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[00:25:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Community Broadband Dominates List of Fastest US ISPs - https://sylnt.us - socialist-broadband-socialism
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[01:06:16] <AzumaHazuki> new kernel, initrd, and packages. so fresh and so clean, clean
[01:07:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - GitHub’s Automatic Coding Tool Rests on Untested Legal Ground - https://sylnt.us - we-violate-all-open-source-licenses-equally
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[02:35:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Early Earth was Bombarded by Series of City-Sized Asteroids - https://sylnt.us - Multiple-Earth-Shattering-KaBooms
[02:58:08] <raxas> AzumaHazuki: gentoo?
[03:52:22] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.buzzfeednews.com Didn't know Joe had friends!!
[03:52:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03After We Found Biden's Account, Venmo Will Let You Make Your Friend List Private" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:55:47] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.eff.org I've always been suspicious of the crows around my house.
[03:55:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03[VISUAL] the Overlapping Infrastructure of Urban Surveillance, and How to Fix It" (45p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:56:15] <AzumaHazuki> raxas: yes
[04:01:36] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.eff.org
[04:01:39] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Supreme Court Overturns Overbroad Interpretation of CFAA, Protecting Security Researchers and Everyd" (4p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:02:09] <Runaway1956> I'll stop there - EFF sent out their newsletter today, and there are several pretty big stories in it.
[04:06:48] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[04:06:50] <systemd> ^ 03Fairfield homeowner shoots and kills intruder with .357 Magnum
[04:07:06] <Runaway1956> I love stories with happy endings - they bring a tear to my eye.
[05:05:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 500-Year-Old Skulls with Facial Modification Unearthed in Gabon - https://sylnt.us
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[06:06:25] <chromas> Rooty Tooty McShooty
[06:06:35] <chromas> s/Mc/Point'n'/
[06:06:35] <SedBot> <chromas> Rooty Tooty Point'n'Shooty
[07:47:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - All Fans Banned From Tokyo Olympics as COVID Cases Rise, Delta Spreads - https://sylnt.us - hot-topic
[08:45:00] <chromas> Delta! Delta delta delta!
[08:45:08] <chromas> When's the next buzzword?
[08:45:36] <kyonko2> OMEGA
[08:45:46] <Runaway1956> It might take a few minutes for the next buzzword to come out
[08:46:16] <kyonko2> Streets of Osaka Japan are BARE due to DELTA+ (DOUBLE GOOD!)
[08:46:22] <kyonko2> COVID1984
[08:46:27] <Runaway1956> You don't just whip one up in 30 seconds, it takes anywhere between 3 and 12 minutes of careful deliberation
[08:46:31] <kyonko2> but the fat people are still wrestling
[08:46:45] <kyonko2> same as they did year 0 of covid1984
[08:46:51] <kyonko2> <--- counts from 0
[08:47:11] <chromas> My favorite bit is that the masks didn't do anything, and then they did. Then when vax came out, we don't need masks even though the vaccines don't stop the spread, the one thing the masks were supposed to do
[08:47:23] <kyonko2> what the fuck was up with saying covid19 kills fat people?
[08:47:23] <chromas> but now delta
[08:47:38] <kyonko2> chromas: exactly like 9-11-2001
[08:47:42] <chromas> fat people are healthologically compromised
[08:47:48] <Runaway1956> I can sort of explain that kyonko
[08:48:09] <Runaway1956> anything that affects respiration is supposed to make the COVIDS worser than worse
[08:48:50] <chromas> kyonko2: are you fat now?
[08:48:52] <Runaway1956> I think we can pretty much agree that phat pholk don't breathe as well as skinny suckers
[08:49:08] <chromas> time for the nursing home for just long enough to get sick, then move you out so you don't count against the stats
[08:49:21] <chromas> #smake Runaway1956
[08:49:28] <chromas> it's pholx now, bigot
[08:49:45] <Runaway1956> latino pholks disagree with that
[08:50:15] <chromas> they disagree with "latinx" too, but as a white saviour, I know what's best for them while they suffer internalized colonialism
[08:50:34] <Runaway1956> Actually, I think in most spanish jargon, "latinx" means "queer motherfucker"
[08:51:06] <Runaway1956> Latinos aren't ashamed of their machismo, lol
[08:51:47] <chromas> hm. you're starting to sound like classic ethanol-fueled
[08:51:53] <chromas> welcome back, my son
[08:51:58] <Runaway1956> Cereal?
[08:52:06] <Runaway1956> or serial?
[08:52:52] <kyonko2> japanese are macho
[08:52:54] <kyonko2> russians are macho
[08:53:15] <kyonko2> russian is back to the tsar era with weapons of mass destruction and space travel
[08:53:25] <Runaway1956> A few white people are still macho - not many of us though
[08:53:29] <kyonko2> they have the dna that begs to be ruled by a tsar
[08:53:42] <Runaway1956> We may soon be known as the pussy-whipped race
[08:53:43] <kyonko2> yeah "wipipo" are rational men
[08:54:17] <kyonko2> japan was so macho, a lot of women were kept in check as "office ladies"
[08:54:34] <Runaway1956> beside the hat check room?
[08:54:38] <kyonko2> you always got that one strange woman who got willed by her father to take control of the family business
[08:54:40] <chromas> I thought Japanese were all about anime waifus now
[08:54:54] <kyonko2> Ever been close to koreans?
[08:55:01] <Runaway1956> Today, Japanese are all about retirement
[08:55:09] <kyonko2> Did you know a korean killed freenode?
[08:55:20] <Runaway1956> No he didn't!
[08:55:26] <Runaway1956> He changed it!
[08:55:45] <Runaway1956> Transformed it from a vital communications hub, to an echo chamber!
[08:55:46] <kyonko2> its been a while since I've seen VPN ads on TV and radio
[08:56:04] <kyonko2> I don't remember exactly what triggered that to happen
[08:56:09] <kyonko2> trump?
[08:56:20] <raxas> he is a prince from royal family. typical aristocrat, destroy and pwn
[08:56:24] <kyonko2> whats trump 2016 election got to to with VPN ads on mass media suddenly
[08:56:40] <kyonko2> lol "far east royal"
[08:56:43] <Runaway1956> I might hazard a guess
[08:57:04] <kyonko2> none of the chinese KMT were royalty
[08:57:09] <Runaway1956> Anyone who supports Trump is disguising his real identity on the internet, or the FBI will kick their doors down
[08:57:18] <kyonko2> the last dynasty were major fuck ups that lost all wars against japan
[08:57:26] <chromas> What's the best vpn for buttpirating torrents in the usa?
[08:57:32] <kyonko2> I voted for trump
[08:57:37] <Runaway1956> I use PIA
[08:57:49] <kyonko2> PIA is that korean dude's business
[08:57:51] <Runaway1956> FWIW, I never voted for Trump
[08:57:57] <kyonko2> uh huh
[08:57:57] <kyonko2> yeah
[08:57:59] <Runaway1956> PIA is Israeli now,
[08:58:02] <kyonko2> "steaks are high"
[08:58:09] <kyonko2> Israeli plays all sides
[08:58:16] <kyonko2> the Israeli-Chinese connection
[08:58:19] <chromas> intel and amd
[08:58:21] <Runaway1956> Of course, just like we do
[08:58:28] <kyonko2> lol no
[08:58:33] <kyonko2> the USA doesn't play all sides
[08:58:45] <kyonko2> its pretty obvious who the USA side is
[08:58:47] <Runaway1956> Of course we do - we play all sides against each other
[08:59:00] <kyonko2> that would be israel's yinon plan
[08:59:02] <Runaway1956> we're not as good at it as the Soviet was
[08:59:06] <kyonko2> or was it the samson option?
[08:59:23] <chromas> samsonite
[08:59:33] <kyonko2> you pay good money to visit israel, you will notice, that place is not the capital of the world
[08:59:52] <Runaway1956> mehhhh - who thought it was?
[08:59:53] <kyonko2> does anything except beach clothing fit in samsonite?
[08:59:54] <Runaway1956> EF?
[09:00:26] <kyonko2> flip flops, hawaiian shirts, basketball shorts, sunglasses, a baseball cap
[09:00:44] <kyonko2> whatever happened to wool weather in motherfucking trunks!
[09:00:45] <chromas> just underwear. it's a case for your briefs
[09:01:03] <kyonko2> I stopped wearing underwear when I got fat
[09:01:10] <chromas> whatever happened to the Windows briefcase?
[09:01:12] <kyonko2> the estrogen in plastics made my hips wide
[09:01:21] <kyonko2> wasn't it yahoo briefcase, chromas?
[09:01:43] <chromas> no it was a speshul folder for syncing files between Windows 95 PCs
[09:01:43] <kyonko2> probably the only thing I ever used briefcase for was some lame 320x240 video in the early 2000's
[09:01:52] <Runaway1956> I thought puberty made your hips wide
[09:01:55] <kyonko2> yeah some kind of floppy disk
[09:02:19] <kyonko2> this floppy is in ext2 ok
[09:02:25] <chromas> biodegradable plastics make your hips wide and your bewbs grow but we're not supposed to talk about it anymore
[09:02:37] <kyonko2> but that was so 2000's
[09:02:45] <Runaway1956> my bewbs never grew
[09:02:50] <kyonko2> in 2009 i saw a shirtless man with real boobs in the park
[09:02:59] <Runaway1956> At age 65, I don't suppose they'll start now
[09:03:00] <chromas> you'll transition soo, Runaway1956
[09:03:03] <chromas> n
[09:03:27] <kyonko2> welp, my internet is now fast cuz its 2AM
[09:03:33] <kyonko2> OPEN WINDOW FROM 2AM to 6AM
[09:03:42] <Runaway1956> Transitioning - see Rise of the Dragon
[09:03:42] <kyonko2> gotta zoom with the boss
[09:04:00] <Runaway1956> You're pilots?
[09:04:05] <chromas> This is like three bots talking to each other, but they're aware they're bots
[09:04:11] <Runaway1956> lol
[09:04:23] <Runaway1956> free association in action
[09:04:26] <chromas> how many topics per minute can we achieve?
[09:04:38] <chromas> or whatever the metric unit is
[09:04:45] <chromas> deciseconds
[09:04:56] <Runaway1956> buttloads, probably
[09:05:41] * chromas votes for the metric shittonne
[09:06:03] <Runaway1956> recently purchased a USB hub, so I could plug in more USB devices
[09:06:10] <Runaway1956> turns out I wasted my monies
[09:06:25] <chromas> doesn't work?
[09:06:36] <Runaway1956> Worked fine - for a little over a month
[09:06:41] <Runaway1956> tonight, it barfed
[09:06:55] <raxas> power?
[09:07:21] <Runaway1956> I think it's standard power, whatever USB3 is supposed to supply
[09:07:40] <kyonko2> ugh.... USB 3.2 is out
[09:07:42] <chromas> did you check the power supply?
[09:07:48] <kyonko2> (as seen at local wal*mart)
[09:07:49] <Runaway1956> I haven't used it to power anything more than mouse, keyboard, couple USB drives
[09:07:56] <kyonko2> I don't think I will use USB 3.2
[09:08:17] <Runaway1956> Power supply is alright - a different hub with fewer plugs still works
[09:08:22] <kyonko2> "a couple of USB drives"
[09:08:48] <raxas> you really should count the total current sink by standard
[09:09:19] <Runaway1956> I should get a couple connectors, and plug something into my other USB controllers
[09:09:36] <Runaway1956> I think there are 3, maybe 4 unused controllers on this mainboard
[09:10:25] <chromas> You should. Plus, the more cables coming out your PC, the better
[09:11:14] <Runaway1956> I have a PCI card with USB hub on it - but I have no PCI slots on this board
[09:11:34] <raxas> my keyboard draws 1000mA itself only, beware of blinkenlights
[09:11:46] <chromas> Maybe you can find an adapter that plugs into USB
[09:11:59] <Runaway1956> Maybe if I fold the PCI card in half, I can fit it into PCIe slot?
[09:12:40] <chromas> Needs a racing stripe
[09:12:43] <chromas> that's what makes it express
[09:12:52] <Runaway1956> lolol
[09:18:07] <kyonko2> why do you have a gaming keyboard raxas
[09:18:11] <Runaway1956> Hmmmmm - TP-link makes a powered USB3 hub - maybe that's what I should have bought to start with
[09:18:11] <kyonko2> are you doing the roblox?
[09:18:27] <kyonko2> yeah those things are the funk, I am very careful with them
[09:20:28] <raxas> because it is heavy steel metal robust frame and mechanic switches, best for coding
[09:21:15] <Runaway1956> Yeah, but you have to wait for mechanicals to be translated to digital when you're coding
[09:22:01] <Runaway1956> and it's even worse when your mechanics are quantum
[09:22:43] <chromas> simultaneously ripping you off and saving you a buck
[09:23:34] <kyonko2> who invented the USB BIOS?
[09:24:00] <kyonko2> remember the big deal when linux kernel could fuck with the keyboard lights on the PS/2 keyboard
[09:24:30] <kyonko2> you just slapped a floppy disk linux distro and proved it
[09:24:37] <kyonko2> it made people really uncomfortable
[09:24:52] <kyonko2> its much worse now
[09:29:42] <FatPhil> remember when they made the keyboard controller manage triple fault handling?
[09:30:48] <raxas> nokia usb stack was quite canonical implementation in old times, everyone borrowed that
[09:31:30] <raxas> but linux usb stack is a catastrophe, you still can breach the kernel with crafted device plugged in
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[09:32:58] <chromas> sanitizing inputs is expensive. better to just not put bad stuff into your box
[09:33:26] <raxas> a beware of keyboards (and monitors) with hidden network bridge on usb bridge, those devices can attack the machine
[09:34:03] <chromas> We should've switched everything to firewire
[09:34:19] <chromas> dma4lyfe
[09:35:14] <kyonko2> I love firewire
[09:35:21] <kyonko2> that was such a pain in the ass in the windows xp era
[09:35:35] <kyonko2> in that case you just bought a sony vaio
[09:36:12] <raxas> such keyboard can remember your local password, recognize it by some heuristics in temporal domain, and use it via network attack
[09:36:12] <kyonko2> you could make BSD blow up with just a floppy disk
[09:36:19] <chromas> but then it becomes i.Link
[09:36:30] <kyonko2> yes chromas are you a porn producer?
[09:36:37] <chromas> of course
[09:36:44] <raxas> even a child with some arduino could craft that
[09:37:01] <kyonko2> arduino is just as dangerous as an open flame or a steak knife
[09:37:28] <kyonko2> only way to admin a BSD server is via serial port
[09:37:37] <kyonko2> this is how they did it at hotmail
[09:37:58] <kyonko2> root wouldn't happen unless physically present at the serial console
[09:38:02] <kyonko2> cameras everywhere
[09:38:19] * kyonko2 remembers the iris scanners in the late 2000's to enter the bell building in downtown tucson
[09:38:30] <kyonko2> I guess I understood
[09:40:00] <raxas> got a funny ryzen3 last week, an industrial minibox. it has mctp and 3 serial ports emulated by hardware... on internal usb port
[09:40:30] <raxas> so, your times of "real serial" are already over
[09:40:37] <kyonko2> uh huh
[09:40:44] <kyonko2> I have intel i5 and i7
[09:40:48] <kyonko2> I don't know what the fuck a ryzen is
[09:41:06] <chromas> living in the stone age, man
[09:41:16] <kyonko2> and why is there a tv ad for an HP amd athlon gold cpu
[09:41:21] <kyonko2> that is not a ryzen?
[09:41:35] <kyonko2> its all windows 10 garbage anyway
[09:41:53] <kyonko2> my biggest issue before covid19 in 2020 was abandoning windows and mac
[09:42:30] <kyonko2> I can do my email from the console, and I should also be able to do VOIP and video conferencing
[09:42:37] <kyonko2> no need to startx
[09:43:02] <kyonko2> anyone here use jabber?
[09:43:06] <chromas> I don't need to startx. I want to
[09:43:14] <chromas> monospaced fonts are the big gay
[09:43:23] <kyonko2> and its best if x starts into not KDE plasma
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[09:44:14] <kyonko2> what is wrong with SElinux raxas
[09:45:41] <raxas> sry I don't selll sploits ;)
[09:49:24] <kyonko2> is it true that they e-mailed cp to the czech president?
[09:51:13] <chromas> https://www.thingiverse.com
[09:51:14] <systemd> ^ 03Digital Sundial by Mojoptix
[10:12:00] <FatPhil> Ha, i5/i7 isn't stone age - this is stone age: model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) 3205U @ 1.50GHz
[10:16:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Fabric Passively Cools Whatever It's Covering—Including You - https://sylnt.us - keeping-it-cool
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[17:09:54] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com from the need-a-new-circle-of-Hell dept.
[17:09:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03VIDEO: GOP Lawmakers Tell Activists to Thank Manchin and Sinema for Keeping Filibuster" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[18:23:24] <Runaway1956> Oh, Lordy Lordy Lordy!
[18:23:37] <Runaway1956> The kids have brought home a mastiff-great dane
[18:23:58] <Runaway1956> if little kids start disappearing, I'll know she ate them
[18:24:22] <Runaway1956> Still a baby, and she stands almost to my hip
[18:26:01] <Runaway1956> My little 45 pound Australian Shepard eats a good amount of food, when this pup grows up, she's gonna be well over 120 pounds
[19:14:09] <chromas> it's fine as long as they don't bring home a pit
[19:16:18] <FatPhil> or vulpes vulpes
[19:18:05] <chromas> or doge
[19:21:07] <FatPhil> if they bring home doge, i recommend selling it ASAP
[19:21:40] <FatPhil> this is not financial advice, I am not your marriage guidance counsellor.
[19:23:02] <chromas> Got it. Kid brings home doge, sell kid
[19:23:38] <Runaway1956> There's no market
[19:23:50] <Runaway1956> not even any gypsies around here
[19:54:59] <Bytram> =yt half breed cher
[19:55:00] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Cher - Half Breed (03:02; 11,120,297 views; 👍68,507 👎2,768)
[19:58:54] <pinchy> doctor drops newborn baby
[20:11:29] <Bytram> so... my lappy hung on me when I tried to launch a video with vlc. Mouse pointer moved, but that was about it. Clicking did nothing. Alt-Tab was a no-op. While in the process of trying to get system back, I accidentally bumped USB cable connector to external spinny disk (750 GB Hitachi 2.5"). Saw power light flicker. Managed to do that 3x before I unplugged USB cable from lappy. Finally gave up. Powered off. Powered on. Launched usual
[20:11:29] <Bytram> programs, all seemed okay. Plugged in spinny disk. Ubuntu Mate auto mounted and brought up caja tool showing first level directories on disk. So far, so goo (I hope!) How do I check to see if the filesystem is okay? It's located at: /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:12:16] <requerdanos> with fsck. generally one would unmount the filesystem and fun fsck on it.
[20:12:45] <Bytram> ty
[20:12:57] <requerdanos> the use of the word "fun" was an unintentional type and not to indicate the character of the experience generally.
[20:13:07] <requerdanos> heck I can't spel today
[20:13:10] <Bytram> tli5? how do I unmount it?
[20:13:23] <Bytram> how do I find out what is mounted?
[20:13:25] <requerdanos> sudo umount /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:13:43] <requerdanos> to find out what's mounted, type mount (probably with |less)
[20:14:07] <requerdanos> you fsck it by its other name, beginning with /dev
[20:14:20] <FatPhil> anyone in NZ?
[20:15:27] <FatPhil> Bytram: handy hint is to alias 'mount' to 'mount -v', as I always want to know exactly where a removable drive has been mounted if it's been automagically worked out from fstab
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[20:16:33] <Bytram> FatPhil: appreciate the tip. until I learn what the "normal" commands to, I'll stick w/o aliases, for now.
[20:18:08] <Bytram> requerdanos: unmounted. Any args needed w/ fsck?
[20:18:58] <FatPhil> fsck is a wrapper, it will sniff the filesystem type, so you just need the device filename as a parameter, /dev/sd... or suchlike
[20:19:38] <FatPhil> there will be a bunch of fsck.[filesystemtype] executables that are the things that do the work.
[20:21:18] <Bytram> look like I want to do: sudo fsck -ClMrV /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:21:21] <Bytram> ???
[20:23:20] <Bytram> try again:
[20:23:24] <Bytram> sudo fsck -C -l -M -r -V /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:24:35] <Bytram> not quite.
[20:24:45] <Bytram> PASTE-BEGIN
[20:24:47] <t3> what fs are you using?
[20:24:47] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$ sudo fsck -C -l -M -r -V /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:24:52] <Bytram> fsck from util-linux 2.34
[20:24:54] <Bytram> [/sbin/fsck.ext2 (1) -- /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/] fsck.ext2 -C0 /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:24:56] <Bytram> e2fsck 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
[20:24:58] <Bytram> fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:25:00] <Bytram> Possibly non-existent device?
[20:25:02] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$
[20:25:04] <Bytram> PASTE-END
[20:25:06] <Bytram> Ubuntu Mate
[20:25:15] <chromas> right don't try to fsck the mountpoint
[20:25:52] <chromas> you want the /dev/sdb0 or whatever the device node is
[20:26:04] <chromas> try lsblk
[20:26:19] <chromas> it will show your block devices and their mount points (if any)
[20:26:42] <Bytram> chromas: it's an external, usb-connected, drive.
[20:26:57] <t3> lsblk doesn't show mount points, df does
[20:26:57] <chromas> yeah
[20:27:05] <chromas> your lsblk is broken then
[20:27:15] <chromas> or has different defaults
[20:27:16] <t3> yeah I'm wrong
[20:27:23] <chromas> it can also show uuids and other stuf
[20:27:32] <t3> got used to not seeing them with zfs
[20:27:35] * chromas glaots
[20:27:39] <requerdanos> Of course now that the usb drive is unmounted, there isn't a mount point to show
[20:27:56] <chromas> true. though he should only have one umounted device
[20:27:59] <chromas> and one mounted one
[20:28:18] <requerdanos> lazy/easy solution, plug it back in and type sudo dmesg|tail to see what device it is, then umount it again
[20:28:36] <Bytram> PASTE-BEGIN
[20:28:38] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$ lsblk | grep -v '^loop'
[20:28:38] <Bytram> NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[20:28:38] <Bytram> sda 8:0 0 931.5G 0 disk
[20:28:38] <Bytram> └─sda1 8:1 0 931.5G 0 part
[20:28:38] <Bytram> ├─ubuntu--vg-root 253:0 0 930.4G 0 lvm /
[20:28:39] <Bytram> └─ubuntu--vg-swap_1 253:1 0 976M 0 lvm [SWAP]
[20:28:40] <Bytram> sdb 8:16 0 698.7G 0 disk
[20:28:45] <Bytram> └─sdb1 8:17 0 698.7G 0 part
[20:28:47] <Bytram> sr0 11:0 1 1024M 0 rom
[20:28:49] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$
[20:28:51] <Bytram> PASTE-END
[20:29:08] <chromas> sudo fsck /dev/sdb1
[20:29:18] <Bytram> looks to be sdb
[20:29:23] <requerdanos> looks to me like you want to fsck /dev/sdb1
[20:29:36] <Bytram> teamwork++
[20:29:36] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 59
[20:29:51] <Bytram> sudo fsck /dev/sdb1
[20:30:37] <Bytram> PASTE-BEGIN
[20:30:38] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$ sudo fsck /dev/sdb1
[20:30:38] <Bytram> fsck from util-linux 2.34
[20:30:38] <Bytram> e2fsck 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
[20:30:38] <Bytram> HITACHI-0001: clean, 610864/45793280 files, 103028111/183143168 blocks
[20:30:38] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$
[20:30:45] <Bytram> PASTE-END
[20:30:53] <Bytram> that was *quick* !!!!!!!!
[20:32:07] <Bytram> why does windows' chkdsk take forever? IOW, what does chkdsk do that fsck does not do. IOOW, what am I missing?
[20:32:27] <t3> ext* doesn't need to defrag
[20:32:39] <chromas> Why does a clean Windows install take up over 30GB? The world may never know.
[20:33:03] <chromas> lol
[20:33:09] <chromas> extfs gets fragmented too
[20:33:14] <Bytram> t3++ thanks for the helpful information!
[20:33:14] <Bender> karma - t3: 1
[20:36:49] <FatPhil> chkdsk doesn't defrag
[20:37:33] <FatPhil> however, fat can be scanned in O(n^2) time if you're particularly retarded, worse in extreme cases, so maybe that's it.
[20:38:19] <chromas> how much O for ntfs?
[20:38:48] <Bytram> elsa-- hurricane's low barometer makes my brain freeze
[20:38:48] <Bender> karma - elsa: -1
[20:39:34] <FatPhil> turn the barometer upside down
[20:39:51] <Bytram> so, disk is currently not mounted. How do I get it mounted again? Just unplug it and plug it back in again? /only half kidding
[20:40:07] <FatPhil> mount /dev/sdb1
[20:40:19] <FatPhil> if it's in /etc/fstab
[20:40:55] <chromas> probably isn't since it was mounted by GUI under /media
[20:41:09] <chromas> so mount /dev/sdb1 /media/martyb/whatever
[20:41:16] <FatPhil> yup ^
[20:41:30] <Bytram> hmm, lsblk shows it still mounted!??
[20:41:49] <chromas> you're still looking at /dev/sdb1 right?
[20:41:51] <FatPhil> that's not mounted
[20:41:57] <FatPhil> lsblk shows devices
[20:42:04] <Bytram> ahhh, k
[20:42:06] <chromas> if it's mounted it will also show the mount point
[20:42:11] <FatPhil> similar to cat /proc/partitions
[20:42:37] * Bytram 's brain is getting full
[20:43:21] <chromas> rm -Rf /media/martyb/brain
[20:43:43] <FatPhil> shred its contents first, for security
[20:43:44] <Bytram> so: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:43:55] <chromas> yeah
[20:43:57] <Bytram> #smake chromas
[20:44:06] <chromas> oh I mean no
[20:44:16] <Bytram> I no!
[20:45:05] <Bytram> grrr
[20:45:07] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:45:07] <Bytram> mount: /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/: mount point does not exist.
[20:45:07] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$
[20:45:33] <chromas> maybe it was deleted. I wouldn't expect it to be though since you manually umounted it
[20:45:44] <chromas> you can always make it again
[20:45:54] <chromas> or replug the hdd
[20:46:01] <t3> media on ubuntu is managed by the systemd automounter
[20:46:13] * FatPhil throws up a little in his mouth
[20:46:24] <Bytram> after unplugging it and risking disk corruption?
[20:46:40] <chromas> oh then maybe systemctl restart media-martyb-HITACHI-0001.mount or something
[20:46:52] <chromas> why would you corrupt it? don't do that
[20:46:59] <FatPhil> if under systemd, the correct way to remount a removable device is to unplug the device, then something's gone seriously wrong with the world.
[20:47:07] <FatPhil> we had to destroy the village in order to mount it.
[20:47:21] <chromas> it's not that you have to unplug it to remount, but that you can
[20:47:42] <t3> just mount it to /mnt
[20:47:53] <t3> it will still show up on the desktop, i think
[20:47:54] <FatPhil> any arbitrary directory will do
[20:47:59] <chromas> mkdir /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001 then run mount again
[20:48:11] <chromas> if he mounts it somewhere else then he'll probably get lost :D
[20:49:19] <FatPhil> I remember automount back in the 90s, things were sane then. What happened since then?
[20:49:45] <inz> lennart.
[20:49:59] <Bytram> sudo mkdir /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:50:45] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:50:45] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$
[20:52:37] <chromas> I remember having fun with btrfs, trying to fsck it because the hdds kept failing (due to power supply, it turned out) but whenever I'd umount it would just remount again
[20:52:39] <chromas> Thanks, systemd
[20:53:00] <FatPhil> systemd--
[20:53:00] <Bender> karma - systemd: -37
[20:53:02] <chromas> had to do systemctl stop home.mount or something like that
[20:53:13] <Bytram> looks like it worked, though I borked the prior copy/paste. copying again for future reference...
[20:53:15] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$ sudo mkdir /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:53:15] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/
[20:53:15] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$
[20:53:33] <chromas> (systemd takes over mounting duties as well, turning everything in /dev/fstab into systemd units)
[20:54:11] <FatPhil> When I say "I remember automount back in the 90s, things were sane then." I actually mean "automount was shit, as the thing that tries to be clever is almost always occasionally so damn stupid it's not worth the pain". So I didn't actually use automount. However, that was sane.
[20:54:48] <chromas> it was pretty lame when I couldn't just eject a disk because linux would always lock the drive in the early 2000s
[20:55:06] <chromas> or disc. floppies are disks; CDs are discs
[20:55:16] * Bytram misses the old days. systemd reminds me of something I uttered long, LONG ago: "It's an excruciatingly useful too.'
[20:55:35] <FatPhil> floppies are diskettes
[20:55:46] <chromas> were HDDs also diskettes?
[20:55:54] <chromas> or were they hard disc drives back then?
[20:56:01] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, there exist distros that don't use systemd. Gentoo aside, Devuan is around and Artix is all kinds of awesome. it's like Arch without systemd
[20:56:05] <FatPhil> nope, as they were kilos in weight
[20:56:06] <Bytram> only Zip drives
[20:56:40] <AzumaHazuki> i set my old thinkpad t440s up for my mother with Artix. She likes the Mac look, so I got a nice Mojave-themed KDE Plasma setup going for her :)
[20:56:47] <FatPhil> totally devuan since day 1 after the debian vote to shoot itself in the face
[20:57:14] <Bytram> well, I'm already this far in, to try and change now I'd be 10 kinds of looney on top of it all.
[20:59:03] <FatPhil> I'm a "less is more" kinda person. Less systemd would probably have helped you.
[21:00:10] <Bytram> remember, I *tested* operating systems, yes more than one. So, to me, a command has a whole lot of implications of storage allocations, abstractions, caching, and lots more coming along as I make a mental abstraction/understanding of what is actually happening. That, and my start was actually on SYSV/R3
[21:00:24] <Bytram> FatPhil: agreed.
[21:01:19] <chromas> but now you've gotta figure out why your hdd locked up
[21:01:55] * chromas emails Bytram a new usb cable
[21:02:36] <AzumaHazuki> Artix is an easy install even doing it manually. just remember to set your pacman mirrorlists to sane URLs near you :) and add the repo-ck repository so you can get CK-patched kernels tuned for your CPU
[21:02:59] <AzumaHazuki> that old T440s with its crap ULV Haswell and SATA SSD is niiiice and zippy
[21:12:48] * inz should really install something systemd-less, but reinstallation is such a bayatch
[21:15:36] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.sciencemag.org
[21:15:39] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Songbirds are Mysteriously Dying Across the Eastern U.S. Scientists are Scrambling to Find Out Why" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:15:45] <AzumaHazuki> i actually find Artix installs fun, weirdly. Gentoo not so much, but Gentoo you can keep current pretty easily
[21:15:53] <t3> easy distro-hopping is why I switched to zfs
[21:24:46] <Bytram> Fun is single-stepping instructions on am IBM mainframe, and following data from a command at the command line[*], down the the concentrator, and then the controller, following all the status and command signals, out to the disk and all the way back... [*] on a *virtual* machine, so there's another layer of abstraction running through it all.
[21:25:39] <AzumaHazuki> a manual artix install is peanuts compared to that. heck, an LFS install would be
[21:27:07] <Bytram> or single stepping through a virtual machine running on a virtual machine, that is in turn running on yet another virtual machine... watching and testing all the virtual address translations and table look-aside buffers along the way. =)
[21:29:51] * Bytram is grateful for the experience as I learned a *lot* but do not miss those days!
[21:50:20] <Runaway1956> [07/09/21 16:24:46] <@Bytram> . . . following data from a command at the command line[*], down the the concentrator . . .
[21:50:33] <Runaway1956> Just like Minute Maid juices?
[22:01:06] * FatPhil no longer cares about coronavirus, rhinovirus is right pissing him off right now :o(
[22:20:58] <kyonko2> Bytram: that works, don't know why, but it does
[22:21:07] <kyonko2> how do you know its rhinovirus fatphil?
[22:21:26] <kyonko2> the inner universe is just as improbable as the outer universe
[22:21:34] <Bytram> kyonko2: What works?
[22:21:46] <kyonko2> digital nesting
[22:21:49] <kyonko2> like russian dolls
[22:22:13] <kyonko2> I don't enjoy discovering things in cyber space any more
[22:22:23] <Bytram> you mean running a VM in a VM in a VM?
[22:22:27] <kyonko2> yeah
[22:22:33] <kyonko2> it applies to other things
[22:22:50] <kyonko2> like I was 13 or 14 when I figured out the universe is a computer
[22:23:03] <Bytram> that was when I worked at IBM... back in 1984.
[22:23:08] <kyonko2> but I live somewhere where people believe in the money god
[22:23:16] <kyonko2> yes I know about IBM
[22:23:22] <kyonko2> those computers don't fail
[22:23:42] <kyonko2> the terminal emulators on the other hand, those were windows 98
[22:23:50] <kyonko2> or 2000?
[22:24:20] <kyonko2> IBM cosmos is nothing like I grew up with
[22:24:37] <kyonko2> I assume fail safe computers have fail safe security, akin to nuclear weapons
[22:24:38] <Bytram> heh. that was MY job. to find out where they failed so that it could get fixed before the code got to the users. It wasn't easy, but I was much more successful than they had expected. =)
[22:24:59] <kyonko2> well, the thing the VM's run on never fails
[22:25:03] <kyonko2> unless the power goes out
[22:25:20] <kyonko2> I still can't fathom the big picture
[22:25:42] <kyonko2> I forgot exactly what it was, I just remember z/OS
[22:25:54] <kyonko2> my memory is swiss cheese
[22:26:15] <kyonko2> we use windows 32 bit software called rumba for terminal emulation
[22:26:37] <kyonko2> VNC was used to see on many layers of security
[22:27:33] <kyonko2> it was a high stress enviroment, the employer was some scam from delaware out of all places
[22:27:42] <kyonko2> a delaware corporation
[22:28:22] <kyonko2> the corporate trainers knew it was fly by night and the markets were whimsical so it was now or never
[22:28:29] <kyonko2> I saw 2008 coming
[22:29:05] <kyonko2> I had such a 1990's mentality "PLUR" in a post-9|| world
[22:29:43] <kyonko2> I just knew the security behind the mainframes was no joke, thats all I understood anyway
[22:29:50] <chromas> it's funny seeing "vnc" and "security" in the same sentence
[22:29:54] <kyonko2> you have no rights as a user
[22:30:18] <kyonko2> chromas: that was just the subcontractor level of security, VNC and audio recording
[22:30:32] <kyonko2> we were supposed to be "background checked" but a lot of people weren't
[22:31:26] <kyonko2> we used these magnetic cards that when split open had the same sticker they put in anti-theft portals
[22:31:42] <Bytram> for nonstop computing, take a look at what Stratus computers did. (Yeah, I worked there, too. =)
[22:31:45] <kyonko2> they never claimed mine
[22:32:01] <kyonko2> yes, non-stop, but what exactly are they computing?
[22:32:14] <kyonko2> I had use of reason early on as a child so I do remember the 1980's
[22:32:23] <kyonko2> it was pretty much the taliban
[22:32:42] <chromas> can't get my arduino to stop resetting itself every few seconds. fpos
[22:32:50] <kyonko2> I just saw things get worse every 5 years
[22:32:59] <chromas> or promicro. is that an arduino? chinesium edition
[22:33:10] <kyonko2> what are arduinos and rpi's supposed to do anyway?
[22:33:18] <chromas> be my keyboard controller
[22:33:40] <kyonko2> how do you teach a kid to not fear electricity?
[22:33:53] <chromas> they don't by default
[22:33:59] <kyonko2> yeah I know that
[22:34:13] <kyonko2> but most normal people don't know what electricity is anyway
[22:37:01] <kyonko2> I just wish the world was more probable/certain than improbable/uncertain
[22:37:04] <kyonko2> i mean, the cosmos
[22:37:54] * Bytram was at Stratus for old about 6 months; rewrote/tested/extended/debugged their test harness to run on 3 (4?) different hardware platforms. Also converted from running serially to parallel. A complete test run across all hardware platforms used to take ~10 hours. I got it to run in ~3 hrs. =)
[22:40:24] <chromas> but now serial is faster than parallel
[22:41:01] <kyonko2> who knows whats going on any more
[22:41:16] <kyonko2> remember when they disabled traceroute world wide due to smurf.c?
[22:43:00] <kyonko2> traceroute still doesn't work, within CGNAT
[22:43:19] <kyonko2> hence the "normans" are wrong about everything
[22:44:16] <kyonko2> good for norway standing up against myanar's human right violations
[22:44:22] <kyonko2> </sarc>
[22:44:58] <kyonko2> I do remember a lot of people at work getting wiped out because they couldn't fathom being under surveillance
[22:46:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange Wouldn’t Go to Supermax if Extradited, U.S. Says - https://sylnt.us
[22:46:42] <chromas> from the wink dept.
[22:47:07] <chromas> inb4 Assange didn't kill himself
[22:47:56] <kyonko2> so assange is going to do life at a "camp fed"
[22:48:16] <kyonko2> its hard to believe camp feds exist, but now you can with the internet look up pictures and physical addresses
[22:48:31] <kyonko2> and whats the big deal about "sooper maxxx" anyway
[22:48:55] <kyonko2> you would still have to be incredibly stupid/suicidal to just walk away from a camp fed site
[22:49:23] <kyonko2> besides martha stewart, its not known who exactly goes to camp fed
[22:50:01] <kyonko2> most normal people end up at "the pokey"
[22:50:37] <kyonko2> doing a few years "at the pokey" and then having to live your life as a shot ugly male with a criminal record
[22:56:08] <Bytram> actually, he will not be staying in the us.
[22:56:51] <Bytram> read the story and don't jump to conclusions
[22:57:33] <kyonko2> oh so they are sending him to "the vague"?
[22:58:06] <kyonko2> assange is really the kind of detainee you just drop charges for, btw
[22:58:42] <kyonko2> I'm surprised people who knew assange intimately didn't cow tow what they are doing to him from guilt
[22:58:47] <Bytram> https://sylnt.us
[22:58:49] <systemd> ^ 03WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange Wouldn’t Go to Supermax if Extradited, U.S. Says - SoylentNews ( https://soylentnews.org )
[22:59:12] <kyonko2> why should assange be detained again?
[22:59:13] <Bytram> read it before talking, please.
[23:00:01] <Bytram> and the linked article from which this is but an excerpt.
[23:00:36] <requerdanos> Look, I hate to be the voice of reason on kyonko's behalf and all, but... READ TFA? Really? That's what you got?
[23:00:43] <kyonko2> Ok, so assange is just aaron schwartz (swartz) who lived
[23:01:07] <kyonko2> and trust me, a lot of people are still afraid to this day about what happened to aaron over jstor
[23:01:33] <kyonko2> if someone starts acting all superstitious and phobic, I have to say, do you know WHY you are afraid?
[23:01:55] <kyonko2> I don't know how I keep on going
[23:02:10] * Bytram is trying to push out stories and is being distracted by things that are flatly covered in the fine summary that we posted.
[23:02:18] * Bytram changes channel
[23:02:32] <kyonko2> I am watching directv
[23:02:39] <kyonko2> i get 4K video
[23:02:53] <kyonko2> channel surfing aint what it used to be when it was analog
[23:09:41] -!- SoyCow0491 [SoyCow0491!~d98ac054@217.138.mrj.nu] has joined #soylent
[23:09:44] <SoyCow0491> Honk Honk Hooknose, gimme your dollars now! Honk Honk Hooknose, America is our cow! Honk Honk Hooknose, embezzlement our favorite crime! Honk Honk Hooknose, we live in dens of SLIME!
[23:09:56] <SoyCow0491> How y'all like my mad rapz?
[23:10:22] <SoyCow0491> I should show that to a Jewish record producer. As long as I'm Black, we'll both make money from it.
[23:10:24] <requerdanos> .kick SoyCow0491 please entertain yourself elsewhere
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[23:20:48] <FatPhil> ta, req
[23:22:54] <pinchy> hell yea triple H rap album
[23:23:40] <kyonko2> HHH 3:16
[23:24:09] <kyonko2> that shit was literally carved into the desks at school with mechanical pencils
[23:45:31] <FatPhil> Hans Henrich Hoch? Big linguists were you?
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[23:50:45] <Bytram> requerdanos++ ty
[23:50:45] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 32
[23:51:21] <Bytram> FatPhil++ I failed to give credit for an earlier .kick
[23:51:21] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 133