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[00:10:17] <kyonko> the correct nomenclature is IBM PC 51xx series
[00:10:23] * kyonko face palms
[00:10:28] <kyonko> of course
[00:11:11] <Runaway1956> how is kyonko-bot today?
[00:12:03] * Runaway1956 does crc check on kyonko-bot bios
[00:13:11] <kyonko> i have firmware, nvram, no bios
[00:13:24] <kyonko> unix bootblock only
[00:13:28] <kyonko> disklabels
[00:13:43] <Runaway1956> systemd enabled?
[00:13:50] <kyonko> this is way before systemd
[00:14:11] <Runaway1956> well, yeah, but you should be systemd enabled by now
[00:14:14] <kyonko> some mid 2000's PC's have a bios in an nvram
[00:14:16] <Runaway1956> part of the borg
[00:14:33] <kyonko> those are the ones everyone tended to brick
[00:18:15] * Runaway1956 notes that no one points out how redundant my "cyclic redundancy check check" is
[00:24:15] <kyonko> its only good for slow computer networks
[00:37:22] <kyonko> the minus zero site mentions tempest, good shit
[00:59:04] <kyonko> wth, no VGA for PC AT?
[01:06:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Branson May Make a Last-Ditch Effort to Beat Bezos Into Space - https://sylnt.us - competition
[01:09:34] <kyonko> ...
[01:10:09] <kyonko> are these guys fit for space or hell, high endurance aeronautics?
[01:20:42] <kyonko> these guys are going to push a rocket plane to where air is so thin they could stall and re-enter quite hot
[01:21:24] <kyonko> these clowns are going to wipe out as hard as the x-15 did
[02:10:13] <Runaway1956> Hopefully, they both wipe out, and the beneficiaries of their wills blow their fortunes
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[03:37:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bosch Starting New Wafer Production in Europe - https://sylnt.us - chips-und-wafer
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[03:53:02] <SoyCow7192> Invalid form key. Crime: Calling out the Jews in the ToR project.
[03:53:16] <SoyCow7192> Punishment: Invalid Form Key.
[03:54:11] <SoyCow7192> Perhaps that will teach those Goyim scum to not insult the Jews again.
[03:54:55] <SoyCow7192> P.S. Fuck those inbred Jew rats.
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[04:04:34] <SoyCow3210> Scum Jew fucks.
[04:04:43] <SoyCow3210> Jew fucks - scum.
[04:04:53] <SoyCow3210> Remember the USS Liberty
[04:05:11] <SoyCow3210> 9/11 was perpetrated by Jews.
[04:06:03] <AzumaHazuki> your mom was perpetrated by the entire football team
[04:06:07] <SoyCow3210> How many Goyim lost their lives for Israel?
[04:06:52] <SoyCow3210> Uh oh, the RABBIS are out!
[04:07:13] <SoyCow3210> They slurp crotches like Biden slurps hair
[04:07:20] <AzumaHazuki> silly rabbi, kicks are for trids
[04:07:36] <SoyCow3210> Botniggers.
[04:08:59] <SoyCow3210> There's money to be made from a toilet, made for Jewish bankers and German politicians,
[04:09:25] <SoyCow3210> Containing automated spice racks for optimal seasoning of the stool.
[04:09:55] <SoyCow3210> Automated compartments for the eating utensils
[04:10:06] * AzumaHazuki wonders how many hard drugs and nailbat beatings it takes to turn someone into this
[04:11:06] <SoyCow3210> Ask the EU's bureaucrats. They know that better than any of us do.
[04:12:19] <SoyCow3210> They requested the toothpick reservoir to pick the cork kernels and other roughage after their post-shit-gobbling toothbrushings.
[04:13:59] <SoyCow3210> Word on the street is that German toilets also function as dinner plates. They're designed that way.
[04:14:22] <SoyCow3210> American toilets make no mistake in getting that downward and outta there.
[04:14:48] <SoyCow3210> But German toilets place the stool high on a flat platter, for examination and consumption.
[04:15:19] <SoyCow3210> That makes Jews thirsty and hungry.
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[05:18:44] <FatPhil> Hypothesis - Eth's wiener got mangled shortly after birth, and now he blames the Jews for inventing the unnecessary procedure that mangled him?
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[06:05:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Vulnerabilities in Wi-Fi Security Revealed - https://sylnt.us - wireless-infidelity
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[08:36:29] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[08:36:31] <systemd> ^ 03Book of Christ | Infomercials | Adult Swim
[08:37:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Finds Novel Evidence that Dreams Reflect Multiple Memories, Anticipate Future Events - https://sylnt.us - perchance-to-dream
[08:43:23] <FatPhil> https://t.co
[08:43:24] <systemd> ^ 03https://twitter.com/mtrlguy/status/1400216302225006600/video/1
[09:14:31] <chromas> uggos should've been doing stonks while masks were still in
[09:24:45] <inz> I wonder if they'd reimburse relocation costs...
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[10:56:49] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:56:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5565
[11:00:18] <Bytram> Ick. 100% humidity is NOT fun.
[11:00:32] * Bytram heads off for a long cool shower.
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[11:05:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's Juno Spacecraft Sends Back First Images From Ganymede Flyby - https://sylnt.us - smile
[11:34:15] <Runaway1956> A few more "Lilibet Diana" headlines, and I may barf
[11:37:09] * FatPhil fashions surgical masks into impromptu barf bibs
[11:37:45] <FatPhil> I can only guess "lilibet diana" is a royal baby with a name as inbred as that
[11:38:23] <FatPhil> cheer yourself up with an anagram. how about this one:
[11:38:29] <FatPhil> The mortality of humans = Momentary fault ... oh shit!
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[11:47:18] <Runaway1956> lol momentary fault
[11:58:19] <inz> That is deep
[12:04:09] <Runaway1956> =submit https://thenextweb.com
[12:04:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Next Web" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:05:28] <inz> Is vivladi written by an enthusiastic russian vi user?
[12:05:41] <Runaway1956> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[12:05:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Vivaldi 4.0 Launches With Built-in Email and Calendar Clients, RSS Reader – TechCrunch" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:05:56] <Runaway1956> Better headline than "The Next Web"
[12:06:16] <FatPhil> better spelling than vivladi too
[12:06:37] <Runaway1956> Opera’s outspoken former CEO Jon von Tetzchner as its co-founder and CEO
[12:06:40] <inz> Copywriters are overrated
[12:06:54] <inz> (as are internet standards)
[12:07:17] <Runaway1956> We've upped our standards, now up yours!
[12:07:20] <FatPhil> nope - good copywriters should be paid more than shitty copywriters.
[12:07:52] <FatPhil> but I say that because we do some copywriting
[12:08:09] * Runaway1956 doesn't believe in copywrites - or copyrights
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[12:10:37] <Runaway1956> https://sputniknews.com
[12:10:39] <systemd> ^ 03Macron Reportedly Hopes to Ditch English as EU ‘Working Language’ in ‘French-First’ Takeover
[12:10:56] <Runaway1956> Those froglipped mofos want to usurp the One True Language
[12:12:22] <inz> Klingon?
[12:12:39] <Runaway1956> Texican
[12:16:42] <FatPhil> I propose Latin or Russian
[12:17:22] <Runaway1956> Almost anything is better than French, the language of deviants
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[12:25:18] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[12:25:19] <systemd> ^ 03Tik Tok and dissonance do not mix
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[12:40:21] <Runaway1956> https://www.independent.co.uk
[12:40:23] <systemd> ^ 03Teacher gets job back despite refusal to use students’ preferred pronouns
[12:40:40] <Runaway1956> Nobody really cares what some little dweeb prefers to be called -
[12:58:32] <inz> In finland a football (the football that you play with feet, and the ball is a ball) coach got some harsh backlash for calling a (own) 17-year-old player by the term "whore"
[12:58:35] <inz> kids these days
[12:59:38] <inz> I guess that wouldn't happen' in armpitoval
[13:00:23] <FatPhil> if a coach isn't giving you the hairdryer treatment shouting insults in your ear, you probably won't change whatever wrong thing you're doing. that's part of a coach's job.
[13:00:49] <FatPhil> "that was really good, but it could be even better" just won't cut it.
[13:10:45] <inz> True, sportsballers need to learn to obey, not to think.
[13:10:58] <FatPhil> =submit https://cointelegraph.com
[13:11:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cointelegraph" (24p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:11:13] <FatPhil> if they waste time trying to think, it's wasted effort
[13:15:33] <inz> In soviet russie, the sport plays you
[13:15:54] <inz> Fera
[13:16:42] <inz> Maybe vi-style corrections are too text-like
[13:20:21] <FatPhil> ^[^[:q!
[13:21:22] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:21:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5566
[13:21:48] * Bytram is struggling to wake up
[13:22:22] * Bytram fights a brain fart...
[13:23:16] <inz> You seem to have a lot of foes today
[13:23:54] <Bytram> resume-writing: (past tense) is it: "Lead fundraising efforts" or "Led fundraising efforts"
[13:24:56] <inz> A mnemonic for lead: it's the opposite of read
[13:26:23] * Bytram was strongly leaning towards "lead", because "led" looks too much like "LED"
[13:26:56] <requerdanos> rhyming with said: led, "did lead"; lead, "heavy metal"
[13:27:58] <inz> Some people claim that finnish is the hardest language to learn, but at least you know how to write a word when you hear it
[13:28:24] <inz> Except if you need to hyphenate, then there's one exception
[13:28:29] <Bytram> it is 90F in my apartment and I can barely put thoughts together. Should I use "lead"?
[13:28:39] <requerdanos> I say "Led"
[13:28:48] <inz> Me too
[13:29:00] <Bytram> TY!
[13:29:07] <requerdanos> "lead fundraising efforts" looks like present tense, "led fundraising efforts" past tense
[13:29:46] <Teckla> coffee++
[13:29:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5567
[13:29:49] <Bytram> yeah, but then one starts looking at proper vs improper (?) verbs
[13:29:55] <Bytram> gtg; laundrey
[13:30:03] <requerdanos> airconditioning++
[13:30:03] <Bender> karma - airconditioning: 1
[13:30:11] <Teckla> Some would call me a heathen for enjoying hazelnut flavored coffee.
[13:30:45] <inz> Yes, we would.
[13:30:57] * Teckla chuckles.
[13:31:14] <requerdanos> well, some say coffee has to be bitter and nasty to be authentic. I say drink it however you like it.
[13:31:35] <Teckla> Bytram: I'm not sure if I'm being grammatically correct here, but to me, "lead" implies current tense (i.e., still doing it), and "led" implies past tense (i.e., not doing it anymore). Not sure if that helps.
[13:31:57] <Teckla> That being said, I think lead can be either.
[13:32:16] <Teckla> Bytram: Does your apartment not have air conditioning?
[13:32:21] <Teckla> I'd die without air conditioning.
[13:32:41] <inz> I guess read read read causes some confusion with lead led led
[13:32:43] <requerdanos> https://conjugator.reverso.net
[13:32:45] <systemd> ^ 03Conjugation lead | Conjugate verb lead | Reverso Conjugator English
[13:32:50] <Teckla> requerdanos: I put a pinch of salt in my coffee, which supposedly reduces the bitterness a bit.
[13:33:17] <requerdanos> I don't put anything in my coffee but cream (or sometimes milk), and enjoy it that way.
[13:33:39] * Teckla also uses cream :)
[13:33:54] <Teckla> Not milk or Half & Half. Pure cream. Not half measures!
[13:33:55] <inz> I can't really stomach coffee, but when I nevertheless drink it, it's black like my soul.
[13:33:57] <Teckla> s/Not/No/
[13:33:57] <SedBot> <Teckla> No milk or Half & Half. Pure cream. Not half measures!
[13:34:02] <Teckla> Oops.
[13:34:08] <requerdanos> half and half is fine for me.
[13:34:13] <Teckla> inz: haha
[13:34:25] <inz> double cream?
[13:34:32] <Teckla> What's double cream?
[13:34:51] <Teckla> One thing that's really good in coffee is Bailey's Irish Cream. Highly recommended.
[13:35:11] <requerdanos> I feel bad that I don't like coffee with bailey's, but I find it nasty
[13:35:29] <requerdanos> I support it in principle, but don't like the taste.
[13:35:48] <inz> Real cream is around 35% fat, double cream is around 48%
[13:35:58] <requerdanos> aka heavy cream, maybe
[13:36:22] <requerdanos> at 48% you're getting close to just using butter
[13:36:53] <inz> Probably has more names, here we don't even have such product :(
[13:37:53] <requerdanos> what are the milk/cream choices where you are?
[13:38:04] <Teckla> inz: Oh, interesting.
[13:38:15] * Teckla uses heavy cream.
[13:38:32] <Teckla> requerdanos: Do you not like Bailey's in general, or just specifically dislike it in coffee?
[13:38:55] <requerdanos> I have only tried it in coffee, and since I think coffee is yummy, I guess I just don't like bailey's
[13:39:00] <Bytram> Teckla: no A/C. I *could* put in a window unit, but when it rains it makes so much noise I cannot sleep. It's rare to *ever* exceed 90F here, never mind this early in the season and temps should get back in the 70s tomorrow.
[13:39:42] <Teckla> Bytram: Good to hear it'll get back to more comfortable temperatures for you tomorrow.
[13:39:54] <requerdanos> hope you have at least a fan going :)
[13:40:05] <Teckla> It's been *crazy* hot in Minnesota, we even hit 100 degrees earlier this week, insane for MN in June.
[13:40:08] <FatPhil> Teckla++ baileys - in particular a marzipan variant (of a clone)
[13:40:08] <Bender> karma - teckla: 9
[13:40:10] <Bytram> yes, TWO!
[13:40:36] <requerdanos> The A/C here is set on 72F, and still we sleep with fans going
[13:41:00] <Teckla> MN weather has changed a lot over the last 30 years, far more extremes on both ends (crazy hot in summer, crazy cold in winter).
[13:41:28] <Bytram> =g m-w lead
[13:41:29] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Lead | Definition of Lead by Merriam-Webster
[13:41:33] <Teckla> Anyone else here have trouble with some rooms in the house getting too cold, and some not cold enough?
[13:43:37] <requerdanos> We have separate HVAC systems for downstairs/upstairs, other than that rooms seem to even out pretty well
[13:44:06] <requerdanos> I note that the examples for the very "lead" say "led"
[13:44:11] <requerdanos> s/very/verb
[13:44:12] <SedBot> reqerdynus, did you know there's THREE slashes in a proper s/// command?
[13:44:27] <requerdanos> I did actually know that, but was using s/ informally.
[13:44:51] <inz> requer, we have real cream "as whipping cream", and then several types of half'n'halfs (as food cream, coffee cream etc)
[13:45:40] <Teckla> SedBot++
[13:45:40] <Bender> karma - sedbot: 9
[13:45:40] * SedBot is a 54-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:45:49] <requerdanos> we have skim/0% milk, 1%, 2%, whole milk, half/half, light cream, heavy cream, and "whipping cream" whatever that is
[13:46:19] <Teckla> My wife buys "heavy whipping cream" -- that's what I use in my coffee.
[13:46:47] <requerdanos> I find half and half to be about 99% as yummy, and much less expensive. Your caffeinated mileage may vary.
[13:47:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Senate Passes $250 Billion U.S. Innovation and Competition Act - https://sylnt.us - sausagemaking
[13:48:09] <Teckla> In that case, I should try H&H, I could use a few less calories in my diet. *pats ample belly*
[13:49:11] <requerdanos> Milk for me doesn't taste "creamy" in coffee but half and half is the lightest thing that does taste creamy
[13:57:40] <Bytram> according to ( https://www.merriam-webster.com ) it looks like "led" *is* what I wanted. Thanks everybody!
[13:57:42] <systemd> ^ 03Definition of LEAD
[13:57:57] <Bytram> : to guide on a way especially by going in advance led the officers to his hiding place
[14:04:23] <FatPhil> I've just noticed that friends/foes were also reset in the data loss.
[14:04:54] <FatPhil> The ignominy of having to bury the hatchet and unfoe someone twice...
[14:04:56] <requerdanos> a new start, make new friends, give old foes a new chance?
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[14:06:04] <Bytram> FatPhil: that maqkes sense -- the DB was *restored* -- so any later friend/foe activity would have been lost :(
[14:06:41] <Bytram> phone
[14:07:21] <Bytram> spam--
[14:07:21] <Bender> karma - spam: -5
[14:21:20] <FatPhil> yeah, but do you know how hard burying the hatchet *twice* is!??!? Sheesh, once was hard enough. I'm almost tempted to start a rabid argument so that I can justify being a foe still!
[14:29:40] <raxas> the same "database" contains both administering data _and_ public content (articles, comments)??! that's funny
[14:30:32] <Teckla> raxas: ...is that bad? Honest question; I'm not a DBA or cloud architect, etc.
[14:32:07] <FatPhil> raxas: how is my statement that someone is a foe by setting a flag different from my statement to someone in a post that they're a foe?
[14:32:32] <requerdanos> "administratively so"
[14:32:46] <FatPhil> what's administrative about my opinion?
[14:32:53] <raxas> if it was just me, I'd do two separate databases by purpose. for security reason and for technical stability reason
[14:33:23] <Runaway1956> If it was me, there would be no database because I don't know how to set it up . . .
[14:34:03] <Runaway1956> I'm the guy who drives into the database shop, and the IT guys know they can rob me blind
[14:34:27] <requerdanos> Hey runaway, we needed to change a varchar to a blob, that'll be another $500
[14:34:30] <Runaway1956> "We changed your hard drive oil, aligned you USB bus, etc etc etc"
[14:35:09] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: There's only one thing you need to know about IT...
[14:35:12] <FatPhil> 640GB of porn should be enough for anyone.
[14:38:04] <raxas> I wrote a warehouse management app for a car dealer once. he was a real criminal boss. ca-clipper compiler, dbf files. I know why data should be well separated by purpose
[14:39:02] <raxas> good customer that one, but tough on his own people
[14:39:14] <Runaway1956> How many porpoises should we have in our database?
[14:39:25] <requerdanos> yeah, how many?
[14:39:53] <raxas> two are good enough: users administration and public content
[14:40:13] <Runaway1956> Can we have killer whales instead of porpoises?
[14:40:44] <Runaway1956> ORCA would sound cool, stuck in there somewhere, swirling around at random
[14:41:38] <raxas> perhaps you should start with using a real database, like postgresql. mysql is just a toy
[14:42:28] <raxas> a toy with embeded self-destruction mechanism: poor code
[14:42:41] <FatPhil> Danger, Will Rogers.
[14:42:55] <Runaway1956> You mean like a landmine?
[14:43:25] <raxas> rather a mini-nuke
[14:44:01] * Runaway1956 prefers mini-skirts
[14:44:14] <requerdanos> database elitism, regardless of implementation. red flag/
[14:44:48] <Runaway1956> You can claim to be related, go to a judge for a red flag hearing, have his databases taken away
[14:45:59] <raxas> I can handle ancient dbf files in post-modern awk, call that an elitism. but the problem of collective project like sn is _stable_ technology. mysql is not such
[14:46:19] <raxas> it just collapses now and then, for no apparent reason
[14:46:39] <raxas> that was why "clouds" were invented
[14:46:50] <FatPhil> that's not my problem with mysql/mariadb
[14:47:21] <raxas> do you have a post-mortem analysis what really happened in last incident?
[14:47:27] <FatPhil> my problem is that you are forced to make too many choices between too many things that are all just a bit sub-par.
[14:49:00] <FatPhil> I define the data and how bits of it relate to other bits of it. It is *absolutely not my job* to select the implementation that's best, that's the engine's job.
[14:49:02] <Teckla> raxas: Thanks for the information about separating database concerns.
[14:49:48] <FatPhil> innodb vs. isam vs. wtfdb? GFY.
[14:50:03] <requerdanos> uh, innodb.
[14:50:25] <requerdanos> or the wtfdb would be okay too, now that I think about it
[14:54:57] <raxas> another question is what a hosting is able to provide. mysql and other cheap relatives for unwashed mass consumers only
[14:55:46] <raxas> but you guys have your own full servers. gentoo. you can do better for sure
[14:56:34] <Bytram> LogicalDataModel++
[14:56:34] <Bender> karma - logicaldatamodel: 1
[15:06:58] <raxas> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[15:07:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Bosch Opens $1.2 Billion Chip Plant in Germany – TechCrunch" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:07:28] <Bytram> gtg
[15:07:39] <Bytram> have a great day everybody!
[15:07:49] <requerdanos> peace
[15:08:41] <raxas> aaa dupe, sry
[15:10:09] <raxas> =submit https://www.fastly.com
[15:10:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Summary of June 8 Outage" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:02:24] <FatPhil> We have some camera/photography nerds here don't we? I have a question.
[16:03:40] <FatPhil> If you were taking a photo of something distant, and I asked you to point to the "focal plane", would you point at the thing you were photographing, or would you take your lens off and jab your finger at the sensor?
[16:04:35] <FatPhil> Both seem to be in use. I like one, and I dislike the other (having an alternative term for it).
[16:06:14] <inz> I thought every photography question could be answered with a: "buy a more expensive objective"
[16:06:28] <inz> (or camera, whichever is more costly)
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[17:26:37] <raxas> poor people use just pinholes, as ancients did
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[17:49:02] <kyonko> german gastroenterology
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[18:17:57] <inz> raxas, pinhole camera photos are not very practical though, as you need to go to Australia to view them
[18:24:12] <FatPhil> nope, that's china syndrome cameras, completely different.
[18:27:37] <inz> my bad.
[18:34:11] <kyonko> pinhole cameras form an air lens
[18:34:25] <kyonko> philosophically, its forming a lens with a transparent medium
[18:34:34] <kyonko> water also forms a lens
[18:35:06] <kyonko> some japanese photographers actually do take pinhole photographs on their thousand dollar rigs
[18:35:45] <kyonko> water looks like glass, and ice looks like glass
[18:39:36] <raxas> permitivity. permeability. speed of light. quadratic charge of electron. fine structure constant. it's all misunderstanding of how universe really works
[18:41:29] <inz> I believe the universe works by sheer randomness, we're just pretty lucky in general
[18:41:39] <raxas> made one at age of six or seven, it just worked. used tracing paper for tuning focus and then a planfilm cartridge taken from my grandfather's rolleiflex
[18:43:55] <raxas> the chinese use same character for "primordial chaos" and "dumpling soup", they differ only in radicals. much better understanding of the universe...
[18:54:48] <progo> pass me the primordial soup tub for a second helping
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[19:07:59] <raxas> "threatment" seems very adequate word for the situation. a freudian slip...
[19:45:31] <kyonko> i want to know where the rumors of 32-bit cpu backdoors began
[19:45:50] <kyonko> because the biggest pain in the ass was the mbr and CIH viruses
[19:47:05] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.washingtonpost.com from the viruses-don't-care-about-your-borders dept.
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[19:52:10] <kyonko> the CIH was the virus that attacked the nvrams in mid 2000 pc's
[19:52:43] <kyonko> couldn't you just buy a new nvram?
[19:53:10] <kyonko> the mbr one was icky since it would cream the partition table too
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[19:54:16] <raxas> 16bit viruses came first, everyone able enough to write his own bootsector had at least one own. many were just toys, "water detected in floppy disk drive" then bubbling, splashing and drying sounds over 1bit PC speaker
[19:54:39] <kyonko> ...
[19:56:00] <raxas> ancient hackers had quite a different ethics: never do intentional harm to the machine was a rule
[19:56:14] <kyonko> raxas, you are a wise guy, what would you think of a person who in private situation begins to act like a baby, baby sounds, insert foot in mouth, etc
[19:58:00] <raxas> girls do that in any age. instinct?
[19:58:02] <kyonko> for example, "private end to end encrypted zoom call"
[19:58:09] <kyonko> girls do that in any age?
[19:59:40] <kyonko> ok I know how liberal the czech republic is, so I guess acting like a baby is a human right at any age
[20:02:03] <kyonko> AzumaHazuki is far from a big baby
[20:02:04] <raxas> objectively, it's an expression of inner wish to be cared. girls bearing this as instinct
[20:02:25] <kyonko> cared by a mother? a father? a husband?
[20:02:43] <AzumaHazuki> raxas: tell me you're an incel without telling me you're an incel, LOL
[20:02:49] <kyonko> raxas is 60
[20:03:03] <kyonko> he had a dumb blond secretary who bred rats
[20:03:44] <raxas> one of my girls had "princess syndrome", wanted to be treated as cursed princess waiting for uncurse
[20:04:09] <kyonko> that sounds like two negatives making a positive
[20:04:26] <kyonko> two negatives just form a double negative integer
[20:04:45] <kyonko> I knew this back as a kid, but still some parts of my brain don't work
[20:07:45] <raxas> even trivial tasks as neatly combing their hair or cooking good food makes girls happy. it's about dedication and intent to care
[20:07:49] <kyonko> not really in the mood for this, but you treat the cursed princess like a leper and doing so causes some (sexual) healer to appear and fix her
[20:09:22] <raxas> cursed princess was divorced, she was really broken by her husband
[20:09:35] <kyonko> ok "damaged goods"
[20:09:44] <kyonko> was she beyond safe pregnancy age?
[20:11:01] <raxas> not completely yet, but close to 40. her children went to their father
[20:11:55] <kyonko> magical 40
[20:12:25] <kyonko> safe sex in your 40's
[20:14:12] <raxas> actually, she was official at district tax bureau, merciless beast to local businessmen
[20:14:49] <raxas> that's how life in this universe works
[20:15:01] <kyonko> ok so what about all the people who do "System D"
[20:15:23] <kyonko> my neighbor lives System D and gets welfare
[20:15:59] <kyonko> System D began in earnest after "la cris" and in mexico, it just absorbed more nationals
[20:16:21] <kyonko> the USA also has a lot of people living under System D
[20:17:24] <raxas> you mean this? https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:17:25] <systemd> ^ 03System D - Wikipedia
[20:18:49] <kyonko> yes that
[20:18:58] <kyonko> working for profit and never paying taxes
[20:19:19] <kyonko> usually non-criminal labor.... no drug sales, no murder for hire, no prostitution, etc
[20:19:35] <raxas> this is what we call "grey economy" and it's normal for centuries here
[20:20:23] <raxas> people with skills help to do something for other people, for reward or for free
[20:20:46] <raxas> community survival depends on this in tough times
[20:21:20] <kyonko> sex
[20:21:42] <kyonko> remember that guy from turkey who made a website and it got slashdotted in the late 1990's?
[20:21:46] <kyonko> "i really like sex"
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[20:33:37] <FatPhil> Coal must power ~ a slow computer. (anagram, not mine)
[20:36:34] <kyonko> ac symbol?
[20:46:25] <FatPhil> That would be quite apt
[20:47:39] <kyonko> so you get raw DC power distribution in your area
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[21:44:42] <FatPhil> Dear Fastly, "within 49 minutes, 95% of our network was operating as normal." = "even after 50 minutes, 5% of out network was still not functioning"
[21:45:35] <chromas> what about 49.5 minutes
[21:46:04] <FatPhil> Outage caused by one customer changing their settings. Yay, go cloud!
[21:47:08] <raxas> I wish to know which "customer" that was. we need someone to blame. for history
[21:49:30] <raxas> 12 years ago I predicted too complex software stacks will collapse themselves just by accumulating certain average density of faults. nobody believed me then
[21:49:34] <raxas> https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:49:35] <systemd> ^ 03Appropriate technology - Wikipedia
[21:49:55] <raxas> https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:49:56] <systemd> ^ 03Jean Gimpel - Wikipedia
[21:50:37] <kyonko> raxas, and who are you? a nobody
[21:50:42] <kyonko> raxas, remember danny hillis?
[21:51:15] <kyonko> did we ever find out who "robey pointer" was?
[21:52:05] <raxas> I am nobody and I want to keep at that. just a random house caretaker
[21:53:03] <raxas> I didn't even recieved my own APT number. friends are mocking at me because of that...
[21:53:34] <raxas> I always explain them that's a virtue
[21:57:36] <kyonko> your youth was 1970's?
[21:59:06] <raxas> prefered ABBA. ACDC was too rough on me
[22:00:28] <kyonko> you went roller skating?
[22:04:29] <raxas> no. before computers, I did tethered aircraft models (no RC, hand controlled by mechanical wire) and electronics. fixing vacuum tube radios and tvs
[22:04:53] <requerdanos> I personally went roller skating, ice skating, etc.
[22:07:18] <kyonko> ok
[22:07:38] <kyonko> so you were there when the girls started getting the pig tails with the marble elastic bands
[22:07:39] <requerdanos> probably explains my ignorance in the matter of electronics.
[22:09:49] <kyonko> electronics are damn near impossible to understand
[22:10:24] <kyonko> if anything works at all is by parroting something lacking philosophy and art
[22:11:02] <kyonko> like parroting 'earth is round'
[22:11:27] <requerdanos> earth is approximately an oblate spheroid.
[22:12:33] <progo> it's a CUBE!!!
[22:15:38] <raxas> it is never too late to understand something https://www.arduino.cc
[22:15:39] <systemd> ^ 03Arduino - Home
[22:16:39] <kyonko> you never really do ever get to know how an arduino comes out of planet earth
[22:16:42] <requerdanos> Thanks for the vote of confidence :)
[22:18:16] <kyonko> look at how getting government permission to emit radio waves has turned out
[22:18:32] <kyonko> its the electronic equivalent of gun control
[22:18:43] <kyonko> but do you need permission to generate electric light?
[22:19:22] <requerdanos> Everyone is allowed to carry and emit radio waves. You just can't get caught interfering with anyone with a broadcast license.
[22:19:56] <FatPhil> Hard not to emit radio waves.
[22:19:56] <kyonko> well only "god" knows
[22:20:08] * AzumaHazuki emits in the infrared spectrum
[22:20:24] <kyonko> yeah and then there is cool down to rigor mortis
[22:20:30] <FatPhil> It's a broad spectrum
[22:21:08] <AzumaHazuki> well, yes, everything above 0K has a characteristic blackbody spectrum
[22:21:39] <kyonko> why is butcher meat not in rigor mortis?
[22:21:47] <kyonko> because of the kosher rabbi present?
[22:21:52] <AzumaHazuki> Wien's Law IIRC gives the peak emision as a function of temperature, and Stefan's Law the luminosity as proportional to the fourth power of temperature...which strikes me as really weird
[22:22:11] <kyonko> you..... memorized that?
[22:22:18] <AzumaHazuki> of course
[22:22:26] <kyonko> and you are just a pharmacy tech?
[22:22:33] <kyonko> why aren't you making meds?
[22:22:35] <AzumaHazuki> with a degree in earth science, not that i ever used it
[22:22:35] <requerdanos> Rigor is not a permanent condition.
[22:22:36] <Bytram> doesn't everybody?
[22:23:00] <kyonko> mice are too small to study rigor mortis
[22:23:02] * Bytram comes in too late, again
[22:23:15] <kyonko> you have to upgrade to rabbits
[22:23:27] <kyonko> but supermarket chicken is not in rigor
[22:23:45] <kyonko> nor will the smell of death ever come from it
[22:23:56] <AzumaHazuki> speaking of, i made beef and barley stew :9 i almost never buy red meat so this is a nice treat
[22:24:01] <chromas> you've never smelled expired chicken?
[22:24:07] <kyonko> it smells like trash
[22:24:25] <kyonko> lol @ expired chicken, it depends on what your definition of "is" is
[22:24:42] <AzumaHazuki> pressure cooking is basically autoclaving your food, sooooo...
[22:24:48] <kyonko> AzumaHazuki, you never contemplated being Vegan?
[22:25:00] <AzumaHazuki> briefly, yes. i don't think i can pull it off
[22:25:08] <kyonko> I don't have an exact tally on how much food or water I need
[22:25:10] <AzumaHazuki> vegetarian maybe
[22:25:40] <AzumaHazuki> is a good thing i love beans (woo woo woo </Brak>)
[22:26:00] <kyonko> beans are good, but in some people, like me, they cause satanic emanation
[22:26:17] <AzumaHazuki> sorry to hear that. they just make me fart
[22:26:26] <kyonko> in latin american culture, the virgin mary smells like roses
[22:26:32] <kyonko> oh yeah you just pass wind
[22:26:59] <AzumaHazuki> right, but not, like, evil spirits. you should get your colon exorcised
[22:27:15] <kyonko> uh huh yeah I know about the colonoscopy, it needs a lot of care
[22:27:26] <kyonko> or you can swallow the cam pill
[22:27:36] <kyonko> which requires less care
[22:27:38] <AzumaHazuki> make sure you pay your exorcist or you'll get re-possessed :v
[22:27:39] <requerdanos> Why would the virgin Mary, a historical figure, have a distinct smell in only one culture?
[22:28:08] <kyonko> requerdanos, beats me man, because it counters the smell of death and odors from the wrong hole that dont lead to conception
[22:28:09] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki++ god one
[22:28:09] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 76
[22:28:37] <kyonko> anal sex has been known since pre history to result in only pleasure and no.... babies
[22:28:46] <Bytram> =yt the exorcist
[22:28:47] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Exorcist 1973 Scary Priest scene part 1 1080p HD (03:41; 237,124 views; 👍1,886 👎87)
[22:28:56] <Bytram> =yt the exorcist theme
[22:28:57] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Exorcist Theme (04:21; 6,535,856 views; 👍40,121 👎1,176)
[22:29:11] <kyonko> AzumaHazuki, but good news, ever since I drank probiotic tea, the odor has changed
[22:29:27] <kyonko> the odor is now acceptable
[22:29:51] <kyonko> the innoculation only requires a few tea bags worth of tea not a daily drink
[22:30:36] <kyonko> i am innoculated and colonized
[22:30:57] <kyonko> i wonder what organism it is that survives boiling water
[22:31:07] <kyonko> a benign spore former
[22:31:23] <kyonko> but I bet it won't survive boiling water for an hour
[22:32:09] <requerdanos> at least you know that "probiotic tea" is based on a false premise
[22:32:44] <kyonko> there are enzymes and probiotics for septic tanks too
[22:32:53] <requerdanos> not boiling ones.
[22:33:13] <AzumaHazuki> i should look into probiotics too, maybe order some kefir grains and make my own
[22:33:16] <kyonko> if it was bad shit, i'd be dead
[22:33:33] <kyonko> either biological, or just lost fentanyl analogs
[22:34:04] <kyonko> i used to wear indonesian contact lenses you could keep for a week, made in indonesia, same place and company that makes botox
[22:34:23] <kyonko> i really found that striking
[22:34:27] <AzumaHazuki> your train of thought appears to be derailing several times a minute
[22:34:41] * kyonko makes baby sounds and inserts foot in mouth
[22:36:46] <kyonko> interesting how somebody looked up to me while you just criticize AzumaHazuki
[22:36:56] <kyonko> but thats like a real esoteric fairy tale
[22:37:29] <kyonko> I do wonder what if you could just inject into the private conversation and start talking about your understanding of the bible
[22:38:48] <AzumaHazuki> i could. i spent long enough studying it
[22:40:33] <chromas> wasn't the exorcist theme just the first couple minutes of tubular bells?
[22:41:40] <Bytram> yes
[22:41:42] <kyonko> is abraham your father, AzumaHazuki ?
[22:42:04] <kyonko> stupid question, your father is your father, and he gave you the x half
[22:42:26] <Bytram> =yt tubular bells
[22:42:27] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells Full Album (48:49; 1,540,117 views; 👍16,569 👎631)
[22:42:29] <kyonko> what if female ovums had serial numbers?
[22:42:29] <AzumaHazuki> one of the X halves
[22:43:42] <kyonko> who was the first ovum lost to menstruation going to develop into?
[22:44:16] <AzumaHazuki> that's a counterfactual that might not have an answer
[22:44:34] <kyonko> who was the last ovum lost to menstruation going to develop into? (in a young surrogate)
[22:44:48] <chromas> ovums
[22:44:52] <kyonko> and your young surrogate is your legally adopted child
[22:44:57] <chromas> is that like datums?
[22:45:08] <kyonko> no sexual pleasure is involved in this reproduction
[22:45:10] <kyonko> its kosher
[22:45:19] <kyonko> date, datum
[22:45:34] <Bytram> commander?
[22:45:36] <kyonko> the datum line of the 7.62x51 cartridge
[23:10:16] <kyonko> https://www.old-computers.com
[23:10:18] <systemd> ^ 03OLD-COMPUTERS.COM : The Museum
[23:10:28] <kyonko> rca plugs for the ibm pc in cga in the 1980's? ABSURD
[23:10:50] <kyonko> a kid would think there is no difference between a computer and a tv
[23:17:02] <mechanicjay> Funfact about the Composite video out from those CGA cards -- Those took advantage of NTSC artifacting for a more nuanced color pallette than you get over RGB.
[23:17:03] <kyonko> http://www.trs-80.org
[23:17:04] <systemd> ^ 03Was the TRS-80 affectionately known as the Trash-80?
[23:17:14] <mechanicjay> Shit for text, better for games... go figure
[23:17:20] <kyonko> ...
[23:17:48] <kyonko> now I got to see stranger things... but they probably cgi all real life objects :/
[23:18:03] <kyonko> the 1980's.... in cgi
[23:19:41] <kyonko> why isn't the IBM PC 5150 trash-80 bad?
[23:19:50] <kyonko> it's trash-80 bad.
[23:22:59] <Bytram> mechanicjay++ I did not know that! KEWEL!
[23:22:59] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 40
[23:23:38] <kyonko> thats some arcane knowledge
[23:24:15] <kyonko> public access unix in an inner city is more affordable then these PC's
[23:24:24] * Bytram bought his first computer (composite output, ofc) in ~1979. Hey, it had all of 4K of static RAM!
[23:24:25] <kyonko> if that ever was a thing
[23:24:36] <Bytram> =g OSI C4P
[23:24:37] <systemd> http://www.6502.org - The Ohio Scientific C4P Page
[23:24:42] <kyonko> so pretty much those PC's ran OOM all the time?
[23:24:46] <kyonko> best to use it all
[23:27:26] <kyonko> and did you call a mainframe on acoustic coupler? you called work?
[23:27:43] <kyonko> surely some kid played data audio casettes on their stereo
[23:30:51] <Bytram> No that was years earlier... called a PDP/8 over an acoustical couple (110 BAUD) and a Teletype
[23:31:23] <mechanicjay> nice. I picked up a teletype off the side of the road in the fall.
[23:31:51] <mechanicjay> Gave it to my friend who has a better capacity to fix it up -- and also the proper machine to pair it with :)
[23:32:20] <mechanicjay> Bytram: http://archives.smbfc.net
[23:34:24] <Bytram> clicky
[23:35:30] <mechanicjay> if you go up a directory level, you can click a few others for some detail shots -- I coiuldn't be arsed to link the auto-gallery script to that dir
[23:35:40] <Bytram> np
[23:36:02] <Bytram> I see the paper tape reader and punch on the LHS
[23:36:40] <Bytram> built-in keypad for dialing out?
[23:38:10] <mechanicjay> Yeah, so that unit, *looks* like it was a Western Union telegram machine. It has the dial pad and underneath the "data set" or the modem if you will. All all in one machine, to dial another office's machine and chunk out a message!
[23:40:38] <Bytram> are ALL of those pics of that teletype, including: http://archives.smbfc.net
[23:41:03] <Bytram> look at all those relays and huge capacitors!
[23:41:33] <mechanicjay> Yep, that's the Data set -- 110 BAUD!
[23:43:15] <Bytram> I distinctly recall it was *heavy* for such a relatively small device... now I know why!
[23:52:43] <mechanicjay> I really like the old stuff, when computing was a full sensory experience. I don't really have the room for the bigger older stuff. So I stick to late 70's / Early 80's micro-computers for the most part -- which is still an engangin sensory experience.
[23:53:12] <Bytram> DotMatrix++
[23:53:12] <Bender> karma - dotmatrix: 1
[23:53:36] <Bytram> =w okidata microline 80
[23:53:37] <systemd> deposited banknotes to be immediately used for withdrawal. Printers Microline 80, 82/83, 84, 92/93 180, 182/183, 190, 192/193 280, 292/293, 294 320 FB - https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:53:52] <Bytram> =g okidata microline 80
[23:53:53] <systemd> https://www.oki.com - The story of the Microline [319KB]
[23:54:15] * Bytram wanders off to prepare some dinner
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