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[01:56:21] <chromas> https://github.com
[01:56:22] <systemd> ^ 03GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom
[02:46:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global Cactus Traffickers are Cleaning Out the Deserts - https://sylnt.us - pointed-discussion-of-just-desserts
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[03:56:39] <c0lo> =submit https://www.pewtrusts.org
[03:56:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03California Lacks Federal Firefighters as Dangerous Season Looms" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:58:13] <c0lo> =submit how-to-burn-down-wealth https://anderson-review.ucla.edu
[03:58:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Is the $1 Trillion Coastal Housing Market a Future Financial Crisis? - UCLA Anderson Review" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:00:34] <c0lo> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[04:00:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Tampons, Sanitary Napkins Could Diagnose Yeast Infections With Color-changing Threads" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:02:13] <c0lo> =submit teach-them-young https://edition.cnn.com
[04:02:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Two Men Arrested After 3-year-old Boy Finds Gun in Couch, Shoots 2-year-old Sister" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:07:38] <AzumaHazuki> if only there were a good toddler with a gun...
[04:09:07] <c0lo> =submit cancelling-unhinged-and-embarrassing-racists https://abcnews.go.com
[04:09:09] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03CNN Cuts Ties With Rick Santorum Over Disparaging Comments" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:09:40] <c0lo> !grab AzumaHazuki
[04:09:52] <c0lo> #grab AzumaHazuki
[04:10:02] <c0lo> =grab AzumaHazuki
[04:10:02] * systemd proverbially liberates an amulet of generic insults from AzumaHazuki
[04:10:33] <AzumaHazuki> hey now, my insults are artisan-crafted anf finely-tailored to the individual who's going to receive them
[04:11:02] <AzumaHazuki> as opposed to, for example, fakefuck39 who calls everyone faggot, clown, or faggotclown
[04:12:50] <AzumaHazuki> ...i tell you there's no respect for the small-batch personalized approach these days
[04:13:16] <c0lo> Not or mass markets, no.
[04:13:45] <c0lo> Just for connoisseurs
[04:17:09] <c0lo> =submit shouldav-bought-bitcoin-oh-wait https://edition.cnn.com
[04:17:13] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Rural Ambulance Crews are Running Out of Money and Volunteers. in Some Places, the Fallout Could be " (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:23:22] <c0lo> =submit https://columbianewsservice.com
[04:23:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03One Man’s Fight for the Right to Repair Broken MacBooks - Columbia News Service" (31p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:27:45] <c0lo> https://www.forbes.com
[04:27:46] <systemd> ^ 03Facebook Still ‘Secretly’ Tracks Your iPhone ( https://www.forbes.com )
[04:28:17] <c0lo> =submit fb-gets-around-location-ban https://www.forbes.com
[04:28:19] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Facebook Still ‘Secretly’ Tracks Your iPhone" (30p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:29:58] <c0lo> =submit https://mashable.com
[04:30:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ford, Not Tesla, is Making the Electric Truck That Will Change the EV Industry" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:31:40] <inz> FatPhil, what chromas said
[04:33:19] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[04:36:38] <inz> FatPhil, but that's just for browsing, for cloning you'll need to use a git, http or ssh
[04:44:01] <c0lo> =submit alabamians-are-allowed-to-strech-now https://www.bbc.com
[04:44:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Alabama Overturns Decades-old Ban on Yoga in Schools" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:46:23] <c0lo> Teee-heee https://www.npr.org
[04:46:25] <systemd> ^ 03Death Row Inmates Sue After They're Asked To Pick Firing Squad Or Electric Chair
[04:51:07] <c0lo> =submit https://www.ladepeche.fr
[04:51:12] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Un « Pass Culture » À 300 Euros Partout En France dès Ce Vendredi : Comment Les Jeunes Peuvent-i" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:00:42] <raxas> there is concept of insult bot, as a social experiment in fallout 76 https://fallout.fandom.com https://fallout.fandom.com!
[05:00:43] <systemd> ^ 03Insult Bot | Fallout Wiki | Fandom
[05:00:44] <systemd> ^ 03You have been insulted! | Fallout Wiki | Fandom
[05:02:13] <raxas> I discussed it once privately, and we concluded such a single indirection can prevent escalation of flamewars in chat
[05:02:14] <c0lo> =submit https://www.al-monitor.com
[05:02:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Saudi Arabia Plans to Plant 10 Billion Trees in the Desert" (23p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[05:28:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Coherent Storage of Light Over One-Hour Achieved - https://sylnt.us
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[06:40:54] <FatPhil> chromas: Secure Connection Failed
[06:40:54] <FatPhil> An error occurred during a connection to codemadness.org.
[06:40:56] <FatPhil> SSL received a missing_extension alert.
[06:41:58] <chromas> firefux says TLS_AES_256GCM_SHA384 TLS 1.3
[06:54:26] <inz> FatPhil, gopher://git.codemadness.org :D
[06:55:25] <inz> the https site does work for me
[07:03:43] <FatPhil> $ w3m -dump gopher://git.codemadness.org
[07:03:43] <FatPhil> Index of gopher://git.codemadness.org
[07:03:43] <FatPhil> [unsupported]Happy helping ☃ here: Sorry, your selector does not start with /
[07:03:44] <FatPhil> or contains '..'. That's illegal here.
[07:04:21] <chromas> paddy wagon in transit
[07:04:22] <FatPhil> I think that's my biggest issue with gopher - the protocol is actually ambiguously defined.
[07:04:50] <inz> True, and geomyidae is quite opinionated
[07:05:10] <chromas> let's make gopher anew...with http and xml
[07:05:23] <FatPhil> and of course "ambiguously defined" effectively means "not a fucking protocol, you had one job ..."
[07:06:33] <inz> FatPhil, if you want to see stagit-gopher in action, my own gopherd does work with w3m too: gopher://inz.fi
[07:07:01] <inz> lynx does work with geomyidae
[07:11:04] <inz> I do think that w3m is the one broken here though, RFC1738 and RFC4266 both say <gophertype><selector>, where <gophertype> is a single-character field
[07:11:14] <inz> i.e. the slash-after-type should be part of the selector
[07:12:29] <inz> Also, my w3m does work :)
[07:13:58] <inz> (on my laptop, on my server w3m is utterly broken, sending the <gophertype> as part of the <selector>, which is utterly wrong
[07:14:02] <inz> )
[07:26:25] <raxas> gopher needs to be redesigned... with clean unicode, ipv6, udp relaying, and not-a-stupid-trust-hierarchy encryption model
[07:29:04] <FatPhil> $ w3m -dump gopher://inz.fi
[07:29:04] <FatPhil> Index of gopher://inz.fi
[07:29:04] <FatPhil> [unsupported]Resource not found
[07:30:20] <FatPhil> w3m did have a bug in its gopher implementation that I fixed locally, but then the mainline changed, overlapping my changes, and I was unable to forward port my original changes onto the new codebase without basically just doing it from scratch
[07:30:58] <FatPhil> well, when I say 'bug', I mean "different interpretation of the standard".
[07:33:13] <FatPhil> Probably this clause: Note that some Gopher <selector> strings begin with a copy of the
[07:33:16] <FatPhil> <gophertype> character, in which case that character will occur twice
[07:33:18] <FatPhil> consecutively.
[07:33:40] <FatPhil> Great way to write a standard. Well done, guys.
[07:38:41] <FatPhil> Oooh, CGI support - now we're talking...
[07:39:39] <FatPhil> Wanna join me writing gophacebook and become multi-billionaires?
[07:41:25] <FatPhil> i already wrote some of my CGI scripts to e queriable over IRC, because the important job is answering the question, where the question comes from should be irrelevant, and formatting the answer is purely cosmetic.
[07:48:03] <chromas> Need a CGI-script irc bot
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[07:53:16] <FatPhil> just make the jobs you want to do standalone scripts that act as agents. then your cgi handler on the webserver just needs so (usually synchronously) invoke that agent.
[07:53:58] <FatPhil> if the overhead of a fork/exec is too much, get a better OS.
[07:54:52] <FatPhil> Yes, this means my "CGI scripts" I often interact with simply over the command line, no need for a browser to get in the way.
[07:56:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Glow of Fireflies is Helping Scientists Find Treatments for Cancer - https://sylnt.us
[08:00:31] <chromas> some of my bot's functionality is just cgi scripts
[08:00:37] <chromas> complexity++
[08:00:37] <Bender> karma - complexity: 6
[08:00:56] <chromas> =g'day cig
[08:00:56] * systemd basically internalizes an ace archive of chocolate rain in cig
[08:02:11] <chromas> using curl to hit up a php script to get a row from the database is tight
[08:08:13] <raxas> weechat irc client supports pipes, in addition to mods&scripting. it is possible to augment a transparent bot to it
[08:08:45] <FatPhil> the script that updates my window manager's status bar basically processes the output of a wget of a file that was created by another script that scrapes the outside world.
[08:09:53] <FatPhil> if one scrape's good, 2 scrapes are better.
[08:11:20] <FatPhil> the nice thing is that now I have a buttfuck-simple text file where the output of the scraping goes, it's trivial to get an irc bot to msg me when something interesting happens, etc.
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[08:56:00] <inz> FatPhil, yeah, I though mine did support w3m, but it is so beyond borked, that it would require special guesswork handling on server side
[08:56:12] <inz> Debian seems to have a fixed one
[08:56:37] <inz> https://salsa.debian.org upstream is probably dead
[08:56:38] <systemd> ^ 03Debian / w3m
[08:57:46] <chromas> FatPhil: we're all waiting for your script to be put into a fuse driver
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[09:13:45] <FatPhil> inz: I'm running devuan, which is the debian one, but I'm oldstable, as new software suuuuuucks.
[09:14:33] <FatPhil> the reason I patched w3m locally, was because I believed the upstream to be dead. Then they moved the carpet under my feet. bastards.
[09:15:14] <Runaway1956> balderdash
[09:16:08] <FatPhil> boulderdash didn't suck, but that's because it was from 1984
[09:16:16] <Runaway1956> lol
[09:17:53] <Runaway1956> If old software is so good, why didn't they make the CUDA libraries in 1960?
[09:18:19] <Runaway1956> not to be confused with Cooter, the class creep who felt up all the girls
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[09:25:48] <inz> FatPhil, yeah most of the fixes seem to be reasonably new; my server is running debian stable, and has a b0rked one
[09:26:04] <inz> lynx should work though :)
[09:28:04] <FatPhil> lynx works on more gopher sites than either w3m or gopher itself.
[09:28:48] <FatPhil> Ah, now I remember why I was looking into this - I wrote a gopher server for IRPG.
[09:28:57] <FatPhil> that was years back now
[09:30:33] <kyonko`> who is routing your gopher packets?
[09:31:14] <inz> The gophers carry them around in underground tunnels
[09:36:37] <FatPhil> I use the webocloud
[09:36:56] <FatPhil> I use a whole blockcoin of webocloud
[09:48:28] <FatPhil> I asked a german sysadmin about my setup, and he said "nein, nein, nein, nein, nein!". So I can claim five-neins too.
[09:48:28] <inz> So... dead gophers carry them around in the heavens?
[09:55:44] <FatPhil> dead ones have less mass, so travel closer to the speed of light.
[10:27:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Washington State Removes All Barriers to Municipal Broadband - https://sylnt.us
[10:31:14] <raxas> you guys broke everything
[10:56:08] <kyonko`> I had a VPS in germany, I know peter was watching
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[12:44:59] <Grd> you broke DRM? awesome! Keep it up!
[12:55:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Incredible Microscope Sees Atoms at Record Resolution - https://sylnt.us - clearly,-it-is-coming-clear
[12:57:57] <Grd> Record? Are we talking 33 RMP, 45, or 78?
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[13:28:40] <FatPhil> wowsers the SSH dictionary attackers are busy this week. fail2ban has banned about 200 IP addresses just today.
[13:29:24] <FatPhil> I normally average about 30-50 being banned at any one time.
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[14:16:44] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[14:16:45] <systemd> ^ 03xkcd's "Map Projections", animated
[14:21:57] <kyonko`> are they doing a dictionary attack letter by letter
[14:22:11] <kyonko`> thats really something you would only try in a computer lab at home
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[14:32:08] <FatPhil> I don't know what passwords they're probing with, but the usernames seem like "common" ones, but ones that don't exist on my system.
[14:33:41] <FatPhil> There was a strategy switcheroo about 5 years ago - rather than taking highly-likely-to-exist usernames, and then doing dictionary attacks on the password, smart malware decided on using highly-likely-to-be-passwords, and then dictionary attacking possible account names.
[14:34:30] <kyonko`> uh huh
[14:34:44] <kyonko`> in 2009 someone guessed my weak "human" password in gmail
[14:34:54] <kyonko`> the account was only a few months old
[14:35:07] <kyonko`> gmail said the logins came from iraq, sure they did
[14:36:52] <kyonko`> didn't scare me away from using "non human" password schemes, and later on I just gave them my mobile phone number (circa 2011)
[14:37:52] <kyonko`> everyone webmail has my mobile phone except my ISP web mail
[14:38:52] <kyonko`> sometimes I forget my user passwords on unix systems at home, but its ok if I remember root
[14:39:56] <kyonko`> and how will you ever be root if you can't boot?
[14:41:48] <kyonko`> if someone ever tries to hammer me, they are actually hammering my ISP, which they actually did do back in 2014
[14:42:52] <kyonko`> my telco/ISP never detected when the POTS loop to my home corroded away
[14:43:08] <kyonko`> "omnipotence"
[14:52:32] <FatPhil> omnipotence = cement in poo
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[16:14:42] <Sulla> Looks like i'm going to be working from home forever as my office space was just given to someone else so i'll be working from home forever. I'm gonna convert my shed into a home office. computers, cnc, drop down cieling air and vacuum.
[16:14:56] <Sulla> What are things you wish you had considered when you set aside your work/craft area?
[16:23:39] <mechanicjay> Heh, wish I'd bought a big enough house to have one...
[16:26:46] <FatPhil> bigger fridge for beer
[16:27:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mars Curiosity Rover Detects Potential Organic Salts - https://sylnt.us
[16:35:46] <raxas> I have a 19' rack in kitchen lol. it's much bigger than a fridge. working from home since 92. concerning cnc, drill mill is in bedroom, next to sewing machine and soldering station
[16:38:21] <Sulla> House was not big enough for the space. Best friends younger brother bought a house and said I can use his garage for storage and for doing car repairs, meaning I can reappropriate my shed
[16:39:30] <Sulla> do need to get a drill press though, thats a good idea
[16:39:38] <Sulla> will do a soldering station
[16:40:04] <Sulla> alcohol storage is also good
[16:40:05] <raxas> you will need lot of UPSes if you want lot of computers, start with these
[16:40:53] <Sulla> k
[16:40:57] <Sulla> have way too many damn computers
[16:41:16] <Sulla> friend and I gonna set up an apple 2e and a commodore 64 for my kids first computers
[16:41:28] <Sulla> they gotta suffer
[16:47:31] <FatPhil> this are bestest computer: https://cdn.jwz.org
[16:49:27] <Sulla> What, too much work to get region language specifc keys
[16:53:43] <raxas> that's a nightmare to clean this
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[17:05:17] <FatPhil> https://twitter.com
[17:05:18] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[17:52:46] <FatPhil> =submit https://electrek.co
[17:52:49] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Tesla is Found Guilty of Throttling Charging Speed, Asked to Pay $16,000 to Thousands of Owners - El" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:06:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Huawei Launching HarmonyOS, Developing RISC-V Board, Hoping to Build "3nm" SoC - https://sylnt.us
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[22:31:49] <SoyCow6278_> Hola
[22:31:51] <SoyCow6278_> N
[22:32:09] <SoyCow6278_> What is this website?
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[22:39:40] <FatPhil> not a website?
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[23:17:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Zombie-Fire Outbreak may be Growing in the North - https://sylnt.us - smokey-the-bear
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[23:23:32] <Sulla> How did two SoyCow6278_ sign in at the same time?
[23:26:07] <FatPhil> one had a dangly _, the other didn't
[23:26:15] <Sulla> ah didn't see that
[23:28:05] <Sulla> i need food ideas
[23:30:14] <Sulla> ill just order nachos
[23:30:56] <Sulla> You bastards. How am I outside of delivery range when I'm three miles away
[23:32:17] <chromas> They're encouraging you to create your own nachos
[23:32:26] <chromas> with blackjack and hookers
[23:32:35] <chromas> ...that's not sour cream
[23:32:53] <requerdanos> "We deliver with (random third party service)" is sometimes a clever way of saying "We do not deliver."
[23:34:10] <Sulla> Sadly the best i can do with hookers and blackjack would be something combining a can of olives, bread cut and baked to appear to be chip-like, expired salsa, possibly expired sour cream, and maybe a handful of cheese
[23:34:43] <chromas> Time to go shyopping!
[23:34:54] <FatPhil> cheese that comes in handfulls is worrying
[23:35:30] <Sulla> I shreaded the last block of cheese I had to make cheese sauce for some pasta the other day as requested by my kids
[23:35:35] <Sulla> didn't use all the cheese
[23:36:34] <FatPhil> shredding is permitted, and leftovers are often useful
[23:37:04] <Sulla> Guess ill have to put in an amazon whole foods order
[23:37:07] <Runaway1956> Come on, Sulla - sour cream doesn't "expire". It's already soured, intentionally.
[23:37:14] <FatPhil> in grate britain we would great the cheese, of course, not shred it.
[23:37:21] <AzumaHazuki> how bourgeois
[23:37:32] <AzumaHazuki> what's wrong with walking to the store and getting groceries?
[23:37:37] <FatPhil> battle of the microbes..
[23:37:54] <Sulla> Haven't been to anything but the hardware store since december 2019
[23:38:11] <Runaway1956> are you Sirius?
[23:38:43] <Sulla> So I removed any other variable luxuries from the budget to afford insane whole food prices
[23:39:04] <Sulla> mom and wife still go do their costco runs
[23:39:18] <Runaway1956> If I paid those food prices, I couldn't afford toilet paper to wipe my ass with.
[23:39:22] <AzumaHazuki> if you know the right places you can get good deals on stuff like dry pulses, oatmeal etc
[23:39:28] <Sulla> yeah
[23:39:48] <Sulla> Ive been pretty much eating rice, beans, and oatmeal this whole time
[23:39:59] <Sulla> bought a couple of years worth in 2019
[23:40:06] <AzumaHazuki> are you gassier than a russian oilfield?
[23:40:27] <Sulla> Beans have never really affected me in that way
[23:41:05] <AzumaHazuki> they did to me for a while but some tolerance, some, is building up
[23:42:03] <Sulla> I'll just throw a bunch of stuff in the instant pot and call it food
[23:42:18] <AzumaHazuki> same here :) that's what they're for
[23:42:28] <requerdanos> since you have a handful of cheese, you might even call it gourmet nachos
[23:42:35] * Runaway1956 sweeps the floor and dumps it into the instant thing
[23:42:54] <Sulla> as long as it gets to the temp to kill germs, anything is edible. RIght?
[23:43:09] <Sulla> And even if not it "just builds character"
[23:43:26] <FatPhil> would need to be swiss cheese to be properly "gourmet"
[23:43:41] <Runaway1956> Somebody's grandmother said you've got to eat a pound of dirt before you die
[23:43:49] <FatPhil> mine
[23:43:51] <Sulla> Can I press the leftover cheese into a block, drill holes, call it swiss, and grate it again?
[23:44:07] <requerdanos> yes, you can do those things
[23:44:26] <Sulla> Thats about as bender hookers and blackjack as you can get
[23:47:04] <FatPhil> can't you 3D print cheese nowadays?
[23:47:18] <FatPhil> come on, boffins!
[23:47:51] <Runaway1956> I think they 3D print diseases, so why not cultures?
[23:48:14] <FatPhil> at a local fair a couple of years ago, someone was 2D printing pancakes.
[23:49:31] <FatPhil> something like 30 nozzles. worked quite well considering the timing issues.
[23:50:15] <chromas> can you 2d print a waffle or does it need the extra d?
[23:50:44] <Sulla> Pancakes are just batter that is being punished in this life by being forced to become a pancake
[23:50:55] <Sulla> Wafles are in every way superior
[23:51:18] <Runaway1956> 2d pancake is spelled c r e p e
[23:51:32] <Sulla> first google result
[23:51:35] <Sulla> instant pot waffles
[23:51:36] <Sulla> https://www.whatscookinchicago.com
[23:51:37] <systemd> ^ 03Instant Pot: Maple Sausage & Waffle Casserole
[23:51:45] <Runaway1956> and good is spelled c o f f e e
[23:51:50] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[23:51:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5561
[23:53:58] <Runaway1956> If I buy two bags of 16-bean soup, would I then have 32-bean soup when I cook them?
[23:54:28] <Sulla> depends if the company has good QC
[23:54:52] <Runaway1956> well I'm not inviting Q to eat my soup