#soylent | Logs for 2021-07-01
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[00:00:20] <Bytram> not this time!
[00:01:21] <Bytram> We missed our fundraising goal for the first half of the year... by $0.44 -- So Close!!!
[00:02:12] <AzumaHazuki> so what happens now?
[00:02:59] <Bytram> nothing.
[00:05:31] <Bytram> It would be nice if we could have had a surplus so we could replenish our kitty, but we're not running so close to the edge that $0.44 is going to break us!
[00:06:01] <Bytram> =yt I will survive
[00:06:02] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Gloria Gaynor - I Will Survive [Official Video] 1978 [Audio iTunes Plus AAC M4A] (03:18; 117,046,936 views; π944,166 π16,451)
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[01:16:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A New Brain Implant Automatically Detects and Kills Pain in Real Time - https://sylnt.us - how-long-until-it-is-adopted-by-the-military?
[01:40:35] <Runaway1956> Who remembers this famous kid hugging a cop? https://static.independent.co.uk
[01:41:12] <Runaway1956> I just learned he's dead, murder suicide thing with his two "moms"
[01:41:30] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
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[01:41:32] <systemd> ^ 03The Story of Jennifer & Sarah Hart
[01:41:44] <Runaway1956> Two very nasty women it turns out
[01:41:50] <SoyCow2468> What's up with Nancyboys in open source ranting about moral absulutism?
[01:42:05] <Runaway1956> Oh, hello Nancy Fueled
[01:42:40] <SoyCow2468> It's like all the Jews got together and agreed on "moral absuloutism" as their personal dog whistle for "don't disagree with us or you're a mean bigot"
[01:42:53] <Runaway1956> What's this orphan sauce you speak of?
[01:43:00] <requerdanos> .kick SoyCow2468
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[01:43:07] <Runaway1956> lol
[01:43:13] <requerdanos> hurr durr da jewz, no thanks
[01:43:33] <Bytram> requerdanos++ TY!
[01:43:33] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 30
[01:50:15] <FatPhil> requerdanos++ 2nded
[01:50:15] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 31
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[01:52:32] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: we need more ops active at more different times
[01:53:38] <requerdanos> It's a pretty low traffic channel/network to begin with, so hard to predict activity
[01:55:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Fundraising Status -- Almost There -- Today is Last Day of 2021H1 [UPDATES: 4] - https://sylnt.us - We're-thiiiiiiiis-close!
[02:41:01] <FatPhil> hmmmm, wondering whether the scince is likely to be good in a paper on "ttitudes gathered from an adult, community sample (N = 452; 70 men and 382 women)"
[02:45:55] <FatPhil> =submit https://doi.org
[02:45:59] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03APA PsycNet" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:46:18] <FatPhil> websites--
[02:46:18] <Bender> karma - websites: -2
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[03:47:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robinhood to Pay Record $70M to Settle Range of Allegations - https://sylnt.us
[06:10:35] <chromas> #smake janrinok what's this about hdmi being too vivid?
[06:12:26] <chromas> The only time I've had issue with hdmi is on 720p TVs because the displays are 100% always 1366x768 instead of 1280x1024 and using hdmi, the TVs always refuse to run at either of resolutions and not be blurry
[06:26:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft and Google Prepare to Battle Again after Ending Six-Year Truce - https://sylnt.us - When-Elephants-fight,-it-is-the-ants-that-suffer
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[08:26:59] <c0lo> breaking - wild fires in BC, .ca
[08:27:14] <c0lo> =submit https://www.cbc.ca
[08:27:29] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Village of Lytton, B.C., Evacuated as Mayor Says 'the Whole Town is on Fire'" (38p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:27:43] <c0lo> =submit https://www.cbc.ca
[08:28:03] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Homes Evacuated as Out-of-control Wildfires Grow in B.C.'s Interior" (40p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:28:07] <c0lo> Map
[08:28:13] <c0lo> =submit https://globalnews.ca
[08:28:15] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03B.C. Wildfire Map 2021: Location and Size of the Fires Burning Around the Province" (31p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[08:56:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A White Dwarf Living on the Edge - https://sylnt.us - Size-is-relative
[09:18:20] <janrinok> chromas - I have a variety of monitors, and in all cases the displays are more comfortable to read and use when I am sat at them. HDMI is fine for watching TV at several metres or more distance, but I do not like them for close-up work.
[09:19:16] <chromas> hm. I've never been able to tell any difference in quality between various inputs
[09:19:54] <chromas> although with displayport, turning off a monitor makes X think it was disconnected and rearranges the desktop
[09:24:02] <janrinok> I have Samsung, Phillips and several copy/clone monitors and 8 desktop systems. I much prefer VGA or DVI rather than HDMI.
[09:26:06] <FatPhil> DVI and HDMI are interconvertible losslessly, VGA's the odd man out
[09:28:20] <janrinok> All my systems use motherboards that have on-board graphics so I have no separate graphics cards. Perhaps it is the on-board processing but they all exhibit similar, but not identical, properties,
[09:30:15] <janrinok> However it is getting increasingly difficult to buy new monitors that do not rely on HDMI, as most of them are simply TVs with part of their guts missing it seems.
[09:30:16] <chromas> isn't hdmi just dvi with sound and optional drm?
[09:30:39] * chromas sends janrinok a displayport monitor
[09:31:38] <janrinok> Thank you - but I am not short of monitors, just that buying new ones with higher resolutions that do not use HDMI is trickier than it was, say, 5 years ago.
[09:31:55] <chromas> same with finding ones with a decent aspect ratio
[09:32:03] <janrinok> yup
[09:32:06] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[09:32:08] <systemd> ^ 03O Brother, Where Art Thou?
[09:32:20] <inz> FatPhil, DVI can carry analog signals too
[09:33:22] <inz> So DVI-D and HDMI, and DVI-A and VGA
[09:34:42] <chromas> plus DVDA
[09:35:25] <inz> Should really get me some DP cables, one of my external displays is connected with a VGA cable, and the other one with a HDMI cable with a passive DVI-D adapter
[09:39:03] <inz> It's just that the market for DP cables is so small that the cables cost an arm.
[09:42:42] <inz> Same for HDMI-D (or mini-HDMI), RPi4 is cheaper than cables/adapters to connect two displays to it.
[09:44:23] <inz> (well, not quite, but close enough)
[09:44:29] <janrinok> It might the sale of RPI4s that is pushing the price of the cables?
[09:50:00] <inz> I doubt it, when ordered directly from china, they're cheap as ever.
[09:51:06] <inz> There's just really few consumer products using the connector, so they're quite a niche product.
[09:55:12] <chromas> they sure love putting the connectors onto video cards though. probably because no licence fee
[10:05:07] <inz> My laptop dock is full of DP ports, but only 1 hdmi and 1 vga
[11:10:33] <FatPhil> https://hristo-georgiev.com
[11:10:33] <systemd> ^ 03Google turned me into a serial killer
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[11:15:06] <c0lo> =submit https://www.npr.org
[11:15:08] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Judge Puts on Hold a Law Penalizing Social Media That Block Politicians' Posts" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:15:35] <c0lo> =submit https://www.commondreams.org
[11:15:37] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Maine Sets Example With 'Country's Strongest' Facial Recognition Ban" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:16:30] <c0lo> =submit the-true-conservatives-conserve https://reneweconomy.com.au
[11:16:32] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Conservative Group Says Germany Could Reach 100% Renewables by 2030 at Low Cost" (30p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:18:02] <c0lo> =submit the-dream-of-immortal-soldier https://breakingdefense.com
[11:18:04] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03SOCOM to Test Anti-Aging Pill Next Year - Breaking Defense" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:19:26] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[11:19:29] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03U.S. Lawmakers Say It is Time to Boost Privacy Protections Around Cloud Data" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:20:20] <c0lo> =submit https://www.thedailybeast.com
[11:20:22] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03San Jose Will Force Gun Owners to Cover Costs of Gun Violence After Mass Shooting" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:21:48] <c0lo> =submit bring-coal-to-newcastle-no-more https://www.current-news.co.uk
[11:21:51] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Britain βConsigns Coal Power to the History Booksβ as Ban is Brought Forward to 2024" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:22:31] <c0lo> =submit https://www.techradar.com
[11:22:33] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03IBM Becomes First to Demonstrate Advantage of Quantum Computers in Real-life Scenario" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:25:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unreliable Social Science Research Gets More Attention Than Solid Studies - https://sylnt.us - good-science-is-boring
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[13:29:25] <FatPhil> Straw poll - how "non-American" is the term "gobsmacked". If you heard that from an American, would you be gobsmacked?
[13:32:47] <chromas> As an American...first of all I have to butt in here :D also I've heard that before but I don't remember from who
[13:38:07] <janrinok> I have never heard an American use that expression - I would say with a reasonable certainty that it is UK english. I've heard a Canadian living in the UK use it, but not an Aus or NZ.
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[13:53:30] <FatPhil> The NE g/f said "*very* non-american"
[13:54:20] <FatPhil> c0lo: heard it in Oz? ^^^
[13:55:01] <FatPhil> even "gob" as "mouth" seems to be very non-American.
[13:55:27] <FatPhil> context is its use here: https://www.dailystar.co.uk
[13:55:28] <systemd> ^ 03Full Pentagon UFO report 'was like sci-fi movie with 14 videos and 70 pages'
[13:55:46] <FatPhil> sorry, Daily Shart
[13:57:50] <FatPhil> Maybe the person in the NSC meeting was an alien, woo-woo-woo-woo
[13:58:45] <FatPhil> ^ /twighlight zone/ tune not obvious over ASCII medium
[14:03:34] <chromas> try unichode
[14:03:36] <chromas> π
[14:06:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "DarkRadiation" -- Abusing Bash for Linux and Docker Container Ransomware - https://sylnt.us
[14:20:02] <t3> I don't think I've ever heard "gobsmacked" used except when mocking the type of people who would say it
[14:23:26] <t3> I feel like uk-isms had a good shot at sneaking in to the lexicon tho - almost all the top YA/childrens authors were british for a while
[14:27:50] <t3> I don't know if kids even read books nowadays tho, might be all webnovels
[14:28:16] <janrinok> I think that kids do read - Harry Potter series for example
[14:41:40] <requerdanos> Wasn't that 20+ years ago?
[14:43:05] <janrinok> they still sell reasonably well, are still being read, and there are other books that are popular too. I'm not making a case that kids only read Harry Potter, but kids do still read.
[14:43:26] <requerdanos> Makes sense.
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[15:37:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We [Almost!] Did it! We Raised 99.987% of SoylentNews' 2021H1 Fundraising Goal! - https://sylnt.us - Woo-Hoo!
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[16:21:33] <Ingar> if you still have to begin your thursday: don't. stay in bed.
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[16:25:14] <inz> There's only 4,5h of thursday left, sounds 'bout right.
[16:25:46] <requerdanos> For me the first is usually bill paying day, today being no exception. Already well underway.
[16:25:58] <Ingar> oh that reminds me
[16:26:05] <inz> I have that on the 20th
[16:26:10] <Ingar> forgot to pay my ISP, better do that now
[16:26:23] <inz> I call it the payroll-come-payroll-go day
[16:26:35] <requerdanos> Good description.
[16:27:32] <inz> tili tuli tili meni in finnish
[16:27:58] <Ingar> loon komt, loon gaat dag
[16:28:53] <Ingar> sounds rather dull in dutch
[16:30:56] <Ingar> but that's for the weekend. dishwasher broke down :( but summer sales start today
[16:38:08] <FatPhil> we're sending out more bills than we're paying, so I don't mind the new month.
[16:39:17] <inz> That's a good balance.
[16:39:36] <FatPhil> some weird budgetting thing happened with one client - she said "just bill me for 4000e before the end of the month, there'll be plenty of work for you in the coming months". We said "OK!" :)
[16:40:28] <FatPhil> that'll be for a big project, work on a book, so it will come to way more than that.
[16:41:04] <FatPhil> Topical joke!
[16:41:18] <FatPhil> Q: How can you tell who's been vaccinated
[16:41:24] <FatPhil> A: Ask them who won the election.
[16:42:35] <inz> It's funny cause it's true
[16:47:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Lawmakers Say it is Time to Boost Privacy Protections Around Cloud Data - https://sylnt.us - at-last!
[16:49:43] <t3> I'm not vaccinated, didn't vote for trump, don't think he won
[16:51:08] <t3> but I also don't have any doubts that the vaccines work and are relatively safe and effective, just see no reason to get one
[16:57:25] <requerdanos> by and large, however, I'd say the method is an accurate one around here.
[16:57:38] <t3> probably, yeah
[16:58:20] <requerdanos> more vaccinated = population less likely to form variants through community spread, in general, so in my view more vaccinated people is better in both the short and long run.
[17:02:26] <FatPhil> unfortunately, all the good work in your area can be nuked by a country of 1.6 billion letting variants try themselves out by their billions.
[17:02:59] <requerdanos> if only that were hypothetical
[17:03:15] <FatPhil> We've started to see some delta here. The UK's hilarious, it's almost entirely delta, and it's not an insignificant new wave either.
[17:05:42] <FatPhil> I'll be perfectly honest, I got my janssen jab so that I could travel more than to protect myself from the disease. I reckon janssen won't do a brilliant job of that anyway. As I found out in the medical centre, my NPIs are better than people who work in the industry, I think I'm very low risk.
[17:07:22] <FatPhil> Now I'm in the '2 weeks of reduced immune system' phase, I'm back to masks everywhere, hand sanitation ditto, just in case. Only 1% are doing that here now. There's very much an "it's over!" complacency.
[17:08:09] <requerdanos> "It's over" seems to be the mindset here as well.
[17:08:39] <FatPhil> Yeah, and it kinda is, until it isn't!
[17:40:23] <inz> True, was expecting a nice careless summer, but let's see what happens when 386 infected people were brought in (some verified to be delta)
[17:40:49] <chromas> you'll be stuck with 386 sx
[17:40:50] <inz> So far 50 secondary infections, but it's only been a week, so quite likely gonna be many more
[17:43:15] <janrinok> chromas, with a 387 maths coprocessor, to count the infections?
[17:44:33] <FatPhil> just been reading HS's english pages, yup, hoorah for sportball fans!
[19:15:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Conservative Group Says Germany Could Reach 100% Renewables by 2030 at Low Cost - https://sylnt.us
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[20:08:53] <raxas> =submit https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com
[20:10:27] <systemd> β* Sub-ccess! "08Impulsive Volcanic Plumes Generate Volcanic Lightning and Vent Discharges: a Statistical Analysis of" (33p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:18:14] <progo> can impulsive volcanoes be tamed?
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[20:38:45] <Runaway1956> Well - my phone for the hard of hearing came in - didn't think to order a T and extension line for it, but I found both lying around
[20:39:11] <Runaway1956> Hooked up, played with it a few minutes, I can turn the volume up until the dial tone gives me feedback
[20:39:54] <Runaway1956> Who to call? No long distance on this line, maybe I call random 1-800 number
[20:40:32] <Runaway1956> NOTE: it's long distance to call the sheriff's office, or any business in the county seat
[20:47:30] <Runaway1956> Whoot! I can blow myself away with that volume!! And, it doesn't get distorted as the volume goes up - crisp and clear.
[20:58:40] <Runaway1956> Another building collapse?
[20:58:45] <Runaway1956> https://www.jpost.com
[20:58:46] <systemd> ^ 03One trapped, several hurt in Washington, DC building collapse
[21:00:50] <Runaway1956> Building under construction - this may be understandable, even forgiveable . . . may be - there are stages when stuff can happen,
[21:02:37] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
[21:03:58] <Runaway1956> appears to be wood frame, doesn't look like things were very far along,
[21:08:30] <Runaway1956> "The collapse happened at the height of a storm" but they aren't exactly citing the storm as the cause
[21:29:55] <Bytram> FatPhil: Late poll entry... I readily recognize the word "gobsmacked", understand its meaning, but don't recall ever using it personally. Not a term I've heard used in conversation, though. Strictly via reading.
[21:33:27] * Runaway1956 thinks the savages from the hinterlands are often gobsmacked
[21:36:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Judge Puts on Hold a Law Penalizing Social Media That Block Politicians' Posts - https://sylnt.us
[21:42:52] <FatPhil> Bytram++ thanks for another datapoint.
[21:42:52] <Bender> karma - bytram: 169
[21:46:52] <FatPhil> g/f thinks she never heard it in the US, and only encountered it when she came to the UK (~25 years ago).
[21:47:16] <progo> does anyone but The Register say "boffin"?
[21:47:29] <FatPhil> Yes, Mitchell & Webb
[21:47:39] <progo> in NYC, we have "straphangers" riding buses and subways with no straps. according to the media. literally no one but newscritters uses that word
[21:47:54] <progo> I think they think they're hip or something using ancient dead local word
[21:48:06] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[21:48:08] <systemd> ^ 03The Solution to Aids - Big Talk
[21:49:13] <progo> that looks like a decent show
[21:52:42] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[21:52:44] <systemd> ^ 03Are We The Baddies? - The German Soldiers
[21:53:16] <FatPhil> I use the word boffin occasionally. It's not that weird.
[21:53:36] <progo> okay. but as a local, I object to "straphanger"
[21:54:26] <chromas> "boffin" sounds like some sort of wax
[21:54:45] * chromas boffin waxes his new surfboard
[21:55:57] <progo> https://orville.fandom.com an engineer made of boffin
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[22:00:08] <Bytram> FatPhil: HTH! fwiw, I've traveled to England (2x), Germany (2x), Italy, Austria, and Spain on business with each visit lasting a week. Also had a day trip to Gibraltar. (That was back in the late 1990's). Can't say for certain, I but suspect that might be a factor/influence in my being exposed to the word.
[22:01:50] <Runaway1956> Zip up Bytram
[22:01:57] <Runaway1956> nograb\
[22:02:48] <Bytram> Runaway1956: ???
[22:03:03] <Runaway1956> You shouldn't be exposed to the world?
[22:04:16] <Bytram> read again: "exposed to the word )
[22:04:47] <Bytram> #smake Runaway1956
[22:05:16] <Runaway1956> lol, gratuitous insults don't havve to be 100% accurate
[22:05:47] <Bytram> Runaway1956: flock yew ;)
[22:05:54] <Runaway1956> lol, TYVM
[22:06:02] <Bytram> np!
[22:06:19] <Runaway1956> "Honey, come get this spider!"
[22:06:25] <Runaway1956> Geeez, Louise!
[22:06:54] <Bytram> =g charlotte's web
[22:06:55] <systemd> https://www.charlottesweb.com - Charlotte's Webβ’ CBD Oil, CBD Gummies and Cream Official Site
[22:07:41] <requerdanos> charlotte's web brand drugs. come get 'em, kids
[22:09:43] <Runaway1956> The spider and I had a talk, and he agrees to not take his bath during daylight hours.
[22:13:00] <raxas> technical question: I observe tmb's github abandoned and somewhat crufty, have to ask: who maintains the codebase now and where?
[22:13:53] <chromas> the official repo is here https://github.com
[22:13:54] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews
[22:14:12] <chromas> and the other answer is "nobody"
[22:15:42] <AzumaHazuki> probably no one and nowhere
[22:17:10] <raxas> motivation: I was thinking about running a private rehash instance for my family, so, localize it native, but porting sql to postgresql for that case
[22:17:53] <raxas> I'll look on that official repo then
[22:26:14] <Bytram> raxas: have you been in touch with janrinok? He's been working on building rehash locally and trying to get it working so he could lend a hand with the site. I recall he made great progress, but dunno if he finally succeeded.
[22:27:41] <chromas> pro-tip: everyone who's mastered rehash smokes like a chimney and chugs coffee all day long
[22:28:23] <Runaway1956> pro-tip: No need to chug coffee if you set up an IV
[22:28:58] <Runaway1956> I didn't know Bill Cosby was out of jail
[22:32:08] <chromas> https://i2.wp.com
[22:33:49] <Runaway1956> Wally Funk - is that a rap song or something?
[22:33:52] <raxas> seems I already cloned this in 2019, forgotten about it :) 54 changes since then. I must read the code thoroughly first, then decide if I want it before touching anything
[22:50:10] <Bytram> raxas: that might be come changes that were coded, but not rolled out to the site. If you see something about comparing text and Lovenstein (sp?) distance, I started to test it, but never finished. To my knowledge it was never rolled out to prod.
[22:50:32] <Bytram> break time; dishes, etc.
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[23:00:52] <raxas> lol, I did levenshtein distance logically in prolog, some 25 years ago, for languages with diacritics (defined my metric as diacritical letter is distance 0.5 from same non-diacritical). used that in several commercial data migration projects for data cleaning
[23:01:20] <raxas> it's quite difficult to do that correctly in programming languages without backtracking
[23:01:58] <raxas> a Γ‘ Η Γ₯
[23:03:42] <raxas> my bet is CIA/NSA could not do that correctly even today in age of unicode, considering how poorly google translate opperates
[23:04:20] <raxas> doing this in perl must be a nightmare
[23:06:26] <raxas> nor the all credit card corporations/banks could do that correctly, in 21. century
[23:10:29] <raxas> I understand you may want to deny new nicks very similar to existing nicks, to prevent mismatch trolling