30:53] <kyonko000> the hip joint from the pelvis to the femur, thats dead center in a circle or a square
[23:30:01] <kyonko000> searching for dead center
[23:29:57] <kyonko000> https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:26:57] <raxas> in ancient cybernetics, we called that "regulation"
[23:26:56] <kyonko000> I have a rational eugenics
[23:26:34] <raxas> those impulses are not problems at all, they keep human population nonzero and limited
[23:26:16] <kyonko000> I'm exhausted but this inventor of gpt-3 sounds a lot like, or a competitor of the company that serg vakulenko of early freebsd bootloader fame, before the boot0 was maintained by robert nordier
[23:23:25] <kyonko000> I'm afraid of humans who can't control their impulse to breed and kill
[23:23:06] <kyonko000> I'm not really afraid of droughts even though we had a few scary ones in the past 2 or 3 years
[23:22:03] <AzumaHazuki> those enhanced potatoes aren't drought-tolerant so much as they grow longer roots, it sounds like
[23:21:31] <kyonko000> he tried to understand as most he could
[23:20:57] <kyonko000> robert hooke is good
[23:20:41] <kyonko000> I never knew of any pointes toward philosophy of science
[23:19:47] <raxas> conformist science is initially full of contradictions, incorrect information. when you feed that into convolution network, you get a pile of contradictions back
[23:19:28] <kyonko000> then you got He, the thingie that gets ejected from some not so large atoms, and very large atoms
[23:17:22] <kyonko000> hydrogen is proton that caught an electron
[23:16:51] <kyonko000> so now gpt-3 is confusing virology with visible light
[23:16:24] <kyonko000> transmission of covid19, delta variant
[23:16:13] <kyonko000> currently gpt-3 is using "transmission" a lot
[23:16:10] <raxas> beacuse hydrogen is protons
[23:15:47] <kyonko000> why DID humans send this shit out into the eyes and ears of mindless sheep?
[23:15:26] <kyonko000> why DID gpt-3 confuse biology with nuclear physics
[23:14:58] <kyonko000> why DID gpt-3 confuse virology with particle physics (neutrons)
[23:12:28] <systemd> ^ 03GPT-3 - Wikipedia
[23:12:27] <kyonko000> https://en.wikipedia.org
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[23:11:20] <kyonko000> yeah, that would be nice, gmo humans reproducing by binary fission (eat my shorts, gpt3)
[23:10:43] <kyonko000> you mean like the glow in the dark, glowfish
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[23:10:26] <raxas> I suggest visible genetic modifications done by legal process to criminals. say, compulsory antlers for fraud
[23:08:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australian Court Rules an AI Can be Considered an Inventor on Patent Filings - https://sylnt.us - automatic-patentator
[23:06:59] <kyonko000> LANL is into genetics now
[23:05:02] <kyonko000> raxas, i'd leave your dumb blonde who bred rats in charge of that program
[23:04:43] <kyonko000> raxas, that sounds a lot like x-raying house flies to see what happens
[23:04:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03RNA Demethylation Increases the Yield and Biomass of Rice and Potato Plants in Field Trials" (102p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:03:46] <kyonko000> what will we do when AI makes its final judgement on "normal people"
[23:02:26] <raxas> soylentbot is racist against nature
[23:02:06] <kyonko000> you ever had an air conditioned room while watching "tv" give you an orgasmic iv drip?
[23:01:33] <kyonko000> yeah I know this trend
[23:01:25] <raxas> =submit https://www.nature.com
[23:00:27] <raxas> I predict next generation of humans eating this shit will be giants again
[22:59:17] <raxas> potato with inserted human obesity gene
[22:58:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03RNA Breakthrough Creates Crops That Can Grow 50% More Potatoes, Rice" (32p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:58:18] <raxas> =submit https://news.uchicago.edu
[22:53:50] <kyonko000> "flat"
[22:53:48] <kyonko000> https://www.lanl.gov
[22:52:54] <kyonko000> neutrons tend to travel through solid matter something they attributed to covid19 early on in lame stream media
[22:52:24] <kyonko000> https://www.lanl.gov
[22:52:17] <raxas> and show me a single one example of "free" electron anywhere. I mean, not some indirect interaction result
[22:51:08] <raxas> pls explain to me why "free" neutron lasts for 15 minutes but neutrons bound inside atoms last long
[22:50:27] <kyonko000> strings
[22:50:25] <kyonko000> just what I was afraid of.....
[22:48:52] <chromas> Fat
[22:48:34] <kyonko000> they are so big and fat and wide as they are across, you can't help but wonder, whats inside
[22:48:05] <kyonko000> the fat atoms
[22:47:57] <kyonko000> the big transuranic atoms
[22:46:22] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Seinfeld - Slippery Pete, Schlomo (Frogger Episode) (01:57; 574,915 views; 👍2,886 👎135)
[22:46:21] <chromas> =yt seinfeld holes
[22:46:13] <kyonko000> lol @ holes
[22:46:03] <kyonko000> the big 'uns
[22:46:01] <chromas> That's the future of space propulsion—Apply an electric space current, creating holes ahead of you for your space electron ship to jump into
[22:45:54] <kyonko000> look at the heavy atoms that tend to fall apart
[22:44:17] <kyonko000> then electrons tend to become free
[22:44:07] <kyonko000> if you shoot something out of earth orbit, it will behave like an orbiting electron
[22:43:46] <kyonko000> caltrops lol
[22:43:46] <kyonko000> SPIKES
[22:43:44] <chromas> Atoms don't have spikes
[22:43:38] <chromas> But muh spike protein
[22:43:16] <kyonko000> ITS A COLD VIRUS PEOPLE, GMO
[22:42:59] * kyonko000 wonders why no one makes one of covid19 worked up from that
[22:42:44] <kyonko000> there are some very very artistic renditions of atoms out there
[22:42:22] <kyonko000> chromas, depends on the era
[22:42:07] <chromas> Atoms aren't drawn flat?
[22:41:48] <FatPhil> damn. tonight's questions are easy
[22:41:43] <kyonko000> I reckon covid19 is going to infect every living thing on earth and outside of earth, but thats none of my business
[22:41:28] <chromas> They've been upgraded. They're clouds now. Atomic IoT
[22:41:27] <FatPhil> because they aren't
[22:39:58] <kyonko000> if atoms and their orbiting electrons are drawn flat, why do we have 3d
[22:39:36] <kyonko000> compact circles
[22:38:27] <FatPhil> circles are closed and bounded
[22:35:31] <chromas> But is it compact?
[22:34:09] <FatPhil> your argument is circular.
[22:25:49] <t3> error-correction only matters when the transmissions need perfect integrity, verbal comms can rely on context for that
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[21:57:23] <FatPhil> error-correcting capability, i.e. redundancy, is far more useful.
[21:57:01] <FatPhil> compact is a negative trait
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[20:35:01] <raxas> critical tonality is mostly missing in english transliterations
[20:34:48] * kyonko000 remembers all the international encodings for www along with rsa rc5 civilian encryption
[20:34:34] <raxas> it explains several types of transliterations used in academics for centuries
[20:33:41] <kyonko000> is this chinese written in latin?
[20:30:05] <raxas> finally got chinese grammar, fresh new work written in my native by true expert on both. the language itself is... exciting. perfect compact form of stacking meanings, usable in computing as a command language or programming language as it stands
[20:26:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wild U.S. Deer Found With Coronavirus Antibodies - https://sylnt.us - they're-bats-I-tell-you!-antlered-bats!
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[18:39:27] <Runaway1956> coffee is ready, but so is my pillow
[18:39:17] <Runaway1956> Decisions, decisions . . .
[18:38:17] <raxas> I'll be watching
[18:38:17] <Bytram> blues weighed
[18:37:59] <Bytram> blew swayed
[18:37:55] <raxas> focus on yourselves, guys. you have that raiders eviction situation coming in two months
[18:37:46] <Runaway1956> Some lawyer sued those blue shoes
[18:37:31] <Runaway1956> Blue Swade?
[18:36:55] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Elvis Presley - Blue Suede Shoes 1956 (COLOR and STEREO) (02:13; 56,979,326 views; 👍289,985 👎7,125)
[18:36:54] <Bytram> =yt blue suede shoes
[18:36:26] <Bytram> crew sueders?
[18:36:20] <Runaway1956> Would Mexican seeders count, planting tree seedlings all over Weyerhauser land?
[18:36:06] <Bytram> hmm, maybe cruise aiders?
[18:35:31] <Bytram> raxas: what about crew seders? wordplay++
[18:35:11] * Runaway1956 notes that raxas and relatives don't play well with others
[18:34:54] * raxas keeps hating crusaders
[18:34:44] <requerdanos> seeks
[18:34:40] <raxas> and I hate them all
[18:34:39] <requerdanos> thats why i say sees, not succeeds
[18:34:23] <raxas> my ancestors were fighting teutons, saxons, franks, crusaders for 1000 years
[18:34:19] * Runaway1956 remembers seeing the family tree in the family Bible - can't remember how far back it went
[18:34:17] <Bytram> requerdanos: theory is great, but seems to fall down in practice -- seems some selfish bastards show up and want more than their fair share
[18:32:24] <raxas> yes, to the 17. century and to the 15.century
[18:32:23] <requerdanos> communism seeks to provide for the people in a way that capitalism can only dream of
[18:32:04] <Runaway1956> Everybody is equal under communism - some more equal than others
[18:32:00] <kyonko000> raxas, do you know your ancestry going back to middle ages?
[18:31:40] <raxas> you know nothing about communism
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[18:31:36] * kyonko000 has heard a lot about rich people and communism
[18:31:32] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Money - Pink Floyd + Lyrics (06:23; 26,508,714 views; 👍128,855 👎5,264)
[18:31:31] <Bytram> =yt https://youtube.com
[18:31:23] <kyonko000> you were rich in communism?
[18:31:15] <kyonko000> wait what
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[18:30:35] <Runaway1956> probably white too
[18:30:24] <raxas> no. I was always a privileged person
[18:29:59] <kyonko000> raxas, did the communist military ever draft you?
[18:29:35] <raxas> money will not save you. defend or die
[18:29:30] <kyonko000> its just fiat
[18:29:17] <kyonko000> I've never been money crazy
[18:29:03] <requerdanos> money get back, I'm alright jack, keep your hands off my stack
[18:28:59] <kyonko000> in mexico, these ends up kidnapping people and turning them into ground beef alive, for money
[18:28:38] <kyonko000> money money money
[18:28:36] <kyonko000> you were supposed to get a job
[18:28:13] <Runaway1956> It's the parent's fault for not teaching survivel
[18:27:58] <Runaway1956> Exposure is highly overrated
[18:27:51] <raxas> fallout on steroids
[18:27:45] <Runaway1956> Correction - stupid humans die without modern shelter
[18:27:38] <raxas> unlikely. they will just attack those with shelters and food
[18:27:16] <kyonko000> deaths from exposure
[18:27:13] <kyonko000> the great unsheltered holocaust
[18:27:04] <kyonko000> raxas, humans die without shelter
[18:27:00] <raxas> democrats made it real
[18:26:53] <kyonko000> even aguila from mexico with the short 12 guage shells for MAXIMUM CAPACITY
[18:26:45] <raxas> "rental eviction insurgency"
[18:26:42] <kyonko000> fiocci from italy
[18:26:35] <kyonko000> also prvi partizen from serbia
[18:26:31] <kyonko000> yeah raxas, sellier and bellot czech ammo is big in the USA
[18:26:16] <raxas> this is why mothers with babies buying boxes of ammo and old ladies buying shotguns like never before
[18:25:58] <kyonko000> "oh, we don't know who your family is or what they did"
[18:25:47] <kyonko000> look at all the DNA tech
[18:25:41] <kyonko000> raxas, who is responsible for modern overpopulation, not me
[18:25:17] <raxas> +4 millions homeless in streets, that cannot end well
[18:25:03] <kyonko000> war = extinction
[18:25:00] <kyonko000> peace = non extinction
[18:24:43] <requerdanos> so they can have a shootout with law enforcement at eviction time?
[18:24:40] <kyonko000> raxas, I was thinking in REM dreamspace, why don't we just let russian federation be UN occupied to buy use more years of peace
[18:24:09] <raxas> this is the reason and every one of you know it
[18:24:06] <Runaway1956> What was up with them? Biden kept them warehoused until time to vote that's what was up.
[18:23:56] <systemd> ^ 03Wayne Dupree: It sounds harsh, but those who risk losing their homes as the US eviction ban expires have only themselves to blame
[18:23:55] <kyonko000> can't show _them_ or zuckerberg any fear
[18:23:53] <raxas> this https://www.rt.com
[18:23:47] <kyonko000> anyway, I voted for the first time
[18:23:28] <kyonko000> seriously what was up with all the dead voters after the first 90 days/3 months of COVID1984
[18:21:23] <kyonko000> the human centepede
[18:21:14] <Runaway1956> Ok - this is the end - but which end is it?
[18:21:11] <kyonko000> dead man voting also
[18:21:07] <kyonko000> serial number linked to dead man
[18:20:56] <kyonko000> this is the end, by the doors
[18:20:53] <requerdanos> because people keep buying them?
[18:20:47] <kyonko000> raxas, this is the end
[18:20:46] <Runaway1956> the manufacturers are just barely keeping up with demand
[18:20:41] <raxas> and, do you know why?
[18:20:29] <Runaway1956> Yep - that is true
[18:20:16] <kyonko000> mean while gun and ammo sales keep breaking monthly records
[18:19:53] <kyonko000> made me feel like when the ATM machine ate my card or the cops took my driver's license
[18:18:47] <kyonko000> the doctors wrote the scripts and logged it in the computer
[18:18:33] <kyonko000> that's taboo, ok whatever
[18:18:18] <kyonko000> I got denied having a stockpile of meds
[18:17:46] <kyonko000> man
[18:17:44] <kyonko000> lol
[18:17:39] <Runaway1956> I know that I'll be punished for my good deed though - it never fails
[18:17:25] <kyonko000> the problem is kids think they are food since they are taken daily like food
[18:17:12] <kyonko000> ...
[18:17:00] <Runaway1956> Someone spilled some pills outside the hospital - I got down on hands and knees to chase them all down so some little kid wouldn't pick any up and eat them
[18:16:27] <Runaway1956> Oh - I did a good deed while out and about
[18:16:08] <Runaway1956> That was the highlight of my morning -
[18:16:01] <kyonko000> i'm quite worried about elon musk and his project "musk belt" at LEO
[18:15:45] <kyonko000> yeah exactly
[18:15:33] <kyonko000> no we can send sexually dimorphic humans to colonize the solar system
[18:15:31] <Runaway1956> Weren't nothing dimorphis about that bounce under her blouse, lol
[18:15:09] <kyonko000> sexual dimorphism in humans is a disease
[18:14:59] <Runaway1956> I didn't know such a small woman could jiggle like that!
[18:14:48] <Runaway1956> That little bitty lady jiggled like crazy!
[18:14:42] <kyonko000> why are you having this problem?
[18:14:32] <Runaway1956> HOLY CRAP!!!
[18:14:27] <Runaway1956> and starts slapping the back of my hand to make the veins stand out better
[18:14:12] <Runaway1956> She likes the veins better, puts that stretchy thing around my arm
[18:13:56] <kyonko000> sticking an IV is not optional
[18:13:55] <Runaway1956> doesn't like the veins in my left hand, looks t the right hand
[18:13:47] <kyonko000> yeah, they never practice their own health care
[18:13:39] <Runaway1956> So, she wants to stick an IV in me
[18:13:27] <kyonko000> she will be fat soon
[18:13:26] <Runaway1956> About 5 ' 2" and probably weighed 100 pounds with all the gear in her pockets
[18:13:00] <Runaway1956> did I say pretty?
[18:12:54] <Runaway1956> Informative, and also keeps the small talk going
[18:12:37] <Runaway1956> Pretty little woman, probably 25 years old
[18:12:25] <Runaway1956> Nurse steps into the waiting room, "Hi, I'm Chris, I'm going to help with . . . "
[18:12:00] <Runaway1956> Well - fun morning kinda - at least some bits of it
[18:00:12] <systemd> ^ 03How To Build Your Own Gundam Suit With Inbuilt Speaker
[18:00:09] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[17:46:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Deletes All Comments Under Heavily Criticized Windows 11 Upgrade Video - https://sylnt.us - not-all-publicity-is-good-publicity
[17:41:01] <requerdanos> and over star-topology arcnet
[17:40:59] <raxas> slip in linux still works I hope. last time I used this was a Compaq PDA with network bridge tinkered over USB, for although I had wifi CF cards, I needed a CF slot for large storage instead
[17:39:02] <Bytram> still, both were an improvement over Wang's dual-coax connections, IMHO.
[17:38:24] <Bytram> token ring worked okay, but lacked some of the resiliency of ethernet.
[17:37:20] <Bytram> SoylentNews has a multi-host IRC setup, if I have followed Deucalion's actions correctly. I know we have at least two (and maybe 3) servers.
[17:36:34] <kyonko000> the invisible walls of our maze
[17:36:17] <kyonko000> CDMA/TDMA were mentioned a lot with GSM and 3G
[17:34:53] <kyonko000> then there was the token ring with CDMA/TDMA
[17:34:35] <kyonko000> the backhaul
[17:34:33] <kyonko000> you had the routing nodes
[17:34:21] <kyonko000> but IRC tends to be, or was more like star 2 star back in the hey days of irc such as ircnet or efnet
[17:33:58] <kyonko000> IRC can be like that
[17:33:54] <kyonko000> netware was star topology
[17:33:32] <raxas> under Novell, when your fancy PC/AT server died, your business was over
[17:32:41] <raxas> for example, file transfer could be initiated by any node
[17:32:06] <raxas> FatPhil: LANtastic was marketed as peer-to-peer network in contrary to server-client network in Netware. All nodes in LANtastic were equal
[17:31:44] <kyonko000> from 1995 to 2000
[17:31:04] <kyonko000> remember PLIP and SLIP in linux and bsd in the mid 90's? that was beer to beer
[17:30:28] <Bytram> lol; Lantastic was certainly in the game early-ish for PCs. But, I was using networking at IBM (SNA?) back in ~1984? and even earlier ~1980 used DECnet which was definitely peer-to-peer!
[17:30:08] <kyonko000> KAD
[17:30:06] <kyonko000> I moved on to emule (ed2k)
[17:29:57] <kyonko000> look into when kazaa (fasttrack) died
[17:29:41] <kyonko000> p2p is dead, has been since the great 2005 p2p crisis
[17:28:26] <kyonko000> NNTP
[17:28:20] <kyonko000> then bridged to TCP/IP
[17:28:10] <kyonko000> UUCP over modem
[17:27:54] <kyonko000> as long as you have root FatPhil
[17:26:15] <FatPhil> Not sure Lantastic can legitimately call itself the first peer-to-peer networking (the wiki page for it makes that claim). There were things on unix that could be described as p2p (ie. things where both parties act as both a client and a server) before that.
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[17:20:31] <kyonko000> before facebook
[17:20:26] <kyonko000> the community bulletin board
[17:20:14] <Bytram> I wrote plenty of programs on/for it
[17:20:13] * kyonko000 wonders what ever happened to that local cable tv channel where you could tune in to someone using a computer
[17:19:47] <kyonko000> was it a TV or a computer?
[17:19:43] <kyonko000> lol
[17:19:40] <kyonko000> NSTC!
[17:19:30] <Bytram> the first computer I bought had a copy of the schematics inside the cover; 6502, 4K static RAM, NTSC video adapter for output.
[17:19:27] <kyonko000> raxas, so the machines of tomorrow will be von newman self assembling machines akin to sequoia and redwood trees or blue whales
[17:18:44] <kyonko000> the MSM, especially american and mexican local news outlets, push one message and one message only: EBOLA IS HERE
[17:18:42] <raxas> future archeologists will be machines. I collect evidence for them so they could understand their creation myth precisely
[17:17:49] <kyonko000> who would have thought that humans would really go for the borg shot even if they survive nuclear weapons and biowarfare
[17:17:10] <kyonko000> remember the slashdot icon for microsoft as the bill gates borg
[17:16:59] <kyonko000> assuming they are even humans
[17:16:46] <t3> future archaeologists will write papers about the bone fragments of homo subterreanus found among fossilized cables
[17:16:41] <kyonko000> how will future generations even understand the 1980's, 90's and 00's?
[17:13:03] <t3> not a hoarder, just warehousing defunct electronic equipment for the future generations
[16:55:00] <kyonko000> thats so cute, so wholesome
[16:54:56] <kyonko000> omfg
[16:54:53] <kyonko000> lol
[16:44:54] <SedBot> <raxas> it's still buried in a treasure vault somewhere around here
[16:44:54] <raxas> s/junkpile/treasure vault/
[16:43:04] <kyonko000> junkpiles are illegal, punishable by euthanasia
[16:42:51] <raxas> it's still buried in a junkpile somewhere around here
[16:41:13] <raxas> Artisoft was the maker
[16:41:12] <kyonko000> would being in a database of unproven living person be any better?
[16:41:04] <raxas> https://s3.amazonaws.com
[16:41:01] <kyonko000> I'm just a number in a database of proven living persons
[16:40:38] <kyonko000> it was very surreal and absurd
[16:40:22] <kyonko000> the works
[16:40:18] <kyonko000> walkie talkies, base station
[16:40:11] <kyonko000> in the same era
[16:40:05] <kyonko000> for the PBX
[16:39:59] <kyonko000> we had that at school
[16:39:31] <raxas> in 1990/91, better ethernet network than Netware on a coax and a phone handset
[16:37:57] <raxas> I had something like this, was called LANtastic
[16:32:11] <kyonko000> the guy had to make a bunch of tiny partitions
[16:31:44] <kyonko000> i saw something about ISA cards for 16 bit 286 that enable reading sd cards
[16:31:05] <kyonko000> I wonder if the chinpokomans make ISA slots with telephone jacks for voip
[16:28:53] <kyonko000> pulse dialing
[16:28:51] <kyonko000> I bet my voip box can handle a rotary phone
[16:28:07] <kyonko000> DTMF
[16:19:46] <FatPhil> right, time for nosh, I'm Hank Marvin
[16:19:24] <FatPhil> Donald Newhouse = Oh, unloaded news (anagram)
[16:15:42] <kyonko000> boop boop poop
[16:15:39] <systemd> ^ 03Keyboard shortcuts in Windows
[16:15:38] <Bytram> https://support.microsoft.com
[16:15:30] <kyonko000> the dtmf dialpad
[16:15:15] <kyonko000> or whatever its really called
[16:15:08] <kyonko000> like connected to an actual telephone receiver
[16:14:50] <kyonko000> I have voip in my den
[16:14:41] <kyonko000> GSM/2G/3G/4G
[16:14:14] * kyonko000 never had an AMPS phone, but GSM
[16:14:01] <systemd> ^ 03Donald Newhouse - Wikipedia
[16:14:00] <raxas> reddit is chosen tribe, like everything else in "news" industry https://en.wikipedia.org
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[16:11:51] <FatPhil> AMPS and NMTS are rivals, US vs. Euro
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[16:09:32] <kyonko000> who founded reddit?
[16:09:26] <kyonko000> can't
[16:09:23] * kyonko000 can remember when reddit became a thing
[16:08:57] <kyonko000> one thing I do like about twitter and reddit is that they are google indexed
[16:08:05] <kyonko000> AMPS isn't NMTS?
[16:07:59] <kyonko000> I'm already 6 years into it
[16:07:53] <kyonko000> you don't use facebook
[16:07:21] <FatPhil> not seen any helium memes. maybe they went over my head?
[16:06:56] <FatPhil> AMPS is good American technology, like apple pies
[16:06:29] <kyonko000> you ever got that "praise be to he, helium" meme?
[16:06:11] <kyonko000> we are nothing but children of dead black oil and cosmic luceferian ammonia
[16:05:43] <kyonko000> the last AMPS was in the gulf of mexico around the oil rigs
[16:05:32] <kyonko000> Mexico used AMPS for a really really long time
[16:05:28] <FatPhil> totally potato camera
[16:05:14] <FatPhil> Liked my StarTac or whatever that moto one was called
[16:04:54] <kyonko000> I really enjoyed those phones
[16:04:45] <FatPhil> or "good phones" as I like to call them ;)
[16:04:39] <kyonko000> FatPhil, I have been better/younger (back in 2009)
[16:04:27] <kyonko000> FatPhil, Xorg is totally for like, flip phones with dtmf
[16:04:25] <FatPhil> woop woop, it's the kyonkster! how ya doin'?
[16:03:58] <kyonko000> local interstate gas station chain in my town uses windows xp POS 2009
[16:03:52] <FatPhil> Yeah, I know, that's 20 years out of date
[16:03:45] <FatPhil> I'm fairly happy weaking xkeycaps and xmodmap if something does start deviating from what I expect.
[16:03:35] <kyonko000> windows legacy support = lol
[16:03:18] <systemd> https://www.ics.uci.edu - The Windows Interface Guidelines — A Guide for Designing Software
[16:03:18] <Bytram> =g "Windows Interface Guidelines for Software Design"
[16:03:14] <raxas> that's good diagnosis of the situation. something consumes it on the way
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[16:03:06] <FatPhil> so I think it's handled in the kbd itself, not in X.
[16:02:24] <FatPhil> OK, the Fn key with my Function keys generates the "windows apps" events, it looks like Insert is the only other key it does anything with.
[16:00:51] <raxas> now since PC/AT only one F row of 12 for poor people is allowed
[15:59:36] <raxas> in old times, I got Univac terminal with F1-F36. worked with all selectors too. after that, when IBM did PC/XT, they throwed just 10 Fkeys on it. absolute idiots. from since we all suffer and children are spoiled
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[15:57:08] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - IBM Common User Access - Wikipedia
[15:57:07] <Bytram> =g Microsoft CUA keyboard shortcuts
[15:53:52] <FatPhil> Fn+Insert generates a Calculator event
[15:52:48] <raxas> damned toymakers
[15:52:08] <raxas> or Ctrl...
[15:51:48] <raxas> if you are on such a book, try to press Shift+Fn+Insert instead of Shift+Insert
[15:49:06] <raxas> but on some keyboards (asus notebooks, ryzen), fn may be a hardware key only. have one such too
[15:46:11] <raxas> I claim this one in a window manager so for me, apps don't get this
[15:45:06] <raxas> that position of your fn is right window key, usually a mode-4 selector
[15:42:21] <raxas> since many keymaps for old model and new model differ
[15:42:20] <FatPhil> looks like my keyboard events exactly match what I'd expect, with the exception of a weird 'fn' key between RAlt and Menu that does nothing
[15:41:50] <raxas> just verify what really comes in when you press your favourite funny key combination
[15:38:38] <FatPhil> is there anything in particular I should be looking out for?
[15:33:06] <raxas> try xev to analyze what the driver really gets from the kernel (linux) or system keyboard multiplexer (bsd). things have changed and old X may save you not
[15:29:18] <FatPhil> Worksforme
[15:29:09] <FatPhil> Release Date: 2017-03-02
[15:29:09] <FatPhil> X.Org X Server 1.19.2
[15:28:33] <FatPhil> The windowsification and macification of X was always something I rejected, I shall probably hold off upgrading, and stay with oldoldstable for as long as I can.
[15:25:26] <raxas> remember: never blame emacs. emacs is perfect
[15:25:07] <raxas> FatPhil: X got very decadent new input mechanism lately (about 2-3 years pending). everything is borked
[15:07:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Every Car Made After 2027 May Have Drunk Driving Monitoring System - https://sylnt.us - don't-hold-your-breath
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[13:54:27] <FatPhil> view-lossage supports the 'it never gets a S-insert' hypothesis
[13:53:47] <FatPhil> who needs consistency?
[13:53:39] <FatPhil> it receives S-delete verbatim though
[13:53:29] <FatPhil> maybe a bug in the shell or the xterm, don't know, I presume emacs never received S-insert
[13:52:33] * MrPlow smakes stallman upside the head with a bratwurst
[13:52:33] <chromas> #smake stallman
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[13:51:00] <FatPhil> Found a bug in emacs... did Ctrl-h k to get help on a key, pressed shift-insert, and it gave me help on the first character I had previously cut, namely an 'S', and then pasted the rest of the text into the buffer.
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[13:47:30] <FatPhil> I don't use anything with keyboard selection, so don't do the cutting part
[13:47:09] <chromas> shift-del to bypass the recycle bin/trash
[13:46:59] <chromas> shift-ins to paste. ctrl-del to cut
[13:46:47] <chromas> copy
[13:46:36] <FatPhil> shift-insert I do all the time, don't know ctrl-insert
[13:44:55] <chromas> but I didn't put an insert key on this keyboard
[13:44:43] <chromas> I still like to use the ancient IBM shortcuts like ctrl-insert
[13:42:20] <FatPhil> there are a couple of text editors on my (linux-based) phone that use Ctrl-Z, but I use it so rarely I kinda forget about it. When I need to undo, I tend to panic first, then press the right keys.
[13:40:45] * chromas doesn't know y
[13:40:35] <chromas> Most programs seem to use ctrl-shift-z, but some like gimp and treesheets use ctrl-y
[13:40:12] <chromas> Yeah. Redo command
[13:39:55] <FatPhil> looks like an opposite to Ctrl+Z, which of course is a near impossibility for us shell users.
[13:37:58] <FatPhil> I used to like the keybinings in borland's DOS-based IDEs, not seen those anywhere for a while.
[13:36:55] <FatPhil> latter is yank in emacs, and in bash with emacs-like keybindings, not sure what the former is
[13:14:56] <chromas> Ask Soylent: Ctrl+Shift+Z or Ctrl+Y?
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[12:41:08] * MrPlow smakes jman upside the head with a SYNTAX ERROR ON LINE 12
[12:41:08] <chromas> #smake jman
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[12:34:45] * janrinok checks down the sofa cushions for any more loose change in big notes
[12:33:47] <janrinok> sorry, I'm down to my last 700,000,000,000,000 or so...
[12:29:36] <FatPhil> Can anyone spare 775,880,100,000,000 bolivar for a cup of coffee?
[12:27:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Launching Blob the Slime Mold Into Space - https://sylnt.us - sponge-blob-scares-plants?
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[11:49:35] <systemd> ^ 03Using a shop's toilet - Bathroom Key
[11:49:33] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
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[11:17:05] <FatPhil> Knuth, Donald (Summer 1977). "The Complexity of Songs". SIGACT News: 17–24. Reprinted in: Knuth, Donald (1984). "The Complexity of Songs". Communications of the ACM. 27 (4): 344–346
[11:16:30] <systemd> ^ 03The Complexity of Songs - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[11:16:29] <FatPhil> it's just this: https://en.wikipedia.org
[11:11:49] <chromas> the one the doi leads to
[11:11:07] <FatPhil> wot wesbite? I didn't mention a website?
[11:07:56] <systemd> ^ 03Paint It, Black
[11:07:53] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[11:07:21] <Runaway1956> Maybe one of the kids painted my windows black?
[11:06:45] <Runaway1956> I suppose I need to get started on my day, even if the sun isn't coming up yet.
[11:05:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5579
[11:05:58] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[11:02:09] <Runaway1956> yup - that and folding at home points
[11:01:51] <chromas> venezuelan moneys per coffee cup?
[11:01:28] <Runaway1956> Getting closer to a billion
[11:01:13] <chromas> digit digit digit
[11:00:09] <Runaway1956> 946,749,070
[10:58:57] <Runaway1956> Laser printers generate antimatter - awesome!
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[10:53:11] <chromas> Fiery but mostly peaceful?
[10:48:18] <Runaway1956> Ooooh, Chicago is burning down - again.
[10:48:10] <chromas> and figure out if they should send your datas to the NSA, Russia or China
[10:47:50] <chromas> a lot of the map sites want that so they can start zoomed into your area
[10:47:37] <chromas> block
[10:47:21] <Runaway1956> "NWCG wants to know your location - block or permit?"
[10:45:37] <systemd> ^ 03National Fire Situational Awareness ( https://maps.nwcg.gov )
[10:45:36] <chromas> https://maps.nwcg.gov
[10:45:20] <Runaway1956> Going to be in that town all day long
[10:44:50] <Runaway1956> sucky day lined up - one appointment at 8:30, another for 11:00, and another at 16:00 -
[10:44:37] * chromas sticks out tongue
[10:44:29] <chromas> there's a few wild fires in your area, kinda. Not as many as we have though. Nyaaa!
[10:43:22] <Runaway1956> I've only got the one cigarette burning
[10:42:55] <chromas> Could also be blocked by smoke
[10:42:44] <Runaway1956> must be overcast
[10:42:37] <Runaway1956> Is the sun ever late coming up? It looks late this morning.
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[10:40:53] <inz> chromas, that kind of accidents don't with motorized drivers
[10:40:35] <Runaway1956> speaking of javascript - Ebay has gotten stupid, and their pages don't want to load in PaleMoon now
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[10:39:53] <chromas> accidents happen, inz
[10:39:37] <chromas> got damn, FatPhil; that web site's got all kinds of js popups 'n' sheeit
[10:39:31] <inz> "Then how do you explain yourselves?"
[10:39:23] <Runaway1956> More like "Nana sez" - Mommy has been a grandma for a couple decades now
[10:38:51] <Runaway1956> lol
[10:38:41] <chromas> "Mommy says you don't know how to screw and you need the motorized driver to get the job done"
[10:37:39] <Runaway1956> they can't stand to watch a craftsman working with his hands
[10:37:26] <Runaway1956> The three of them watching me work - all of them kept offering me electric screwdrivers
[10:36:36] <chromas> Give him a piece of scrap wood and a power driver and let him play
[10:35:43] <Runaway1956> Think I hurt hiw widdle feelz when I didn't use any of his screws
[10:35:39] <chromas> oh, I missed the "
[10:35:29] <chromas> What'd he do with the other half?
[10:35:06] <Runaway1956> son comes back with 2 1/2" screws
[10:35:00] <chromas> FatPhil: ah
[10:34:53] <Runaway1956> Little project, I needed to glue together a couple bits of plywood
[10:34:43] <chromas> not yet
[10:34:33] * Runaway1956 chuckles at screws and screwholes
[10:34:28] <FatPhil> chromas: doi:10.1145/358027.358042
[10:33:07] <inz> are your fingers stuck to it now?
[10:32:55] <chromas> But that takes extra work and planning. This way's Apple-ier
[10:32:27] <chromas> I wish I'd made some screw holes for this keyboard instead of planning to glue it
[10:31:03] <SedBot> <chromas> to go out-word, you need a stamp
[10:31:03] <chromas> s/(o)ut/g\1/
[10:30:42] <chromas> to out out-word, you need a stamp
[10:30:36] <chromas> only n-word
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[10:28:16] <inz> But at least now I know that one can pass a crowbar through the mail slot.
[10:25:22] <inz> Something like that.
[10:22:42] <chromas> or out I suppose
[10:22:36] <chromas> Small click on one; bang on two. And we're in!
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[10:20:41] <inz> I just picked our apartment lock today. From the inside. With a hammer.
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[09:53:06] <boru> Then you should teach them, also!
[09:52:25] <Runaway1956> Lucky boru - when my coworkers see a lock pick, they act all shocked
[09:52:02] <boru> And learning how bad most lock design is...
[09:51:44] <boru> I've been teaching my co-workers how to pick locks recently. They've been having a lot of fun.
[09:51:17] <boru> Yeah, I think he collaborated with someone on the design.
[09:50:51] <chromas> is that "the pick that Bosnian Bill and I made"?
[09:50:18] <boru> LPL has a similar design for cylinder plate locks which is also quite useful.
[09:49:43] <boru> That Lishi pick is an old design. An effective one, too.
[09:45:31] <chromas> Unless I used powered metal sintering printer
[09:45:13] <chromas> a 3d printed pick wouldn't be rigid enough either
[09:44:41] * Runaway1956 likes picks - a half dozen picks can replace thousands of keys
[09:44:11] <chromas> Need to find a more rigid plastic though
[09:44:04] <chromas> I made a couple keys on my 3d printer
[09:43:23] <systemd> ^ 03How to use the Lishi Kwikset Pick
[09:43:21] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[09:42:49] <Runaway1956> I've just discovered the Lishi pick - pretty damned cool!
[09:42:32] <Runaway1956> Any amateur lock pickers here?
[09:37:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Laser Pincers Generate Antimatter by Recreating Neutron Star Conditions - https://sylnt.us - going-to-need-more-dilithium-crystals
[09:34:32] <chromas> Which one?
[09:34:17] <FatPhil> HAve you read the Knuth paper?
[09:29:42] <systemd> ^ 03The Era of Low Information Music
[09:29:40] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[09:27:34] <FatPhil> All other states: "thank god for Arkansas"
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[09:21:38] <systemd> ^ 03Arkansas Governor Hutchinson regrets signing mask ban into law as state sees Delta surge
[09:21:37] <c0lo> https://www.newsweek.com
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[09:05:22] <systemd> ^ 03Clint Howard Reboots Pippi Longstocking with Milla Jovovich and Fred Willard
[09:05:20] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[08:53:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03FDA Aiming to Give Final Approval to Pfizer Vaccine by Early Next Month -NY Times" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:53:11] <c0lo> =submit too-late-already https://www.reuters.com
[08:52:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Every Car Made After 2027 May Have Drunk Driving Monitoring System" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:52:30] <c0lo> =submit https://www.vice.com
[08:48:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Here's How We Can Build Clean Power Infrastructure at Huge Scale and Breakneck Speed" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:48:18] <c0lo> =submit lotsa-tesla-dept U.S. will need to build 800 MW of new solar power every week for the next 30 years https://www.canarymedia.com
[08:45:50] * Runaway1956 looks out window to see if it's morning yet
[08:44:46] <chromas> But can the AI even file a patent?
[08:43:46] <chromas> Linux needs to cum faster. Windows already goes to eleven while Linux is stuck on babby's first version
[08:43:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Australian Court Rules an AI Can be Considered an Inventor on Patent Filings" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:43:18] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theregister.com
[08:41:40] <Runaway1956> nevermind the story - we should wish that Win11 was shorter - like 500,000,000 lines of code shorter
[08:41:26] <chromas> and sounds nice too
[08:41:22] <chromas> Haven't glued this keyboard together yet but it's working pretty noicely
[08:41:01] <chromas> I wish that Win11 story was longer
[08:40:35] <Runaway1956> I'm sure that aristarchus will defend the fish
[08:39:14] <Runaway1956> Can't wait to discuss the goldfish story with the rest of SN
[08:32:37] <systemd> ^ 03Researchers Discover Galaxy-Sized Goldfish Astronauts Discarded From Space Shuttle In 1988
[08:32:36] <chromas> https://www.theonion.com
[08:27:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Damage Control: Microsoft Deletes All Comments Under Heavily Criticized Windows 11 Upgrade Video" (3p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:27:03] <c0lo> =submit https://www.notebookcheck.net
[08:25:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Amazon Unlawfully Confiscated Union Literature, NLRB Finds" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:25:04] <c0lo> =submit https://www.vice.com
[08:22:32] <c0lo> =submit https://www.dailymail.co.uk
[08:22:28] <c0lo> hmmmm.... should I? Should I not? Ok, let the editors deal with it...
[08:08:19] <chromas> Hm I was going to do the Right to Repair sub but it says "it remains to be seen hwo the FTC will react", even though we have an older article saying they already did
[08:07:21] <chromas> I you crack me up I'll never stop
[08:07:13] <chromas> I you crack me up
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[07:27:03] <FatPhil> https://www.kuvaton.com
[06:55:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Sand Shortage? the World is Running Out of a Crucial Commodity - https://sylnt.us - crucial-—-but-under-appreciated-—
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[05:28:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Discovery of Two TNO-like Bodies in the Asteroid Belt - IOPscience" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:28:55] <raxas> =submit https://iopscience.iop.org
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[04:09:05] <systemd> ^ 03Vaccinated people are much more protected from COVID-19 than unvaccinated individuals; the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccines outweigh their risks
[04:09:04] <requerdanos> https://healthfeedback.org
[04:08:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Antibiotics in Early Life Could Lead to Brain Disorders - https://sylnt.us - that-explains-so-much
[04:03:15] <raxas> hm.
[04:01:41] <raxas> =submit https://link.springer.com
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[02:37:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Wild U.S. Deer Found With Coronavirus Antibodies" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:37:50] <c0lo> =submit possession-of-prohibited-substances https://www.nationalgeographic.com
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[01:37:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Awful Transaction and Timing: AT&T Finally Ditches DirecTV - https://sylnt.us - money-burning
[01:22:10] <chromas> Hm. I don't have a login session on my pocket computer
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[00:56:06] <c0lo> yo, chromas, frost page queue is empty.