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[00:40:43] <FatPhil> let's see if the us cyber superpower atory has worked....
[01:18:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Admits to Signing Rootkit Malware in Supply-Chain Fiasco - https://sylnt.us
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[03:55:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pseudo-Hallucinations: Why Some People See More Vivid Mental Images than Others - https://sylnt.us - did-you-see-that?!
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[06:27:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Two California Hospitals Prevented the Spread of a Deadly Fungal Infection During the Pandemic - https://sylnt.us
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[06:45:21] <FatPhil> Yup, looks like the numbing power of a [whatever the mass noun of ACs is] of ACs succeeded. Got 5 hours sleep, and most of the symptoms are lessened. GF's afffected a bit more than I am, but nothing to worry about. They aimed the "nocebo" effect just right!
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[08:25:31] <chromas> hm...suspicious
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[08:28:33] <FatPhil> exactly what we would expect an imposter chromas to say
[08:28:39] <janrinok> FatPhil, I think the collective name for ACs is 'thicket'.
[08:28:49] <inz> has systemd not yet assimilated identd?
[08:28:55] <FatPhil> ooooh - that's good
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[08:55:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A New Kind of Visual Illusion Uncovers How Our Brains Connect the Dots - https://sylnt.us - seeing-is-believing...right?
[08:57:18] <janrinok> I hope that we are running out of 'visual illusion' submissions - I think 2 in 24 hours is probably enough
[08:58:55] <janrinok> in fact, it is 2 in 6 hours.
[08:59:11] <inz> Are you sure it's not just an illusion?
[08:59:28] <janrinok> who can tell? Is IRC real?
[08:59:58] <inz> No, it's just fanta sea
[09:05:43] <janrinok> I go and get a cup of tea, return to the screen, and spit tea onto keyboard - thanks!
[09:10:04] <inz> Tea-over-IRC doesn't seem to work, none of it reached here.
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[09:12:10] <janrinok> well, we should perhaps be grateful for that then - cold tea is the pits
[09:13:47] <janrinok> my own fault for not restraining my laughter - but if I find anything to laugh at nowadays I tend to go all out and do it properly.
[09:14:21] <inz> Nothing wrong with that.
[09:14:44] <inz> Unless, of course, you happen to have a mouthful of tea and delicate electronics in front of you.
[09:14:56] <janrinok> exactly!
[09:15:29] <janrinok> at least there is nobody else at this end who can mock or ridicule me for it
[09:16:24] <janrinok> ... but I'm not expecting any sympathy from you lot!
[09:19:06] <inz> My sincerest aplogies to your keyboard. Glad to see he's at least still able to function.
[09:19:15] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nbcnews.com
[09:19:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Portland Hits Third-highest Temperature Ever Recorded in a Major U.S. City" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:19:21] <c0lo> =submit https://edition.cnn.com
[09:19:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03More Than 230 Deaths Reported in British Columbia Amid Historic Heat Wave" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:19:50] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[09:19:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Canada to Ban Sale of New Fuel-powered Cars and Light Trucks From 2035" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:20:04] <janrinok> quick wipe with a dry cloth, and then a damp clean cloth, and it seems to be OK.
[09:21:45] <janrinok> and my keyboard identifies as an 'it' and rejects your feeble and derisory attempt to pigeon-hole it as male
[09:22:32] * janrinok searches for our CoC on IRC usage.....
[09:22:42] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1038/s41551-021-00736-7 https://singularityhub.com
[09:22:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A New Brain Implant Automatically Detects and Kills Pain in Real Time" (30p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:24:34] <inz> Proud member of the LGBTQIA+KBD movement?
[09:24:48] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1126/sciadv.abg6082 https://singularityhub.com
[09:24:50] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Harvard Scientists Pinpoint 'Ground Zero' of Aging in Mouse Embryo Study" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:25:16] <c0lo> inz, nah, just qwerty-kbd
[09:25:44] <inz> close enough
[09:25:45] <janrinok> complete with rainbow hair and tats - that's the keyboard not me. I keep most of my hair on my face nowadays...
[09:26:08] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[09:26:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "035,000-year-old Hunter-gatherer is Earliest Person to Die With the Plague" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:26:56] <c0lo> =submit now-you-can-sunburn-as-much-as-you-like https://www.swissinfo.ch
[09:26:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Swiss Start-up Develops World’s First ‘Personalised Skin’ Machine" (39p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:27:15] <c0lo> =sumit https://au.news.yahoo.com
[09:27:18] <janrinok> I wonder if the hunter-gatherer caught the plague on purpose in order to get into the Guinness book of records?
[09:27:54] <inz> Hmm, I put my keyboard leds into rainbow mode; now how on earth can I make it stoph...
[09:28:16] <janrinok> probably can't - perhaps it will grow out of it
[09:28:38] <inz> ah, found it.
[09:28:47] <inz> Normally I just keep the nethack movement keys lit
[09:29:06] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nextgov.com
[09:29:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Watchdog: 10 Government Agencies Deployed Clearview AI Facial Recognition Tech" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:30:48] <inz> Or ADM-3A arrow keys, if old-school enough
[09:32:11] <FatPhil> how retarded can tech companies be - just got a replacement amp, and its mute button only mutes the power amplified parts, so the subwoofer still rumbles away. what kind of mentality could have spec'ed that behaviour!?!?
[09:32:53] <FatPhil> "upgrading" from an amp with ~30 inputs to one with 3.
[09:33:04] <FatPhil> the one with 30 got bitrot
[09:33:43] <janrinok> are you going to keep it or send it back?
[09:33:51] <FatPhil> hdmi's partially to blame - it would take longer and longer to recognise the input, eventually it took infinity time.
[09:34:30] <janrinok> I can't believe that that is an intended function
[09:35:08] <FatPhil> the big one was (like the replacement) 2nd hand. I can try to flog this as the only thing that is known not to work is the HDMI, and 28 of the inputs aren't HDMI
[09:36:59] <c0lo> =submit https://www.esquire.com
[09:37:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Interior Secretary Deb Haaland Announces Native American Boarding School Investigation" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:37:42] <c0lo> https://abc7.com
[09:37:43] <systemd> ^ 03Family reports receiving 16 calls from missing grandparents' landline in collapsed Florida condo
[09:38:25] <janrinok> I don't like HDMI on my monitors - it is too vivid for comfort and I prefer the appearance of the VGA output. But for your amp, you have to decide does it do enough of what you want. Hope you don't lose to much money on the deal
[09:38:45] <c0lo> =submit https://www.commondreams.org
[09:38:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03In Blow to GOP Narrative, Missouri Cut to Jobless Benefits Not Boosting Hiring" (34p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:40:20] <inz> I bought a second hand amp (that does video routing too) a couple of years ago, thinking I won't go 4K in any foreseeable future so FHD is quite enough for it.
[09:40:29] <inz> Then bought a 4K telly a couple months later.
[09:42:25] <janrinok> s/to much money/too much money/
[09:42:25] <SedBot> <janrinok> I don't like HDMI on my monitors - it is too vivid for comfort and I prefer the appearance of the VGA output. But for your amp, you have to decide does it do enough of what you want. Hope you don't lose too much money on the deal
[09:42:49] <janrinok> ... that was the tea getting its own back on me
[09:44:04] <inz> you got a free "it wasn't my fault" -card
[09:45:33] <janrinok> it looks like the repeat function is not responding as it should. Perhaps change kbd and give the other a good drying session, or even a quick rinse with distilled water.
[09:46:20] <janrinok> I've got plenty of kbds to hand.
[09:46:34] <janrinok> time for lunch!
[09:47:09] <inz> Hmm, I think the tea-over-irc did work after all, my right shift key just got stuck
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[10:33:44] <FatPhil> i'm happy this new amp was only 60e - I'm hoping I can sell the old one for 80-100.
[11:04:19] <FatPhil> woh - I don't remember this: https://www.nature.com
[11:04:21] <systemd> ^ 03Flight of an aeroplane with solid-state propulsion
[11:04:35] <inz> lovely url
[11:04:58] <FatPhil> That's an ion drive - as in the very low thrust things that only work out in space
[11:06:04] <FatPhil> nature lies - cookies are supported, they're just rejected.
[11:06:20] <inz> or eaten
[11:06:56] <FatPhil> crumbled into dust
[11:07:14] <inz> clicked to oblivion
[11:08:57] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[11:08:58] <systemd> ^ 03Ion drive: The first flight
[11:10:02] <FatPhil> Ah, watching that vid does vaguely ring a bell
[11:25:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fast, Reliable Broadband is a Key Selling Point for House Hunters - https://sylnt.us - access-to-pron-is-a-human-right
[11:28:48] <inz> Hmm, if intartubes is a human right, are parents limiting their children's screen time committing human rights violation?
[11:29:17] <inz> Oh right, we concluded earlier that having children is an atrocity in itself.
[12:07:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Fundraising Status -- Almost There -- Today is Last Day of 2021H1 - https://sylnt.us
[12:35:21] <Bytram> inz++ ADM-3A -- now *that* is a blast from the past!
[12:35:21] <Bender> karma - inz: 8
[12:37:28] <inz> I'm not actually old-school enough though :(
[12:37:46] <inz> Never seen one but in pictures.
[12:40:17] <Ingar> screen time <> intartube
[12:40:31] <Ingar> it suffices to use an internet connected brain monitor implant
[12:41:00] * Bytram Spent many an hour on one back in the day. Hooked up to a 64 KB minicomputer made by Computervision. Heh. It had a couple sticky keys so had to hit 'em hard for them to register. Those were the days!
[12:43:02] <inz> 64 kb should be enough for everyone
[12:44:31] <Ingar> I admit, my first computer (actually, my parent's computer) had 640 kb
[12:45:57] <janrinok> mine was a Nascom 1 (Z80 based. 4k RAM, 2k ROM, tape cassette for storage, build from kit) over 1200 soldered joints)
[12:46:11] <Ingar> I did have an VT220 terminal that looked a bit like this ADM-3A
[12:46:13] <janrinok> yes 4k!
[12:46:15] <FatPhil> nascom rocked
[12:46:46] <FatPhil> I had a college friend who still had his 10+ years later
[12:46:49] <Bytram> It was, sorta. I was working *at* Computervision at the time. Maintaining their code that translated a generic "parts" program to handle special codes provided by Numerical Controlled Machines. Wouldn't all fit in memory at once, so was split into three processing stages that loaded, did some work, and then wrote an intermediary file for the next stage to read in!
[12:46:50] <Ingar> Schneider EuroPC XT at the full 9.56Mhz
[12:47:01] <janrinok> I've still got it in the cellar although upgraded to 640k and 5MB hard drive
[12:47:22] <janrinok> more than twice the clock of my Z80
[12:47:27] <Ingar> unfortunately I threw away a lot of old PC material when I moved
[12:47:46] <FatPhil> I sold my zx81 so I could get a zx spectrum, I still have that.
[12:47:57] <Bytram> My first computer had 4 KiB of static RAM. BASIC in ROM.
[12:48:17] <FatPhil> zx81 had 1K, but I had the 16K ram pack
[12:48:23] <Bytram> =g Ohio Scientific Challenger 4P
[12:48:24] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Ohio Scientific - Wikipedia
[12:48:38] <inz> I started with a C64
[12:49:28] <Ingar> My nepphew had a C64 we played games in out during the 80's
[12:49:34] <Ingar> *games on it
[12:49:59] <Ingar> but I really got into computers when myparents got that XT
[12:50:10] <inz> I had one store-bought game! (which sucked, and never really played it)
[12:50:52] <janrinok> https://www.computinghistory.org.uk
[12:50:55] <systemd> ^ 03Nascom 1 - Computer - Computing History
[12:51:19] <janrinok> at least it had a 'proper' keyboard
[12:51:21] <Bytram> my 2nd computer was an Atari 800. Got a memory cartridge to boost the memory up to (IIRC) 16 KiB
[12:51:46] <Ingar> in 1978 I was 1yr :D
[12:51:52] <inz> I was -4
[12:52:37] <janrinok> lol
[12:53:09] <janrinok> I'll just climb into my coffin and take a long nap....
[12:53:42] <inz> Write a memoire before that, so we don't forget the stone age.
[12:53:45] <Ingar> I did that this morning
[12:53:50] <Ingar> arrivd 1.5hr late at work :)
[12:55:02] <Bytram> after that I got a commodore 64 and then after that finally got an IBM PC/AT compatible that ran at 10 MHz with one wait state or 12 MHz with two wait states -- splurged and got extra ram to boost it to 1 MiB. Also bought a Seagate ST-251 40 MiB half-height hard disk!
[12:55:38] <Bytram> memories++
[12:55:39] <Bender> karma - memories: 2
[12:55:53] <janrinok> I skipped a few generations after the Nascom and bought a 286 machine
[12:55:53] <FatPhil> I got an Atart 520STFM and threw an extra 512K in to get it to the meg
[12:55:55] <inz> this is heresy, if I google PS/2, I get PlayStation 2
[12:56:08] <Ingar> that schneider had an external 20MB HD the size of a small shoebox
[12:56:09] <Bytram> =g Wells American Computer
[12:56:09] <systemd> https://www.old-computers.com - OLD-COMPUTERS.COM Museum ~ Intertec HEADSTART
[12:57:23] <Bytram> inz: Sounds like it was a 5 1/4" full-height drive.
[12:57:34] <inz> First PC was a PS/2 model 70, IIRC
[12:58:27] <inz> I just wish I didn't get rid of the keyboard, it was awesome
[12:58:32] <Bytram> inz: IIRC that had a 386 at either 20 MHz or 25 MHz
[12:58:33] <inz> And neighbour friendly
[12:59:14] <inz> Oh no, must've been 50 or 60 then, it was a 286
[13:00:40] * Bytram was issued a PS/2 Model P70 at work; 20 pound lugable with an orange-ish gas plasma display (IIRC)
[13:01:29] <Bytram> hmmm, yes, it was offered with a variety of procs; I only had experience with the 386's.
[13:01:30] <inz> I've no idea which model it was, it looked (inside and out) like the 70, but was a 286
[13:01:36] <inz> Including the white power switch
[13:01:38] <janrinok> Bytram, interesting question has appeared on your latest Meta story
[13:01:46] <Bytram> looking
[13:02:06] <janrinok> regarding anonymous subbing and crypto currency I think
[13:02:11] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks for 2nding it!
[13:05:28] * janrinok better get some work done..... biab
[13:08:54] <Bytram> answered
[13:08:59] <Bytram> laundry
[13:12:48] <Bytram> .
[13:13:46] <Teckla> progo: Kind-of sort-of 3 popular browser engine cores now, right? WebKit (Apple), Blink (fork of WebKit, Google), and Gecko (Mozilla)?
[13:14:06] <Teckla> That is, kind-of sort-of, if you squint and defocus your eyes a bit. ;)
[13:19:35] <Bytram> palemoon has its own, IIRC. Goanna? Something like that.
[13:20:26] * Teckla needs to stop being lazy and just plain learn how to use uBlock Origin, which he already has installed!
[13:20:35] <Bytram> we just got a $100.00 (anonymous) subscription! Woo Hoo!
[13:21:26] <raxas> =submit https://www.sentinelone.com
[13:21:30] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03DarkRadiation | Abusing Bash for Linux and Docker Container Ransomware - SentinelOne" (33p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:21:42] * Bytram uses uBlock Origin but finds the UI un-intuitive
[13:28:55] <Teckla> Bytram: What's the monthly cost of keeping the lights on? If you know and are willing to share :)
[13:36:58] <Bytram> Teckla: *approximately* $7,000 per year covers everything; servers, CPA, taxes, business fees for being incorporated as a Public Benefit Corp. -- I think that covers it!
[13:37:56] <Bytram> according to dc:
[13:37:57] <Bytram> 7000 365 / f
[13:37:57] <Bytram> 19.1780
[13:38:01] <Teckla> Bytram: Wow. That's *far* more than I would have expected. Almost $600/month! :O
[13:38:36] <Teckla> For some reason, I was expecting something closer to $100/month.
[13:38:36] <Bytram> so less than $20.00 per day for *everything*
[13:39:21] <Teckla> Do site donations/subscriptions cover the costs?
[13:40:01] <Bytram> we are looking to consolidate some servers, but there's some postponed software updates that we should do first.
[13:40:48] <FatPhil> I still think the first priority should be to reduce costs.
[13:41:51] <Bytram> We came up a few $hundred short the last fundraising period, but if we can make this goal, I expect we'll be okay
[13:44:10] <Bytram> FatPhil: yes, that would be good. How are your server admin skills? We've got several boxes with different processes arrayed across them. And, atm, we VERY limited staff (all volunteers) who do this in their spare time.
[13:44:24] * Teckla needs to upgrade his Linux VPS to the $20/month offering.
[13:44:52] <Teckla> Bytram: Does SN have a page that shows the current architecture?
[13:44:55] <Bytram> we have a lot of calls to reduce costs -- but nobody seems to be willing to actually *help*
[13:47:21] <FatPhil> I admin my own networks, but they've been designed using Phil-think, which might not scale to a many-user site. I'm willing to learn SN's systems, though, so I can help out.
[13:47:29] <Bytram> there's a tech Wiki with some stuff on it, but nothing like what you are asking for. Lord knows I've tried to track things down, but I don't know enough of the underlying services (mysql, nginx, apache, etc) to be able to take a ps cross systems and know what I am looking at/ :(
[13:47:50] <Bytram> FatPhil++
[13:47:50] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 129
[13:48:28] * Teckla only "admins" a single box. Not even that -- just a single VM on a box. I guess I should hand in my geek card.
[13:49:07] <Teckla> On the other hand, the MC server I'm running there is very popular with my kid and my kid's friends. So much so that I reeeaaallly need to upgrade. It gets pretty laggy with 7-8 players.
[13:49:12] <Bytram> setting up users is way outside my wheelhouse; probably best to check with mechanicjay or Deucalion or maybe audioguy
[13:50:01] <Teckla> What happened to TheMightyBuzzard? Haven't heard nary a peep from him in a while.
[13:50:07] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: *poke*!
[13:51:54] * Bytram waves hands and estimates business overhead (Incorporation fees, taxes, bank account, CPA run on the order of at least $1K per year)
[13:52:08] <Bytram> Teckla: TMB resigned
[13:52:30] <Teckla> Bytram: How come? Too much time investment?
[13:52:36] <Bytram> about a couple weeks before the site crash
[13:52:57] <Teckla> Lucky timing for him! Dodged a bullet.
[13:53:39] <Bytram> he wrote up a journal entry and when the site crashed and we had to restore from ~month-old backups, it was lost. ;(
[13:54:29] <Teckla> I don't mean this in a negative way, but I'm not sure all that much of value was lost...
[13:54:31] <Bytram> Wasn't finding it as fun as he used to, "I don't do disco" was the title of his post, IIRC.
[13:55:32] <Bytram> Teckla: not quite. I gave him a phone call and he then spoke with MJ and helped us get things working.
[13:56:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Assange - Round-Up of News Items - https://sylnt.us
[13:59:50] <Teckla> Bytram: Ah ha. Very nice of him!
[14:00:11] <Teckla> Well, if SN ever wants its own dedicated Minecraft server, I'M YOUR GUY! :D
[14:06:36] <Bytram> Teckla++ Interesting thought! Are you serious? /me has no idea how popular that might be.
[14:06:36] <Bender> karma - teckla: 10
[14:10:29] <Teckla> Oh, well, um, I wouldn't be offering to pay the hosting fees or anything, heh -- but running a Minecraft server is drop-dead easy.
[14:11:06] <Teckla> Very little setup and maintenance.
[14:14:10] <inz> If you should implement a gopher site using tskrtt as daemon, I'm more than willing to provide assistance :)
[14:15:55] <inz> Which reminds me, I've been meaning to migrate away from wordpress to some static generator, but somehow never seem to have the time,
[14:16:27] <inz> Not that I have any useful content on my blag, so might just as well replace with a blank page.
[14:23:49] <Bytram> Teckla: well, for the most part, this site pretty much runs itself, but it does require some hands on work on occasion (mostly just restarting (bouncing) or apache servers)
[14:24:34] <Runaway1956> Maybe potential problem coming up?
[14:24:57] <Runaway1956> The slashbox that tells me someone has replied to a comment worked - after some minutes.
[14:25:24] <Runaway1956> I refreshed a page, found a comment, read it, looked at the slashbox, and it said zero
[14:25:38] <Runaway1956> almost five minutes later, it showed that response to my comment.
[14:25:46] <Bytram> atm we have some deferred maintenance but we're making plans about it now (albeit slowly, but we are looking!)
[14:25:59] <Runaway1956> OK, just so you know!
[14:26:14] <inz> Patience you must have
[14:26:42] <Bytram> Runaway1956: that's slashd -- our internal cron-alike process that came along with the original slash code.
[14:26:50] <Runaway1956> Patience is mad at me, won't make a fresh pot of coffee for me.
[14:27:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Fundraising Status -- Almost There -- Today is Last Day of 2021H1 [UPDATES 1] - https://sylnt.us
[14:27:45] <Bytram> IIRC, 5 minutes sounds like the time it would awaken, check replies, and update the messages box. Not a problem as I see it.
[14:28:20] * Bytram needs to take a ~1/2 hr break.
[14:29:04] * Runaway1956 heads off to make a subscription - he skipped the last round
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[14:38:52] <Runaway1956> That was fast - I clicked the "pay now" button, came back to SN page and refreshed it - the person for whom I bought a sub already had a star by his/her name
[14:39:24] <janrinok> good to see that it works!
[14:40:57] <janrinok> and thanks. I wonder how many of our community realise that we get a lot of real support from many of the user nicks that they love to hate - from all sides of the political spectrum.
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[14:46:05] <Teckla> inz: Is there a lot of Gopher content out there these days?
[14:46:45] <inz> Teckla, not much, but slowly increasing
[14:48:57] * Teckla downloaded Brave just for trying out and browsing IPFS content, but is, quite frankly, having trouble finding much content.
[14:57:53] <raxas> =submit https://www.ladbible.com
[14:57:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Australian Parents Should Ask for Consent Before Changing Nappies, Says Childcare Chain" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:59:18] <Runaway1956> I will confirm inz findings with IPFS
[15:02:41] <inz> IPFS sounds like reinventing the internet inside the internet
[15:03:36] <Bytram> wish I could hang around. gtg; back in ~2.5/3 hrs
[15:39:39] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.businessinsider.co.za
[15:39:44] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08China Threatened Historians, Told Them to Ignore Sources Highlighting its Botched Early Covid-19 Res" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:41:37] <Runaway1956> "Certain portions of our history are off limits to historians - we will tell you what to think, and what to say."
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[16:09:41] <raxas> business insider quoting scmp is fun, but my own business insight is taiwan dominates as the topmost investor in continental china, including direct transfer of technologies to production facilities. that's not what true enemies usually do...
[16:10:14] <raxas> I am afraid the West is being scammed on this for decades
[16:16:18] <raxas> if some people on this planet can draw up a plan for 200 years forward and execute it systematically, it's the hua xia civilization. behind them 50 centuries of experience in state management after all
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[16:41:51] <FatPhil> taiwan's doing the "build it in china, it's cheaper" thing that everyone in the west does, no difference.
[16:54:15] <requerdanos> The 200 year conspiracy theory is more interesting, if more fanciful
[17:17:15] <raxas> ok, then: there is a secret empress living in taiwan, whom even communists sworn allegiance to
[17:18:21] <requerdanos> How sad that she has to reign in secret.
[17:18:31] <raxas> I asked my source if lisa su is that empress, was told no
[17:19:50] <raxas> but obviously, she reigns in secret because of... britons. keeping the lineage
[17:25:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Flying Car Completes Test Flight Between Airports - https://sylnt.us - where.we.are.going.we.do.not.need.roads
[18:07:28] <FatPhil> The "allez opi omi" sign woman = A low hag minimizes peloton (anagram)
[18:55:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site Fundraising Status -- Almost There -- Today is Last Day of 2021H1 [UPDATES: 2] - https://sylnt.us - We're-thiiiiiiiis-close!
[19:13:50] <Bytram> =blame
[19:13:50] * systemd points at Bytram
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[19:21:18] <inz> Oh lovely, #slackboxes:-moz-only-whitespace ~ #articles { margin-right: 0 !important; } in sitestyles makes the front page wider from the screen-real-estate-matters dept
[19:21:36] <inz> I guess :empty should work too in newer browsers
[20:06:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Canada to Ban Sale of New Fuel-Powered Cars and Light Trucks from 2035 - https://sylnt.us
[20:06:26] <requerdanos> regardless of the fuel?
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[20:12:08] <inz> req, I think nuclear cars are already forbidden.
[20:12:57] <requerdanos> can't think why. clean-running, green fuel. glowing green, even.
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[21:22:26] <raxas> it's going to be treadmill powered I guess. healthier transportation...
[21:23:59] <raxas> meanwhile, russia builds huge hydrogen production facilities powered by nuclear electricity, to produce fuel for future cars
[21:25:14] <raxas> they are not as stupid to expect funny lithium batteries working in deep freeze, unlike other nations
[22:01:20] <raxas> https://www.youtube.com "never step back" OST from https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:01:21] <systemd> ^ 03张韶涵(Angela Zhang) - 破茧(Break the Cocoon)Soul Land Theme Song(Chi/Pinyin/Eng lyrics)
[22:01:23] <systemd> ^ 03Douluo Continent - Wikipedia
[22:01:42] <raxas> this is not the China you are hoping to conquer
[22:45:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Peculiar Parasitic Fungi Discovered Growing Out of Rectum of a 50 Million-Year-Old Fossilized Ant - https://sylnt.us - places-where-parasitic-fungi-grow
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