#soylent | Logs for 2021-07-02
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[00:05:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Maine Passes the Strongest State Facial Recognition Ban Yet - https://sylnt.us - who-is-next?
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[02:45:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Becomes First to Demonstrate Advantage of Quantum Computers in Real-Life Scenario - https://sylnt.us
[05:33:03] <inz> I've once implemented Damerau-Levenshtein Metric in C, but it did not have any fancy-schmancy diacritic handling.
[06:11:21] <FatPhil> I remember doing levenshtein in PHP back in the early 2000s
[06:45:02] <c0lo> =submit https://www.cnet.com
[06:45:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Amazon Adds New Corporate Values as Jeff Bezos Prepares to Depart" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:45:44] <c0lo> Or, if you like bloomberg better: https://www.bloomberg.com
[06:45:45] <systemd> ^ 03Bloomberg - Are you a robot? ( https://www.bloomberg.com )
[06:46:16] <inz> Does 2004 count as "early 2000s" :)
[06:48:39] <FatPhil> mid is better
[06:48:48] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[06:48:50] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03130 Countries Agree to Biden-Backed 15% Global Minimum Tax" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:57:01] <c0lo> =submit the-delusionals https://www.bbc.com
[06:57:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Right to Repair Rules Will Extend Lifespan of Products, Government Says" (36p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:12:04] <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[07:12:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Amazon Doesn’t Like FTC Chair Lina Khan’s Views, Wants Her Off Investigations" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:13:05] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[07:13:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Australia Ranks Last for Climate Action Among UN Member Countries" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:16:27] <FatPhil> https://cms.zerohedge.com
[07:17:24] <boru> Don't they say that Finland is the happiest because all of the unhappy people committing suicide?
[07:17:38] <boru> I'm fairly sure they have one of the highest suicde rates in Europe.
[07:18:18] <boru> But I'd really like to know how they measure that...
[07:18:23] <boru> The happiness factor, I mean.
[07:19:58] <inz> You wouldn't know that finland is the happiest country by looking at our faces at least.
[07:22:20] <inz> I think suicide rate used to be higher (or at least ranked higher)
[07:22:50] <inz> nowadays the former USSR (except Estonia) seem to rank higher
[07:23:02] <inz> And Belgium and Slovenia
[07:23:57] <c0lo> =submit https://www.ft.com
[07:23:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Subscribe to Read | Financial Times" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:24:36] <FatPhil> .fi's suicide rate was 2nd in the world back in the early 90s, around the time of the banking crisis there. Only hungary beat it.
[07:27:50] <inz> Sounds familiar
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[07:47:30] <SoyCow6723> Just noticed that the comment counter on the main page seems to be stuck -- it is showing a lower number of comments than the counter seen once the story is opened.
[07:51:01] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.7554/eLife.67437 https://www.genengnews.com
[07:51:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Aging May Not be a Linear Process, Study on Reversible Stress-Induced Graying Suggests" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[08:04:10] <c0lo> =submit https://www.commondreams.org
[08:04:12] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03'Bombshell' Secret Footage of ExxonMobil Lobbyists Sparks Calls for Action by Congress" (46p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:18:31] <SoyCow6723> Admin NEEDED? Just noticed that the comment counter on the main page seems to be stuck -- it is showing a lower number of comments than the counter seen once the story is opened.
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[08:19:32] <FatPhil> it might be a local cached version. view counts on youtube vids occasionally drop for a similar reason.
[08:20:14] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[08:20:16] <systemd> ^ 03Why Computers Can't Count Sometimes
[08:33:36] <c0lo> Nah, the fron-page updater is proper-fucked. Call in sie Germans and restart it.
[08:36:57] <boru> sie is German for "she". Surely you mean "ze Germans" for comical effect.
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[08:38:19] <c0lo> zee Germans. There.
[08:39:08] <c0lo> Now, is there somebody able to proper unfuck that rehashed perl crond?
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[08:44:33] <inz> boru, or "they"
[08:45:20] <boru> Only with an uppercase 'S'.
[08:45:43] <boru> Lowercase == "she", uppercase == "They" or formal "you".
[08:46:26] <inz> only formal you is with capital S
[08:46:35] <c0lo> Fine. There. Zee Germans.
[08:46:57] <inz> Or that's what I was taught in school
[08:46:58] <c0lo> Whatabout whatabout crond, admins?
[08:47:32] <boru> Actually yeah, sounds about right. They shey/they is inferred by the verb.
[08:47:50] <boru> s/shey/she/
[08:47:50] <SedBot> <boru> Actually yeah, sounds about right. They she/they is inferred by the verb.
[08:47:58] * boru kldload coffee.ko
[08:50:44] <boru> The latest brood of perching birds have fledged it seems. Lots of young birds in the garden feeding. I captured two greenfinches which appeared to have beak infections and brought them to the vet, since they seemed to be unable to eat.
[08:51:50] <boru> I suspect they weren't well off, since they just sat there and let me pick them up.
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[09:32:35] <FatPhil> boru++ nature++
[09:32:35] <Bender> karma - boru: 56
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[10:05:23] <chromas> https://i2.wp.com
[10:09:25] <c0lo> Meh, Friday evening, I see. Nobody to restart that daemon.
[10:10:39] <c0lo> chromas would rather watch booboo pussies.
[10:11:20] <chromas> oh weird that's the link I posted earlier and not the one I meant
[10:11:48] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[10:18:20] <c0lo> chromas, the comment count and "most recent journals" on the front page aren't updating. Stop mistaking #soylent for #shitlords and restart that daemon.
[10:18:40] <chromas> no u
[10:19:18] <c0lo> says hoo?
[10:20:02] * chromas tries to think of a rhyme
[10:20:09] <chromas> how's it look?
[10:20:28] <chromas> oh probably needs a couple minutes
[10:25:50] <chromas> there we go
[10:26:04] <chromas> I forgot the bounce script doesn't do anything with slashd
[10:36:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Easy 5-Minute Workout Lowers Blood Pressure as Much as Exercise or Medication - https://sylnt.us - take-a-deep-breath || Micron Sells 3D XPoint Fab to Texas Instruments, Not Intel - https://sylnt.us - crossed-off || Britain "Consigns Coal Power to the History Books" as Ban is Brought Forward to 2024 - https://sylnt.us
[11:13:22] <Bytram> chromas++ thanks for bouncing the servers!
[11:13:22] <Bender> karma - chromas: 369
[11:13:27] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:13:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5575
[11:13:49] <Bytram> chromas: Which server(s) did you bounce?
[12:06:20] <FatPhil> he just threw one out of the window, it's not certain if it bounced or not
[12:21:31] <chromas> the one on boron which isn't the real one I guess
[12:21:52] <chromas> restarted slashd on it but that's useless 'cause nobody uses that instance
[12:22:04] <chromas> restarting the one on fluorine worked tho
[12:41:22] <FatPhil> Boy Scouts of America ~ cry "abuse fiasco moot!" (anagram)
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[12:56:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wally Funk to Join Bezos's Suborbital Flight, Richard Branson's Suborbital Flight Set for July 11 - https://sylnt.us - Musk-will-beat-'em-both-to-orbit-and-to-Mars
[13:31:14] <Ingar> what kind of laser would you need to burn a hole in a vehicle at suborbital flight altitude
[13:35:16] <Ingar> FatPhil: NAMBLA (not an anagram)
[13:43:03] <janrinok> raxas - Nobody actually maintains Rehash in the SN Git repository. It is not easy to install, and I haven't got it working yet. There are guides that contain lots of useful info but they seem to assume the occasional bit of knowledge that I appear to be lacking.
[13:44:11] <Bytram> chromas: yes, for apache (non-updating counts) currently, fluorine is the only one you need. Look in my boron: /home/martyb/bin/bounce (it automatically ssh's to hydrogen and fluorine and bounces them)
[13:44:29] <janrinok> It also uses an out-of-date version Apache and out-of-date versions of some Perl libraries but they are all downloadable from the net if you use the links provided in the guides. Not a task to be undertaken lightly.
[13:45:03] <chromas> Bytram: yeah but it doesn't restart slashd
[13:45:32] <janrinok> The repos is up-to-date to our last official build but is missing some of the more recent patches and tweaks.
[13:46:04] <Bytram> janrinok: raxas: updates to rehash were on hold until TMB finished construction work. Took over a year longer than planned. o/w what janrinok said.
[13:47:02] <Bytram> chromas: correct! that is a more risky proposition (according to my recollection from TMB)
[13:47:14] <chromas> I guess so
[13:47:19] <chromas> but that's what needed restarting
[13:50:11] <Bytram> Hmmm, I thot it was a caching problem, hence needing bounce. But, now that you mention it, I believe your are correct. Needed to restart slashd for it to obtain updated counts that could be cached for the main page.
[13:50:37] <chromas> that also triggered rss/atom update and plus I got an email right after so probably that too
[13:50:48] <chromas> because rehash is a speshul snowflake that needs it's own crond
[13:53:14] <Bytram> yep. Remember, slashdot started way back when:
[13:53:18] <Bytram> whois slashdot.com | grep Creation
[13:53:19] <Bytram> Creation Date: 1996-11-17T05:00:00Z
[13:54:18] <chromas> oh yeah. literally decades before anyone else needed to automate the running of programs :)
[13:54:25] <Bytram> when was cron written?
[13:55:03] <inz> wikipedia suggests 1975
[13:57:39] * Teckla lurked on Slashdot for years and years, and "missed out" on a low ID.
[13:58:12] <Teckla> Don't know why I still frequent Slashdot. It's almost entirely crap now.
[14:12:23] <FatPhil> performance enhancing druuuugs: https://www.bbc.co.uk
[14:12:29] <systemd> ^ 03US sprinter Richardson banned for cannabis
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[14:59:00] <c0lo> FatPhil, anything that lowers the pain or raises the pain threshold is gonna enhance physical performance.
[15:00:17] <c0lo> =submit general-motors-to-use-socialist-lithium https://arstechnica.com
[15:00:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03General Motors Looks to California for its Next Lithium Supply" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:02:47] <c0lo> =submit tyrrraaannnyyy https://apnews.com
[15:02:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03US Plans to Make Airlines Refund Fees If Bags are Delayed" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[15:14:05] <c0lo> =submit oh-those-brutal-russians https://apnews.com
[15:14:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NSA Discloses Hacking Methods It Says are Used by Russia" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:17:20] <c0lo> =submit the-end-of-natural-monopolies-as-we-know-them https://apnews.com
[15:17:22] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03California Tests Off-the-grid Solutions to Power Outages" (27p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:22:33] <c0lo> =submit delta-ashrinking-but-this-is-bad-news https://apnews.com
[15:22:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NASA Looks at Louisiana Delta System, Eyes Global Forecasts" (33p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[15:25:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Right to Repair Rules Will Extend Lifespan of Products, UK Government Says - https://sylnt.us - ♪it's-my-pc-and-I'll-fix-if-I-want-to♪
[15:25:59] <c0lo> =submit expensive-hypersonics-win https://apnews.com
[15:26:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Navy Ditches Futuristic Railgun, Eyes Hypersonic Missiles" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[18:05:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Submersible Robot Operates Autonomously Below 900 Meters - https://sylnt.us
[19:07:41] <FatPhil> shame, a railgun was an enormous sink for military budget, it might be an ultimately harmless was to slow down the bombing of random dark skinned people.
[19:08:27] <FatPhil> whilst working on it they may at least have advanced transformer or supercap or some other tech for getting electricity from one form to another.
[19:09:31] <FatPhil> Who am I kidding, the most advanced research into ball lightning was by a group of scientists who simply built the world's biggest bank of decades-old 12V car batteries.
[19:27:23] <Runaway1956> Whoot!!
[19:27:31] <Runaway1956> -NerdRPG- The Flying Spaghetti Monster touches you with his noodly appendage. You have found the level 237 genetically modified asian palm civet which shits perfect fresh coffee on demand! Your foes twitch at the the very thought of this.
[19:56:42] <chromas> I thought the whole point of rail guns was to strap them onto walking robots to fire nukes
[20:00:07] <t3> rail guns are a good project to give to young nerds to prevent them from building flamethrowers
[20:00:44] <t3> far less chance of permanent disfiguration or property damage
[20:02:16] <chromas> a rail gun that launches flamethrowers
[20:08:32] <Deucalion> I want a rail gun that launches a 2 tonne projectile of soapy liquid. It gets to the target at high speed causing mass panic in the military monitoring systems, but then on arrival just sheds its shell and leaves 100km^2 of bubbles floating about the place.
[20:09:04] <requerdanos> 2 tons is a lot of mass, still
[20:10:13] <Deucalion> I may be an idealist and for some reason everyone else on earth still treats life like a competition and killing the "other" is to be applauded.
[20:10:35] <Deucalion> requerdanos, it is a lot of mass - but in bubble form... it would float down slowly
[20:10:43] <Deucalion> Over a massive area
[20:10:58] <requerdanos> hast du etwas zeit fur mich...
[20:11:26] <Deucalion> Or were you referring to the technicalities of a rail gun capable of launching 2T ?
[20:11:41] <Deucalion> If so.... drop it from a bomber :D
[20:12:22] <Deucalion> Mess with the bastards minds.... ancient stealth bomber that has no stealth so is picked up.... fly in... drop bubbles :DDDDDDDDDD
[20:20:22] <chromas> "for some reason". just milllions of years of EVILution
[20:30:30] <Bytram> boru: Yes, in German "sie" means "she", but it also means "you (plural)" and that's an over-simplification; (from memory from 3 years of high school German), one needs to permute: (nominate, genitive, dative, and accusative) with: (masculine, feminine, neuter, and plural)
[20:35:36] <Bytram> requerdanos: ich habe ungefar zehn minuten
[20:35:55] * Bytram asks pardon for spelling misteaks
[20:36:11] <requerdanos> it's the first line of 99 luftballons
[20:36:26] <requerdanos> filtered through my complete german incapacity
[20:36:34] <Bytram> lol!
[20:37:06] * Bytram is filtering thru 4 decades of mental cobwebs!
[20:39:15] <inz> Ich habe auch allt deutch vergass.
[20:41:30] <inz> In nur zwanzig Jahre.
[20:42:03] <requerdanos> I do English and Spanish and that's about it. Tried learning French and later Russian but they require effort, and alas, my lack of focus and laziness conspire against me.
[20:42:19] <inz> Sounds familiar.
[20:52:56] <FatPhil> Haben Sie ein bratwurst?
[20:54:20] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: congrats on your magic civet. I enjoyed coming up with that one!
[20:56:45] <Runaway1956> He's cool alright. Now I'll never be without a cup of coffee!
[20:57:20] <Runaway1956> fatphil++
[20:57:20] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 130
[20:57:53] <FatPhil> cheeers :)
[20:57:57] <FatPhil> Runaway1956++
[20:57:57] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 35
[21:26:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hawking’s Black Hole Theorem Confirmed Observationally for the First Time - https://sylnt.us
[21:49:07] <FatPhil> did they measure the number of bits on the surface of the event horizon increase by one?
[21:55:33] <dx3bydt3> I'll have to read that article when I've had fewer glasses of wine. I recall from physics classes in university (general relativity perhaps?) calculating the schwarzschild radius only depended on mass, where here we're talking a merger where the area is meant to remain equal or greater.
[21:57:46] <dx3bydt3> so just from a butchered understanding a merged black hole should have a larger schwarzschild radius (or equal) than one of equivalent mass that hadn't undergone a merger.
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[22:23:42] <FatPhil> for a non-spinning black hole, where the event horizon is spherical, yup.
[22:24:27] <FatPhil> add spin, and the geometry gets funky because of the frame dragging.
[23:17:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australia Ranks Last for Climate Action Among UN Member Countries - https://sylnt.us