#soylent | Logs for 2021-07-04
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[00:06:48] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
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[03:17:12] <Runaway1956> someone remind me that the Ukraine government aren't a bunch of fascists and sexists
[03:17:16] <Runaway1956> https://www.smh.com.au
[03:17:17] <systemd> ^ 03Backlash after Ukrainian army makes women march in heels
[03:21:43] <t3> afaik ukraine is a prominent bastion of fascism, especially since we pulled a color revolution and put neonazis in power
[03:26:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 11 Will Leave Millions of PCs Behind, and Microsoft is Struggling to Explain Why - https://sylnt.us - Spinal-Tap-reference
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[05:05:31] <SoyCow9887> Jews == SCUM.
[05:05:55] <SoyCow9887> "stop thinking for yourself, Goys! That's racist and anti-semitic!"
[05:06:18] <SoyCow9887> "Oprah for presisident!"
[05:06:55] <SoyCow9887> "Now shaddup and take the jab, Goyim! It's how you attone for your White privilege. "
[05:07:33] <SoyCow9887> "And how we, the Jews running big pharma, will make your very life a lifetime subscription!"
[05:07:45] <SoyCow9887> Also, climate change.
[05:08:39] <SoyCow9887> Jews are ratbastard scum.
[05:09:04] <SoyCow9887> But no, it's Russian hackers!
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[05:26:14] <AzumaHazuki> so, is this particular troll using tor or some other proxy? because if not, for the love of fuck, someone ban him already
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[07:10:21] <chromas> someone doesn't know how to read vhosts
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[08:06:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's NEOWISE Asteroid-Hunting Space Telescope Gets Two-Year Mission Extension - https://sylnt.us
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[12:47:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Has Great Quarter, Delivers More Than 200,000 EVs - https://sylnt.us
[14:24:45] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[14:24:47] <systemd> ^ 03Georgia woman wakes to find feral African serval cat in her bed
[14:25:08] <Runaway1956> Like the boll weevil, kitty was just alookin for a home
[14:25:55] <Runaway1956> Looks very much like a bobcat, except it has a long tail
[15:35:40] <raxas> servals are quite strange for cats, they hunt by perfect hearing not by seeing, mostly in very high grass where eyes are useless. very difficult hunting mode
[15:38:12] <raxas> =submit https://cntechpost.com
[15:38:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Chinese Firm's 7nm GPU Expected to Tape Out in Q3 - CnTechPost" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:06:18] <janrinok> raxas - did you see my comments the other day about Rehash?
[16:11:07] <raxas> yes. I take the codebase more as an inspiration now rather than as a fundament for my experiment
[16:12:31] <raxas> I am leaning to postgresql+python anyway, my private infrastructure is nginx
[16:17:28] <janrinok> I use exactly the same here for my personal use. But I am also trying to create an identical clone of our site - minus data of course - so I have to have 1 machine running exactly the same software
[17:15:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Discloses Hacking Methods it Says are Used by Russia - https://sylnt.us - oh-those-brutal-russians
[17:16:41] <requerdanos> Presumably the Americans' hacking methods have remained concealed.
[17:18:20] <FatPhil> happy traitors' day!
[17:18:29] <requerdanos> Thanks :)
[17:18:48] <FatPhil> now blow something up!
[17:19:21] <requerdanos> My trumpthumping neighbors are already on the case with what sounds to be high explosives.
[17:31:29] * Bytram is attempting to backup ~96G of videos from his SSD to a ~750 GB portable harddisk -- forgot how slow spinning rust an be!
[17:32:34] <Bytram> *can
[17:44:55] <requerdanos> as the hard disk is portable, "slow" probably includes the interface as well
[17:50:09] <Bytram> as I am connected over a pre-USB3 connector, that's an understatement!
[17:50:14] <Runaway1956> Is it too much trouble to just plug the hard disk into the machine?
[17:50:29] <Bytram> laptop
[17:50:31] <Runaway1956> That may be a silly question on a laptop
[17:50:32] <Bytram> yes, it is
[17:50:35] <Runaway1956> yeah, sorry
[17:50:56] * Runaway1956 tends to think in terms of his own hardware
[17:51:07] <Bytram> sorry, yes was for "too much trouble"; not "sily"!
[17:51:53] * Runaway1956 looks at empty hotpluggable bay to his left
[17:52:38] <requerdanos> Speaking of laptops, popped in to Office Depot on Fri. to look at same, and found that by and large they just had pictures of laptops on display, not actual display units. odd, I thought.
[17:53:11] <Runaway1956> I noticed similar in local Walmart when I was there - some months ago
[17:53:53] <Runaway1956> I noticed the cell phone display first, actually,
[17:54:51] <Runaway1956> Does Office Depot offer any mobile workstations, or just cheap trash computers?
[17:56:10] <requerdanos> Everything tended toward the lower-end of whatever it was. There were some I7 and Ryzen 7's on display, but with underpowered specs (258GB storage, only 8GB RAM, etc.)
[17:58:47] <Runaway1956> I've been pricing Linux powered computers on several sites - you can find them quite cheap, but as soon as you start upgrading stuff like memory, they run in the neighborhood of $2500 to $3000
[17:59:24] * Runaway1956 could buy another (used) motorcycle for $3000
[17:59:41] <Runaway1956> or, make a down payment on a nice new motorcycle
[18:14:07] <t3> Unless prices for virtual servers rise at a rapid rise, I don't think I'll ever buy a new non-SBC computer
[18:15:13] <t3> the price of a new PC can pay for /years/ of time on someone else's hardware
[18:28:41] <raxas> got https://www.asus.com yesterday, so cute I could not resist
[18:33:29] <Bytram> So, since this is a used laptop hard disk that I have mounted (externally) on my laptop, and the first time I have tries to use it... rather than waste lots of time playing with arguments, I'm looking for suggestions on how to compare the copy to the original. Both are single directories: /home/martyb/Videos/ and /media/martyb/HITACHI-0001/Videos/
[18:35:32] <raxas> rsync
[18:39:21] * Bytram has *heard* of rsync, but never used it before; one drive is over a slow USB connection (other, local disk, is an SSD). Comparing ~ 100 GB of mostly video files.
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[18:40:02] <Bytram> haven't the foggiest idea about the syntax.
[18:42:22] <Bytram> ugh, back in a few minutes
[18:49:24] <raxas> you should learn rsync thoroughly then, it's a very universal tool
[18:58:08] <t3> are you just trying to verify that the copy has the same files? find + md5sum will work if you need something quick
[18:59:52] <Bytram> this is my very first use of an (external) drive that I bought used. Have no idea how heavily it was [ab]used before I got it.
[19:02:57] <t3> does smartctl tell you anything?
[19:07:25] <Runaway1956> Wow, the social justice warriors have really ganged up on me the last couple days - I've never seen karma so low
[19:08:17] * Bytram have exp w/ SMART on windows, but now on Linux; looking now. thanks for the suggestion!
[19:18:44] <Bytram> quick scan thru smartctl results don't look *too* terrible; I'm guessing the drive has seen ~2-3 years of use.
[19:20:37] <Bytram> SMART Error Log Version: 1
[19:20:39] <Bytram> No Errors Logged
[19:25:18] * Bytram had had an HP laptop with an ATA drive which was showing recoverable SMART errors for over a year could replace it. =)
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[20:22:16] <t3> is there an MDC fortune file floating around somewhere?
[20:26:39] <chromas> https://www.themideastbeast.com
[20:26:40] <systemd> ^ 03British Protests, Violence Mark 245 Years Since Expulsion from American Colonies - The Mideast Beast
[20:30:06] * Runaway1956 is now ready to enjoy spectating soccer
[20:30:09] <Runaway1956> https://redstate.com
[20:30:10] <systemd> ^ 03A Primer to Soccer, Sort Of
[20:57:39] <inz> close enough
[20:58:11] <inz> Altough that article misses the fun of newest addition, VAR.
[20:59:43] <inz> Which means essentially that after scoring a goal, you need to wait a minute before celebrating, while someone goes through a spool of videotape to see if a offensive team's player had committed a foul before the goal was scored.
[21:01:07] <chromas> hilarious
[21:03:52] <inz> Sometimes it goes the other way 'round too, but quite rarely.
[21:05:10] <chromas> they see a foul and have to check if a player scored a goal?
[21:05:46] <inz> Something like that. :)
[21:06:09] <inz> A goal can be denied due to offside, but it can be allowed after a video review.
[21:06:53] <t3> https://www.ratebeer.com - I've been in love with this for a while
[21:06:54] <systemd> ^ 03Bell's Expedition Stout
[21:07:30] <t3> a bit too strong for an everyday beer, but that's what their amber ale is for :)
[21:07:44] <inz> If goals were checked from video, it would techincally be possible that they would check the goal first before giving the free kick / penalty.
[21:08:07] <inz> But they have a different system for that where they somehow detect the exact position of the ball relative to the goal line.
[21:08:35] <inz> And the information comes to the referee's watch, wooo!
[21:13:43] <inz> https://www.youtube.com this is the non-awarded goal that ultimately lead to the implementation of the "goal-line technology"
[21:13:45] <systemd> ^ 03Frank Lampard's DISALLOWED Goal: Germany v England World Cup South Africa 2010 Last Sixteen
[21:25:15] <FatPhil> t3: yeah, bells is pretty decent stout. not sure if it's still available here.
[21:26:42] <t3> raxas: you might want to check out https://github.com yaml config, and quic support
[21:26:43] <systemd> ^ 03h2o/h2o
[21:27:22] <t3> it's often hard to find here, and I live in MI
[21:27:22] <Runaway1956> I watched that video three times, inz - the ball bounced on the ground at least a foot past the white line
[21:27:35] <Runaway1956> does the ball have to hit the rear net to count?
[21:43:09] <halibut> Concerning comparing files from two different sources: rsync is a very useful tool. It has a content comparison operation (-c/--checksum) where it generates a checksum of both the local version and the remote version. When working over a slow network connection (``slow'' here meaning slower than disk I/O), it greatly saves time on comparison because it computes the checksum locally and has the remote
[21:43:15] <halibut> machine compute a checksum on its local version, and then just transmits the checksum over the network.
[21:43:49] <halibut> This does not really speed things up if you are comparing copies on devices attached to a single machine, as the same machine needs to read both copies. At that point, you might as well use the standard diff util.
[21:44:54] <halibut> If you are only comparing things once, I do not think anything really works faster than diff. Rsync, md5sum (or other variants like sha256sum), and diff will each need to read both the local copy and the other local copy.
[21:46:15] <halibut> However, you could save yourself a little time in the future by storing checksums (md5sum, sha256sum, etc.) or even signatures (GnuPG or openssl, but would require setting up keys and/or certificates, which is more trouble than it is worth for this, unless you already have them for other purposes). With those, you could check every now and then, and only need to read one copy to see if it changed.
[21:46:54] <halibut> No way around it being slow on a slow USB connection, but at least Linux boxes tend to do pretty well with such tasks running in the background (or overnight).
[21:47:19] <halibut> </spam alt="... for now ...">
[21:48:00] <t3> is diff recursive? I usually use find with -exec $checksum for this but I would be happy to learn a more concise way to go about it
[21:48:24] <halibut> diff -rq <dir1> <dir2>
[21:49:36] <halibut> If you want to see identical files: diff -rqs <dir1> <di42>
[21:49:49] <halibut> s/di42/dir2/
[21:49:49] <SedBot> <halibut> If you want to see identical files: diff -rqs <dir1> <dir2>
[21:51:24] <t3> thanks! so many manpages to read, so little time
[21:53:16] <halibut> So many large manpages. man find | wc -l reports over 1600 lines (and at the end tells you to use info find to get the full documentation). man rsync | wc -l reports over 4000 lines.
[22:04:09] <FatPhil> "Activist Athlete" Gwen Berry != We battle everything racist. (antigram)
[22:04:35] <FatPhil> https://nypost.com
[22:04:36] <systemd> ^ 03Gwen Berry joked about rape, mocked Mexicans and Asians in old tweets
[22:05:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - HHS Announces Rule to Protect US Consumers from Surprise Medical Bills - https://sylnt.us - single-payer-gets-closer?
[22:13:19] <t3> in the cntext of twitter,those are some bad tweets, she should've stuck to fb smh
[22:15:03] <t3> not bc racism or rape are not bad, but because the specific context of events is likely /very/ particular to a time and place
[22:19:02] <Runaway1956> I'm worse than Berry - I make fun of EVERYONE!!
[22:19:29] <Runaway1956> Why limit yourself to Mexicans and Asians, when there is a whole world full of funny out there?
[22:20:54] <Runaway1956> Alright, someone is definitely mod bombing me, probably with multiple puppets
[22:21:25] <Runaway1956> Karma has fallen another 5 points now.
[22:23:58] <FatPhil> not seeing any particular pattern
[22:24:28] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm . . .
[22:24:39] <Runaway1956> Thanks for looking -
[22:25:15] <FatPhil> looks like you pissed off about half the site!
[22:25:36] <Runaway1956> That's what discussion and controversy is for, is it not?
[22:26:37] <Runaway1956> Of course, you only need to draw the ire of one person who has six or twelve sock puppets
[22:28:19] <t3> eh, don't act like you don't sockpuppet yout own shit
[22:28:38] <Runaway1956> Nope - but I'm thinking about it t3
[22:28:55] <Runaway1956> if I set my mind to it, I can sock better than Aristarchus
[22:30:17] <t3> maybe you have some dickriders modding your oosts uo, but some of it is suspicous to me, although not to the same degree
[22:33:28] <t3> i always browse at -1 tho, so nothing effects my ecperience in any case
[22:34:03] <Runaway1956> ditto here - I see it all
[22:34:35] <requerdanos> I browse at -1, but I look at the numbers. I tend to ignore the -1 posts unless something jumps out at me from within. I certainly don't see it all, even though it's all presented.
[22:34:43] <requerdanos> The numbers help me read.
[22:39:59] <t3> that's quite a few typos, I must be drunk
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[22:49:08] <SoyCow8851> America, fuck yeah!
[22:49:11] <SoyCow8851> Jews, fuck no!
[22:49:18] <chromas> .kick SoyCow8851
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[22:55:23] <Runaway1956> That boy ain't right in the head, by any measure
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[22:58:34] <FatPhil> I kinda cross paths with someone as dysfynctional on one of the newsgroups I read.
[22:59:14] <FatPhil> of course, he was plonked a decade back, ut of course some idiots repond to him.
[23:13:23] <raxas> =submit https://www.cdc.gov
[23:13:26] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Diarrhea and Swimming | Healthy Swimming | Healthy Water | CDC" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:15:45] <raxas> =submit https://southfront.org
[23:15:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Chain of Accidents: Massive Explosion Seen Off Azerbaijani Caspian Coast" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:16:45] <raxas> =submit https://www.newsmax.com
[23:16:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Blast Rocks Caspian Sea Sector Near Azerbaijani Gas Field" (4p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:17:55] <Runaway1956> Heh - never noticed frames on Facefook until today
[23:18:15] <Runaway1956> I now have one, "Exposing my friends to extremist views"
[23:18:44] <requerdanos> frames... of reference?
[23:18:56] <raxas> =submit https://www.dailymail.co.uk
[23:19:14] <Runaway1956> picture frames, basically, kinda like old timey picture frames with messages engraved in them
[23:19:31] <Runaway1956> such as "faith hope charity"
[23:19:48] <requerdanos> but the greatest of these is extremism?
[23:19:56] <Runaway1956> You betcha!
[23:20:48] <Runaway1956> Facefook just doubles down on it's censorship, making me hate them more and more
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[23:26:47] <raxas> instead of facebook, you can try https://gettr.com
[23:26:48] <systemd> ^ 03GETTR - The Marketplace of Ideas
[23:27:07] <raxas> trump's fresh new socnet
[23:27:26] <requerdanos> raxas++ hurr durr free speech social networking
[23:27:26] <Bender> karma - raxas: 1
[23:31:31] <raxas> https://i.ibb.co
[23:47:34] <Runaway1956> I dunno 'bout gettr - it could be interesting, but mehhhh
[23:50:24] <chromas> gettr sounds like curl for hipsters
[23:59:04] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[23:59:06] <systemd> ^ 03Tyson recalls 8.5 million pounds of chicken products due to possible listeria contamination
[23:59:17] <chromas> from the listeria-hysteria dept.
[23:59:48] <Bytram> it's for the birds!