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[01:14:23] <progo> you know all those TV commercials with actors comedically failing to do a household task and then getting a gadget for it? (they make these for disabled people and then market to EVERYONE, to spread out the startup cost.) I wonder if there's one for taking an egg out of the shell
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[01:32:56] <c0lo> FatPhil, distributor's linky and the brand name I'd be looking for, please?
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[04:33:58] <progo> last story post: wow that's some epic self-pwnage
[04:46:28] <AzumaHazuki> that is amazing
[04:46:42] <AzumaHazuki> i'm not even angry. that's actually impressive
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[05:35:51] <Runaway1956> https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com
[05:48:11] <chromas> bacteria: yes it was me. Most people I've seen do a soft tap of the egg, then the full one, but I specifically remember Sally Field doing two equal rapid taps per egg in Steel Magnolias a hundred years ago and finding it weird
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[06:29:50] <FatPhil> c0lo: it's not reached either their webpage or our webpage yet, but I'll let you know when it's public info.
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[08:48:18] <c0lo> FatPhil, thanks.
[08:50:02] <FatPhil> We used to have a distributor a couple of years back but they faded away, and I still see the brewery name listed on a few .au sites, but all the beers are sold out, which is useless.
[08:51:08] <c0lo> Eh, was hoping for novelty, I discover tradition.
[08:53:55] <FatPhil> This stuff is golddust! https://www.beercartel.com.au
[08:53:57] <systemd> ^ 03Pohjala As Good As It Gets Imperial Stout
[08:54:29] <FatPhil> Shelf price here: 10e
[08:55:12] <FatPhil> Not had one for a year, not sure how well its aging in the bottle. Have 5 in my cellar, I think, should crack one open some time soon.
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[09:00:25] <c0lo> Gotta be kiddin'! At that price, I'll probably buy one.
[09:00:40] <c0lo> In like all my life.
[09:02:32] <FatPhil> The wax on the top adds 2e to the shelf price!
[09:03:11] <c0lo> For the price of 4 of those, I can buy a meself a 23y aged rum 'ere.
[09:03:15] <c0lo> =w Ron Zacapa Centenario
[09:03:16] <systemd> Ron Zacapa Centenario is a premium rum produced in Guatemala by Rum Creation and Products, a subsidiary of Industrias Licoreras de Guatemala, and distributed - https://en.wikipedia.org
[09:04:05] <FatPhil> Ugh, but old rum tastes of rubber.
[09:06:17] <kyonko`> I saw you fought with a russian, over proper language
[09:06:24] <FatPhil> at a christmas party a few years back there was a rum and whisky stand, so I decided to try all the whiskies in a particular range that are too expensive for me to buy. I hated them all! Happy with the 5yr ad 7yr ones.
[09:06:42] <kyonko`> I had my go to brand for vodka and soda
[09:13:42] <FatPhil> I didn't even encounter the concept of vodka and soda until I moved to Finland.
[09:14:22] <FatPhil> It just seems to be an alcohol delivery mechanism, not something you'd drink for taste.
[09:14:39] <c0lo> FatPhil, your taste buds are defective. If you don't see anything wrong paying for 20 bottles of beer as for a 50yo scotch, something else is defective in you or you have a hidden agenda.
[09:14:41] <c0lo> https://www.masterofmalt.com
[09:14:43] <systemd> ^ 03Invergordon 50 Year Old (That Boutique-y Whisky Company) ( https://www.masterofmalt.com )
[09:17:11] <FatPhil> And there was only one brand - one brand for the vodka, and one brand for the water - it was just called a portmanteau of the two brands: kossuvissy (and, as slang, variations exist)
[09:18:19] <FatPhil> Ugh, whiskies start going massively downhill once they're way past 20 years.
[09:19:59] <FatPhil> And "That Boutique-y Whisky Company" rubs me up the wrong way. All branding.
[09:22:35] <c0lo> Really? You didn't invest in that brand, did you? https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com
[09:22:38] <systemd> ^ 03View market
[09:22:56] <FatPhil> Don't get me wrong, I do own some Invergordan, and if in a couple of decades they want to buy it off me for an absurd price I'm all ears. But I dropped all the grain whiskies from my portfolio because they're cheap shit, and the storage overheads are too high proportionally.
[09:23:10] <FatPhil> all-but-one
[09:25:39] <FatPhil> I use Invergordan as the canary - any malt whisky that can't keep up with that gets ditched.
[09:31:07] <kyonko`> I live in wine country, we never had a distillery
[09:31:16] <kyonko`> we have microbrew beer garbage tho
[09:37:06] <FatPhil> I can assure you, as a part-owner of a craft brewery, yup, most of the stuff describing itself as "craft" or "micro" is pretty poor. It became fashionalbe a decade back, everyone wanted in, hipster idiots arrived, and shit happened.
[09:37:21] <kyonko`> are you a hipster fat phil?
[09:37:27] <kyonko`> for some reason I can't look like them
[09:37:52] <FatPhil> I'm more hippy than hipster.
[09:38:07] <kyonko`> hipster began in the mid 2000's right?
[09:38:13] <kyonko`> I don't remember any before then
[09:38:33] <kyonko`> usually apple computer users who adopted the iphone its first year in 2007
[09:39:31] <FatPhil> https://www.ratebeer.com Avg Score Given 2.87 Avg Beer Rated 3.14 - so I consistently rate lower than most of the people on the site. I have no time for faddish bullcrap.
[09:39:33] <systemd> ^ 03FatPhil's from Tallinn user profile and beer ratings
[09:45:33] <kyonko`> heh beer
[09:45:40] <kyonko`> I never got to try baltika
[09:45:52] <kyonko`> they say its terrible, in flavor and health effects
[09:46:23] <kyonko`> I got some really really wierd hang overs with some brands
[09:48:17] <FatPhil> baltika 6 baltic porter was beautiful, one of the best I've ever had
[09:48:25] <kyonko`> the baltika was kept next to my go to beer, asahi
[09:48:41] <kyonko`> I drank depending on mood
[09:49:04] <kyonko`> when the shit got really gay in kaliningrad I was drinking a six pack of natural light every day
[09:49:30] <FatPhil> Baltika 4 was a pretty good dark lager too.
[09:49:59] <FatPhil> their pale piss is typical eastern european pale piss
[09:50:03] <kyonko`> I guess the american equivalent of baltika is anything brewed in milwaukee, wisconsin
[09:50:24] <kyonko`> from nice, to scary what the fuck am I drinking will I die
[09:50:43] <FatPhil> they were a big company, huge budget, part investment from Carlsberg.
[09:50:48] <kyonko`> I got nasty hangovers from heinekens, especially drinking 4 without a tolerance
[09:51:08] <kyonko`> Carlsberg is a swedish thing?
[09:51:23] <FatPhil> eventually the bean counters took over and all the good dark shit got cancelled frotm their range
[09:51:29] <FatPhil> danish.
[09:53:22] <kyonko`> the happiest country on earth
[09:53:27] <kyonko`> buyer beware tho
[10:24:09] <FatPhil> I wish the Estonian buyers knew that when they buy traditional Estonian brand "Saku", 96% of the profits magically appear in Carlsberg's coffers in Denmark, and don't benefit Estonia or Estonians at all. The macros dominate the business, and often the locals are too stupid to realise that they're not being loyal to anything worth supporting.
[10:27:38] <Ingar> "Profits of international concerns do not benefit local population. news at 11"
[10:27:52] <Ingar> a lot of vaccines are made in Belgium
[10:28:08] <kyonko`> FatPhil: mexico is worse
[10:28:12] <Ingar> we're paying for them in taxes because poor pharma
[10:28:42] <kyonko`> a lot of stupid common folk confuse vaccines/immunizations with DRUGS and STEROIDS
[10:28:53] <kyonko`> like IV methamphetamine
[10:28:59] <Ingar> FatPhil: it would be interesting to know how much profit Carslberg actually posts in danmark and how much dissapears to the cayman islands
[10:29:14] <Ingar> *Denmark
[10:32:55] <FatPhil> Ingar: Sure, I'm sure there are Panama/Dutch/Cayman/Irish/Elbonian sandwiches being used.
[10:34:56] <kyonko`> Irish coffee
[10:35:31] <FatPhil> Don't mind if I do, thanks for offering.
[10:39:07] <kyonko`> you drink heavey man
[10:39:14] <kyonko`> have you ever been to jail for it?
[10:41:54] <FatPhil> nah, I'm mostly very well behaved.
[10:42:52] <kyonko`> but its a "crime"
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[11:17:28] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[11:17:31] <systemd> ^ 03Music Theory and White Supremacy
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[14:29:15] <Bytram> Was he a card-iologist? https://www.cnn.com
[14:29:17] <systemd> ^ 03A doctor who died from Covid-19 left his family a sports card collection worth $20 million
[14:35:05] <bacteria> COFFEE++
[14:35:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5559
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[16:10:23] * Teckla groans in the general direction of Bytram ;)
[16:10:33] <Teckla> coffee++
[16:10:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5560
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[16:27:38] <progo> anyone else getting 500 doodoo errors from the main soylent news blog?
[16:27:57] <progo> I got a 404 after opening an RSS feed link target, and then every request after that is 500
[16:30:46] <mechanicjay> progo: indeed, I'll go kick a few things in the pants.
[16:30:54] <Ingar> I get 500 on the main page
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[16:32:48] <drussell> ^^ Yeah, progo, it is borked...
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[16:40:49] <SoyCow5185> so... the website is down?
[16:41:35] <mechanicjay> Yes, I'm working on.
[16:41:47] <mechanicjay> *on it.
[16:41:47] <SoyCow5185> at least it's not an external server error
[16:42:04] <Sulla> its just resting
[16:51:49] <bacteria> sulla++
[16:51:49] <Bender> karma - sulla: 21
[16:53:47] <Ingar> the timing is very suspicious
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[16:57:15] <Sulla> This is painful. Friends younger brother borrowed a model-m
[16:57:30] <Sulla> came back filty
[16:57:51] <Sulla> like it fell face down in the mud
[16:57:56] <progo> eew
[16:58:04] <progo> consider that any keyboard is filthy no matter how it looks
[16:58:08] <progo> if it LOOKS filthy…
[16:58:12] <progo> you might have to nuke it from orbit
[16:58:41] <Sulla> just dousing in 91% alcohol should fix it
[16:58:44] <progo> reminds me I should wash my washable primary keyboard that I'm using now
[16:58:55] <Sulla> two keys have coffee stains that refuse to go away
[16:58:56] <progo> also I should buy a desk-sized vaccuum cleaner
[16:59:46] <progo> might take a few days to fully dry out. I'm going away next week. I'll do it then
[17:00:09] <Sulla> wise
[17:00:36] <Ingar> have him clean it
[17:01:08] <Sulla> id rather not risk more damage
[17:01:58] <Ingar> protip though: remove all kecaps and run them through the dishwasher
[17:02:14] <Ingar> worked for my logitech :)
[17:02:19] <Sulla> too late now but that would have been great
[17:04:23] <Ingar> after I watched der3auer put a mainboard in it, I'v been finding new exiting uses for the dishwasher
[17:05:34] <Sulla> interesting
[17:06:26] <Ingar> didn't try actual electronics myself though, my hardware is not sponsored
[17:07:09] <Ingar> but anything plastic shell goes
[17:07:55] <Sulla> most of the stuff ive been workign with recently has been so old id be worried about it
[17:09:44] <Ingar> if the plastic isn't brittle, and you pick the right program, and no detergent (or just a tiny bit)
[17:10:10] <Ingar> I used a short low temp program
[17:10:32] <Sulla> i would like to clean the clamshells off of the old hp keyboards i have, but super brittle
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[17:12:08] <Ingar> that could be tricky :-\
[17:12:27] <Ingar> oth depends on the machine
[17:12:40] <ElizabethGreene> Soylentnews.org is displaying an Apache error page for me.
[17:12:48] <Sulla> its pining for the fjords
[17:12:51] <ElizabethGreene> Anything I can do to help?
[17:13:25] <Ingar> ElizabethGreene: management is aware and working on the situation
[17:13:38] <Sulla> i think mechanicjay is workin on it
[17:13:55] <Ingar> I can hear his wrench
[17:14:11] <ElizabethGreene> ... blame CowboyNeil.
[17:17:13] <Sulla> There keyboard clean, now to test the keys
[17:28:15] <Sulla> All but one key working good, oh well gonna have to live with it
[17:37:07] <FatPhil> uhoh - /me contributes to the microplastics problem
[17:37:51] <FatPhil> I've just discovered that there's basically microscopic glitter particles almost everywhere over the whole flat.
[17:38:31] <FatPhil> bot has apparently been unable to suck them up in its recent rounds - was probably helping spread them around.
[17:39:05] <FatPhil> so, via the mechanism of a good old-fashioned mop, I'm vagazzling the water
[17:40:05] <Sulla> I'm tired of the term "doing the hard work" that management uses for everything
[17:43:30] <Sulla> SN is down, anyone have a good source about some of the ransomware not affecting people with russian/syrillic fonts present on their computers?
[17:51:43] <Sulla> nevermind found it
[17:58:45] <mechanicjay> Hey folks, message from your friendly neighborhood sysadmin. We've hit some db corruption for the site, working on recovering. Might be a while :/
[18:00:03] * Bytram waves at mechanicjay
[18:01:20] * mechanicjay wipes the grease from his forhead and salutes Bytram with a mysql wrench.
[18:01:46] * FatPhil prepares a cool beer for mechanicjay
[18:07:06] <FatPhil> c0lo: thanks for the white supremacy vid - I was familiar with the "academic" spat that he refers to, as it reached mainstream media at the time. Nice to have a really in-depth background to it, interviews, etc.
[18:09:43] Bytram changed topic of #soylent to: SITE IS DOWN - it IS being worked on, but it will be a while. Please keep discussions civil | SN Main Channel | https://soylentnews.org | Some PISG charts: https://stats.sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publicly displayed here https://logs.sylnt.us
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[18:27:27] <Bytram> as for disk space, here's where we're at for /dev/sd* on all our servers
[18:27:31] <Bytram> martyb@boron:~/log$ cat disk_check.20210520_181521.log | grep dev.sd | sort --key=6n
[18:27:31] <Bytram> 20210520_181523: beryllium: /dev/sda 49218368 41743244 6974972 86% /
[18:27:32] <Bytram> 20210520_181523: helium: /dev/sda 56953124 36831484 19541688 66% /
[18:27:34] <Bytram> 20210520_181524: fluorine: /dev/sda 98646156 69611324 24028508 75% /
[18:27:36] <Bytram> 20210520_181524: neon: /dev/sda 98646156 61320964 32318868 66% /
[18:27:38] <Bytram> 20210520_181524: sodium: /dev/sda 48378736 1496156 46374916 4% /
[18:27:40] <Bytram> 20210520_181523: boron: /dev/sda 82116320 25607808 52340948 33% /
[18:27:42] <Bytram> 20210520_181522: hydrogen: /dev/sda 98502268 14951036 82535264 16% /
[18:27:44] <Bytram> martyb@boron:~/log$
[18:28:01] <Bytram> 20210520_181525: magnesium: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[18:28:56] <Bytram> (NVM the last 'magnesium' -- that was just to copy the column headers here)
[18:29:04] <janrinok> understood
[18:30:07] <Bytram> this is well beyond my area of expertise -- I so wish I could do more to help!
[18:32:42] <Bytram> NB: this is *after* mechanicjay already cleared some space up
[18:36:33] <Runaway1956> The Vogons warned us that there was a nano-highway going through the server room
[18:36:42] <AzumaHazuki> it doesn't look like a disk space issue at any rate
[18:36:50] <AzumaHazuki> the servers all use ECC RAM right?
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[18:38:59] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, the problem was that one disk became full - as Bytram noted the figures above reflect the available space after mechanicjay had cleaned up about 1 hour ago.
[18:39:46] <AzumaHazuki> Ahh
[18:39:47] <janrinok> with no further space available the db corrupted and hence the problem that we now see.
[18:40:15] <AzumaHazuki> i'm a little surprised a full disk would corrupt the db though. you'd think it would just start dropping stuff on the floor or something
[18:41:48] <janrinok> don't know enough about it to make an intelligent comment. But I do think that we dropped the ball somewhere by not having somebody watching for such problems, and taking the appropriate action to remedy the situation before it becomes critical
[18:42:35] <AzumaHazuki> you'd think there'd be, like, a daemon or something watching disk space that would fire off an email when it hit say 95%
[18:42:47] <Sulla> https://imgflip.com
[18:42:55] <progo> only if it was configured by a sysadmin
[18:43:45] <janrinok> there is, but there has to be somebody to receive the warnings given by such daemons. It might have been one of the undocumented things that TMB did everyday but has been overlooked since he left. This is purely speculation though....
[18:45:03] <Bytram> that WOULD be nice, but I'm still trying to figure out all the stuff that we have, the server(s) they live on, what version(s) they are, and the like. What I pasted above is an extract from one of the scripts I conjured up to look across all our servers -- in this case looking at disk space.
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[18:47:36] * Bytram thinks out loud... since they are independent systems, just logging stuff to a, say, sysadmin channel on IRC.. and that we could follow along might be useful.
[18:49:34] <janrinok> as long as there is at least 1 person who is responsible for taking action, and who knows what action to take, then that might be a good idea. Just creating another channel and having nobody responsible for actually reading it might still have problems.
[18:52:15] <Bytram> good point. OTOH, debugging is a lot easier when there are some historical "printf"s to refer to.
[18:53:32] <Subsentient> janrinok: This is why btrfs with daily CoW snapshots can be helpful. Of course, then you have to worry about btrfs eating the tape itself.
[18:53:51] <janrinok> so it is a useful recovery tool, but on its own does not solve the current problem. We cannot go on relying with 1 man teams, be it sysadmin, editorial, QA or whatever.
[18:53:56] <Bytram> Besides, though I make not know exacty what everything means, I do have a knack for recognizing patterns and when things fall outside historical norms, whereupon I could raise a flag and ask for help before things blow up!
[18:54:12] <Bytram> agreed
[18:54:29] <Subsentient> What database are you guys using? MySQL/MariaDB?
[18:54:46] <janrinok> you are talking yourself into accepting another responsibility so that we end up with 3 teams relying on the same person. Not a good long-term strategy IMHO.
[18:55:16] * Subsentient solves all his problems with SQLite, but that lacks concurrent access
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[18:56:17] <janrinok> MySQL it think - but don't spend money based on what I say. This is not an area that I know much about.
[18:56:47] <Bytram> as I've been able, I've tried to learn up on our systems, but I struggled to understand things when TMB explained them. Seemed like I had to draw details from him
[18:56:50] <janrinok> I think*
[18:56:54] <Bytram> mysql, yes
[18:57:06] <Bytram> see above =)
[18:57:41] <AzumaHazuki> did anyone figure out what was taking up so much space? stale logs for example?
[18:58:24] <Subsentient> I'm just surprised MySQL was stupid enough to corrupt the DB on a full disk.
[18:58:26] <janrinok> I don't think that we have done much analysis yet - we are still trying to get the site up again. I'm sure people are taking notes as they go along.
[18:58:37] <Bytram> not sure; likely. But atm I believe the focus is on getting things running again -- save the post mortem for later
[19:00:16] <Bytram> Subsentient: it's (as I understand it) because we are using clusters which introduces all kinds of edge cases and from what I've heard is a niche case and not as well supported as base MySQL
[19:01:07] <Bytram> way past time for breakfast -- back in a few minutes
[19:01:26] <janrinok> .... breakfast? I'll be off to bed soon!
[19:01:42] <Subsentient> ... bed? I'll be off to lunch soon!
[19:02:10] <janrinok> if you promise to have a beer for me, I'll have a quick kip for you...
[19:06:06] <AzumaHazuki> clustering, no wonder...nuuu, pizdec
[19:06:40] <AzumaHazuki> in that case, it's possible that last write wasn't as atomic as it should have been and lead to the database being inconsistent across nodes
[19:12:52] <janrinok> I think that mechanicjay is coming to a similar conclusion...
[19:16:42] <mechanicjay> Well, we're about to see how well our shit was actually partitioned across nodes....
[19:17:16] <mechanicjay> "just remove the frm and ndb files, they'll repopulate!" good thing I took a backup!
[19:17:50] <mechanicjay> this does beg the question though that will a restore of helium actually work, depending on how the other nodes are behaving.
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[19:18:24] <AzumaHazuki> more importantly, will it start talking squeaky?
[19:19:07] <raxas> hi there. we meet again. what's wrong with website?
[19:19:38] <AzumaHazuki> database did small pizdec
[19:20:36] <mechanicjay> s/small/large
[19:20:36] * SedBot hurls a / at michynucjoy!
[19:21:29] <raxas> that word explains the situation perfectly
[19:23:57] <FatPhil> In database tech, there's a fine line between sharding and sharting.
[19:25:27] <Bytram> in F&SF realms there are also shades (ghosts) to deal with. seems somehow apropos here, too.
[19:26:49] <janrinok> gtg tomorrow!
[19:27:56] * FatPhil watches https://www.bbc.co.uk - a nice little historical rundown of painkillers' varied histories.
[19:31:08] <Bytram> janrinok: laters! Good to see you and thanks for pushing out a story earlier, too!
[19:32:44] <Bytram> does anyone here have a timestamp for when things went sideways? I'm estimating some time after 1500 UTC
[19:34:52] <raxas> at 15:57 UTC it was 500 dead already
[19:39:56] <Bytram> raxas: thanks! does anybody have an earlier time for site crash?
[19:45:16] <Sulla> I'm pretty sure it was up at ~14:00 UTC because I am pretty sure i refreshed the page fine when i first woke up
[19:45:44] <Sulla> I didn't try to refresh again until after I was on here and it was first mentioend in chat above, dont recall the time
[19:46:09] <Sulla> but that was around 1500 to 1530, so the time given by raxas sounds reasonable
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[19:55:15] <Ethanol-fueled> The Jews did this.
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[19:57:14] <fliptop> I logged into IRC at 1509 immediately after I noticed the site was puking 500's.
[19:57:15] <AzumaHazuki> what is wrong with that guy?
[19:57:41] <Booga1> Too much ethanol.
[19:58:34] <Sulla> The image that best explains EF
[19:58:36] <Sulla> https://img.memecdn.com
[19:58:47] <Sulla> simple problems that happen to everyone, but he attributes to the jews
[20:00:07] <AzumaHazuki> i mean is he mentally ill or...?
[20:00:31] <Sulla> Ive always assumed it was low effort trolling
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[20:17:15] <bacteria> yeah makes me miss tmb's high end master-class trolling...
[20:17:29] <AzumaHazuki> i don't
[20:17:49] <AzumaHazuki> now if eth would fuck off too that would go a long way to improving the signal to noise ratio
[20:21:45] <Runaway1956> Zumi is back to acting like Zumi . . .
[20:24:13] <pinchy> get em Runaway1956
[20:24:49] <Runaway1956> It's just the constant hatred, pinchy - I guess it's tolerated because she's female
[20:25:12] <pinchy> has soylent gone full woke now?
[20:25:37] <Runaway1956> nope, not yet -
[20:25:54] <pinchy> i guess i better check some news artikles see whats happening
[20:26:15] <pinchy> hah internal server error
[20:26:19] <pinchy> rip soylent
[20:26:46] <Runaway1956> prune juice helps when I have internal errors . . .
[20:27:10] <pinchy> Runaway1956: you getting ready for the 611 event? either alien invasion or seattle needle xplosion?
[20:27:34] <pinchy> would be a big let down if they post poned it to 2022
[20:27:48] <pinchy> they might since they have top gun slated for late 2021
[20:27:55] <Runaway1956> hadn't heard about it, should I hit the conspiracy sites?
[20:28:30] <pinchy> just turn the TV and internet news sites off and youll be good to go
[20:29:56] <pinchy> prolly crank up the SPARS pandemic next year. kill off the remaining goyim teehee
[20:30:02] <Sulla> All these "ufo" articles makes me assume there is going to be some new leak of US military tech and they want to be able to say "SEE I TOLD YOU"
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[20:30:36] <Keiner> Serverdown?
[20:31:09] <Sulla> yeah
[20:31:30] <Keiner> Eheu.
[20:32:14] <Runaway1956> https://www.news24.com
[20:32:16] <systemd> ^ 03News24
[20:32:37] <Keiner> Hm. Is that legal discrimination?
[20:33:02] <Keiner> I seem to remember a lawsuit about ... was it white house journalists?
[20:34:24] <chromas> but these are house of color journalists
[20:36:13] <Sulla> That was different. The prior lawsuits only applied when the person turning down journalists was Orange. You see, you can't change the publican you work for, but you can change who you are as a person. Really pretty straight forward
[20:37:21] <Keiner> I could have sworn ... maybe back in the Nixon days. I'm pretty sure this goes back decades.
[20:37:30] <Sulla> Woohoo siding contractor gave me a big discount because I wasn't a Karen about him needing to shift the day work was expected to begin.
[20:40:52] <Keiner> Pays to not be a dick, I guess.
[20:41:15] <Keiner> Hm. Can Karens be dicks? ... I suppose in this day and age, self-identification encompasses that.
[20:41:33] <AzumaHazuki> Sulla, yes, i wonder about this...the UFO thing. i hope like hell it's some kind of carbon sequestration storage or clean power supply
[20:42:02] <AzumaHazuki> we're locked into extinction-level climate change now, and it's a when, not an if. and i have an awful feeling the answer is "a lot sooner than you think..."
[20:42:10] <Sulla> I've seen this pretty cool A shaped fighter here in oregon down by K falls recently
[20:42:15] <Sulla> hoping its about that
[20:42:43] <AzumaHazuki> at this point i'd actually welcome an alien takeover, if they turned out to be the "benevolent dictator" type. and actually were benevolent
[20:43:02] <raxas> AzumaHazuki is not a bad girl, she's just a typical tsundere kind https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:43:03] <systemd> ^ 03Tsundere - Wikipedia
[20:43:23] <Sulla> Isreal's foreign ministry tweeted that they have been in contact with UFOs and also the US govt. While I prefer that to the CCP it doesn't give me much hope if more than a troll
[20:43:34] <Sulla> That was a while ago so unsure how to dig up that tweet
[20:43:58] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, no, raxas. i'm more of the ku-dere type (sugar/ice)
[20:44:49] <AzumaHazuki> just like my avatar...traumatized and avoidant except around one specific person, which then makes me phase change into "melty pile of lesbian jello" more or less
[20:46:22] <Sulla> So local cheap windows company says 5800 for 13 windows and one sliding door, other contractor quote says 1500. Cheaper one is for better quality windows. Pretty sure both are trying to pull a fast one on me
[20:47:37] <Runaway1956> Just bring the windows, and I'll install them . . . 1/2 or more of the quoted price is for labor, 1/2 of what's left is for profit
[20:47:42] <Runaway1956> just sell me the windows, please
[20:48:08] <Sulla> Ah. More expensive one is almost exactly higher in price by the amount the county rebate is
[20:48:24] <Sulla> Which I wont be filing for anyways so into the trash it goes
[20:48:30] <chromas> yay, government-sponsored pricejacking
[20:48:59] <Runaway1956> amazing how that works - every time government tries to "help the needy" they screw up the entire economy
[20:49:30] <chromas> *cough cough*section 8*cough*college tuition*sough
[20:49:33] <Sulla> I would just do them myself but I'm not doing second story windows, and none of the contractors wil only install second story
[20:50:03] <Runaway1956> What? You scared of ladders?
[20:50:26] <Sulla> A meme told me its the #1 cause of accidental death for men over 50. And i'm sure my dad would want to help
[20:50:27] <Sulla> so no thanks
[20:50:33] <chromas> What if you only buy the second story windows, have them install, then separately buy the lowers?
[20:50:53] <Sulla> three contractors said they wouldn't do it, "wont do partial jobs"
[20:51:11] <Runaway1956> Ya know, you can stabilize a ladder by driving a couple stakes in the ground, so the ladder cannot possibly slide
[20:51:11] <chromas> Do the lower ones first so they don't need it
[20:51:30] <chromas> Get a cherry picker, so you have something to waste your savings on
[20:51:45] <Runaway1956> That's a cool idea chromas -
[20:52:05] <Sulla> I considered it. It would be cheaper to buy a cherry picker to do my own siding and windows than it would be to pay someone else to do it
[20:52:12] <Sulla> thats a great ROI for a business
[20:52:13] <Runaway1956> instead of falling from the ladder, you can accidentally knock out an entire wall while figuring out how the cherry picker works
[20:52:13] <chromas> Our neighbors rented an extra large one awhile back to hack on their tree. Cracked up their driveway with it
[20:52:17] <Keiner> Or you could do it like those mud mosques and similar buildings where they build stakes into the walls for climbing, for regular maintenance as a kind of permanent scaffolding.
[20:52:58] * Runaway1956 kinda speaks from experience about cherry pickers and such
[20:53:20] <Runaway1956> every one works differently, and I have hit stuff because I got controls mixed up
[20:53:54] <Runaway1956> you could rent a scissor lift to do the job - more working room than a cherry picker, much simpler controls,
[20:54:04] <Sulla> I know me, i would end up over-building scaffolding then when finished realize I didn't save any money
[20:54:09] <Sulla> no room for a scissor lift sadly
[20:54:11] <Runaway1956> need big wheels on it to navigate unpaved yard
[20:54:38] <Sulla> well brb time to put kid down for a nap
[20:54:53] <Keiner> Another approach is to throw ropes over your house and ride them up like window cleaners.
[20:54:54] <chromas> Get two scissor lifts, put them wherever you have room, then span a board across the two of them :D
[20:54:56] <Runaway1956> You didn't get a self-napping kid?
[20:55:18] <Keiner> Does putting kid down for a nap involve opiates?
[20:55:29] <Sulla> We requested one that slept through the night from day one
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[20:55:33] <Sulla> didnt read fine print about nap time though
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[21:07:46] <Sulla> glad naps are easy though
[21:07:50] <Sulla> compared to my twins
[21:09:47] <Keiner> Not enough opiates for two?
[21:10:18] <Sulla> Psh if I get laudanum I'm going to keep it for me.
[21:11:16] <Keiner> Denis Leary assures me that NyQuil will do the trick.
[21:12:24] <Sulla> Seems like a waste of nyquil
[21:12:33] <Sulla> but I also live in a state where it is hard to get
[21:13:03] <Keiner> This is why you move to Africa. Laws apply when you want them to, as long as you keep your bribes up.
[21:13:27] <Keiner> "They're not bribes. They're enforcement flexibility payments."
[21:13:35] <Runaway1956> Have you ever tried the Estwing nap method?
[21:13:48] <Runaway1956> https://images.homedepot-static.com
[21:13:55] <Sulla> Id prefer not hit my kid with an axe or hammer
[21:14:10] <hbenton> very sensible
[21:14:17] <Sulla> that said i love my estwing axe and hammer
[21:14:21] <Runaway1956> Just asking, I've heard that it works, and cheaply
[21:18:36] <Sulla> nice, weather calls for two hours of thunderstorms
[21:18:38] <Sulla> hope its accurate
[21:21:49] * Runaway1956 thanks God for chikin, and Cthulhu for noodles
[21:22:21] <Sulla> Dont think i want any cthulhu noodles
[21:22:48] <Runaway1956> How could you make chikin noodle soup without them?
[21:22:55] <Sulla> I prefer to eat my pasta, not have it eat me
[21:23:28] <Runaway1956> All the pasta in the world is the offspring of Cthulhu
[21:24:28] <Sulla> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
[21:24:40] <bacteria> don't worry 13Sulla, after the eldritch horror is done flaying your soul, the dissolution of the body will be as welcome as a frosty mug of light beer on a hot summer afternoon
[21:24:42] <hbenton> i've played enough d&d to weary of anything that comes from the Far Realm or is otherwise associated with Eldritch Horrors
[21:25:04] <hbenton> mortal minds simply cannot comprehend, and shatter
[21:25:08] <Sulla> Maybe you'll get lucky and outrun your partymate long enough to re-seal it
[21:25:25] <hbenton> keep your crazy noodles to yourself, mister 1956
[21:25:29] <Sulla> Reminds me i need to get back to writing call of cthulhu quests
[21:25:36] <Sulla> Ran a campaign from
[21:25:44] <Sulla> '10 to '18 and need to get back into it
[21:25:49] <bacteria> no dnd villain can withstand the cunning of the loaded die
[21:26:44] <hbenton> damn, 8 years? impressive
[21:27:09] <hbenton> @bacteria i once had a yellow d20 that was hell-bent on rolling natural 4s
[21:27:28] <hbenton> not as bad as a natural 1, but failed most of the time
[21:27:31] <Sulla> It all started as a joke campaign on a week off from DnD for thanksgiving. and evolved from that
[21:27:36] <hbenton> then i switched to a different set
[21:27:43] <hbenton> and continued to roll 4s
[21:27:45] <hbenton> D:
[21:27:47] <Sulla> Its fun to switch between horror and pulp
[21:27:47] <Runaway1956> Yes, but those were 8 years of $youngerSulla - Sulla_Current can't do that
[21:27:54] <Sulla> probably
[21:28:10] <Sulla> I have another few years of campaign outlined, but need to flesh it out
[21:28:24] <bacteria> damn that's some campaign, enogh time for party members to roll a critical fail in real life lol
[21:28:25] <FatPhil> needs more flesh, eh?
[21:28:46] <FatPhil> on or off the bone?
[21:29:17] <Sulla> The group started off with eight characters each. Campaign started in 1916 or so. Then after a number of sessions characters would die off or go insane
[21:29:24] <Sulla> until we had an actual party of survivors
[21:29:34] <Keiner> Now you can move on from DnD to HM.
[21:30:00] <hbenton> hm? i'm not familiar with that
[21:30:08] <Sulla> A postman, matador, chinese antiques salesman, associate professor of archeology, and a professor of physics
[21:30:34] <Sulla> honorable mention was one armed WW1 pilot
[21:30:36] <Keiner> HackMaster 5
[21:30:40] <Keiner> Smooth as can be.
[21:31:05] <FatPhil> Gruntmaster 3000 or nothing
[21:31:12] <hbenton> ah. i'll have to look into that once i get back into P&P games.
[21:31:28] <hbenton> that party, sulla, sounds like the set up for some sort of joke
[21:31:55] <hbenton> not sure what the punchline would be
[21:32:08] <Sulla> Party traveled around dealing with weird occurance under the patronage of a rich oilmonger who owned a zeppeline
[21:32:11] <hbenton> tell me about the matador
[21:32:29] <Sulla> "why else would there be a matador aboard the ship, except to lead?"
[21:32:32] <Sulla> brb contractor outside
[21:32:35] <Keiner> Hackmaster chargen is crunchy, but it's because you're precalculating what you need in the game - then the actual game is smooth, flowing hideous violence.
[21:33:04] <bacteria> chinese antique salesman probably has a wish scroll among the junk
[21:33:15] <bacteria> haxxor class
[21:33:51] <hbenton> but of course
[21:34:27] <hbenton> and i could see the professor of physics building silly rube goldberg traps, kinda like in home alone
[21:38:19] <bacteria> i think it would be more of a summoner class, ovewhelming enemies with wave after wave of nearly-incorporeal research assistants
[21:38:53] <FatPhil> any qshaman class?
[21:39:20] <Keiner> In HM?
[21:39:27] <FatPhil> Or does anyone who rolls INT < 7 automatically become that?
[21:39:54] <FatPhil> +2 on social media self-publicity rolls
[21:40:06] <FatPhil> great talent on some campaign trails.
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[21:47:40] <bk> Any hope out there?
[21:48:08] <hbenton> HOPE RIDES ALONE
[21:48:14] <hbenton> but also i don't follow you
[21:50:03] <FatPhil> "WeWork's Losses Quadrupled To $2.1 Billion In Q1"
[21:50:33] <FatPhil> ur doin' bizness rong
[21:51:04] <FatPhil> Ironic for a company whose whole raison d'etre is to help businesses do business.
[21:51:32] <hbenton> clearly at this time, WeWork... doesn't. at least, not well.
[21:52:23] <Runaway1956> https://www.tecmint.com
[21:52:24] <systemd> ^ 0312 Open Source Linux Desktop Environments of 2021
[21:52:27] <bk> https://www.youtube.com
[21:52:28] <systemd> ^ 03The Website is Down #1: Sales Guy vs. Web Dude
[21:52:49] <Runaway1956> . It was initially developed in 2014 by Wuhan Deepin Technology Co,
[21:52:58] <FatPhil> "Back in March, the firm revealed that it lost a staggering $3.2 billion in 2020, which it tried to spin as a positive ..."
[21:53:15] <Runaway1956> Just what everyone wants these days, a Wuhan Desktop Environment
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[21:55:01] <FatPhil> Its popularity is increasing exponentially!
[21:56:59] <FatPhil> 'Below are mentioned some of Lightweight Desktop Environments ' - how on earth are some of those 'lightweight'?
[21:57:03] <Runaway1956> This one appears to be intentionally ugly - https://sourceforge.net
[21:57:05] <systemd> ^ 03CDE - Common Desktop Environment
[21:57:10] <FatPhil> asking as a DWM user
[21:57:27] <FatPhil> Have you ever used a HP-UX box - it's as horrible as it looks
[21:57:49] <FatPhil> 4 desktops will be enough for anybody!
[21:57:52] <Runaway1956> Never have -
[21:58:03] * Runaway1956 is still partial to Enlightenment
[21:58:15] <Runaway1956> unfortunately, no major distro actively develops E
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[21:58:39] <Runaway1956> Installing E is simple, configuring it is less simple
[21:59:08] <FatPhil> Samsung were big into E in the Tizen days - employed a bunch of the big movers and shakers in the scene
[21:59:46] <FatPhil> Met a bunch of them, some of theme very bright guys, some of them pure dunning kruger.
[22:00:24] <chromas> muh void pointers
[22:00:42] <dx3bydt3> I love KDE, but I don't think it qualifies as lightweight unless you're comparing it to windows.
[22:01:03] <Runaway1956> That sounds about right dx3bydt3
[22:01:12] <Runaway1956> Gnome isn't very lightweight either
[22:01:25] <FatPhil> borland's compilers for windows solved the void pointer problem back in the early 90s.
[22:01:33] <FatPhil> "safe mode" or something, I think they called it.
[22:03:43] <FatPhil> all handles, to all the different types of things you could handles to, were just UINT16 typedefs, thus interchangeable, but with that compiler switch, they would all be turned into pointers to different structure types, which made the compiler refuse to use one in the place of the other. At the link phase it turned them all back into UINT16s.
[22:10:50] <AzumaHazuki> dx3bydt3, it's apparently light as xfce or lxqt now
[22:10:57] <AzumaHazuki> that blew my mind
[22:11:35] <chromas> did kde get lighter or did xfce get heavier?
[22:11:58] <dx3bydt3> AzumaHazuki: That's surprising, but I have noticed that my xfce install on my laptop seems more sluggish than when I've used it on netbooks in the past.
[22:12:13] <AzumaHazuki> it went gtk3
[22:12:27] * AzumaHazuki actually wrote some custom ebuilds for herself to get lxde to compile against gtk2
[22:16:31] <dx3bydt3> Based on that news, I'll probably run KDE on that laptop when I get around to switching it to SSD.
[22:21:00] <SoyCow6723> Just went back and read the recent saved log to see when the site crashed--very nice to read that things are being worked on.
[22:22:59] <SoyCow6723> Also noted a discussion on keyboard cleaning...before mine get too bad I hit then with the powerful house vacuum, with the brush attachment. Once, it sucked a key right off my ThinkPad, so now I put a small piece of plastic screen (tent screen) on the end of the wand before sliding the brush on.
[22:26:45] <Runaway1956> https://www.cnsnews.com
[22:26:46] <systemd> ^ 03CDC Director Testifies ‘Under Oath’ That She Adores Sen. John Kennedy’s Singing
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[22:33:39] <Runaway1956> https://reclaimthenet.org
[22:33:40] <systemd> ^ 03eBay says it will let governments automatically remove listings
[22:34:33] <Runaway1956> So, when this goes through, some "regulator" in Zimbabwe or Azerbaijan can delete my advertisements on Ebay
[22:40:13] <Booga1> I'm sure someone in Zimbabwe is scanning Ebay for your listings as we speak.
[22:41:29] <Booga1> But yeah, that's the usual terrible idea of letting every country decide what's "acceptable" on the internet. Lowest common denominator and all that.
[22:42:16] <Booga1> Anything mentioning Taiwan as a country will be yanked by China. Anything with a Nazi symbol could be yanked by Germany. Anything goes.
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[22:44:37] <DECbot> Thank you Motd.... you had all the info I was looking for
[22:44:46] <Runaway1956> Man's inhumanity to tardigrades
[22:44:50] <Runaway1956> https://gizmodo.com
[22:44:51] <systemd> ^ 03Scientists Shot Tardigrades From a Gun to Test a Theory About Aliens
[22:49:47] <DECbot> hmm... that's interesting. No doubt it will spawn some "critical thinking" out of Hollywood. Next in the Aliens franchise, the alien queen and her friends will be spotted surfing asteroids during atmospheric entry.
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[22:56:11] <Sulla> That took way longer than expected, all just so i could shell out money
[22:56:23] <Sulla> I would imagine people who want money would go faster
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[23:00:09] <Bytram> It seems we are at an impasse right now until we here back from TMB or NC.
[23:00:27] <Sulla> ?
[23:01:08] <AzumaHazuki> oopsie, they went and took the passwords with them?
[23:01:11] <Bytram> mechanicjay++ has been trying for ~8 hours to get the DB working but coming up empty.
[23:01:11] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 29
[23:01:53] <mechanicjay> unless there is any mysql nbd cluster experience in here?
[23:01:55] <Bytram> no.2021-05-20T22:49:00.298725Z 4 [Warning] NDB: Failed to acquire global schema lock, error: (4009)Cluster Failure
[23:01:55] <Bytram> 2021-05-20T22:49:00.302300Z 4 [ERROR] /opt/mysql/bin/mysqld: Incorrect information in file: './soylentnews/accesslog_temp.frm'
[23:04:26] <Sulla> sadly im just a noob
[23:05:02] <mechanicjay> me too -- at least with ndb clusters -- it's like it's own language
[23:06:00] <mechanicjay> a language for which there is no useful documentation on the interwebs
[23:06:45] <Booga1> Sorry, not a DB admin. I can do failovers and stuff for MS SQL, but no idea how similar it is for mysql or what it needs when it breaks.
[23:15:01] <AzumaHazuki> i'm finding all sorts of weird and probably incorrect/irrelevant stuff when googling for this
[23:15:20] <mechanicjay> AzumaHazuki: welcome to my day!
[23:15:46] <AzumaHazuki> is phpmyadmin installed? someone suggested running repair operations from it but...if you can't access the database it doesn't sound like that's useful
[23:15:47] <Booga1> For every problem there is an answer that is quick, easy, and wrong.
[23:17:32] <AzumaHazuki> if we use innodb, i saw a suggestion to set an "innodb force recovery" variable to some number above 0 in my.cnf https://support.plesk.com
[23:17:34] <systemd> ^ 03How to fix InnoDB corruption cases for the MySQL databases on Plesk for Linux?
[23:17:38] <AzumaHazuki> again, no idea if this is relevant
[23:18:45] <Bytram> not really -- we have a *cluster* arragement with ndb -- whole different kettle of lutefisk
[23:19:09] <AzumaHazuki> ...well, cyka
[23:19:59] <FatPhil> I think what we're seeing here is the problems with "enterprise grade" dbms, rather than buttfuck-simple dbms.
[23:21:18] <FatPhil> maybe this is why people threw their hands in the air and just said "fuckit, all I wanted was a key-value lookup, I'm going nosql'
[23:33:47] * Bytram called TMB. Gave him a quick summary. He "cringed". Gave TMB mechanicjay's phone number. Looks like they are working on it as I *just* got an e-mail from Linode that neon rebooted.
[23:34:37] <Bytram> cross finders, toes, and knock on some xylem and phloem
[23:35:45] <raxas> I was just advised that may be an indirectly caused problem, by iptables or selinux misconfigurations breaking cluster connections
[23:36:16] <raxas> so, better check if something changed with the network itself
[23:38:55] <AzumaHazuki> ...odd
[23:44:17] <Bytram> raxas: interesting. may I ask the source?
[23:46:00] <mechanicjay> I would agree, but since one of the datanodes actually experienced corruption and the replication got borked....
[23:46:42] <Sulla> at least he wasn't fishing
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[23:47:06] <Bytram> mechanicjay++
[23:47:06] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 30
[23:47:07] <Bytram> mechanicjay++
[23:47:07] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 31
[23:47:07] <Bytram> mechanicjay++
[23:47:07] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 32
[23:47:53] <mechanicjay> I think we're on a path to recover now -- TMB filled in the missing bit of information I needed
[23:48:17] <AzumaHazuki> what was missing, a password?
[23:48:19] <Bytram> Woo Hoo!
[23:48:38] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
[23:48:39] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[23:49:22] <Runaway1956> Once again, Sleepy Joe embarrasses virtually all sentient humans
[23:49:55] <FatPhil> mechanicjay++ big thanks
[23:49:55] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 33
[23:50:06] <Sulla> mechanicjay++
[23:50:06] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 34
[23:50:17] <Runaway1956> The error message has changed:
[23:50:21] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard++ too
[23:50:21] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 433
[23:50:22] <Runaway1956> Forbidden
[23:50:22] <Runaway1956> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
[23:50:54] <FatPhil> give it time - it's made of cogs and hamsters
[23:51:14] <Runaway1956> They told me guinea pigs!
[23:51:29] <FatPhil> did they eat their own poo?
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[23:52:00] <raxas> this one quick search provides similar relevant information https://blogs.oracle.com
[23:52:01] <systemd> ^ 03Connection Failures Between Nodes in MySQL Cluster
[23:52:58] <mechanicjay> BOOM https://soylentnews.org
[23:52:58] <Sulla> guinea pigs eat their own poo to maintain their gut flora
[23:53:01] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[23:53:43] <Sulla> lost many days sadly, but its up!
[23:53:47] <Sulla> mechanicjay++
[23:53:47] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 35
[23:56:06] <mechanicjay> That is a lot of days lost, shit.
[23:56:10] <raxas> on 2021.04.14 18:47 looks pretty bad
[23:56:43] <mechanicjay> That was the last valid sync checkpoint in the cluster due to the disk space issue on the management node.
[23:56:56] <Sulla> its gonna be what its gonna be
[23:57:10] <mechanicjay> taking a fucking break now
[23:57:41] <FatPhil> mechanicjay++
[23:57:41] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 36
[23:58:59] <bacteria> may be 't was gods censoring aristarchus' last journal entry