#soylent | Logs for 2021-06-25

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[00:03:45] <FatPhil> If you're not familiar with the documentaries of Adam Curtis, I recommend them. One of his programs was almost entirely about how metrics fucked the UK.
[00:03:54] <FatPhil> Thanks, USA!
[00:04:40] <FatPhil> (you'd need to see the doc to see the connection. clue: it includes a not-a-nobel prize winning economist)
[00:05:59] <FatPhil> Not that MF was entirely wrong. His "negative income tax" is something even you and I support, I believe.
[00:06:53] <FatPhil> However, like everyone who said "I have great ideas that will improve the world", he ended up causing more harm than good.
[00:17:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 30M Dell Devices at Risk for Remote BIOS Attacks - https://soylentnews.org
[00:18:25] <AzumaHazuki> wow
[00:25:58] <FatPhil> strap yourself in, you're about to be secure booted really hard.
[00:29:42] <FatPhil> Hmmm, 3:30AM, I think I'm going try to doze off. Catch you later!
[01:17:13] <tedious> What's wrong with the metric system?
[01:18:32] <tedious> I guess I can see how switching would be a pain but I thought it was better overall?
[01:21:16] <AzumaHazuki> it is, since all the units divide nicely...though the temperature scale feels odd if you're used to Fahrenheit
[01:21:52] <AzumaHazuki> 0 being freezing and 100 being boiling makes sense, but 0 being "fucking COLD, Jesus!" and 100 being "fucking HOT, Jesus!" is a little closer to everyday experience
[01:22:53] <tedious> I hear ya.
[01:23:15] <tedious> Just clueless about how it could have fucked the uk.
[01:23:39] <tedious> Oh well here coes another 4 hour nodejs emerge.
[01:24:15] <AzumaHazuki> 4 hours? what on, an Atom?
[02:00:37] <tedious> Ok maybe 3? :)
[02:01:26] <tedious> I can't afford to buy fancy new systems so some of my stuff is just old but still works.
[02:34:39] <tedious> I guess more memory and some ssds instead of hard drives would make things go faster too.
[02:35:01] <tedious> Oh well I'm in no hurry tonight.
[02:45:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 3D Printed, AI Controlled BioPods Can Grow Food in Space - https://sylnt.us - it-ain't-much-but-it-is-honest-work
[02:46:31] <Runaway1956> Did the goat stare back?
[02:57:19] <AzumaHazuki> i find enough ram to put /var/tmp/portage on tmpfs (do this in fstab) is very helpful, yes
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[04:34:31] <tedious> How much ram does that usually need?
[04:35:19] <tedious> I looked at trying to make that go to /var/run but it takes a ton of space to compile firefox.
[05:15:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - White-Hot Blocks as Renewable Energy Storage? - https://sylnt.us - hot-stuff~
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[05:22:46] <MarissaVanEck> odd...
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[05:26:46] <AzumaHazuki> weird, sound issues...this needs a full power cycle i think
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[06:22:37] <chromas> Gotta restart your pipewire daemon
[06:51:13] <FatPhil> Ah, who remembers this twitter thread's existence, before the author was cancel-battered to remove it: https://threader.app
[06:51:14] <systemd> ^ 03A thread written by @DrEricDing
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[07:27:23] <FatPhil> https://i.imgur.com
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[07:33:16] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[07:34:08] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[07:34:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Blood Test That Finds 50 Types of Cancer is Accurate Enough to be Rolled Out" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:36:08] <c0lo> So, they finally gave Giuliani some suspenders, eh?
[07:41:17] <c0lo> =submit a-run-4-your-money https://pcmag.com
[07:41:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Latest Technology Product Reviews, News, Tips, and Deals" (3p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:43:07] <c0lo> =submit https://act.eff.org
[07:43:09] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Now is the Time. Tell Congress to Ban Federal Use of Face Recognition" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:45:40] <c0lo> =submit mildly-interesting https://www.dailydot.com
[07:45:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Exclusive: Hacker Reveals Smart Meters are Spilling Secrets About the Texas Snowstorm" (32p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:57:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Large Oort Cloud Comet Will Reach Near the Orbit of Saturn in 2031 - https://sylnt.us - that's-not-a-[minor]-planet...
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[10:27:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft's Windows 11 Release Event: TL;DR Version - https://sylnt.us
[12:16:56] <Bytram> requerdanos++ HHGTTG reference
[12:16:56] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 29
[13:07:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comment Moderation: History, Karma, Mod Bombs, and Sock Puppets - https://sylnt.us - The-Mod-Squad
[13:14:15] <Teckla> "Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use."
[13:14:18] <Teckla> Um, yuck.
[13:14:42] <Teckla> Just when you think personal computing can't become any less personal and more invasive.
[13:20:54] <Bytram> I've been putting this off, but it's time to reboot my lappy so pending updates can get installed. A bunch more updates were just made available, so I think it best to apply pending changes, then D/L new updates, then (if needed) reboot again.
[13:21:04] <Bytram> Wish me luck!
[13:23:09] <Teckla> Bytram: Good luck! What OS are you using?
[13:26:21] <janrinok> He is using ubuntu 20.04
[13:32:57] <Teckla> Good OS, other than Gnome 3 being kind of meh. ;)
[13:33:01] * Teckla uses MATE.
[13:36:23] <janrinok> so do I
[13:36:29] <janrinok> ... and Bytram
[13:36:56] <progo> I like MATE but I find the only way to get your default browser preference to work is to symlink /usr/local/bin/firefox to your chosen browser
[13:37:30] <progo> All the "correct" ways to set it don't work for everything that launches a browser
[13:38:53] <janrinok> I've had no problem with that particular issue, but I like the fact that it is so easy to write extensions to the DE in any programming language you choose. I have over 20 extensions in use to enable to do many of the repetitive tasks quickly from the scripts menu.
[13:39:26] <janrinok> s/enable to do/enable me to do/
[13:39:26] <SedBot> <janrinok> I've had no problem with that particular issue, but I like the fact that it is so easy to write extensions to the DE in any programming language you choose. I have over 20 extensions in use to enable me to do many of the repetitive tasks quickly from the scripts menu.
[13:39:33] <progo> I like MATE because it just works mostly and I don't need any extensions.
[13:52:20] <FatPhil> "tasks" that need doing can surely just be shell scripts, why do you need them integrated into a desktop environment?
[14:06:08] <janrinok> Because one mouse click and the shell script runs with the files that I have selected, or in the directory in which I am active, or .... Loads of reasons that just make my life easier. I can still use them as shell scripts, but I have them available for convenience.
[14:07:40] <janrinok> I can edit submissions from the site directly on my computer and send them back to the site automatically. Saves me loads of time and gives me access to utilities that Rehash doesn't.
[14:14:17] <janrinok> looks like Bytram might have pressed the wrong button.....
[14:28:48] <FatPhil> not the off switch?
[14:30:11] <janrinok> 'you were only meant to be updating' - with apologies to Michael Caine
[14:31:44] <FatPhil> if things get momentarily brighter on flicking the off switch, things aren't good.
[14:33:32] <janrinok> ah, Bytram reappears elsewhere!
[14:46:01] <Bytram> reboot was successful. new updates were available. downloaded those. installed. That wanted a reboot. Rebooted. Ran some quick check (Thunderbird, Firefix, etc.) and all seemed okay. =)
[14:54:54] <Teckla> janrinok: Glad to hear there are other MATE fans here!
[14:55:26] <Teckla> progo: Right! Out of the box, MATE does almost everything right. :)
[14:57:08] <Teckla> Bytram: Woohoo! :)
[14:57:36] * Bytram is running Mate
[14:57:47] <Teckla> mah-tay ftw
[14:58:45] <Teckla> Something about other people using MATE here makes me happy.
[15:01:37] <Bytram> I'm much more comfortable with *basic* CLI utilities (awk, sed, ls, chmod, and the like) though I understand system-level concepts (I tested IBM's VM many years ago), the actual invocations and ramifications on linux are still... "opaque". Things wil improve with experience. =)
[15:14:19] <Bytram> gtg; back later!/away
[15:17:14] <chromas> My favorite feature of MATE is carrying on the tradition of turning a one-syllable word into two by pronouncing a psilent lettre in its name
[15:27:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blood Test That Finds 50 Types of Cancer is Accurate Enough to be Rolled Out - https://sylnt.us - can't-prove-a-negative
[16:12:06] <Teckla> Bytram: Somewhat similar to that, I like Midnight Commander (mc) far better than any GUI file manager/explorer I've ever used.
[16:12:28] <Teckla> I guess mc isn't command line but it *is* text/console mode.
[16:12:44] <Teckla> chromas: ha!
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[17:57:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japan Proposes Four-Day Working Week to Improve Work-Life Balance - https://sylnt.us - make-more-babies
[18:07:19] <AzumaHazuki> i can't imagine that going over well culturally. that country is insane about work
[19:24:32] <Teckla> Dig around in old newspapers, and you'll find people and company propaganda talking about how only lazy and useless people want a mere 5 day/40 hour workweek.
[19:25:17] <Teckla> I mention it because now that 4 day workweeks are being bandied around, you'll find people and company talking about how only lazy and useless people want a mere 5 day workweek, heh.
[19:26:00] <Teckla> s/company talking/company propaganda/
[19:26:00] <SedBot> <Teckla> I mention it because now that 4 day workweeks are being bandied around, you'll find people and company propaganda about how only lazy and useless people want a mere 5 day workweek, heh.
[19:26:05] <Teckla> SedBot++
[19:26:05] <Bender> karma - sedbot: 10
[19:26:05] * SedBot is a 54-line awk script, https://github.com
[19:26:56] <Teckla> Oops, I meant, "want a mere 4 day workweek".
[19:26:59] <Teckla> So many typos, so little time.
[19:28:34] <janrinok> I was privately chuckling to myself for that typo long before you corrected it!
[19:28:34] <AzumaHazuki> the decoupling of wages from productivity in the 70s should smash that bullshit set of arguments
[20:33:36] <Runaway1956> You guys are messing with people's minds today?
[20:33:59] <Runaway1956> I clicked "reply" to the Chauvin sentencing story - and got "nothing to see here, move along"
[20:35:02] <Runaway1956> !blame
[20:37:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Messaging App Signal Not in Compliance With New Rules in India - https://sylnt.us - secure-encryption-that-is-insecure-on-demand
[20:37:35] <Bytram> sorry about the system glitch; should be released in less than 10 minutes.
[20:37:37] <chromas> just trying to hide our Chauvinism
[20:38:12] <Runaway1956> lol - that's one of those glitches that can make a guy start wondering if the Matrix is real
[20:38:14] <Bytram> chromas++ Brilliant! (As the English would say)
[20:38:14] <Bender> karma - chromas: 365
[20:40:19] <Bytram> Runaway1956: pick your poison^W pill: red or blue?
[20:40:48] * Runaway1956 likes blue, but chooses the red, because there is no violent color
[20:41:29] <Bytram> did you mean "violent" or "violet"?
[20:41:47] <Runaway1956> I stuck the 'n' in there just to see if anyone would call me a racist
[20:41:50] <Bytram> what difference does a single letter make?
[20:43:15] <chromas> Violent, you're turning violent, Violent!
[20:44:02] <chromas> Single letters can't do nothin' on their own. Just ask the Gunome project
[20:44:16] <Bytram> Grrr! After applying system updates, I can no longer send audio through HDMI to the 43" UHD 4K TV that I use as my computer monitor -- am stuck with tiny, tinny speakers in my laptop. :(
[20:44:53] <Runaway1956> Sound through HDMI can be a pain over here in Linux land as well - don't feel lonely.
[20:45:05] <chromas> How's your graphics on the lap now?
[20:45:19] <chromas> Maybe the nvidia driver stub didn't build right or something
[20:47:58] <chromas> assuming you're using nvidia, try running nvidia-settings (and assuming it's installed)
[20:48:11] <chromas> if it's installed but doesn't wanna run then the driver's borked
[20:53:48] <Bytram> thanks for asking! This is the first thing I've notices, so far. Wanna see what else (if anything) is amiss before I go mucking about.
[20:54:01] <Bytram> s/ced/ced/
[20:54:31] * Bytram taps systemd on the shoulder
[20:54:37] <Bytram> =help
[20:54:37] <systemd> acontribute, asub, asubmit, cite, contribute, doi, rehashctl, sedctl, sub, submit
[20:54:59] <Bytram> =sedctl on
[20:54:59] <systemd> disabled in this channel)
[20:55:03] <Bytram> =sedctl on
[20:55:03] <systemd> disabled in this channel)
[20:55:24] <chromas> Bytram: s/n/ff/
[20:55:24] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bytram> =sedctl off
[20:55:43] <Bytram> but I want sed working is that noton?
[20:55:52] <Bytram> =sedctl on
[20:55:52] <systemd> disabled in this channel)
[20:56:01] <Bytram> =sedctl off
[20:56:01] <systemd> disabled in this channel)
[20:56:04] <chromas> it's already on
[20:56:14] <chromas> different bot
[20:56:26] <Bytram> oh really?
[20:56:39] <Bytram> s/reall/rare/
[20:56:39] <SedBot> <Bytram> oh rarey?
[20:56:49] <Bytram> =blame
[20:56:49] * systemd points at Bytram
[20:57:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Derek Chauvin is Sentenced to 22½ Years in Prison for George Floyd Murder - https://sylnt.us
[20:57:44] <Bytram> break time
[21:03:26] <chromas> from the gloves-finally-came-off dept.
[21:50:21] <Runaway1956> no, from the masks-finally-came-off dept.
[21:56:54] <Bytram> Runaway1956: Actually, during the sentencing hearing, it seemed the majority of the people I saw were wearing masks. Well, the judge was, but I saw defense counsel remove his when he approached to speak.
[22:16:43] <Runaway1956> How long since anyone here has shopped for a landline telephone?
[22:17:06] <Runaway1956> I need one that has volume that goes up to leventy-leven or so
[22:18:08] <chromas> Get yourself a modem and use software phone
[22:18:14] <chromas> though I assume it's for a family member
[22:18:49] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm - interesting idea - lemme look at it
[22:18:57] <Runaway1956> and, yes, I'm a family member
[22:20:11] <Runaway1956> found 60 db volume - that's pretty freaking loud!
[22:24:51] <Runaway1956> They all ship from EU or the UK - must be a lot of deaf people over there!
[22:33:24] <chromas> That's because they grew up with BBC in their ears
[22:45:50] <Runaway1956> 26 db sounds cool - very basic wall mount, no answering machine or anything - ugly white, but the price is right!
[22:46:05] <Runaway1956> https://www.ebay.com
[22:46:07] <systemd> ^ 03Clarity C200 Amplified Trimstyle 26dB Telephone Wall Mountable 10' Cord White
[23:15:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Songbirds and Humans Share Some Common Speech Patterns - https://sylnt.us - so-that's-why-it's-called-Twitter
[23:34:25] <AzumaHazuki> also similarly to humans, a lot of what birds are saying amounts to "fuck off" or "hey babe, come get some of this!"