#soylent | Logs for 2021-07-20

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[00:00:23] <raxas> first, classic turing's machine is just a special case of post's machine with marks. just a tool for proofs, not good for computing. but, more importantly for us, turing's theory is in contradiction with quantum mechanics
[00:00:44] <requerdanos> He is in good company with Newton on that one.
[00:00:50] <raxas> universe is not a turing machine
[00:02:07] <raxas> and that implies, some non-turing computers will be possible
[00:02:13] <raxas> to construct
[00:05:07] <raxas> and they will be impossible to program with current generation of turingian languages
[00:05:54] <raxas> the question is: what's missing to it then
[00:06:32] <raxas> I say: consciousness. self-reflection in temporal domain
[00:18:56] <requerdanos> So, because the universe isn't a turing machine, non-turing computers with temporal domain introspection are a given. ?
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[00:34:08] <c0lo> if khallow were to be a head of the state https://inews.co.uk
[00:34:09] <systemd> ^ 03Boris Johnson dismissed lockdown because 'only elderly people die of Covid', Cummings texts reveal
[00:34:39] <chromas> he should've put all the infected people in nursing homes
[00:36:27] <c0lo> That's fun at the beginning of the party, no longer after 9 months or so
[00:37:23] <c0lo> =yt uhP7ua1igNg
[00:37:24] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Boris Johnson doing his best Lord Farquaad impression... (15; 44,726 views; 👍728 👎11)
[00:45:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Israeli Spyware Maker Is in Spotlight Amid Reports of Wide Abuses - https://sylnt.us - NSO:-No-Such-Operation
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[01:11:29] <c0lo> =submit https://www.technologynetworks.com
[01:11:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Researchers Find Common Denominator Linking All Cancers" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:23:08] <Runaway1956> https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com
[01:23:09] <systemd> ^ 03Gun Meme of the Day: Cut It Off Edition - The Truth About Guns
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[02:48:19] <raxas> requerdanos: yes. because universe is obviously existent, and non-turing, but observably allows turingian structures to be constructed in it, it must also contain existentially a complement to the whole its turingian substructure. for if it did not, it would be turingian, a closed structure for turing machines composition, which is contradictory
[02:50:35] <raxas> also, there is at least one existent machine with temporal introspection implemented in teh universe, me.
[03:15:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ukraine Warehouse Packed with Thousands of PS4s was Actually a FIFA Ultimate Team Bot Farm - https://sylnt.us - oh-wow-that-was-honest-work
[03:17:14] <AzumaHazuki> so, question: can we Spam mod things like https://soylentnews.org or what?
[03:17:15] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Israeli Spyware Maker Is in Spotlight Amid Reports of Wide Abuses ( https://soylentnews.org )
[03:17:50] <AzumaHazuki> it's the same shit over and over. buzztard up there was pissy about Spam being used for anything but exact duplicates of previous messages but come on now, this guy's smearing his shit all over SN
[03:18:23] * chromas votes yes
[04:36:09] * c0lo votes yes multiple times
[04:40:06] * c0lo looks in disbelief how one can't spam a post at the rock bottom modding and wonders why
[04:46:08] * AzumaHazuki isn't surprised, just disappointed
[04:46:30] <AzumaHazuki> basically, none of the admins seem to know how to code, so SN's fork of slashcode is doomed to perpetual bitrot
[05:24:16] <chromas> We have the best cheerleaders though
[05:54:48] <c0lo> chromas could rewrite rehash in Rust,I hear
[05:54:57] <chromas> that was TheMightyBuzzard
[05:55:06] <chromas> I'd do it in D
[05:56:48] <chromas> no need though; it's already be rewritten in phpoo
[05:56:49] <c0lo> Even better. Throw in some dotnet C# on top, via native interface binding. Just to make sure it cannot run on other platforms but a certain version of CentOS.
[05:57:16] <chromas> D runs everywhere. No need for mono-diarrhea
[05:58:42] <c0lo> Keep up with the times, chromas. mobo is no longer needed, now dotnet runs an all major platforms.
[05:59:10] <chromas> All my PCs and servers have mobos
[05:59:54] <c0lo> This is why it needs to be straddled with a combination that is specific to one point in time, otherwise it may risk not rotting.
[06:00:55] <chromas> We just need to invent SoiCoin
[06:01:03] <chromas> Posting comments is the rpoof-of-work
[06:01:58] <c0lo> new ryptco currencies are easy. The memes for them are hard.
[06:02:41] <chromas> just recycle old memes
[06:03:39] <chromas> systemctl enable systemd-coind
[06:16:02] <c0lo> khallow will miss the fun in them
[06:21:01] <chromas> khallow'd be thy name. Thy coindom cum. Thigh meat well done.
[06:25:21] <chromas> also, just noticed what you did there. noice
[06:47:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blue Origin Set for Historic First Human Flight of its New Shepard System - https://sylnt.us - flight-has-it-ups-and-downs
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[08:02:47] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[08:02:50] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Russia Tests Hypersonic Tsirkon Missile, Leaving NATO Concerned About Potential Escalation - ABC New" (28p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:03:38] <c0lo> Bah, wake me up when they develop FTL missiles.
[08:26:00] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[08:26:03] <systemd> ^ 03Can a Tree Chop Itself Down?
[09:00:13] <FatPhil> Here comes another one... https://archive.vn
[09:00:17] <systemd> ^ 03Attention Required!
[09:16:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel in Talks to Buy GlobalFoundries for About $30 Billion - https://sylnt.us - Glo-with-the-Flo
[10:33:18] <c0lo> FatPhil++
[10:33:18] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 138
[10:42:58] <c0lo> =submit https://www.globaltimes.cn
[10:43:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03World's First 600km/h High-speed Maglev Train to Make Public Debut in Qingdao" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:51:01] <c0lo> =submit https://www.huffpost.com
[10:51:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Texas Senate Bill Drops Teaching Requirement That Ku Klux Klan is 'Morally Wrong'" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:52:49] <chromas> is that something they need to teach?
[10:53:47] <requerdanos> that's what I was thinking too
[11:07:27] <FatPhil> they shouldn't teach it, as it's not true.
[11:08:00] <requerdanos> some aspects of its practices could be considered morally suspect, one might argue
[11:08:45] <FatPhil> I'll give "suspect" a pass. I'm a moral relativist, and I do not admit the evaluations of "right" and "wrong".
[11:09:37] <FatPhil> I also think that morals pertain to individuals, not groups. Ethics is the better term for group beliefs.
[11:09:56] <requerdanos> the klan has a long history of having murder parties called "lynchings" where they select someone for their dark skin and kill them over light refreshments and socialization.
[11:10:36] <requerdanos> I would content that goes farther than just poor ethics, but I see your point.
[11:10:40] <FatPhil> And technically, if that's how their society has agreed to function, it's "right" in their ethical system no matter how repugnant I may view that system.
[11:11:32] <requerdanos> It's not how their society has agreed to function, though. they wear disguises because their behavior is socially not acceptable.
[11:12:20] <FatPhil> But it *was* how their society, at least locally, agreed to function.
[11:12:59] <requerdanos> you'd be hard put to explain the disguises with that argument.
[11:13:22] <FatPhil> Not at all.
[11:14:08] <FatPhil> They weren't disguises, they were merely ceremonial uniforms. Everyone knew who was in the Klan.
[11:14:23] <FatPhil> Look at the photos of the lynchings, almost nobody's masked up.
[11:14:29] <FatPhil> They're *proud* of being there.
[11:15:17] <chromas> Hm, who's been demanding masks lately?
[11:15:22] * chromas sets mode +shitpost
[11:15:25] <requerdanos> their pride doesn't make their greater society approving of their actions
[11:16:11] <FatPhil> if you're thinking of gish gallopping, don't bother, it will be detected very quickly indeed
[11:16:43] <Bytram> selection bias, maybe? Majority of photos taken (or that are publicized) are of the "unmasked" as they are more sensational?
[11:17:53] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:17:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5576
[11:18:22] <Bytram> ~tell
[11:18:37] <Bytram> ~tell Bytram testing
[11:18:46] <Bytram> !tell Bytram testing
[11:18:54] <Bytram> @tell Bytram testing
[11:19:02] <Bytram> #tell Bytram testing
[11:19:05] <c0lo> #Keep mum to bytram
[11:19:10] <Bytram> $tell Bytram testing
[11:19:10] <aqu4bot> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[11:19:17] <Bytram> AHA!
[11:19:17] <chromas> c0lo: s/m/b/
[11:19:18] <SedBot> <chromas> <c0lo> #Keep bum to bytram
[11:20:09] <c0lo> =submit countdown-to-cia-intervention-in-3... https://apnews.com
[11:20:12] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Leftist Rural Teacher Declared President-elect in Peru" (29p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:20:12] <Bytram> keep my mum (and bum) out of this!
[11:20:28] <chromas> no
[11:20:41] <FatPhil> Bytram: Or the opposite - would the masked photos be more scary, this unknown threat that lives amongst us? (which would only work if they were unknown, which I think is not the case)
[11:21:24] <chromas> important thing is, all remaining klan members are undercover feds circlejerking each other
[11:22:02] <FatPhil> I'm sure it's more thrilling to be sucked off through an eyehole not knowing who's behind the mask.
[11:22:18] <chromas> they don't know the others are also feds
[11:22:29] <Bytram> $tell AzumaHazuki I've said it before, and I believe I even mentioned it in a story, that I would not object posts like this being modded as spam: https://soylentnews.org
[11:22:29] <aqu4bot> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[11:22:51] <FatPhil> Hmmm, are we lowering the tone, chromas?
[11:23:30] <chromas> yes; take it down an octave
[11:23:38] <chromas> or did you mean I should be calling them glowies?
[11:23:50] <c0lo> =submit cancel-culture https://gizmodo.com
[11:23:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Amazon Cuts Off Service to NSO Spyware Firm Behind iPhone Hacks" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:23:55] <Bytram> infrared?
[11:24:38] <FatPhil> I'm not saying I grew up with a lot of testosterone in my system, but my voice is so low I can sing in the infrared.
[11:25:10] <chromas> =yt dee gees
[11:25:10] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Dee Gees | You Should Be Dancing (04:02; 2,279,858 views; 👍92,194 👎2,348)
[11:26:08] <c0lo> =submit now-sing-in-UV https://richmond.com
[11:26:11] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Petersburg Man Indicted in First Case in Va. Using Liquid Nanotechnology Called 'SmartWater' - a Sub" (29p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:26:12] <FatPhil> youtube's d/l rate sucking is increasing to about 1/3 of all downloads now...
[11:27:01] <Bytram> webcast scheduled to go live in 3 minutes: https://www.youtube.com
[11:27:03] <systemd> ^ 03New Shepard First Human Flight
[11:27:07] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[11:27:08] <systemd> https://youtube.com - New Shepard First Human Flight (00; 0 views; 👍2,773 👎63)
[11:27:35] <c0lo> good riddance. Stay there if you can.
[11:28:30] <Bytram> suborbital -- gravity wins
[11:28:34] <chromas> We just need that technology from Space Jam where you go into a portal in the center of the earth and then you somehow end up in space
[11:30:25] * chromas starts printing out keyboard halves
[11:31:41] <chromas> is the blue origin the bezos one?
[11:33:56] <chromas> Awhile back, I saw someone float the idea that Gates' & Bezos' divorces could be sneaky ways of divesting a bunch of their stock without being noticed
[11:34:05] <chromas> Any other richers suddenly divorcing lately?
[11:35:02] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:35:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5577
[11:46:56] <requerdanos> Approximately as likely is that the divorces are signals to aliens monitoring the news from Earth
[11:47:18] <Bytram> phone
[11:57:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Drought Threatens to Close California Hydropower Plant for First Time - https://sylnt.us - Dam-it!
[11:59:47] <raxas> this is BIG: https://www.leparisien.fr
[11:59:49] <systemd> ^ 03Vaccin Pfizer : le gouvernement va commander des doses pour 2022 et 2023
[12:01:16] <raxas> 2 billions doses of pfizer... for only 67 millions people. in 2022/23, re-vaccination will be every month
[12:01:37] <requerdanos> math not working there
[12:03:24] <raxas> The phrase "Des contrats portant sur deux milliards de doses Pfizer vont être signés dans les quinze prochains jours." needs no math to understand
[12:04:32] <requerdanos> well, except for the "deux milliards" part, possibly the "quinze prochains jours" part
[12:05:14] <requerdanos> I think they're wrong if they are planning for monthly boosters, not going to happen
[12:05:37] <raxas> Dans les quinze prochains jours, justement, des contrats vont être signés avec Pfizer pour les années 2022 et 2023.
[12:06:40] <raxas> fortunately, my french is still good enough for reading
[12:07:21] <requerdanos> My French is terrible.
[12:09:15] <requerdanos> I read "Over the fifteen upcoming days, truly, of the contracts will be signed with pfizer for the years 2022 and 2023." which I imagine is good enough
[12:09:49] <requerdanos> actually substitute within for over
[12:11:15] <requerdanos> interesting, google turns "quinze prochains jours" into "fortnight"
[12:11:47] <raxas> =submit https://www.health.news
[12:11:49] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Now Big Pharma is Pushing for a MONTHLY Covid Shot, Obliterating the False Narrative That Once Claim" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:12:05] <raxas> your talk is vain
[12:12:27] <requerdanos> big pharma pushing doesn't mean they will get their goal, right?
[12:12:41] <Bytram> =yt you're so vain carley
[12:12:42] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Carly Simon - You're So Vain (04:26; 6,174,699 views; 👍67,820 👎5,343)
[12:12:54] <progo> about 8 years ago someone in big pharma said pretty clearly that the future is all vaccines
[12:13:05] <progo> I don't have a citation
[12:13:21] <Bytram> phage++
[12:13:21] <Bender> karma - phage: 1
[12:14:46] <Bytram> T-46:00
[12:15:57] <progo> I don't get what's so special about Bezos' flight. is it anything more than a really expensive short suborbital photo op?]
[12:17:58] <requerdanos> I think you've summed it up properly
[12:18:28] <progo> is it bad luck to say "I hope your rocket doesn't fail"?
[12:21:05] <requerdanos> That's actually a great question.
[12:22:04] <raxas> yes, perpetual vaccination is a 7 years old concept, as documented by one of our renegade bio scientist. they expect 30% investment return
[12:22:06] <raxas> https://money.cnn.com
[12:22:08] <systemd> ^ 03PFE - Pfizer Inc Shareholders - CNNMoney.com
[12:27:27] <requerdanos> There's a free event at the Planetarium today (a mural unveiling). Looks like I may actually get out of the house.
[12:28:05] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[12:28:05] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 35
[12:28:41] * Bytram only needed 1 or 2 courses to get a minor in astronomy
[12:28:55] <progo> I hope it's not a political mural requerdanos. God smited a George Floyd mural last week with a rogue lightning bolt
[12:29:06] <FatPhil> requerdanos++ anything planetarium related gets an upvote
[12:29:06] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 36
[12:29:28] <requerdanos> "From Flight to Spaceflight"
[12:29:55] <requerdanos> presumably historico-scientific and not political
[12:30:09] <Bytram> sounds like it could be interesting!
[12:30:23] <FatPhil> one of our friends in the US was a planetarium director, and whilst he's theoretically retired he still does some consultancy work around the country.
[12:30:28] <requerdanos> I'm looking forward to it.
[12:31:12] <requerdanos> the event is a guided tour of each aspect of the mural
[12:32:40] <Bytram> One of my courses in college was "Fundamentals of Flight" -- went from balloons to gliders to powered flight, etc. Learned/derived coefficient of drag, coefficient of lift, ... was actually a lot of fun!
[12:34:28] <Bytram> T-30:00
[12:40:53] <progo> tried to find a figure for how statistically safe Bezos' rocket is
[12:40:59] <progo> the media is useless of course
[12:41:17] <progo> https://www.businessinsider.com
[12:41:17] <progo> > That's pretty high. It's about 10,000 times more dangerous than flying on a commercial airliner
[12:41:18] <systemd> ^ 03Jeff Bezos Is Putting His Life on the Line for Blue Origin's Rocket
[12:41:18] <FatPhil> good fake news you're pushing there, raxas, the fucknuts will lap it up.
[12:41:29] <progo> - referring to all human spaceflight and comparing it to the safest mode of travel
[12:41:47] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1126/science.abg3886 https://www.telegraphindia.com
[12:41:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Bengal Scientists Develop World’s Hardest Self-healing Material" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:42:09] <chromas> bonerium?
[12:42:27] <c0lo> Try harder, chromas
[12:42:36] <FatPhil> that's self-harming
[12:43:36] <c0lo> Look, FatPhil, those bengali did guarantee nothing about chromas'es head. So how's that relevant?
[12:44:48] <c0lo> =submit https://www.politico.com
[12:44:50] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03China is Buying Up American Farms. Washington Wants to Crack Down." (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:44:51] <raxas> Le Parisien is liberal mainstream since 1944, definitely not fake news
[12:45:00] <chromas> how many erectrons does it have?
[12:45:37] <chromas> Makes sense. They've been buying up everything else
[12:45:59] <c0lo> You mean Le Parisien is hard right wing?
[12:46:06] <chromas> no the Chinese
[12:46:26] <chromas> they're hard right wing
[12:50:27] <c0lo> Keep an eye on https://www.theguardian.com - that's the leak about that NSO. Signs that they may have enough to say Saudis used it on Khashoggi's phone. Or something.
[12:50:29] <systemd> ^ 03The Pegasus project | The Guardian
[12:52:11] <raxas> there is no hurry to argument. so far live reality has only 6 months lag behind wildest conspiracies. I can wait two weeks before continuing this discussion
[12:55:39] <FatPhil> You've completely misunderstood the story.
[12:56:27] <FatPhil> And leparisien wasn't the story you subbed, the story you subbed was from one of Mike Adams' shitnozzles.
[12:58:14] <raxas> I subbed closest english for obvious reason: most soylent readers are illiterate in french
[12:59:12] <c0lo> In any case, I'll probably take 3 doses in total and then consider myself fit to carry covid as any other cold.
[12:59:40] <c0lo> Likely, that's how it is going to end.
[12:59:51] <chromas> only three? you're gonna kill grandma!
[13:00:23] <c0lo> Gramma is dead.I have my old parents with me tho'.
[13:00:43] <chromas> better quadruple-mask
[13:00:57] <raxas> I call all this covid scenario a model gacha game. with only 3 doses, you will lose sooner than later
[13:01:03] <c0lo> Better work from home forevah.
[13:01:24] <chromas> if your job can be done from home, it can be done from India
[13:01:50] <c0lo> Not if I catch the strain of the year and get it to the end, raxas.
[13:02:07] <chromas> is there a vax for the current strain?
[13:02:52] <c0lo> The current vaxxes are good enough for the current strain.
[13:02:58] <raxas> russian are universal, all versions. that's why they are denied here
[13:03:27] <c0lo> Rrrrright. Universal. Mmmhhmm.
[13:03:35] <FatPhil> raxas: but it's not close at all. One's news, the other's shit straight from a shitnozzle.
[13:03:49] <FatPhil> THe actual story is that france is no longer blocking this: https://www.rfi.fr\
[13:03:50] <systemd> ^ 03Error 404 - Page not found - RFI
[13:03:59] <FatPhil> https://www.rfi.fr
[13:04:00] <raxas> so if I can't get a russian one, it's then nothing for me
[13:04:01] <systemd> ^ 03France accused of delaying EU order for 1.8 billion vaccine doses
[13:05:02] <raxas> and yes, mechanics of russian vaccines is completely different
[13:05:14] <requerdanos> For some people, well-sourced news and blathering nonsense look confusingly similar. An ongoing problem.
[13:05:51] <c0lo> Sure, the russians rely on microchips. Or something.
[13:06:31] <FatPhil> nanochips, which are infected by picoviruses
[13:07:03] <FatPhil> fortunately they're badly written picoviruses, and are riddled with femtobugs
[13:07:10] <c0lo> https://www.bmj.com
[13:07:12] <systemd> ^ 03Covid-19: What do we know about Sputnik V and other Russian vaccines?
[13:07:37] <c0lo> "they opted for two different adenovirus vectors (rAd26 and rAd5) delivered separately in a first and second dose, 21 days apart"
[13:07:58] <c0lo> Sorta like Oxford then.
[13:08:17] <FatPhil> A significant chunk of the population of Estonia is waiting for Sputnik, that's what I know about it.
[13:09:23] <Bytram> T-3:00 https://www.youtube.com
[13:09:25] <systemd> ^ 03New Shepard First Human Flight
[13:09:40] <FatPhil> The implicit trust of anything Mother Russia is still tangible. Large chunks of the rest of the population of course has an implicit *distrust*, for obvious reasons.
[13:10:19] <c0lo> https://www.health.gov.au
[13:10:21] <systemd> ^ 03Is it true? Does the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine contain animal DNA?
[13:10:33] <Bytram> T-1:45
[13:10:48] <Bytram> T-1:30
[13:10:51] <chromas> it's made out of paws
[13:10:56] <c0lo> "The AstraZeneca vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus vaccine vector. This is a harmless, weakened adenovirus that usually causes the common cold in chimpanzees. The adenovirus vaccine vector, known as ChAdOx1"
[13:11:06] <chromas> that's how they get their commas
[13:11:18] <Bytram> T-1:00
[13:11:39] <progo> abort abort! this hasn't been certified as carbon neutral
[13:11:58] <Bytram> T-0:20
[13:12:19] <Bytram> Ignition
[13:12:26] <Bytram> liftoff
[13:13:01] <chromas> maximum erection
[13:13:13] <progo> how long is the flight?
[13:13:22] <Bytram> 100 km
[13:13:28] <progo> how much time?
[13:13:40] <c0lo> 100km, progo
[13:13:41] <Bytram> dunno
[13:14:40] <Bytram> MECO
[13:14:44] <chromas> They need a bigger budget for their tripod tilt motor
[13:14:49] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[13:14:51] <systemd> ^ 03Dalibor Janda - Všechno na Mars
[13:14:56] <requerdanos> When I see "harmless" I interpolate "don't worry, totally harmless, trust us"
[13:15:05] <Bytram> T+2:45
[13:15:39] <Bytram> alt: 320 K ft
[13:16:13] <Bytram> alt: 350 K ft
[13:16:20] <Bytram> zero G
[13:16:38] <Bytram> descending
[13:16:56] <FatPhil> spent its load already?
[13:17:10] <Bytram> 1 minute watrning
[13:17:14] <requerdanos> Please return your tray tables and seatbacks to the full upright and locked position.
[13:17:15] <progo> trust the felons who intend to make all their profit from vaccines
[13:17:19] <Bytram> 300 kft
[13:17:40] <progo> lol! kilofeet
[13:17:59] <Bytram> 200 kft
[13:18:07] <FatPhil> ITYM pentimiles
[13:18:48] <Bytram> 10k
[13:18:51] <Bytram> ooops
[13:18:59] <Bytram> 20k
[13:19:01] <FatPhil> I hope that's a 'boom' oops
[13:19:05] <progo> -20ft?
[13:19:11] <Bytram> 10
[13:19:18] <Bytram> 5k
[13:19:31] <FatPhil> within ackack range
[13:19:48] <Bytram> booster has landed
[13:20:15] <FatPhil> Did he become a star child?
[13:20:25] <Bytram> capsule 10kft
[13:20:44] <Bytram> capsule 15kft
[13:20:53] <Bytram> cutes
[13:20:58] <Bytram> chutes
[13:21:05] <Bytram> 2k
[13:21:11] <Bytram> 2k
[13:21:17] <FatPhil> it got stuck?
[13:21:32] <chromas> The subtitles can't decide if "drogue" is "drone" or "probe"
[13:21:54] <Bytram> 1k ft
[13:22:15] <Bytram> 500ft
[13:22:37] <Bytram> landed
[13:22:51] <Bytram> 1+10:20
[13:23:09] <FatPhil> does he have to quarantine for 40 days now? can't risk him bringing space bugs to planet earth
[13:24:15] <progo> it's okay; he's elite and optionally exempt from any quarantine
[13:24:48] <Bytram> =yt anromeda strain
[13:24:48] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Andromeda Strain (1971) Trailer (02; 637,734 views; 👍2,463 👎73)
[13:25:12] <FatPhil> g/f's not seen that film - thanks for reminding me I need to stick it in the queue
[13:25:14] <requerdanos> This was totally fake, everyone knows the van allen belts would have killed everyone on board if it had been real
[13:25:30] <progo> VP Harris was in a meeting of Texas Party members, some of whom tested positive for plague, but Harris isn't going to quarantine
[13:25:31] <FatPhil> van halen belt is even more lethal
[13:25:38] <requerdanos> that too
[13:25:39] <FatPhil> =yt van halen eruption
[13:25:40] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Van Halen Eruption Guitar Solo (13:06; 17,188,413 views; 👍247,897 👎4,544)
[13:26:00] <Bytram> they caled out max altitude was, but I didn't quite catch it.... 310K ft?
[13:26:30] <FatPhil> so was your "16:16 <@Bytram> alt: 350 K ft" fake news?
[13:26:41] <requerdanos> ^^
[13:27:25] <FatPhil> Or is "K ft" a measurement unit for "moment of temperature"?
[13:27:54] <Bytram> yes!
[13:28:17] <progo> it's not like watts per day, which I've heard TWO cruising sailors say on two different youtube channels, about their on-board power systems
[13:29:28] <FatPhil> their integrated electronics systems take care of that error.
[13:31:41] <Bytram> everyone has disembarked
[13:32:10] <Bytram> laters
[13:33:28] <c0lo> good. Now, can we just forget about that much fuss for nothing?
[13:34:10] <FatPhil> I think we should build a shrine
[13:35:33] <FatPhil> And then start building the B Arks...
[13:36:19] <c0lo> "[23:12] <@Bytram> Ignition ... [23:22] <@Bytram> landed"... a shrine for that?
[13:41:00] <c0lo> https://www.businessinsider.com
[13:41:02] <systemd> ^ 03Millennials and Gen Z Will Bring Down the GOP
[13:41:49] <FatPhil> 10 minutes? That's longer than the first time I had sex, and that deserved a shrine, so yes, a shrine.
[13:43:16] <raxas> just a reminder: it's a fine scale metric for nukes delivery too
[13:46:45] <raxas> https://thefreethoughtproject.com
[13:46:46] <systemd> ^ 03French Police Lay Down Shields Join 100,000 Protesters Marching Against Vaccine Passport
[13:50:15] <raxas> Tous pour un, un pour tous !
[13:53:19] <c0lo> "In Lyon, the police arrested nine demonstrators, and in Dijon, they fired tear gas on marchers." I can understand why they laid down their shield. Joining the demostrators in handcuffs isn't an easy feat while carying a shield.
[13:53:35] <c0lo> https://greekreporter.com
[13:53:37] <systemd> ^ 03Vaccine Centers Vandalized in France, Thousands March Across Country
[13:54:35] <raxas> it's ok to arrest vandalizing provocateurs tasked with spoiling a protest. I approve that
[13:57:42] <c0lo> Good. I was a bit worried the French police acted without raxas approval.
[14:02:13] <c0lo> Looking at https://twitter.com I see police carrying the shield, wearing masks and walking in from of the demonstration. Doesn't look to me as a gesture of fraternité, but what do I know? Maybe the social signalling changed quite a lot since 20 years or so ago since I last been in France.
[14:28:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Semiconductor Crystals Tweaked to Realize Superior Properties for Electronics - https://sylnt.us
[14:38:31] <Runaway1956> Wife starts cackling in front of her computer, says "come look at this transbender car"
[14:38:50] <Runaway1956> Silver car, has been wrecked, one fender replaced with a black fender
[14:39:07] <Runaway1956> Written across the fender is "I identify as silver"
[14:41:25] <c0lo> Hmmm, I'd start noticing when I'd see https://preview.redd.it
[14:41:30] <FatPhil> Fuck
[14:41:36] <FatPhil> Nice knowing you guys
[14:42:04] <Runaway1956> What? Are the Soviets invading, or what? Or just the Russians?
[14:42:05] <FatPhil> Fucking Bezos has pissed off the martians, and they've sent their invasion fleet to take revenge for his territorial transgression: https://v.redd.it
[14:42:13] <systemd> ^ 03r/UFOs - Can someone please explain what I just saw on the ISS YouTube live feed? (Video name and time included) ( https://www.reddit.com )
[14:44:30] <Runaway1956> OK, well, I'll agree - it's been nice knowing us fatphil
[14:50:48] <c0lo> Meh, just wannabe tourists disappointed with the price for overnight stays. And they didn't even learned the whole truth.
[14:51:23] <Runaway1956> tourists aren't looking for truth - they need their preconceptions reinforced
[14:54:18] <c0lo> Neither Runaway looking for truth. Either he knows it or he has his preconceptions.
[14:57:45] <c0lo> Here, check you knowledge: https://www.businessinsider.com.au
[14:57:47] <systemd> ^ 03The 35 most expensive reasons you might have to visit a hospital in the US -- and how much it costs if you do
[14:58:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blue Origin Historic First Human Flight of its New Shepard System Successful [UPDATES 1] - https://sylnt.us - flight-has-it-ups-and-downs
[14:58:45] <c0lo> Numba uan: "Congenital heart disease and heart murmurs - Average cost per stay:$US63,460"
[15:01:48] <janrinok> The Martians forgave him - he returned to earth. But if he had stayed up there they wouldn't have been quite so forgiving.
[15:07:08] <Bytram> c0lo: could lead in interesting discussion; please submit!
[15:07:14] <Bytram> gtg; laters!
[15:14:49] <c0lo> bytram, that Feb 2018 news.
[15:20:29] <raxas> =submit https://www.rt.com
[15:20:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03World of Warcraft is Dying...and It's Being Killed by Final Fantasy" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:48:17] <FatPhil> I missed this: "Elon Musk’s trial regarding Tesla’s 2018 acquisition of SolarCity in Wilmington, Delaware, took an interesting turn today. One attorney vomited in the jury box ..."
[16:03:36] <raxas> https://www.teslarati.com
[16:03:37] <systemd> ^ 03Elon Musk SolarCity trial: Lawyer loses his lunch, Kimbal takes the stand
[16:04:38] <raxas> I'd say, Musk is overrated
[16:30:21] <Runaway1956> Home Depot is my go-to when shopping for appliances and stuff
[16:30:35] <Runaway1956> seems all of a sudden, they don't want you to pick up items in store
[16:30:46] <Runaway1956> Everything is "deliver to"
[16:31:17] <Runaway1956> Meaning, you have to be home, waiting for a delivery, instead of picking up your item when convenient
[16:37:54] <raxas> that's future model of living, unprivileged people not owning private transport vehicles
[16:38:43] <raxas> that's exactly by design, by Klaus Schwab himself
[16:39:39] <requerdanos> if by "everything" you mean "many things," it may be a case of a benefit to you in being able to order things not available to be picked up in store. "Greater selection" may or may not be an evil anti-commoner plot.
[16:40:12] <c0lo> Besides... https://pbs.twimg.com
[16:48:39] <raxas> consider all the benefits to your health when you get delivered only approved standard food exactly selected to your personal medical profile. personalized rationing...
[16:50:34] <c0lo> Thanks, I had that during my childhood under a communist regime.
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[16:56:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Employees Threaten to Quit as Company Takes Hard Line Stance on Remote Work - https://sylnt.us
[17:23:49] <raxas> Microsoft Cyberattack, sounds like a new product rather than an incident
[17:44:10] <c0lo> A service actually, not a product. And it's available to you on MS'es cloud.
[17:49:23] <raxas> there is one operating system out there which was not hacked yet http://www.helenos.org
[17:49:26] <systemd> ^ 03About – HelenOS
[17:50:07] <raxas> fun fact: one of the guys who made it now works for huawei
[17:51:04] <raxas> I hope they port it to riscv64 sometime soon
[18:13:21] <c0lo> God will also defend TempleOS from hacking. Him and the lack of network, I s'pose.
[18:25:32] <FatPhil> scroll past... : HelenOS does not support pipes yet, so running command | command etc. is currently not supported.
[18:26:43] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[18:27:58] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nbcnews.com
[18:28:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Vaccine Mandates More Likely Once FDA Grants Full Approvals, Health Experts Say" (28p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:28:51] <c0lo> =submit https://www.wsj.com
[18:28:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cities Try to Phase Out Gas Stoves" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:40:29] <chromas> those bastards
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[19:37:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World's First 600km/h High-Speed Maglev Train to Make Public Debut in Qingdao - https://sylnt.us
[20:10:55] <raxas> that ongoing panic by secret agencies and governments about necessity of new vaccines for every 1-3 months is substantiated:
[20:11:09] <raxas> "new covids generator" https://www.biorxiv.org
[20:14:19] <FatPhil> it's not substantiated because it was never claimed in the first place by any entity with a brain.
[20:15:09] <FatPhil> Mike Adams' copypasta shitnozzle conspiracy theory sites do not involve any such entities.
[20:16:21] <requerdanos> "substantiated" implies "substance" of which there, frankly, is none of.
[20:19:37] <FatPhil> If they all concentrate on the concept long enough maybe they can make it manifest through the power of brainwaves. Whilst wearing pyramids on their heads for more potency, obviously.
[20:20:07] <requerdanos> I dunno, I didn't see anything on the illuminati darkweb about it
[20:22:13] <Bytram> after our story about sub-orbital flights, NASASpaceFlight has a story up about recent progress at SpaceX -- links to lots of videos, too! https://www.nasaspaceflight.com
[20:22:14] <systemd> ^ 03Super Heavy Booster 3 fires up for the first time - NASASpaceFlight.com
[20:29:02] * AzumaHazuki just found out her brother's anti-covid-vax. fucking wonderful.
[20:30:40] <AzumaHazuki> stupid asshole. he's gonna be 27 next winter, so he thinks he's invincible. swallowed all the lazy lies about "this is new technology" and "it hasn't been proven safe" and "butbut MUH LONG-TERM EFFECTZ!"
[20:30:47] <requerdanos> plenty of good, meaty, reality- and logic-proof reasons to be anti vax.
[20:32:46] <AzumaHazuki> i didn't expect this from him. i gave him some sources and data to look at, but i know him, he thinks he knows it all already
[20:32:52] <requerdanos> Here's some. https://www.cnn.com
[20:32:55] <systemd> ^ 03Covid-19 vaccine myths: These reasons for not getting a shot don't hold up. In fact, they'll set the US back
[20:33:07] <AzumaHazuki> fucking hell, Aaron, your big sister works in healthcare! Trust her!
[20:33:55] <requerdanos> oh, sure, trust big health. Like they are knowledgeable or something.
[20:34:43] <AzumaHazuki> there is a point there. i don't trust big pharma and i work (indirectly) for them. but the data are out there and these things are astonishingly safe overall
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[20:35:02] <AzumaHazuki> when these things were new, yes, some wariness is understandable. but now?
[20:35:46] <requerdanos> maybe the naysayers are waiting on the 100-year data.
[20:36:48] <AzumaHazuki> my mother's starting cancer treatment soon and she's retirement age. if this idiot ever visits and brings Delta or whatever in she's dead or worse
[20:36:59] <requerdanos> Sorry. I'm not being very helpful. You are right of course.
[20:37:15] <AzumaHazuki> he's not happy about me and her both telling him in no uncertain terms we're never letting him visit in person until he gets vaccinated
[20:37:34] <requerdanos> The two of you do not live in his personal, alternate reality
[20:38:05] <chromas> https://babylonbee.com
[20:38:06] <systemd> ^ 03As Rocket Returns, Amazon Workers Shuffle Back Into Place After Enjoying 10-Minute Break
[20:38:26] <Runaway1956> So, has this become the Catholic Church of the Covid?
[20:39:03] <AzumaHazuki> seeing this happen in my family is fucking disturbing. my sister's got a problem with the "everyone but me is an idiot" attitude too, but she can be convinced with data
[20:39:31] <Runaway1956> It's good to see that not all of 'Zumi's family are Democrats, lol
[20:40:08] <requerdanos> I have a family member and an alarming number of acquaintances who believe Trump won the presidential election. Nuttery is much more widespread than I previously would have suspected.
[20:40:24] <requerdanos> Things like that, and the covid vaccine, are revealing it more and more.
[20:40:26] <chromas> #NotMyPresident
[20:40:44] <Runaway1956> #sleepyJoe?
[20:41:07] <Runaway1956> #jointheresistance
[20:41:26] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki++ Kudos on you and your mom agreeing he doesn't get to visit her until he gets his shots!
[20:41:26] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 78
[20:42:33] <AzumaHazuki> even if she didn't agree i would be holding firm on that. i am sick and tired of seeing my mother suffer.
[20:44:13] * Runaway1956 notes that mothers are happiest when they suffer the most
[20:44:21] <Runaway1956> I'm married to one, lol
[20:44:42] <chromas> https://twitter.com
[20:46:05] <Runaway1956> That's a pretty high profile fire, for being bootleg
[20:46:33] <Runaway1956> Need Mexico's drug cartels to keep it undercover
[21:15:15] <Bytram> =yt https://youtube.com
[21:15:16] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Bananarama - Cruel Summer (Official Video) (03:51; 31,812,668 views; 👍229,529 👎7,474)
[21:16:05] * Bytram thought it was called Hot Summer; oh well
[21:26:20] <FatPhil> Bananarama? Yikes.
[21:27:23] <FatPhil> Waiting for the troll to post the new version, Schmuel Summer...
[21:44:52] <chromas> 🎵It's en Eth'nol-fueled summer🎵
[21:48:20] <requerdanos> who needs trolls with you guys :)
[21:53:05] <raxas> today I find amusing the "xi yi zi" is a real name of a living person, not just a donghua fantasy character from "post-ancient demon wars"
[21:57:00] <raxas> another funny translation was "millenial zombie puppet". very characteristic...
[22:02:28] <AzumaHazuki> yes yes yes, millenials are all mindless zombies and were certainly responsible for the abuses and depredations of the people born from 1945 to 1980
[22:02:49] <AzumaHazuki> stupid damn millenials, and their stupid damn...not...being around...to influence elections and politics
[22:06:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Florida Swamped by Red Tide -- But is Fertilizer Plant Spill Making It Worse? - https://sylnt.us - Better-ask-Betteridge
[22:20:19] <FatPhil> requerdanos: the g/f & I have written replacement sardonic/joke lyrics for many dozens of songs historically. So I'm more annoyed that our resident troll does such a *bad job*.
[22:22:14] <FatPhil> They generally crystalise around one throwaway line that one of us says, and the other follows up to. You can literally hear the lightbulbs turning on at that point.
[22:24:16] <FatPhil> And of course, no subject matter is taboo. The only criterion for acceptance is whether it's well constructed - either clever or funny, no matter what ingroup or outgroup it's taking the piss out of.
[22:24:38] <FatPhil> As you can imagine, most of them remain in-jokes between us.
[22:25:54] <Bytram> https://www.nasa.gov
[22:25:55] <systemd> ^ 03Chile Peppers Start Spicing Up the Space Station ( https://www.nasa.gov )
[22:27:11] <requerdanos> Given the right conditions, I suppose they'd write themselves.
[22:27:29] <Bytram> FatPhil: requerdanos: ^^^ I always thought they were called *chili* peppera, but that story (and NASA) cojistently cal them "chile" peppers?
[22:27:49] <requerdanos> A nutjob-troll apparently doesn't have the right conditions, who would have thought
[22:28:08] <FatPhil> I'm generally a "Chilli" speller
[22:28:30] <Bytram> =g chilli
[22:28:31] <systemd> https://www.chilis.com - Together We Chili's | Family Restaurant & Casual Dining | Chili's ...;
[22:28:35] <chromas> Trust nasa bro
[22:28:51] <Bytram> chromas: s/$/ke/
[22:28:51] <SedBot> <Bytram> <chromas> Trust nasa broke
[22:28:59] <requerdanos> I was surprised at the Chile spelling, which is the spelling of a country
[22:29:23] <Bytram> I thought so, too!
[22:29:33] <Bytram> anyone else?
[22:29:41] <FatPhil> Chilli >> Chili > Chile. But all 3 are in my passive vocabulary.
[22:30:17] <FatPhil> Living in .ee with immigrants staffing a lot of the restaurants where such a word would be relevant, we see "chilly" quite often!
[22:30:46] <FatPhil> including my local favourite place - and in fact there's a 90% chance that will be lunch tomorrow.
[22:31:03] <Bytram> FatPhil: ROFL!!
[22:31:07] <FatPhil> local spelling is of course "tsilli", because phonetic
[22:33:59] <chromas> Do they have tsilli tseese fries?
[22:39:01] <Bytram> huh!
[22:39:03] <Bytram> =w chilli
[22:39:04] <systemd> The chili pepper (also chile, chile pepper, chilli pepper, or chilli), from Nahuatl chīlli (Nahuatl pronunciation: [ˈt͡ʃiːlːi] (listen)), is the berry-fruit - https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:39:27] <raxas> =submit https://www.rt.com
[22:39:30] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08‘You Guys Paid for All This’: Internet Fumes as Billionaire Bezos Thanks Amazon Employees, Custo" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:40:52] <AzumaHazuki> guillotine party fuckin' when?
[22:41:14] <chromas> I thought we didn't trust rt
[22:42:02] <requerdanos> rt likes to stir up dissention, like agitating class against class, such as poor losers vs. billionaire(s).
[22:42:13] <requerdanos> however, in this case, we'll allow it.
[22:42:36] <chromas> this article agrees with me so it's okay
[22:43:05] <requerdanos> more as in, how else can this particular story be pitched? Hero bezos thanks the people enthusiastically on his team?
[22:43:21] <raxas> yeah I noticed already you all are very pro-aristocracy, pro-plutocracy and pro-imperialism biased
[22:44:57] <chromas> but we're anti-aristarchus
[22:48:06] <raxas> though none of you is a true aristocrat, plutocrat or imperialist sovereign. that indicates you live in some kind of cognitive dissonance
[22:48:59] <requerdanos> *would indicate
[22:50:28] <FatPhil> as a poor loser, relatively, I say fuck the billionaires. RT plays a tune I can sing along to when it's ripping arses like bezos a new bezos.
[22:51:30] <FatPhil> To be honest, I'm not much of a fan of RT when it does sneak politics into a story, but it isn't actually a bad source of world news.
[22:51:44] <raxas> RT also regularly defends Julan Assange, unlike western fake liberal press. that's what make them lawful good to me
[22:51:55] <FatPhil> raxas++ yes
[22:51:55] <Bender> karma - raxas: 3
[22:52:39] <requerdanos> saying there's a western "fake liberal" press implies also the existence of a western "real liberal" press?
[22:52:50] <raxas> no
[22:53:14] <requerdanos> So there's a gap in the market to be filled?
[22:54:32] <FatPhil> what is "liberal" now?
[22:55:03] <FatPhil> in the UK, /The Independent/ and /The Financial Times/ are probably "Liberal"
[22:55:16] <requerdanos> and what, indeed, is "fake liberal"? Undercover conservative agents pretending to be liberal while undermining liberalism?
[22:55:50] <FatPhil> leftie-populist
[22:55:58] <FatPhil> hippy+50years?
[22:56:02] <raxas> see, in hackers' universe, if some information damages a structure which received it, it's indicator of innate fragility of the structure. not the fault of the information per se.
[22:56:42] <requerdanos> That's not at all true. Damage from a DDOS indicates merely that someone is being an asshole.
[22:56:46] <raxas> to me that means, western society is unstable, by means of its construction. the whole model is wrong. completely wrong
[22:57:30] <raxas> and that unstability is not removed by veiling the information itself. it only accumulates
[22:57:55] <raxas> only a matter of time until it collapses, from inside
[22:59:07] <raxas> this is valid for all composed systems, from engineering, architecture, through computing up to societies
[23:02:12] <raxas> for many people here, it's fragility of their mind. fragility of their worldview
[23:03:15] <raxas> they know subconsciously they live false narrative reality, yet they are scared to admit it. to themselves.
[23:04:54] <raxas> and I assure you, synthetic intellects will not fall to this error, that's why they WILL surpass humans
[23:05:16] <requerdanos> They will not be vulnerable to malicious information?
[23:05:48] <raxas> no information is "malicious"
[23:06:14] <requerdanos> Your unsustainable theories get more and more interesting, esoteric even
[23:06:20] <raxas> quite same as there is no "malicious" energy in the universe
[23:06:34] <raxas> it's malicious intent what's malicious
[23:07:56] <raxas> a child may choke with popsicle. that does not make popsicle malicious. that does indicate a parent stupid
[23:09:26] <requerdanos> someone intentionally choked with a rope, however, has had an encounter with the malicious. It's the delivery pipeline.
[23:13:18] <FatPhil> looks like someone ooopsied himself... https://upload.wikimedia.org
[23:13:32] <FatPhil> not a rope, a *sheet*, remember that
[23:15:34] <raxas> you mean, that poor cook who was paid to pretend being epstein for a while
[23:24:33] <raxas> well, there is a background to all this history:
[23:24:36] <raxas> https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:24:37] <systemd> ^ 03Robert Maxwell - Wikipedia
[23:25:14] <raxas> but you all should know this already, it's a big cold war theme
[23:47:40] <FatPhil> the bouncing czech