#soylent | Logs for 2021-07-25
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[00:13:12] <t3> tornado sirens, yay! let's hope the power stays on
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[00:20:01] <Bytram> UPS++
[00:20:01] <Bender> karma - ups: 5
[00:20:23] <Bytram> t3: stay safe!
[00:27:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon's "New World" Game Beta Reportedly Bricked Nvidia RTX 3090 GPUs - https://sylnt.us - if-you-can't-stand-the-heat
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[01:41:50] <AzumaHazuki> i've ordered a couple of good-quality flameless pillar candles and wall mounts for myself as a birthday present, should be arriving in early August. it'll be nice to decorate for once
[01:42:16] <AzumaHazuki> command hooks and strips are miracle tech, by the way
[01:45:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Just "Looked" Inside Mars. Here’s What They Found - https://sylnt.us - Naked-Mars
[01:46:08] <kyonko> I never liked how people never questioned the highly destructive open flame candle as a symbol of innocense
[01:47:18] <kyonko> I know how to be safe around matches and candles
[01:47:27] <kyonko> or snuff oxygen from a run away fire
[01:47:43] <kyonko> or handle a violent giant human
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[01:48:23] <kyonko> command hooks are great for organizing PPE on flat surfaces
[01:48:56] <kyonko> even with heavy use, the pulse-oximeter was still over 95% with my re-used/re-cycled mask
[01:50:44] <kyonko> normal people don't adapt to scientific tyranny, they get sick and bored of it and wait to be final solutioned
[01:51:01] <kyonko> i told my mom it was gonna be bill gates who did it
[01:51:06] <kyonko> years ago
[01:51:56] <AzumaHazuki> again I ask: are you off your meds?
[01:54:03] <kyonko> what are you going to do about it?
[01:54:13] <kyonko> I know things are really bad, so do your worst
[01:55:05] <kyonko> I always had a bad feeling I got from my mom that people that up-cycle/re-cycle/re-use aren't wanted
[01:55:30] <kyonko> and I just told you, so you lived all your life giving worship and offerings to moloch at gehenna
[01:56:04] <kyonko> chemistry isn't as cute and secular as kekule dreaming ouboros as the benzene ring
[01:59:13] <kyonko> psychiatric medicine isn't like pain killers or anesthetics, they make you sleepy and ruin your nervous anatomy so you can't contest the powers that be
[02:00:12] <kyonko> normal people don't know, or care, how far medical science has come in the centuries, all they do is pray and believe jesus christ enters the body of the surgeon
[02:00:31] <kyonko> but thats not crazy, because it serves the powers that be well
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[02:01:13] <AzumaHazuki> you know, kyonko, i'm not a huge fan of that class of meds myself, but they do seem to work for those as need them
[02:01:48] <kyonko> yeah I know exactly what they are used for and how and why
[02:01:58] <kyonko> they can't be used on old people though
[02:02:17] <kyonko> but they work well on your step child/children
[02:02:59] <Runaway1956> meds are good - a majority of mass shooters have used them
[02:03:08] <kyonko> lol
[02:03:22] <kyonko> yeah, the meds tend to make worse the symptoms they tend to treat
[02:03:23] <Runaway1956> so if you have any desire to be a mass shooter, you should get all the meds the shrinks will give you
[02:03:56] <kyonko> and when you die, you won't ever get a toxicology screen so the world will never no for certain
[02:04:18] <kyonko> you won't get anything like elvis got anyway
[02:04:23] <Runaway1956> It seems like they take meds for 2 to 5 years, then go cold turkey and it trips all their triggers
[02:04:34] <kyonko> something like that
[02:04:56] <kyonko> I got metal shavings from a tiny screw around the wifi adaptor inside my laptop
[02:05:12] <Runaway1956> snot good at all at all
[02:05:13] <kyonko> do I go anal about certainty and try to get every last particle, or just power it on no fucks given
[02:05:33] <Runaway1956> that kinda depends on whether you can afford a new laptop
[02:05:35] <kyonko> these things have high current inside them
[02:05:45] <kyonko> I don't trust the new UEFI computers
[02:06:12] <kyonko> it was some cute little chrome plated screw.... or nickle plated
[02:06:42] <Runaway1956> go over it with a magnet, and hope you get all the shavings?
[02:06:47] <kyonko> the analogy with psych meds is that they treat the mental illness like pain
[02:07:03] <kyonko> it could be non-magnetic screws
[02:07:16] <kyonko> usually some screw drivers get them at the tip
[02:07:21] <Runaway1956> Best treatment I've ever heard of for psyche problems is to get close to nature, and work your butt off
[02:07:44] <Runaway1956> go off the grid, so to speak
[02:08:01] <kyonko> I'll never know what its like to have a kid, but I'd do my best to raise them as atheist but I get a nagging thought they would eventually join a cult
[02:08:36] <Runaway1956> Jim Jones and his following of Kool-Aid Kids
[02:08:52] <kyonko> it was flavor aid
[02:09:20] <Runaway1956> close enough - powdered acid drink - we used Kool-Aid alikes for cleaning in the Navy
[02:09:35] <kyonko> you added sugar later I guess
[02:09:52] <Runaway1956> Naaaah, say your grill needs cleaning -
[02:09:55] <kyonko> the phosphoric acid in coca cola is really rough
[02:10:11] <Runaway1956> get it hot, sprinkle powder over it, add a bit of water, watch it sizzle everything off
[02:10:38] <Runaway1956> 30 year old grill is sparkling clean in seconds - maybe a minute or two if it's bad
[02:10:46] <kyonko> hydrofluoric acid works great for getting rid of rust
[02:11:02] <Bytram> =g FOOF
[02:11:03] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Dioxygen difluoride - Wikipedia
[02:11:12] <Runaway1956> not a lot of that laying around your average destroyer though
[02:11:16] <Bytram> =g FOOF derek
[02:11:18] <systemd> https://blogs.sciencemag.org - Things I Won't Work With: Dioxygen Difluoride | In the Pipeline
[02:11:42] <kyonko> Runaway1956: did your boat have that gun that kept on shooting automatically from bellow deck chain of ammo?
[02:12:25] <Runaway1956> Mmmmmmmm - kinda sorta maybe? Oh - wait - you're talking about that chain gun?
[02:12:31] <Runaway1956> No we didn't have one of those
[02:12:45] <Runaway1956> Spruance class destroyers were the first to get those
[02:12:50] <Bytram> ^^^ (FOOF) "so if you feel like whipping up a batch of Satan’s kimchi, go right ahead"
[02:14:20] <Runaway1956> "below deck chain of ammo" threw me off for a second - our main guns were fed from below decks, but people had to fingerprint every round after the ready magazine was used up
[02:14:38] <Runaway1956> I think there were 25 rounds in ready mag
[02:14:57] <kyonko> yeah it keeps on firing
[02:15:03] <Runaway1956> well, 25 for each gun, we had two guns
[02:15:06] <kyonko> the original gun boats had to be manually loaded
[02:15:47] <Runaway1956> main guns are still hand loaded, those close-in-defense guns are chain fed
[02:16:07] <kyonko> I know what those are and for, they can be easily made to run dry by bill gates swarm of drones
[02:16:10] <Runaway1956> suckers can cook off a ton of machine gun ammo in a second or so
[02:16:42] <kyonko> you ever heard of the korean moonie cult that cult that owns kahr arms
[02:16:45] <kyonko> the gun church
[02:17:02] <Runaway1956> nahhh, never did
[02:17:02] <kyonko> don't think they are they only ones, or the biggest
[02:17:19] <kyonko> don't think they only have a space race between musk, branson and bezos
[02:17:29] <kyonko> although musk won it, but he didn't fly himself
[02:17:39] <kyonko> they have secret armies
[02:17:51] <kyonko> secret navies... but that would be more like the seaorg of scientology
[02:18:19] <kyonko> the mormons here have been ready since decades ago, they are pacifists and think they can survive just hiding out, not exposing themselves and repopulating the earth
[02:18:39] <kyonko> I don't get why normal people never saw the obvious trend
[02:19:34] <kyonko> if you control the computers and the networks, you got it all
[02:20:13] <kyonko> the military invented the modern computer... yet they never saw it as a battle station sort of thing
[02:22:07] <kyonko> what did they do anyway, calculate things that were done by women on paper and pencil only faster and without rest?
[02:22:44] <kyonko> the germans hit paris with the paris gun in ww1 and it went on till someone fly on a by plane and started following the noise of the incoming shells
[02:23:47] <Runaway1956> Gun plot computers were a think by the second world war
[02:24:06] <Runaway1956> *thing*
[02:24:33] <Runaway1956> USS Alabama has a "computer room" that has to be 40 feet long, ten feet high, and about 40 feet wide
[02:24:58] <Runaway1956> nothing in there that the young generation would recognize as computer gear
[02:27:06] <raxas> computers are good enough, as always were adequate to techlevel available. it's the software what's done completely wrong these days. intentionally.
[02:27:13] <kyonko> reallyb bizarre stuff
[02:27:18] <Bytram> IIRC the gear was all analog and computed real-time firing solutions incoporating things like ship's speed and heading as well as roll, pitch, and yaw
[02:27:29] <kyonko> I wonder if the google search results for "nathan okun" have changed, a navy nerd
[02:28:10] <kyonko> and it gets weirder that macarthur used PCM in binary to encode human 8khz telephone speech because the japanese wouldn't know what binary was
[02:28:16] <Runaway1956> Yep, the computer took everything into account Bytram
[02:28:22] <kyonko> it was PCM, just not cd quality
[02:29:14] <Runaway1956> Of course, a near miss with one of those guns would kill almost anything except another battleship
[02:29:22] <kyonko> navy war gaming is strange stuff, such as "hitting below the (armour) belt"
[02:29:44] <Runaway1956> That's old hat kyonko - there is no armor anymore
[02:29:52] <kyonko> I don't like armor
[02:30:08] <Bytram> that's amrore'
[02:30:13] <Bytram> ;)
[02:30:24] <Bytram> Runaway1956: PM?
[02:30:30] <kyonko> I wonder what happened to all the navy wargaming games
[02:30:41] <kyonko> this was before DND
[02:31:03] <kyonko> stuff like 999 tiny boats = 1 battleship
[02:31:14] <Runaway1956> yep
[02:31:16] <kyonko> it sounds silly, but it actually worked out
[02:31:34] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[02:31:37] <systemd> ^ 03Extracting 6,000 volts from Crappy Coffee (Coffinator 6000)
[02:31:52] <kyonko> its exactly what is going on with somali pirates
[02:32:06] <kyonko> and a bit of psychological warfare too
[02:32:40] <kyonko> you have one skinny on a dingee trying to get capsized by the wake of your merchant liner
[02:33:00] <kyonko> and nother skinny on a dingy with a chain fed machine gun threatening the curious onlookers of your crew on deck
[02:33:11] <kyonko> still sounds silly right?
[02:33:33] <kyonko> its silly till the merchant vesssel stops and is boarded by the skinnies and rammed on the somali coast and looted
[02:34:29] <kyonko> this is what I thought was going on with BLM in 2020
[02:34:50] <kyonko> all it takes is one BLM rioter in the middle of the road blocking trafficking for the chain reaction to begin
[02:35:35] <kyonko> I've thought about armoring cars, but that would just draw negative attention that you have something worth looting, unless of course, you build some kind of decoy and cover up
[02:45:24] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[02:45:27] <systemd> ^ 032020 AURUS Senat S600 and L700 Limousine - Executive Russian Сar
[02:47:24] <kyonko> is it armoured?
[02:47:25] <kyonko> its probably the privately sold russian equivalent of the beast
[02:47:25] <kyonko> the beast can take on almost anything except a backpack sized neutron bomb
[02:47:46] <kyonko> the bankers are going a "new direction" with their wars and weapons, they never used the neutron bomb
[02:48:25] <kyonko> the fact that oil pipelines and storage tanks are being bombed in the middle east should be telling
[02:49:17] <kyonko> even if they are protected by a CIWS super high rate of fire chain gun, the drones will still keep coming
[02:49:32] <kyonko> the drones deploy chaff to appear bigger then they are
[02:49:45] <kyonko> triggering the CIWS to fire and waste all its ammo
[02:49:50] <kyonko> bad times we are in lads
[02:51:30] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[02:51:33] <systemd> ^ 03Biden's BEAST Vs Putin's NEW Limo: Which One Wins?
[02:51:49] <kyonko> raxas: what is the european point of view of the german unrestricted submarine warfare of ww1?
[02:52:01] <kyonko> thats what got the USA into the war, when they sunk the lusitania
[02:52:08] <kyonko> a damned twin of the titanic
[02:52:44] <kyonko> the BEAST carries chilled blood in a cooler
[02:53:00] <kyonko> I never understood the trend of marking soldier uniforms with blood type and ape factor (Rh)
[02:53:08] <kyonko> whats next, i have mouse ears?
[02:53:42] <kyonko> for a while wal-mart was selling quik-klot but they stopped
[02:53:54] <kyonko> they also sell water purification tablets
[02:55:52] <kyonko> or did, been a while
[03:01:58] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://blogs.sciencemag.org from the knowledge-drives-out-fear dept
[03:02:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Spike Protein Behavior | in the Pipeline" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:02:24] <AzumaHazuki> this one's for Runaway1956 and the other anti-vaxxers. Learn yourself a biochemistry. And fucking get vaccinated already.
[03:03:11] <raxas> kyonko:lusitania was actually a legitimate military target https://en.wikipedia.org a typical british deceit
[03:03:13] <systemd> ^ 03RMS Lusitania - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[03:12:21] <kyonko> AzumaHazuki: what about vaccination at prison induction?
[03:12:45] <AzumaHazuki> what specifically about it?
[03:12:49] <kyonko> biochemistry, the big one is ATP
[03:12:55] <kyonko> phosphorus
[03:13:14] <kyonko> and why white phosphorus (the incendiary white smoke producing chemical weapon) has such a low low LD50
[03:13:28] <kyonko> all bad shit leading to death has phosphorus in it
[03:13:37] <kyonko> nerve agents
[03:14:06] <kyonko> phosphate, nitrogen, potassium.... all needed for plants to grow out of engineered soils
[03:14:25] <kyonko> you can just throw waxy chunks of elemental pure phosphorus at the miracle gro
[03:17:01] <AzumaHazuki> sure, that's totally true. this is why drinking water (H2O) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) is exactly as safe. same elements. relative proportions or bonding geometry means nothing
[03:17:50] <kyonko> H2O2 like sodium hypochlorite, actually do have a expiration date
[03:18:48] <AzumaHazuki> ...why do i even bother? go take your meds and have a nap, jesus
[03:56:23] <Runaway1956> Don't anyone tell 'Zumi that the spike damages your heart, lol
[03:56:42] <kyonko> they are attacking the heart, blood and vessels this time
[03:56:53] <kyonko> looks like the psych meds attacking the nervous system wasn't enough
[03:57:21] <kyonko> leave you with drug indunced parkinsonism so bad you can't hurt anyone, not even yourself
[03:57:29] <Runaway1956> That spike binds to almost everything in the vascular system
[03:57:33] <kyonko> you are going to need a housecall from kevorkian
[03:57:43] <Runaway1956> doesn't matter that the virus isn't there to take advantage of it
[03:58:04] <kyonko> doctors kill all the time, don't know why they made an example of kevorkian for killing people who couldn't do it themselves
[03:58:49] <Runaway1956> I'm not suicidal, but I know damned well that if I ever decide to pull the plug, no one is going to stop me, lol
[04:01:26] <kyonko> ok
[04:01:34] <kyonko> usually you will know you are dying
[04:01:59] <kyonko> having a leg amputated isn't one of them
[04:03:23] <kyonko> this is all sequelae of "obama care"
[04:03:33] <kyonko> or mccain-palin "death panels"
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[07:52:04] <chromas> I don't know why people think being against covid vaccinations makes someone anti-vax
[09:14:04] <kyonko> fixing things conceived to be thrown away is a big migraine
[09:14:23] <kyonko> immunizations and boosters work... untill we got overpopulated and redundant
[09:14:52] <kyonko> somehow the religious don't gave a fuck about overpopulation as it means more human consciousness will be forced to believe their shtick
[09:15:30] <kyonko> only 20% of japan has been "covax-ed"
[09:15:39] <chromas> Overpopulation isn't a problem so long as we exterminate the infidels.
[09:15:41] <kyonko> this is also the country that refuses to sign up as organ donors
[09:16:05] <kyonko> remember the organ donor mark on your id card?
[09:16:34] <chromas> I've already been killed three times for my organs because of that mark
[09:16:45] <kyonko> yeah you got your brain waves set to flat line
[09:16:52] <kyonko> ok, now harvest
[09:17:53] <kyonko> its really out of control, they are putting normal 20/20 lenses into myopic transplantees
[09:18:14] <kyonko> and you have to take special drugs and live in a bubble so your immune system doesnt kill off your cadaver lenses
[09:25:51] <chromas> Aren't we already doing that?
[09:26:10] * chromas flattens the curve for another 20 days
[09:26:44] <kyonko> ever seen a pressure/velocity curve of a bullet in a gun barrel?
[09:27:15] <kyonko> big or small gun, its more or less the same
[09:27:28] <kyonko> from handgun to battleship
[09:28:49] <kyonko> a lot of people just thought of it as a cold to be avoided.... except for a psycho fringe
[09:29:09] <kyonko> the toilet paper hoarders
[09:29:36] <kyonko> thats when I knew next time something happens, probably global nuclear war, the cannibal march will begin
[09:30:16] <kyonko> around march of 2020 I wasn't ready psychologically.... and it was a whole 90 more days of that
[09:30:39] <kyonko> I couldn't just say "o' lord, protect ye"
[09:31:17] <kyonko> then the bored people of minneapolis wanted to back to their usual shit, and some big black man got killed by a knee on his neck
[09:31:29] <chromas> shoulder
[09:31:42] <kyonko> you paid attention?
[09:31:46] <chromas> shhhhh
[09:31:55] <kyonko> a lot of black folks think george floyd was sent to live to the caribbean
[09:32:06] <chromas> also ignore the part where he couldn't breathe long before he was on the ground
[09:32:14] <kyonko> these are the same people who think 2pac faked his own death
[09:32:30] <kyonko> dude
[09:32:39] <kyonko> reminds me of the santa claus shtick at home
[09:32:55] <chromas> he was going to be the next hero for Jesse Jackson but they didn't tell him he was going to be a martyr
[09:33:07] <kyonko> strange that
[09:33:23] <chromas> what happaned to santy clause?
[09:33:29] <kyonko> norad santa
[09:33:34] <kyonko> it must be real
[09:33:40] <kyonko> they give you little clues here and there
[09:33:56] <kyonko> like the roswell weather balloons to measure the direction of nuclear fall out
[09:34:28] <kyonko> history only had 3 recorded original plutonium bombs in the 1940's
[09:34:41] <kyonko> trinity, fatman and gilda in 1946
[09:34:54] <chromas> has the number magically gone up now, like other historical numbers?
[09:35:02] <kyonko> gilda had the demon core which radiation poisoned some fool hardy scientists at los alamos
[09:35:12] <kyonko> i find it very interesting
[09:35:36] <kyonko> the black folks claim the port chicago explosion in california was a little boy bomb
[09:37:58] <kyonko> the british soon made plutonium and exploded a fat man clone bomb in australia in a remote harbor under operation hurricane
[09:38:20] <kyonko> it was inside of a boat steamed into a harbor
[09:38:31] <kyonko> they wanted to see how destructive that would be
[09:38:54] <kyonko> which leads you back to the port chicago incident
[09:39:38] <kyonko> unless you have specific instrumentation that requires vacuum tubes, you won't feel the radiation... you will get weakness and diarhea
[09:39:56] <kyonko> real bizarre shit bro
[09:39:56] <chromas> diarrhea of the keyboard
[09:40:11] <kyonko> i can't believe we as a species still keep upping the ante
[09:40:40] <kyonko> gmo's quietly came into the scene in the 1990's
[09:41:24] <kyonko> sure russia got the h-bomb and space travel, but the gmo's came into the scene when they were having many internal wars
[09:41:40] <kyonko> and china was busy getting ready to make lots of computers for michael dell
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[10:41:32] <Subsentient> Well I've finally done it, I've had an excuse to write an absolutely nauseating series of short stories. I simply hope that I can live up to the level of depravity established all those years ago by Ethanol-fueled.
[10:41:33] <Subsentient> https://soylentnews.org
[10:41:34] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of Subsentient (1111)
[11:01:42] <kyonko> ...
[11:01:58] <FatPhil> I'm waiting for kyonko's journal
[11:02:12] <kyonko> you will notice when I sign up for soylent news and visit your fatphil
[11:02:21] <kyonko> you might even get a HELO from my ipv6
[11:02:26] <kyonko> or is it EHLO
[11:04:02] <kyonko> I was talking earlier about refurbishing a 2011 compaq wal-mart laptop
[11:04:36] <kyonko> just as I was screwing in the wifi adaptor, the screws began to shave off
[11:06:05] <kyonko> tiny flakes
[11:06:29] <kyonko> i think i got them all with a q-tip, where they promptly got absorbed never to be seen again
[11:07:03] <kyonko> why sweat this, when graphite dust is bad as well
[11:07:26] <FatPhil> probably whiskers on the joints anyway
[11:07:29] <kyonko> and i shit you not, graphite on wood pulp is very permanent untill the fire or mold gets it
[11:07:33] <kyonko> lol yeah
[11:07:44] <kyonko> I remember the whiskers from the late 2000's
[11:07:59] <FatPhil> solder composition has changed over time
[11:08:17] <kyonko> solder has the devil in the details
[11:08:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California Sues Activision Blizzard Over "Culture of Sexual Harassment" - https://sylnt.us - fraternité
[11:08:24] <kyonko> you won't get anything going untill you get to 200W
[11:10:18] <kyonko> but the problem is, they don't gracefully engineering the micro part to the macro part
[13:07:37] <requerdanos> upgrading my debian from 10 to 11 (prerelease). apt and the apt suite of tools to me are not far above hand-wavy magic.
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[13:24:55] <Subsentient> Wait until he realizes how bad Debian's package manager really is. I've had Debian systems commit seppuku with unrecoverable package databases several times, on Red Hat systems, not even once.
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[13:25:08] <Subsentient> Speak of the devil
[13:25:10] <Subsentient> Wait until he realizes how bad Debian's package manager really is. I've had Debian systems commit seppuku with unrecoverable package databases several times, on Red Hat systems, not even once.
[13:25:34] <requerdanos> I had mandrake eat itself for breakfast once, that used rpm
[13:25:53] <Subsentient> requerdanos: How many years ago?
[13:26:03] <requerdanos> mandrake? many years ago.
[13:26:05] <Subsentient> Because for me, RPM has been far more reliable since at least 2008
[13:26:12] <Subsentient> Yeah, before they renamed to mandriva, then died
[13:26:21] <requerdanos> of course, I didn't specify good magic or bad magic, more like opaque magic.
[13:26:40] <Subsentient> dpkg/apt is cat diarrhea compared to modern rpm and Fedora's DNF package manager
[13:26:43] <requerdanos> for example, the machine came back up with no network
[13:27:43] <Subsentient> Yeah that would be the package scripts. Those things can be analyzed, they usually have little bits of shell script embedded in pre and post installation of the .deb or .rpm
[13:28:14] <Subsentient> Or, perhaps Debian 10 >> 11 changed the network configuration entirely
[13:28:25] <Subsentient> and therefore had no default connection info
[13:28:51] <Subsentient> They're not magic, the scripts aren't that complicated, there's just a lot of them, for all those thousands of packages
[13:31:05] <requerdanos> debian 11 dropped Task Coach, which I use to remind me when to renew domains and virtual servers; downloaded and installed it from their website.
[13:32:22] <requerdanos> hmm, network-manager isn't installed, that might have some effect
[13:34:19] <requerdanos> yeah (un)fortunately after that bad experience with mandrake many many years ago I pretty much devoted myself to learning "the debian way"
[13:34:43] <requerdanos> believing their bit about being the universal operating system.
[14:17:23] <Subsentient> requerdanos: Yeah I hear that a lot. RPM used to be much, much worse. It's gotten very good over the last decade, however. Dnf is awesome, for example.
[14:23:27] <requerdanos> I hear nothing but good things about RPM and dnf
[14:41:52] <t3> the red hat tooling is all really nice
[14:42:26] <t3> if it wasn't for the binary journal stuff, almost nobody would complain about systemd
[14:59:10] <raxas> I recognize stockholm syndrome when I see it
[15:00:01] <requerdanos> systemd works fine, have had few problems with it
[15:02:38] <raxas> nice contradiction. it's all about slowly pushing treshold of tolerance and acceptability, similar to overton's window on taboos
[15:03:08] <requerdanos> I disagree with that assesment.
[15:03:17] <t3> systemd is very similar to what the BSDs have IMO
[15:10:43] <raxas> the inner principle of this mind state is: you are doomed to defend at all costs what you hold, for you deeply know are not allowed for having better
[15:11:57] <requerdanos> actually systemd trades its smaller set of problems for a larger one, reducing the overall problems. If software's crap, I don't defend it. Not sure what you're on about.
[15:13:27] <requerdanos> some people choose not to systemd, and I don't fault their decisions nor their reasoning, but it works fine for me on the servers and workstations I use/manage, which is what counts for me.
[15:15:53] <raxas> last one critical systemd vulnerability is two days ago. persisted for 6 years. a never ending story. that's what I am about
[15:16:32] <requerdanos> fair enough, but that doesn't mean that t3 and I have stockholm syndrome, nor that we're held in thrall by some defective software.
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[15:45:00] <Runaway1956> Who remembers those spammy misogyinistic murder fantasies that AC published on a boatload of stories?
[15:45:10] <Runaway1956> I wonder if we've found the author now . . .
[15:45:15] <Runaway1956> https://soylentnews.org
[15:45:17] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Resplendent Depravity -- Intro
[15:46:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dutch Startup 3D Prints Bridge with 10,000 Pounds of Stainless Steel - https://sylnt.us - bridge-to-somewhere
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[16:18:36] <raxas> looks like he just fed some deviant porn stories and couple of resumés stolen from a HR department through a python-stitched AI
[16:19:13] <raxas> I would be more concerned when lawyers start doing this with their laws
[16:56:16] <AzumaHazuki> uh, have you SEEN the tax code?
[16:56:31] <AzumaHazuki> "deviant porn" is a fair description, if rather unfair to deviant pornographers
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[20:36:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Raspberry Pi: Ten Years of the Forum and Blog - https://sylnt.us
[20:40:26] <FatPhil> dudes - anyone able to find the "why I hate albinoni" vid - my googoo skills are failing me
[20:42:35] <FatPhil> along the lines of Axis of Awesome "4 chord song", but about half a decade earlier
[20:54:01] <AzumaHazuki> hm...i think i'm going to stay in Artix a while. Gentoo is getting to be too much even with a fairly recent laptop and there's the ABS for custom packages
[20:54:10] <AzumaHazuki> ...like forcing Audacious into GTK2 mode
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[21:26:57] <FatPhil> gegntoo became too much about an hour after I first chose to install it.
[21:27:13] <FatPhil> not after I'd installed it, that was days in the future.
[21:29:16] <FatPhil> the nice thing about the slowness of gentoo is that it managed to last longer than slackware, which was dismissable within minutes.
[21:29:35] <AzumaHazuki> i really do love gentoo, and it was my first Linux, but it takes too long for the RoI these days
[21:29:44] <AzumaHazuki> maybe if i had a desktop with like a 5600X in it or something
[21:31:20] <t3> compiling world is pointless on any machine fast enough to do it in a reasonable time
[21:32:48] <AzumaHazuki> actually the Zen series are far enough away from base x86_64 ISA to make it well worth it...though my usual reasoning for Gentoo is control via USE flags and a local repo
[21:36:53] <t3> I don't really understand why I had so much more patience when it literally took 24 hours to build xorg
[21:37:43] <t3> nowadays I don't bother compiling anything unless I have no choice
[22:10:43] <FatPhil> well, there you fucking go - it is possible to be with someone for 23 years without either of you killin each other - hooray!
[22:12:43] <FatPhil> 8402 happy days. Apart from the ones where we were trying to kill each other, of course.
[22:13:09] <Runaway1956> That's easy fatphil - you find someone else to kill instead
[22:14:03] <FatPhil> we don't like to talk about that
[22:14:17] <Runaway1956> I saw that on a Youtube video recently - married with kids, but now and again he lured in some woman to torture an dkill
[22:15:54] <FatPhil> Rodney Alcala, he was quite handsome, quite charismatic
[22:16:42] <FatPhil> Now he's dead, perhaps long hair can become fashionable again, rather that a bit paedo.
[22:17:03] <FatPhil> s/that/than/
[22:17:04] <SedBot> <FatPhil> Now he's dead, perhaps long hair can become fashionable again, rather than a bit paedo.
[22:20:21] <Runaway1956> Long hair is for the goats who stare at men
[22:23:56] <FatPhil> fark yoooooooo!
[22:24:12] <FatPhil> not had a haircut for over 30 years
[22:24:39] <Runaway1956> Do you also have a beard to your knees?
[22:24:54] <FatPhil> I can't grow a beard for toffee
[22:25:12] <Runaway1956> protip: keep the toffee out of your beard
[22:25:30] <Runaway1956> bird's nests are alright though
[22:25:41] <FatPhil> gimme 6 months, and I might manage a musketeer's tache
[22:26:26] <Runaway1956> Fate cheated me - I can grow an alright beard, if I keep it trimmed, but I can't grow one of those awesome ZZ Top beards
[22:26:50] <FatPhil> I can do it on top, others can do it below, it's all good
[22:30:46] <FatPhil> Oh - movie recommendation: /The Endless/ - 2017-ish
[22:31:09] <FatPhil> Kinda weird, but in a really nice way.
[22:31:48] <Runaway1956> I just happened to be browsing my pirated movies folder, lol
[22:31:56] <Runaway1956> maybe I add that . . .
[22:32:14] <FatPhil> saw it last night - still chatting with the g/f about it today
[22:32:15] <Runaway1956> Oh, I have it already
[22:32:25] <t3> I can grow a beard since I was 13, started going thin up top at 16
[22:32:31] <t3> win some, lose some
[22:33:02] <FatPhil> it *might* be kinda sequelly to /Resolution/ (2012), but I've not seen that yet
[22:34:07] <Runaway1956> I think the weirdest freaking movie in my collection is The American Astronaut (2001)
[22:34:08] <raxas> I tell you why unix is a poor option for pirating movies in 21st century:
[22:34:12] <raxas> ERROR: unable to open for writing: [Errno 63] File name too long: '《我是大神仙》第1、2季 全集合集 8小时超长 年仅七岁却超速生长的短命神童时江，为恢复正常生活，带着寄宿体内的某位大神仙闯入仙界，从此在异世中和神仙们斗智斗勇，走上成为仙界大亨的传奇之路！-E-rRipTHoPI.f137.mp4.part'
[22:34:15] <Runaway1956> There is zero point to it
[22:34:31] <raxas> zfs
[22:34:53] <Runaway1956> zulu file system
[22:35:57] <FatPhil> any filesystem that doesn't have a sane maximum filename length is a filesystem which permits insane-length filenames.
[22:36:50] <raxas> the idiocy is advocated with funny arguments here https://unix.stackexchange.com
[22:36:51] <systemd> ^ 03What is the sense behind ZFS's limits?
[22:37:02] * FatPhil gives raxas a '-o foo.mp4'
[22:37:15] <raxas> of course I do -o
[22:37:55] <FatPhil> so you complained here because .... ?
[22:37:56] <raxas> but. that loses some information and adds complexity to working human procedure
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[22:38:21] <FatPhil> OK, I'll let kyonko take over
[22:38:38] <FatPhil> kyonko: don't let him off lightly!
[22:38:46] <kyonko> the jerry cans can only safely contain 3 gals out of 5 gal cap
[22:39:13] <kyonko> since this is a chemical problem, i'll just throw distilled water at it untill all the yellow paint dissolves away from the inside
[22:40:03] <kyonko> i still think some eastern european guy wants to me to remember that eventually all engines have to be taken apart
[22:41:20] <kyonko> mexicans never really cared for refining their gasoline and diesel fuel, but their kerosene is global grade
[22:42:02] <kyonko> and i forgot whats going on with all the mice in the room
[22:43:46] <kyonko> i've lost track of my science
[22:44:29] <kyonko> why worry about shavings from a tiny laptop screw, graphite from a pencil is just as bad
[22:44:37] <kyonko> no pencils allowed beyond this point
[22:44:52] <kyonko> YOU JUST DESTROYED 250GB OF DATA
[22:46:08] <Runaway1956> If bittorrent were all that great, I wouldn't have to wait until season 6 to download season 6 complete
[22:47:52] <requerdanos> you are thinking maybe of timetraveltorrent
[22:48:16] <Runaway1956> Just timetorrent would be good - I don't need to travel to the torrent
[22:48:56] <requerdanos> there's a short story you might enjoy called "Bob Dylan, Troy Johnson, and the Speed Queen"
[22:49:07] <Runaway1956> although - since you mention time traveling . . . yeah, I'm willing to relocate
[22:50:21] <kyonko> someone is watching you torrent anyway, especially if you are doing it on VPN
[22:50:42] <kyonko> i've never given tor a try
[22:50:50] <kyonko> but facebook has had a hidden service for years
[22:50:57] <kyonko> i wonder why
[22:51:06] <requerdanos> probably better not to torrent over tor
[22:51:14] <kyonko> probably something to do with tranny story time pedo debauchery
[22:51:30] <Runaway1956> the moment you sign into facefook, you've screwed up any reason for using TOR
[22:51:45] <kyonko> there is a lot of anons on facebook, most I reckon, are rich people
[22:51:59] <kyonko> you can't ban a rich person from the internet
[22:52:04] <kyonko> they will just buy a new way in
[22:52:05] <Runaway1956> Do they sign in?
[22:52:21] <kyonko> yes, but they have psychological tricks to try to lower their foot print
[22:52:41] <requerdanos> signing in with a handwave and some pixie dust, as it were
[22:52:42] <Runaway1956> they aren't lowering their facefook footprint
[22:52:46] <kyonko> lol hand wave
[22:53:08] <kyonko> when dealing with anons i've learned that asking them who they really are is a waste of time
[22:53:14] * Runaway1956 prefers shaking his boot, and turning three times widdershins
[22:53:55] <kyonko> I know the story of tor and us navy
[22:54:10] <kyonko> why would you ever use it for crime
[22:54:15] <requerdanos> asking facebook who they are is probably somewhat more productive
[22:54:31] <kyonko> their share holders know
[22:54:43] <kyonko> buy face book stock then you are legally entitled
[22:55:06] <kyonko> its not about their stupid little ads, i regret not joining facebook earlier
[22:55:57] <kyonko> the facebook ads in 2015 were very unobtrusive
[22:56:06] <kyonko> it definately couldn't be about the ad platform
[22:56:22] <kyonko> same with twitter
[22:56:30] <kyonko> google ads never bugged me
[22:56:44] <kyonko> but google did little things here and there to let you know, they know
[22:56:56] <requerdanos> facebook lately has been trying to sell me offensive T-shirts. No idea what I did to deserve that.
[22:57:09] <kyonko> oh facebook has been trying to sell me body armor for years
[22:57:28] <kyonko> i see more people open carry than wearing body armor and open carrying
[22:57:37] * Runaway1956 has a huge collection of offensive T-shirts
[22:57:48] * Runaway1956 can offend anyone, at a moment's notice
[22:57:51] <kyonko> i've never understood the tac vest and body armor thing
[22:58:15] <kyonko> i knew this guy on irc, old man, he wore body armor and open carried because of the hindu nuffins back in ferguson, mo
[22:58:17] <Runaway1956> vests are cool, tac vests not so much
[22:58:35] <Runaway1956> the dindu nuffins you mean
[22:58:40] <kyonko> obama was the original hitler
[22:58:44] <kyonko> no, hindu nuffins
[22:58:49] <Runaway1956> I've not met any hindu nuffins
[22:58:53] <kyonko> includes white people
[22:59:01] <kyonko> lol, you haven't seen the blue haired freaks?
[22:59:04] <kyonko> land whales?
[22:59:25] <Runaway1956> so, dindus can't be white? I dindno that
[22:59:48] <kyonko> its the trendy hindu/buddhist white people
[23:00:03] <kyonko> wipipo
[23:00:36] <Runaway1956> Oh, those are the people who get hindu/asian/chinese/korean letters tattood on their bodies, but have no idea what they mean
[23:01:00] <Runaway1956> The oriental dude looking at them sees "I'm a fekkin wanker!"
[23:01:43] <kyonko> yeah those people, the worse are women
[23:01:47] <kyonko> especially "horse women"
[23:02:05] * Runaway1956 has nothing against hoarse women
[23:02:16] <kyonko> what about "boat men"?
[23:02:31] <kyonko> on another irc network some guy working in wyoming said he got a sovereign citizen hauling a boat
[23:02:36] <kyonko> more like a troll citizen
[23:02:40] * Runaway1956 decides not to research any of that shit
[23:03:06] <kyonko> well, this guy really was a boat man, no plates, no papers, no id, but the boat checked out on the computer
[23:03:32] <Runaway1956> Well, if I had a boat, I would expect it to be computer literate
[23:03:54] <kyonko> i know a sovereign citizen in WI
[23:04:28] <requerdanos> you probably know someone who believes themselves to be a sovereign citizen....
[23:04:34] <kyonko> this guy actually is
[23:04:50] <kyonko> he claims to not recognize the canadian-us border
[23:05:00] <requerdanos> that doesn't make it go away
[23:05:04] <kyonko> claims defense attorneys in his county open carry
[23:05:05] <Runaway1956> I can be as arrogant as any sovereign citizen without claiming to be one
[23:05:33] <kyonko> too bad rand paul wasn't open carrying
[23:06:45] <kyonko> as a sov-cit i don't know how this guy can even own guns
[23:06:55] <kyonko> you need to be a us citizen to own guns, otherwise you are just a mexican
[23:07:16] <Runaway1956> that's nonsense - you don't have to be a citizen
[23:07:17] <kyonko> the 3rd worlders always find a way to get a gun
[23:07:42] <requerdanos> Runaway1956++ "That's Nonsense" excellent assessment
[23:07:42] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 37
[23:08:19] <kyonko> no power that be is going to be happy about detaining you and questioning you and finding a gun with an obliterated serial number or smooth bore barrel
[23:08:57] <Runaway1956> some people go through life seeking little more than to please the powers that be
[23:09:13] <kyonko> we already have enough problems with gmo mice
[23:09:15] * Runaway1956 urinates on the Potabians
[23:09:34] <kyonko> the chinese keep the mice in plastic bins, like books on a book shelf
[23:09:48] <kyonko> real odd set up, makes me think its just theater
[23:10:17] <kyonko> the real set up would be bins that can be washed under pressure to a sewage treatment system all pipelined
[23:10:45] <kyonko> "take the mice to work" then wash their containers in an automated fashion
[23:11:32] <requerdanos> so, you are talking about mouse DNA manipulation minutiae?
[23:11:36] <kyonko> tl;dr of NHK 2030 documentary: you won't be able to make it in life if you aren't gmo human
[23:11:49] <kyonko> yeah thats all they show us anyway
[23:12:24] <kyonko> the laboratory enviroment looks very relaxed, far from "bat woman" and her blow up doll outer layer
[23:12:43] <kyonko> lots of images of chinese poverty
[23:12:46] <kyonko> (obligatory)
[23:13:40] <kyonko> the gene gun was so 1990's-2000's, this is the age of cas criper 9, do it live, no need to reboot!
[23:14:28] <kyonko> but they still used the damn "gold particle" sliding down the double helix, latching to the modification point and doing its magic
[23:14:38] <kyonko> nano gold
[23:14:51] <kyonko> so this is how we end up with q-anon and covaxx conspiracy
[23:15:24] <kyonko> the nano gold doesn't teleport to another universe anyway
[23:15:29] <requerdanos> So, researchers manipulate DNA using gold which results in, what, again?
[23:15:29] <kyonko> it stays there, for a long time
[23:15:34] <raxas> I wish people wear their IQ value in a publicly readable obligatory QR passports, like they do covid information
[23:15:40] <kyonko> spider silk in goat milk (circa 2000's)
[23:15:48] <raxas> that would make a real change to civilization
[23:16:12] <kyonko> so we have to make the spider silk protein milk bitter to taste because, you can't digest silk protein
[23:16:30] <kyonko> the clincher is the damn goat meat probably is very silky too
[23:16:40] <kyonko> the geat has a halved life span, but who cares!
[23:17:10] <kyonko> gold is expensive, you just use the gold nano particle to change the DNA of the parents for the gmo offspring
[23:17:17] <kyonko> but uh... we have cheapened it
[23:17:20] <kyonko> warp speed
[23:17:31] <kyonko> something more common on earth.... ALUMINUM
[23:17:36] <kyonko> its gold-ish
[23:17:46] <requerdanos> Does aluminum also cause Q-anon?
[23:18:20] <kyonko> q-anon is what happens when you have more people then you know what to do with so you have to make up a bunch of religious like rules about who is worth it and who is worth less
[23:18:36] <kyonko> like raxas said, but raxas made it overt
[23:18:59] <requerdanos> q-anon is what happens when one moron detached from reality listens to another
[23:19:38] <kyonko> q-anons can be treated according to AzumaHazuki
[23:20:00] <requerdanos> sure, by inviting the moron to drop by reality for a visit. They might like it.
[23:20:01] <AzumaHazuki> well, sooooort of
[23:20:09] <AzumaHazuki> the condition can sometimes self-limit
[23:21:46] <kyonko> what would you cure with cas 9 AzumaHazuki
[23:22:08] <kyonko> instead of gold nano particles, we just use cheez protein
[23:22:33] <AzumaHazuki> i'd rewrite my own genome to fix my clotting disorder. it's a fairly common (1 in 50 Caucasians) one called G20210A or prothrombin/factor II
[23:23:16] <kyonko> oh you have it early
[23:23:20] <kyonko> are you clotting already?
[23:23:34] <AzumaHazuki> everyone is, all the time
[23:23:52] <kyonko> yes I know, I've seen plenty on the internet
[23:23:54] <AzumaHazuki> hm, i'd also look through my genome for BRCA and APoE type and change them if they're bad
[23:24:14] <kyonko> and what if your skin color turns blue?
[23:24:27] <AzumaHazuki> that would be kind of attractive actually, if it were the right shade
[23:24:31] <kyonko> lol
[23:26:21] <AzumaHazuki> so...what little research i've been able to do makes me think the damage covid does is 1) almost entirely due to the spike protein, cytokine storms aside, and 2) mostly has to do with body-wide microclotting and mitochondrial damage via ACE2 dysregulation and abnormal Ca2+ flux
[23:26:28] <raxas> live-patching a running code is dangerous, on any platform. not for weak minds. no doubts it's dangerous on a human platform too
[23:26:30] <kyonko> the jelly fish mice that glow green are part of research into immortality
[23:26:59] <AzumaHazuki> so it turns out the habits I've been doing this whole time -- eat right, take magnesium, drink things that thin your blood, walk every day, keep current with shots -- are probably the best protection one can get
[23:27:02] <kyonko> raxas: yeah, thats why they kept it to the simple single celled organisms or things not alive at all "virus"
[23:27:17] <kyonko> I know about the gmo research regarding e. coli
[23:27:51] <kyonko> a fast mutator like a common cold is very tempting, you can get a god's eye view
[23:28:19] <kyonko> and NHK showed art by a cerebral palsy kid (very severe) painting god eye view cosmos scenes
[23:29:58] <kyonko> i get that covid19 is like.. chicken pox or shingles
[23:30:05] <kyonko> so why are we freaking out like its literally EBOLA
[23:30:18] <kyonko> i don't get that
[23:31:23] <requerdanos> covid19 is not like the flu, a cold, chicken pox, nor shingles. It's like covid-19.
[23:31:36] <kyonko> yeah, so why are there still old people around?
[23:31:47] <kyonko> (sounds like a lot, if humans come from apes, why are there still apes)
[23:32:05] <kyonko> these are really old people driving around and walking
[23:32:16] <kyonko> acting in 2021 like they did in 2011
[23:34:17] <kyonko> humans dont come from monkeys, they come from a cousin of monkeys
[23:34:30] <kyonko> (obligatory NHK image of an APE going APE)
[23:34:32] <raxas> if billionaires come from millionaires, why there are still millionaires
[23:34:41] <kyonko> lol
[23:34:50] <kyonko> raxas: the pyramid flops over, still a pyramid
[23:36:54] <kyonko> raxas: tell me about that blonde blonde that bred rats, was he good organizing floppy disks?
[23:39:11] <requerdanos> because "covid19" does not "immediately kill all old people"
[23:39:25] <kyonko> its a time bomb virus
[23:39:58] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[23:40:01] <systemd> ^ 03Thy Night'85 - Abigails Night
[23:43:20] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[23:43:22] <systemd> ^ 03Green's functions: the genius way to solve DEs
[23:47:58] <AzumaHazuki> huh...power's out in the back of the apartment. livingroom and kitchen still going though. weird
[23:49:02] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: Maybe a circuit breaker popped or a fuse blew?
[23:49:09] <AzumaHazuki> most likely yes
[23:49:28] <AzumaHazuki> it's good to know the range and dishwasher and the back circuits in the living room are on separate breakers from these
[23:50:49] <raxas> check for fire, especially on all socketed power supplies to funny electronics
[23:53:29] <kyonko> tiny fire
[23:53:48] <kyonko> if your lucky the short circuiting culprit will pop into oxide
[23:54:24] <kyonko> carbon is heavy, carbon monoxide is heavier, carbon dioxide is heaviest
[23:55:04] <kyonko> raxas is right, of course electrons don't exist, otherwise how does nitrogen and oxygen atmosphere transmit light?
[23:55:32] <kyonko> what kind of water is that surrounding the international space station?
[23:55:38] <kyonko> dark water
[23:56:06] <kyonko> it looks and feels watery untill you try to propel yourself in it
[23:56:12] <kyonko> and there is nothing to move around
[23:56:15] <kyonko> to move you
[23:57:12] <AzumaHazuki> what the merciless haemorrhaging fuck are you on about...?