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[00:00:14] <kyonko2> different sizes, same capacity
[00:00:26] <kyonko2> that is so weird!
[00:00:41] <FatPhil> I remember my first 5MB dartboard
[00:00:56] <kyonko2> hahahahaha
[00:01:13] <kyonko2> I was watching a youtuber talk about how "hard cards" don't work these days
[00:01:19] <kyonko2> wonder what made them so fragile
[00:01:44] <kyonko2> they look cool enough just to have as a paper weight
[00:01:53] <kyonko2> as some are transparent
[00:03:07] <requerdanos> they are cool as a group because some of them are cool looking individually?
[00:04:19] <kyonko2> well, you never know what you are going to get
[00:04:25] <kyonko2> so I'd get them all
[00:04:36] <requerdanos> I've not seen a hard card in many years
[00:04:58] <kyonko2> I never even heard of hard cards as a kid
[00:05:10] <kyonko2> back then you just maxxed out credit cards on computers
[00:06:27] <kyonko2> it required a very.... "annoying" trip to the big city, often
[00:07:06] <kyonko2> egghead computers was the shit, before amazon bought them
[00:07:11] <kyonko2> now we just have SWS computers
[00:07:18] <kyonko2> which has everything for your retro needs
[00:08:07] <kyonko2> I'm not really feeling modern computing and modern anything
[00:08:24] <kyonko2> so if I am limited to 2TB, so be it
[00:08:39] <kyonko2> (but i still have GPT drives, god no, not formatted to NTFS)
[00:09:25] <kyonko2> SWS computers is pro-mask in tucson, az
[00:09:59] <kyonko2> I do worry about gracefully mainting social distance in anti-mask buildings
[00:10:11] <kyonko2> if I do it slowly enough, they won't even retain it in their brain
[00:10:46] <kyonko2> I'm gonna see all the mask and glove litter in the big city, and the men open carry firearms
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[01:17:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's Plan to Fix Hubble Gets Some Good News - https://sylnt.us - where's-the-backup
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[01:47:40] <raxas> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[01:47:41] <systemd> No results
[01:48:11] <Bytram> =yt _nzW1vEd5ZQ
[01:48:11] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Girl Build The Most Secret Underground House Shelter (19:41; 581,276 views; 👍7,932 👎627)
[01:48:40] <Bytram> raxas: ^^^ does that help?
[01:48:52] <raxas> I call her "architect"
[01:49:06] <raxas> what's teh meanining of "no results"?
[01:50:34] <raxas> and yes, it's good for people to see the timing of video, if I post some 6-9 hours long by error :)
[01:50:39] <Bytram> as I understand it, the bot performs a *search* using the provided string, on YouTube. No results means just that -- the search came up empty.
[02:01:51] <raxas> that strategy of search is poor. the search may result in unwanted content (it's unfix, functionally). the bot should take the complete url as a fixpoint already
[02:02:04] <raxas> typical overengineering
[02:07:42] <raxas> example: let some video has an id of abcdefghijk. current search method will find it. but if someone makes another video _named_ abcdefghijk, different id, which one the bot finds?
[02:08:21] <raxas> so this is a logical type sploit by unfix on url
[02:41:58] <kyonko2> search is actually harder than it looks
[02:42:13] <kyonko2> I used to remember back in the mid 2000's.... how is google so fast?
[02:42:24] <kyonko2> and what if "google" could be inside my OS?
[02:42:43] <kyonko2> well thats exactly what chromeos and android IS
[03:37:42] <raxas> google search is "special". it is constructed for providing guarantees of _not_ returning certain wanted results
[03:38:10] <raxas> in my worldview, taht's antithesis to search
[03:39:15] <raxas> "unsearch <symbol>" type
[03:41:15] <kyonko2> hasn't happened to me, yet
[03:41:25] <kyonko2> google was, and still is, the best for I.T.
[03:41:42] <kyonko2> maybe not for finding out about photolithography, but for I.T. its got all the answers
[03:42:06] <kyonko2> of course, using google to get windows 10 to barely work, is a waste of your time
[03:42:20] <kyonko2> you will get windows 10 to work, barely, and your time, is not coming back
[03:43:09] <raxas> I probed google with specific keyword set, mostly related to scalar technology. for twenty years, I observed how internets is being gradually veiled from people
[03:44:33] <raxas> today, you absolutely will not find by google anything what's not approved by cia
[03:49:34] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[03:49:36] <systemd> ^ 03Unreal Engine 5 City Environment
[03:49:51] <kyonko2> of course
[03:49:52] <kyonko2> i did notice that
[03:57:19] <raxas> =submit https://www.rt.com
[03:57:23] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08‘How is It Even Possible?’ Russia Asks OPCW After Report Claims Team Was Sent to Germany the Sam" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:57:41] <kyonko2> is OPCW like OSCE?
[03:58:04] <kyonko2> and why are chemical weapons any more heinous than the torture mexicans do to each other?
[03:58:15] <raxas> worse
[03:58:44] <kyonko2> life goes on, but it won't be, considering what happened in 2020
[03:59:14] <kyonko2> organization of security and cooperation in europe
[03:59:18] <kyonko2> its the ceasefire group in the ukraine
[03:59:48] <kyonko2> organization for prohibition of chemical weapons..... they say you can't do that.... in war
[04:00:02] <kyonko2> people tend to be afraid enough of the bang and zip of a bullet anyway
[04:00:39] <raxas> when western agencies subvert international organizations for their own goals, it destroys the trust for everyone
[04:01:56] <raxas> we are heading to war, day by day, led by idiots
[04:08:03] <kyonko2> the last war
[04:08:23] <kyonko2> most normal people were to busy getting rich and curing disease to worry about human extinction
[04:08:29] <kyonko2> this was the 1950's
[04:08:42] <kyonko2> penicillin, YAY, jonas salk, YAY
[04:09:01] <kyonko2> ammonia and phosphate fertilization of soil, YAY
[04:09:23] <kyonko2> and like the epic of gilgamesh, each stupid bitch had her madonna complex that they were going to birth the next christ
[04:10:36] <kyonko2> i mean, whore of babylon
[04:10:54] <kyonko2> i mean, its all been done before, only they couldn't comit species suicide
[04:14:36] <kyonko2> even more so than species suicide, more like extinction of any life forms past a certain evolutionary point
[04:14:47] <kyonko2> GOOD NEWS LADS: GMO BACTERIA AND VIRUS
[05:30:34] <raxas> speaking of that, some russian gnostics claim they discovered where exactly the demiurge is harbored by western cultists and that their government is willing to destroy him, this time for good
[05:31:19] <raxas> final opportunity
[05:33:20] <raxas> and if the daoist spirit masters join this quest, they may even succeed
[05:33:46] <raxas> I blessed them all
[05:35:13] <kyonko2> well... that would sound quite binary then
[05:35:22] <kyonko2> 2025 is the kali yuga
[05:37:30] <kyonko2> the majority of gurus agree, the kali yuga is coming
[05:37:39] <kyonko2> except for 1, I'm trying to recall him
[05:38:09] <kyonko2> I'm surprised how calm indians are due to delta plus double good good
[05:38:45] <kyonko2> https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:38:46] <systemd> ^ 03The Holy Science - Wikipedia
[05:38:56] <kyonko2> he is of the opinion that kali yuga has passed
[05:39:09] <kyonko2> and you will find many testimonials from actual indians that is true
[05:39:09] <raxas> virus does almost no damage to india, at 2.5% of vaccinated population only
[05:39:39] <kyonko2> minority belief that kali yuga has passed
[05:39:55] <kyonko2> i'm of the belief kali yuga is coming
[05:40:21] <raxas> india has much better death rate than czech republic. more power in their gods, I say
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[05:41:36] <kyonko2> https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu
[05:41:39] <kyonko2> check out the indian math/1
[05:42:58] <raxas> I know their math, we call that "indian numbers" in hyperoperations theory
[05:43:09] <raxas> a slang
[05:43:18] <kyonko2> how is the place value in that?
[05:44:24] <raxas> you need hyperlogarithms to understand that. begin with zeration, the very first operation
[05:45:36] <raxas> addition is the next, so-called "first" operation
[05:46:58] <kyonko2> jesus, this is typical oriental backwards thinking
[05:46:59] <raxas> at tetration (above exponentiaton), you start to understand everything you was taught at school is a lie
[05:47:22] <kyonko2> i can't become any more eastern
[05:47:48] <raxas> and there is an infinite hiearachy of hyperoperations above that
[05:47:48] <kyonko2> but they all like sex
[05:47:55] <kyonko2> orientals like sex
[05:48:21] <kyonko2> I wouldn't fall for sex with someone i can't understand their language
[05:49:21] <raxas> your mind is now under attack by a daemona to prevent you to grasp important math
[05:49:52] <kyonko2> I am scared of the hard work
[05:50:14] <kyonko2> work that I can not do alone
[05:50:50] <kyonko2> https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu
[05:51:05] <kyonko2> this guy is great, and his writings are from previous decades
[05:52:40] <kyonko2> google is not the place to learn about GMO
[05:54:06] <kyonko2> https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu
[05:54:11] <kyonko2> i found his site with google
[05:56:53] <kyonko2> I barely noticed the FTP to HTTP-POST/PUT transition soon after 9-11
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[05:58:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DuckDuckGo Has a New Tor V3 .onion Hidden Service! - https://sylnt.us
[06:00:15] <raxas> in current epoch, ftp on internets is like staying barehand at ongoing battlefield. only true masters could handle dangers of such situation
[06:00:17] <kyonko2> cool, gives me something to do
[06:00:25] <kyonko2> (ddg hidden service)
[06:00:51] <kyonko2> isn't ftp the best in security?
[06:01:07] <kyonko2> why did ftp for web die?
[06:01:11] <kyonko2> I recall wordpress worked with it
[06:01:20] <kyonko2> thats a can of worms I really need to look into
[06:01:38] <kyonko2> because there is probably a cut off version where wordpress does not support ftp for blogging any more
[06:25:56] <chromas> raxas: blame google. it does the searching
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[07:11:42] <raxas> =submit https://nypost.com
[07:11:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pentagon Warned of Growing Risk of Nuclear War in 2020 Report" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:17:44] <kyonko2> Does the pentagon care if nuclear war happens?
[07:33:56] <raxas> basically, they are scared of (people not scared enough to throw them money as they did)
[07:35:47] <raxas> such situation categorizes pentagon as cult
[07:37:28] <raxas> but they are too busy to find proper pronouns for use in future combat
[09:32:00] <FatPhil> nuclear threats justify the pentagon's budgets, they're incentivised to make things sound bad.
[10:01:24] <raxas> they just lost a war against tribal bandits wearing rags and towels. no budget wins the war, people do
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[11:58:11] <FatPhil> 40 years on: https://frc.ri.cmu.edu - I wonder if a sub could be made about how well the predictions are going?
[11:58:13] <systemd> ^ 03The Universal Robot -- Hans Moravec, 1991
[12:00:03] <FatPhil> (spoiler - he may be a professor of robotics, but his predictions aren't much better than gene rodenberry's)
[12:07:51] <raxas> https://en.wikipedia.org concept is his too
[12:07:52] <systemd> ^ 03Quantum suicide and immortality - Wikipedia
[12:10:35] <raxas> and he was most probably an actual counselor to rodenberry, because he made it into the storyline
[12:10:55] <raxas> got his own character https://memory-beta.fandom.com
[12:10:56] <systemd> ^ 03Moravec | Memory Beta, non-canon Star Trek Wiki | Fandom
[12:15:03] <Bytram> raxas: When I was in college, I took a class called "Fundamentals of Mathematics". We started with the Peano Postulates ( https://en.wikipedia.org ). Then, adding axioms, theorems, and proofs eventually worked our way through deriving: Natural Numbers, Whole Numbers, Integers, Rational Numbers, Irrational Numbers, and Complex Numbers! There was something else after that which involved Ackerman's Function, but the details
[12:15:03] <Bytram> escape me at the moment. What a *fun* class! It tied together, in one cohesive whole, all that I had been taught about Mathematics over the prior 16 years! =)
[12:15:04] <systemd> ^ 03Peano axioms - Wikipedia
[12:15:41] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[12:15:42] <systemd> ^ 03Ackermann function - Wikipedia
[12:18:12] <raxas> yes, this is where school math ends and difficult computing begins, total recursion
[12:18:56] <raxas> ackermann table itself is a good map for hyperoperations
[12:19:29] <raxas> Grzegorczyk hierarchy
[12:19:39] <FatPhil> raxas: that link says he was written into a non-canon work in 2019.
[12:19:52] <FatPhil> that really doesn't say "most probably an actual counselor to rodenberry, because he made it into the storyline" to me.
[12:21:02] <raxas> he is still alive, ask him
[12:22:16] <Bytram> Mind you, at this point I'd taken Calculus 1, 2, and 3; Linear Algebra; Intro to Differential Equations; Advanced Calculus; and Complex Numbers with Applications (integrals over complex numbers)... and there were still several pages of "math" classes in the course catalog! THAT was humbling!
[12:26:23] <Bytram> and all that was ~40 years ago. I'm grateful for the education, but so far have not had to directly use anything beyond trigonometry and (simple) linear algebra. But, having studied the later courses, I'm certain it has given me a different perspective on things than I would have had without it.
[12:27:19] <Bytram> s/that/than/
[12:27:19] <SedBot> <Bytram> and all than was ~40 years ago. I'm grateful for the education, but so far have not had to directly use anything beyond trigonometry and (simple) linear algebra. But, having studied the later courses, I'm certain it has given me a different perspective on things than I would have had without it.
[12:36:29] <raxas> Bytram: Constantin A. Rubtsov, Giovanni F. Romerio, Ackermann's function and new arithmetical operations, 2004
[12:37:35] <raxas> https://math.eretrandre.org
[12:37:37] <systemd> ^ 03Zeration
[12:37:38] <raxas> http://math.eretrandre.org
[12:37:39] <systemd> ^ 03Zeration
[12:38:35] <raxas> but. I say: every program written in any language is some function defined by some single hyperoperation from grzegorczyk hierarchy. including human genome or universe itself
[12:39:42] <raxas> ancient indians were right about big numbers so big as not fitting on this planet
[12:41:09] <raxas> that one konstantin rubcov did lot of work on zeration, that was a breakthrough
[12:41:49] <Bytram> I'm catching a slight hint of the concept and then my mind explodes. And we still have not reached infinity! =)
[12:42:27] <raxas> and since the pentation and hexation I know our puny computers are weak
[12:43:00] <Bytram> LOL!
[12:44:43] <Bytram> break time. (need to find parts of my brain that have spilled all over the floor and exploded onto the ceiling) =)
[12:44:47] <Bytram> laters~!
[12:47:18] <Runaway1956> Ugh - power off this morning
[12:47:28] <Runaway1956> gotta wait a bit for coffee
[12:47:42] <Runaway1956> reboot computers, check air conditioning,
[12:48:07] <Runaway1956> ugh
[12:49:26] * Runaway1956 cleans some of Bytram brain matter off of keyboard
[12:50:51] * Runaway1956 wonders why complex numbers are scattered around the desktop
[12:52:09] <raxas> so. now you guys know what kind of thinking I do for fun every day. and why it is so important to design a true AIP transcending human abilities
[12:56:46] <chromas> What a big boy you are
[12:56:57] <chromas> oops, someone left me on Sardonic mode
[12:57:38] <chromas> Runaway1956: put your puters outside
[12:59:00] <Runaway1956> It's wet outside - wet is not conducive to long life for computers
[12:59:20] <chromas> tiny shed
[13:00:31] <chromas> oh put the PCs outside but also move the wet inside. I think that'll do it
[13:26:47] <Bytram> raxas: fun? Oy! O_O
[13:51:46] <Bytram> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[13:51:47] <systemd> ^ 03Live updates: Richard Branson and his Virgin Galactic crew are readying for space flight after delay. Elon Musk is also there.
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[14:47:27] <Bytram> it's live: https://www.youtube.com
[14:47:28] <systemd> ^ 03WATCH LIVE: Virgin Galactic Unity 22 Spaceflight Livestream
[14:57:56] * chromas waits for something to happen...nothing does
[15:05:08] <raxas> and taikonauts, watching looking down to this event from their tian gong, could barely see anything distinguishable by eyes...
[15:06:19] <raxas> do not worry if something happen, the chinese keep one shen zou on standby all the time for emergency rescue mission
[15:07:18] <raxas> ready to save your billionaires
[15:11:46] <pinchy> go go gadget freemason trickery
[15:27:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Legend of Zelda" Auction Sets Bar for the Most Expensive Video Game at $870,000 - https://sylnt.us
[15:51:45] <chromas> =yt tim eric prices
[15:51:46] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Prices | Adult Swim UK (01:38; 3,841,043 views; 👍76,091 👎1,307)
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[17:02:40] <chromas> anthing
[17:03:29] <Runaway1956> lol raxas - it would be humiliating to the billionaires if someone had to rescue them
[17:03:38] <raxas> did they landed safely?
[17:03:49] <Runaway1956> unfortunately, they aren't going high enough for any possibl rescue to be effective
[17:04:08] <Runaway1956> I dunno - did they take off?
[17:04:26] <Runaway1956> I'm not going to click the video link
[17:09:05] <raxas> =submit https://www.phoronix.com
[17:09:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Linux 5.14 Can Create Secret Memory Areas With Memfd_secret - Phoronix" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:10:17] <chromas> they hit 282 kilofeet
[17:11:03] <Runaway1956> is that greater or less than the magic 100 km?
[17:11:07] <chromas> 86 or so thousand metres
[17:11:12] <requerdanos> if you don't like gnome 3, then at this time I'd like you to please recommend me a desktop to use with debian.
[17:12:01] <chromas> I don't like gnome 3
[17:12:16] <Runaway1956> That's only 85.95 kilometers chromas
[17:12:35] <chromas> Runaway1956: you're assuming I rounded up the km instead of rounding down the feets :D
[17:13:35] <Runaway1956> I have no idea what you like requerdanos - but I kinda liked the Mate desktop, xfce is good, enlightenment is sweet if you ever get it configured properly,
[17:13:47] <requerdanos> I have somehow corrupted my xfce4 to such a degree that even starting over with a new user account doesn't help
[17:13:48] <Runaway1956> I don't mess with K anymore
[17:13:49] <chromas> My fav is kde. I haven't tried mate or cinnamon recently but when I did a couple years ago, I couldn't stick with 'em 'cause they don't have a bajillion options
[17:15:05] <requerdanos> I might try kde/plasma with mate as a backup plan in case I get a lot of crashes like I did last time I tried it
[17:15:49] <chromas> Are you doing wayland or x?
[17:16:02] <Runaway1956> There was a time - years back - when K was using far more resources than Gnomw - I can't say that is still the situation
[17:16:15] <requerdanos> I assume x. Planning to install debian stable.
[17:17:15] <chromas> kde's lighter now although the default style is kind of a win10 ripoff, especially the taskbar buttons
[17:17:22] <Runaway1956> Idea for you: If xfce is so terribly messed up, but you would prefer not to start all over - you might uninstall xfce, purge it, then reinstall it
[17:17:34] <Runaway1956> Maybe you already tried that - it's just an idea
[17:17:48] <requerdanos> well, my apt database is hosed as well.
[17:17:51] <raxas> I use fluxbox on desktops since 2011, my customization of it survived transfer from linux to freebsd in 2015. heavy keyboard control and trackball only for browser or drawing
[17:18:39] <Runaway1956> so, long story short, chromas - no karman ghia prize?
[17:19:25] <Runaway1956> I tried fluxbox, but all the corners were round
[17:19:57] <Runaway1956> Worse, every corner had a different radius
[17:20:03] <chromas> I don't know what that is. the internet says it's a car
[17:20:18] <raxas> lol you had about 200 other styles in default configuration to select
[17:21:39] <Runaway1956> I kinda assumed that there were karman ghias parked at the karman line, waiting to be claimed as prizes
[17:22:16] <chromas> ah. I thought maybe you were expecting him to shove a car out into space like that other guy
[17:22:36] <raxas> every distro has it for ages, you can try it by just "exec /usr/local/bin/fluxbox" or similar into user's .xinitrc
[17:22:54] <chromas> the video stream might've beat elon's record for circlejerky though
[17:23:00] <Runaway1956> Yeah, that would be a neat trick, but Karman Ghias aren't rated for interplanetary travel
[17:23:48] <raxas> http://fluxbox.org
[17:23:50] <systemd> ^ 03Fluxbox
[17:24:05] <requerdanos> fluxbok highly recommended, got it
[17:24:15] <chromas> =g fluxbox vs openbox
[17:24:16] <systemd> https://www.reddit.com - Openbox vs Fluxbox: linux
[17:24:35] <Runaway1956> just watch those cute angles
[17:26:36] <raxas> pick a style with sharp corners then. or better, design your personal style
[17:27:22] <requerdanos> I really sort of expect a sane, usability-oriented style to already be designed and chosen...
[17:27:58] <raxas> the most worthy part is configurable keyboard macros and menusystem
[17:28:13] <raxas> and, most importantly, no icons
[17:28:40] <raxas> and by no icons I mean, no icons
[17:28:57] <chromas> no icons; only emojis
[17:29:04] <chromas> 💩
[17:30:07] <raxas> well, 99% of my windows is urxvt/tmux, remaining 1% is firefox
[17:30:58] <raxas> or mplayer
[17:31:10] <chromas> sounds like you need a tiling wm
[17:32:19] <raxas> no. I have good macros to adaptively snap or shuffle my windows. I do not want 250 windows tiled...
[17:37:24] <raxas> example of how to switch to selected window: Ondesktop Mod4 F1 :Exec /bin/sh -c "wmctrl -i -a `wmctrl -lpxF | grep -v Conky | dmenu -l 12 | cut -b 1-10`"
[17:40:46] <raxas> clickety desktops are for weak. it is much slower to do anything by clicking than it is by keyboard
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[17:41:46] <chromas> I can't think of any DE that doesn't have a buttonne of shortcuts
[17:43:08] <chromas> That' why I laugh at the guhnome 3 guys. "it's keeyboard-driven"
[17:43:11] <FatPhil> I don't know wmctrl, it not something I have
[17:43:53] <raxas> wmctrl is an absolute power, take your time to learn this
[17:44:05] <raxas> for every wm
[17:44:07] <Bytram> raxas: Say what you will about MS Windows, but their CUA definition had kbd-accessible equivalents for *everything* that you could do with a mouse. /me misses those days
[17:44:14] <FatPhil> What are the "EWMH/NetWM compatible X Window Manager"s
[17:44:36] <chromas> most of the ones that exist
[17:44:42] <FatPhil> If the "E" in EWMH is "Enlightenment", I want nothing to do with it!
[17:45:12] <raxas> enlightenement is now all samsung platforms
[17:45:16] <chromas> Emaciated
[17:46:01] <FatPhil> I was at Samsung when they were buying up lots of E shit.
[17:46:13] <Bytram> Ubuntu Mate is seriously lacking in that capability; at least is the (mostly?) default config I'm running with... and CUA was *consistent* through *all* programs, too!
[17:46:16] <FatPhil> Karsten somebody?
[17:47:21] <requerdanos> wmctrl is awesome
[17:47:37] <chromas> well mate's a fork of gnome 2 and gnome 2 was gnome 3 right before full retard
[17:47:57] <raxas> it's clickety desktops what crashed some u.s. battleships not so long ago. I call that a stupid engineering
[17:49:02] <chromas> point'n'drool interfaces
[17:49:08] <chromas> or in america, point'n'shoot
[17:51:10] <Bytram> chromas++ pointed comment!
[17:51:10] <Bender> karma - chromas: 372
[17:51:54] <raxas> now it's beer time! https://krusovice.cz
[17:51:56] <systemd> ^ 03Královské Černé | Krušovice
[18:26:03] <AzumaHazuki> bleh, beer...grains are for porridge and bread, not drinking
[18:26:37] * AzumaHazuki had a big bowl of kasha for lunch, done the proper Russian way: toasted brown, then boiled with some milk
[18:31:31] <raxas> sounds like 'beer incomplete'
[18:34:23] <AzumaHazuki> sounds like "not trashing the one liver i'm ever going to get, and also having a nice nutritious high-fibre lunch"
[18:35:02] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com
[18:35:04] <systemd> ^ 03Funk The Chase. Short car chase made in UE5 with Lumen render
[20:16:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Identify Specific Human Brain Circuit for Spirituality - https://sylnt.us
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[21:11:22] <kyonko2> I haven't tried MATE, but I expect the same KDE 3.5 shit storm that was
[21:12:08] <kyonko2> I remember mandrake linux in the mid 2000's was the shit
[21:12:37] <kyonko2> and chromeos has a very buggy UI
[21:12:41] <kyonko2> even with updates
[21:12:59] <kyonko2> thats something mac os x didn't have
[21:13:06] <kyonko2> but whatever, mac is dead
[21:19:34] <chromas> kde 3.5's still alive in the form of tde
[21:38:50] <kyonko2> good
[21:39:02] <kyonko2> but only people who use TDE do everything CLI in terminal
[21:39:26] <kyonko2> I'm surprised termux is even a thing on android, lets you get a feel for being root-less
[21:39:32] <chromas> no TRUE nerd uses a gui
[21:39:36] <kyonko2> doesn't it feel good not to be root?
[21:39:44] <kyonko2> what is TRUE nerd?
[21:41:46] <kyonko2> the big turn off in android and chromeos is that they force you to use gmail
[21:42:06] <kyonko2> and then you find people who deny this is even a thing, they deny they use android and have a gmail
[21:42:38] <kyonko2> i've heard you can get windows 10 working without an outlook account
[21:42:43] <chromas> you don't have to use google soyvices. just use an aosp distro
[21:42:52] <kyonko2> I have 2FA on microsoft, its the strangest 2FA I have ever used
[21:43:34] <kyonko2> 2FA on microsoft is on their own drum beat
[21:43:47] <kyonko2> doesnt make me feel secure
[21:51:32] <kyonko2> its the only 2FA that remembers your router's ip address
[21:51:56] <kyonko2> so as long as you come in from the same router, no 2FA is asked again
[21:52:06] <kyonko2> different computer, same router, no 2FA
[21:52:25] <kyonko2> and they don't tell you this is going on either, so you just have to guess why 2FA isn't on
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[22:29:10] <requerdanos> Well, Plasma was not a successful experiment (exploded into corrupted desktop and menus almost at once) but the reinstall fixed xfce so all is good there.
[22:29:27] <chromas> bad memory?
[22:29:54] <requerdanos> No, I think it's because I use the free nouveau drivers which plasma doesn't seem to like
[22:29:54] <chromas> if everything keeps dying, maybe hardware is the asshole
[22:30:20] <chromas> oh. so nvidia was the real asshole all along
[22:30:22] <requerdanos> gnome 3 works fine, if you call what it does working fine
[22:30:45] <chromas> I do not
[22:30:50] <requerdanos> yeah me neither
[22:30:59] <chromas> lxqt?
[22:31:09] <chromas> lxde using qt
[22:31:12] <requerdanos> I am happy with xfce4 now that it's workinfg
[22:31:13] <chromas> or lxde if you like gtk3
[22:31:16] <chromas> cool
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[23:06:58] <Runaway1956> Reinstall, requerdanos? The entire OS, or just the desktop?
[23:07:12] <requerdanos> I reinstalled the OS.
[23:07:42] <Runaway1956> Ahhh - that's a bit more work than just the DE - glad you got it working
[23:07:58] <requerdanos> heh me too; thanks
[23:08:51] <Runaway1956> One of the things I love about *nix in general is - I have files on my desktop from 10 or 12 years ago, and half dozen new installs
[23:09:19] <Runaway1956> If Winbloze allowed you to make separate home partitions and drives, they could almost compete with *nix
[23:09:25] <requerdanos> Yep, I was back up and running pretty quickly.
[23:10:55] <chromas> You can change your home/media/downloads folders in windows
[23:11:03] <chromas> or mount an hdd as your folder
[23:11:37] <chromas> it's hidden away in the computer management console but you can mount disks as folders instead of using drive lettres
[23:12:06] <Runaway1956> Is non-intuitive though, Winders by default uses all of C: and wipes everything in the process
[23:12:26] <Runaway1956> You gotta be somewhat nerdy to even think of having an extra drive in the machine
[23:14:12] <chromas> You gotta be somewhat nerdy to not just throw it out and buy a new one
[23:15:27] <Runaway1956> Who you calling a nerd, you dirty nerd?
[23:15:28] <Runaway1956> lol
[23:46:37] <FatPhil> really, are there no italians here?
[23:47:14] <chromas> we have some italics
[23:49:12] <AzumaHazuki> i'm partly
[23:49:18] <AzumaHazuki> and i do talk with my hands a bit
[23:53:13] <FatPhil> g/f is basically 50% italian
[23:53:25] <FatPhil> 50% italian, 50% czech.
[23:53:31] <FatPhil> Perfect American
[23:54:21] <FatPhil> Anyway, it was a sportball final tonight, and one group of idiots is more diappointed than another group of idiots,
[23:56:30] <chromas> is the gf disappointed in her other half?
[23:59:15] <FatPhil> I'll czech with her
[23:59:30] <FatPhil> I thinkthey do better at ic hockey