#soylent | Logs for 2021-05-14

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[00:45:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Just Solved This Quantum Computing Problem 120 Times Faster than Previously Possible - https://sylnt.us - locality-of-reference
[01:35:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Solved a Quantum Computing Problem 120 Times Faster Than Previously Possible - https://sylnt.us - locality-of-reference
[03:17:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Increases Chip Investment to $151 Billion by 2030 - https://sylnt.us - Ruffles-or-Lays?
[05:01:48] <chromas> It's so quiet in here. Is IRC ded now?
[05:01:59] <chromas> systemd
[05:02:02] <chromas> javascript
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[05:29:16] <Sulla> maybe its just you
[05:32:23] * chromas checks his shoes and breath for poo
[05:32:44] <chromas> oh how's the keyboard coming?
[05:33:08] <Sulla> Pretty good. Right now just waiting to receive some mail from Hemo so I can make some final measurements
[05:33:11] <chromas> I want to get one of those aircraft carrier ones—the oversized ones with 30 F-keys
[05:33:19] <Sulla> The first test board is complete except for the keycap adapters
[05:33:36] <Sulla> For the second board we are designing/testing keycap plates
[05:33:42] <Sulla> god a link to a cool one?
[05:33:55] <Sulla> Bought a 130 dollar alienware keyboard i got for 20 on amazon warehouse
[05:33:59] <chromas> No; I've just seen them in the youtube videos
[05:34:13] <Sulla> but darn thing has lights where it flashes the num, scroll, or caps lock light under the key
[05:34:17] <Sulla> instead of a light in the corner
[05:34:20] <Sulla> so dunno if i can use the pcb or not
[05:35:11] <Sulla> For the second go at It I'm hoping i can get all the parts back into the original clamshell, but its gonna be tight
[05:35:58] <Sulla> https://shop.carbide3d.com
[05:35:59] <systemd> ^ 03Shapeoko 4 CNC Router
[05:36:02] <Sulla> really thinking about buying this
[05:36:32] <chromas> Then use it to carve out a keyboard case?
[05:36:55] <Sulla> I really want to use the original case, but I can use that to make a spacer between the top and bottom clamshells
[05:37:28] <Sulla> for my first go at it needed a 30mm spacer
[05:39:31] <Sulla> I should be able to cut that in half
[05:39:37] <Sulla> board will still be big, but much more managable
[05:45:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers Got $5 Million: Colonial Pipeline Reportedly Paid a Ransom in Cryptocurrency - https://sylnt.us - dark-netted
[05:48:45] <Sulla> dont often listen to JRE, but his interview with George Knapp from a few months ago is pretty fun
[06:00:20] <chromas> Saw a video awhile back where a couple were making epoxy keycaps. Pretty nifty I guess
[06:01:07] <Sulla> Epoxy can be used for some cool stuff
[06:01:23] <Sulla> I'm pretty over epoxy, needing to keep a constant temp for three days is difficult
[06:02:05] <chromas> But you could have miniature starfields and forests on your keyboard
[06:02:33] <Sulla> Seems like way too much work
[06:02:51] <Sulla> Says i, who has spent weeks on some autistic hp
[06:03:40] <chromas> I wonder if anyone makes the spherically cut keycaps like old '80s PCs had
[06:03:56] <Sulla> I think ive seen them on amazon
[06:03:57] <chromas> like these https://www.youtube.com
[06:03:58] <systemd> ^ 03IBM 3278 review (beam springs)
[06:04:35] <Sulla> Super ?concave?
[06:06:15] <Sulla> https://www.amazon.com
[06:06:18] <Sulla> is what i'm using rn
[06:06:20] <systemd> ^ 03Amazon.com: Custom Keycaps, 155 Keys XDA Profile PBT Keycaps, Theme Minimalist Style Japanese Keycaps Suitable for Fullsize, Tenkeyless, Winkeyless, 75%, 65%, 60% Keyboard(White Keycaps): Computers & Accessories
[06:06:34] <chromas> Those look almost flat
[06:07:12] <Sulla> They are, i would like i they had more of a dome to them
[06:07:19] <Sulla> those ones in the video are real cool
[06:08:37] <chromas> I wonder if a multi-color 3d-printer could make decent resolution text on keycaps
[06:09:01] <chromas> 3d-printed double-shot injection alternative
[06:09:01] <Sulla> not sure
[06:09:34] <chromas> If I can find or make some of those keys I'm totally going to build a keyboard
[06:10:01] <Sulla> If I get the cnc i linked above would be fun to make the keys from that video and then make them, for the paint use the cnc to cut the hole
[06:10:12] <Sulla> fill it with a mixture of epoxy and charcoal
[06:11:10] <Sulla> thats a hell of a switch
[06:11:24] <chromas> https://www.amazon.com
[06:11:28] <systemd> ^ 03Amazon.com: Drop + Matt3o MT3 Susuwatari Custom Keycap Set, ABS Hi-Profile Keycaps, Doubleshot Legends, MX Style Covers Fullsize, Tenkeyless, Winkeyless, 60%, 65%, and 75% (Base Kit): Computers & Accessories
[06:11:53] <chromas> I don't like that ISO enter key though. Need bigass enter
[06:12:42] <Sulla> lol
[06:13:02] <Sulla> that keyboard sounds amazing
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[06:14:39] <Sulla> https://www.ebay.com
[06:14:40] <systemd> ^ 03IBM 3278 Beamspring Keyboard Vintage
[06:14:41] <Sulla> ooooof
[06:14:51] <Sulla> https://www.ebay.com
[06:14:52] <systemd> ^ 03CHOOSE Single Keycap - From IBM 3278 Beamspring Keyboard - Replacement Key POOR
[06:15:09] <chromas> The J looks pretty sad
[06:15:36] <Sulla> yeah
[06:15:41] <Sulla> but woudl be good to make a mold
[06:15:42] <chromas> They keyboard's a bargain!
[06:16:39] <Sulla> the print button made total sense to me
[06:16:48] <Sulla> matches my old IBM flowchart stencels
[06:18:41] <Sulla> is using the right pointer finger for spacebar the secret to getting more than 150 wpm
[06:19:51] <chromas> I think so
[06:19:56] <chromas> he uses his thumb sometimes though
[06:21:27] <chromas> oh em gee they come in white
[06:21:33] <chromas> https://www.amazon.com
[06:21:40] <systemd> ^ 03Amazon.com: Drop + Matt3o MT3 /dev/tty Keycap Set for Full-Size Keyboards - Compatible with Cherry MX Switches and Clones (1800 Layout 122-Key Kit): Computers & Accessories
[06:21:47] <chromas> boioioioing
[06:23:02] <Sulla> so spendy
[06:25:25] <chromas> oh dyesub
[06:25:40] <chromas> the black ones are doubleshot
[06:26:07] <Sulla> ah
[06:26:08] * chromas raises nose
[06:26:17] <Sulla> into the trash it goes
[06:26:36] <Sulla> I'm sad there isn't a wood that gives me as white of a white as ebony does of black
[06:27:07] <chromas> Can you bleach it at all?
[06:28:09] <Sulla> dunno
[06:28:35] <Sulla> 'https://startwoodworkingnow.com/how-to-bleach-wood/#:~:text=Oxalic%20acid%20is%20well%20suited%20for%20whitening%20light,of%20soda%20ash%20and%200.1%20l%20of%20water.
[06:29:17] <Sulla> Would like to try to make the keys like from that IBM out of wood, if i could get them white enough naturally
[06:29:30] <Sulla> Then use ebony or charcoal for the lttering
[06:29:46] <Sulla> prob charcoal for letting, ebony for trim
[06:31:54] * chromas eats free tiramisu cheesecake; doesn't share
[06:32:12] <Sulla> pretty sure im allergic anyways
[06:34:36] <chromas> Perhaps you can do some tree breeding until you get a nice white wood that you can use for your PC 80 years from now
[06:35:01] <Sulla> damn your on to something
[06:36:24] <chromas> Then use a time machine to send them back to now
[06:36:45] <Sulla> Nothing showed up
[06:36:49] <Sulla> i must have gotten drunk and lazy
[06:36:59] <Sulla> or i get hit by a bus tomorrow
[06:37:01] <chromas> So if you don't show up right about now, then you know that breeding ultra-white wooded trees just isn't physically possible
[06:39:55] <Sulla> white pine is the closest
[06:40:30] <Sulla> https://www.ebay.com
[06:40:32] <systemd> ^ 03South American Castelo Boxwood turning blank 1-3/8+" x 1-3/8+" x 6" (#1)
[06:40:38] <Sulla> forgot about chess pieces
[06:40:42] <Sulla> boxwood and ebony
[06:43:40] <chromas> Maybe with the router you can carve out the letter holes in one color, then make just the letters in another color, then gently hammer the letters into the holes
[06:44:03] <Sulla> possibly, but i dont got that kind of skill
[06:45:00] <chromas> Maybe melt some brass or something and pour it into the holes
[06:45:15] <Sulla> oof that would be sweet
[06:45:24] <Sulla> ebony keycap with brass
[06:45:45] <Sulla> could do silver too
[06:50:54] <Sulla> https://en.wikipedia.org
[06:50:56] <systemd> ^ 03Battle of Los Angeles - Wikipedia
[06:51:55] <Sulla> i want to believe
[06:53:22] <chromas> and that, children, is why they now have the most street poo per capita
[06:54:48] <Sulla> too much lead in the water?
[06:55:47] <chromas> that actually makes sense. it's not so much that they have too much lead, just not enough water
[06:58:11] <chromas> I wonder if anyone's had a flame war over Enter vs Return keys
[06:58:47] <Sulla> as sure as the probabily any soylent thread will mention hitler
[06:58:52] <chromas> "Return" is wrong, of course
[06:59:08] <Sulla> go shitpost on /g/
[06:59:09] <chromas> But I do recall in ClarisWorks, the numberpad enter would move the cell pointer down, while the Return key didn't
[07:00:09] <Sulla> dunno im too young for this crap
[07:01:26] <chromas> Hitler would have used Return
[07:02:03] <Sulla> JUSTIFY
[07:02:20] <Sulla> ugh something is wrong with my y switch
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[08:17:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 96% of US Users Opt Out of App Tracking in IOS 14.5, Analytics Find - https://sylnt.us - privacy-first
[08:53:06] <chromas> The problem with opting out of spying is the telemetry stats are skewed toward idiots
[09:07:07] <janrinok> ... and that is a problem because ...?
[09:11:50] <c0lo> =submit https://www.unite.ai
[09:11:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Neural Rendering: How Low Can You Go in Terms of Input?" (52p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:22:23] <c0lo> =submit keep-an-eye-on-it https://www.notebookcheck.net
[09:22:26] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Crypto Miners Could Soon Flood Ebay With Cheap CPUs, Motherboards and SSDs Acquired Via GPU Bundle P" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:33:22] <chromas> because the software get sdumber
[09:34:26] <c0lo> chromas: s/sd/sl/
[09:34:26] <SedBot> <c0lo> <chromas> because the software get slumber
[09:35:02] * c0lo blames autocorrect
[09:35:35] * chromas blames opt-out telemetry
[09:36:03] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[10:00:28] <c0lo> =submit https://www.agriland.ie
[10:03:10] <c0lo> =submit https://www.aljazeera.com
[10:03:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Frog Legs in Worm Flour? EU Approves First Insect Protein" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:04:05] <c0lo> should work fine with beer
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[10:05:26] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com.au
[10:05:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Israel's Bombing of Gaza Apartment Buildings Could be a War Crime, Human Rights Groups Warn" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:09:03] <c0lo> =submit thanks-microsoft https://www.windowscentral.com
[10:09:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Colonial Pipeline Attack Linked to Microsoft Exchange [Updated]" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:13:38] <chromas> That's what happens when you don't sign up for a cloudscale Outlook subscription
[10:21:18] <c0lo> And that happens if you resist raising the minimum wage
[10:21:42] <c0lo> Well played, Biden, especially for an old senile.
[10:21:47] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[10:21:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Desperate for Workers, US Restaurants and Stores Raise Pay" (25p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:21:55] <chromas> I guess so, assuming they're piping crude directly into the friers
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[10:28:21] <chromas> oh good, I thought a roo got you
[10:30:20] <FatPhil> Beware - Dangeroos
[10:33:15] <chromas> hm, looks like the bot gets stuck on quotation marks
[10:33:51] <chromas> Last time I came across that, it was some website using three quotes in an href
[10:36:28] <chromas> Yep. In this Phoronix test page, there's an href with only a closing quote
[10:36:41] <chromas> I wonder how the real parsers handle that type o BS
[10:38:44] <c0lo> =submit https://www.france24.com
[10:38:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Italy Fines Google €100 Million for Shutting Out Rival’s Smartphone App" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:43:40] <c0lo> "it was some website using three quotes in an href" single quotes are allowed in URIs https://datatracker.ietf.org
[10:44:36] <c0lo> chromas https://stackoverflow.com
[10:44:37] <systemd> ^ 03Which characters make a URL invalid? ( https://stackoverflow.com )
[10:45:22] <chromas> Good resource, but my problem is different. Imagine this scenario: <a href=https://google.com/">
[10:45:22] <systemd> ^ 03Error 404 (Not Found)!!1
[10:46:03] <chromas> The one I'd fixed before was <a href="blah"">
[10:46:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Owner Who "Drives" from Back Seat Got Arrested, Then Did It Again - https://sylnt.us - Darwin-award-candidate
[10:46:36] <chromas> So I need to get smart and figure out how to generically handle retards who can't figure out how many quotation marks they need
[10:48:46] * chromas has an idea
[10:51:36] <c0lo> Now fix <a href="https://google.com'>
[10:51:37] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:52:03] <c0lo> (worked. Well done!)
[10:52:08] <chromas> I think it handles that one but I'm not sure
[10:53:56] <Bytram> how about <a href='https://google.com">
[10:53:57] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:54:06] <Bytram> =)
[10:54:20] <Bytram> how about <a href=''https://google.com'>
[10:54:21] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:54:28] <Bytram> how about <a href='''https://google.com'>
[10:54:29] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:54:38] <Bytram> how about <a href='https://google.com''>
[10:54:39] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:54:40] * c0lo oh noes, we woke up the QA
[10:54:47] <Bytram> how about <a href='https://google.com'''>
[10:54:48] <chromas> fake news. the xml fake parser doesn't affect url extraction from irc
[10:54:48] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:55:08] <chromas> to test it you'd need to point at an html file with the errors inside
[10:55:09] <Bytram> how about <a href=""https://google.com">
[10:55:10] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:55:23] <Bytram> how about <a href="""https://google.com">
[10:55:23] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:55:31] <Bytram> how about <a href="https://google.com"">
[10:55:32] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:55:35] <Bytram> how about <a href="https://google.com""">
[10:55:36] <systemd> ^ 03Google ( https://www.google.com )
[10:55:46] <chromas> see, all the non-url part is just inored
[10:55:59] <chromas> which is a fancy was of spelling ignored
[10:56:09] <c0lo> Isn't any #QA channel we can ban bytram into?
[10:56:27] <chromas> .ban Aphrodite
[10:56:27] -!- mode/#soylent [+b *!*@dodekatheon.olympus.gr] by Aphrodite
[10:56:30] <chromas> heh
[10:56:36] <chromas> it actually set a ban
[10:56:40] <chromas> .unban Aphrodite
[10:56:40] -!- mode/#soylent [-b *!*@dodekatheon.olympus.gr] by Aphrodite
[10:56:58] <chromas> I bet it can't kick itself
[10:57:01] <chromas> .kick Aphrodite
[10:57:24] <chromas> So anyway, the irc url detection is a yuge regex
[10:58:52] <chromas> Looks like it doesn't handle mismatched quote types. It looks for either one, then scans for another of the same type
[11:01:21] <Bytram> chromas: ['|"]+.*['|"]+
[11:01:50] <chromas> well it does it on purpose, so you can have quotes of the other type inside your string
[11:02:08] <chromas> not sure if html allows that, but it also doesn't allow href="blah"" either so
[11:02:49] <chromas> But I'm a thinkin' the quote thing is the main cause of the bot sperging out
[11:09:45] <chromas> I found the error in c0lo's link
[11:10:04] <chromas> They're using a ' for quotes but have one in the string
[11:11:13] <chromas> oh yeah
[11:11:19] <chromas> c0lo__ thanks for subs
[11:11:23] <chromas> c0lo++ thanks for subs
[11:11:23] <Bender> karma - c0lo: 40
[11:11:30] * chromas just can't typo today
[11:18:16] <c0lo> https://github.com
[11:18:17] <systemd> ^ 03htacg/tidy-html5
[11:19:28] <c0lo> C. Call it with whatever appropriate to handle process launches in D, redirect input and output
[11:20:06] <c0lo> =w HTML Tidy
[11:20:07] <systemd> HTML Tidy is a console application for correcting invalid hypertext markup language (HTML), detecting potential web accessibility errors, and for improving - https://en.wikipedia.org
[11:20:31] <chromas> Not a bad idea at all
[11:20:33] <chromas> c0lo++
[11:20:33] <Bender> karma - c0lo: 41
[11:20:50] <chromas> outsourcing++
[11:20:50] <Bender> karma - outsourcing: -3
[11:21:17] <c0lo> Old engineers don't implement old things anew
[11:22:02] <chromas> I've been meaning to swap out my thing for a third-party parser but they take more work. It was easier just to make a new, shitty one :D
[11:28:26] <c0lo> 365"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
[11:28:26] <c0lo> """""""""""""""""""""""""""""
[11:29:04] <c0lo> Ooops, my cat just sat herself on the keyboard
[11:30:25] <Bytram> c0lo: chromas: I used to use HTML tidy all the time on windows to "pre-parse" source files before doing any extractions. But, IIRC, that was before HTML 5. Dunno how well it has kept up.
[11:32:05] <Bytram> Besides a plethora of command-line options listed in its help page, it had a config file with even more options that IIRC could also be specified on the cmd line.
[11:32:42] <c0lo> this is what the devs are for, bytram. to see if it works.
[11:32:54] <Bytram> Beeware: it's kinda like but different from the GNU "standard"
[11:33:29] <Bytram> c0lo: s#devs#QA/test#
[11:33:29] <SedBot> <Bytram> <c0lo> this is what the QA/test are for, bytram. to see if it works.
[11:34:14] <c0lo> nope, bytram, i disagree. qa need to see how well it works
[11:34:25] <Bytram> "Fixed, not tested." "Tested, not fixed." Repeat as necessary!
[11:34:58] <c0lo> so, prepare your test data set.
[11:41:55] <Bytram> so prepare your requirement specifications, design document, and implementation specifications so they can be reviewed, first.
[11:58:24] <c0lo> here ye go, bytram https://www.w3.org
[11:58:29] <systemd> ^ 03HTML 5.2
[11:59:42] <c0lo> pay attenshn to https://www.w3.org
[11:59:47] <systemd> ^ 03HTML 5.2: 1. Introduction ( https://www.w3.org )
[12:03:20] <c0lo> Somebody got the idea that obs are a mean to an end and not the end. https://pbs.twimg.com
[12:03:55] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[12:03:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Tech Audit of Colonial Pipeline Found 'Glaring' Problems" (30p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:05:37] <c0lo> =submit https://siliconangle.com
[12:05:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03IBM on Track With Next-level, Quantum Qubit Computer by 2023" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:06:55] <Fnord666> Bytram that's not how Agile development works. There is no documentation. Just do everything on the fly!
[12:07:44] <Ingar> well you do not a large list of "customer issues" so you can be sure you're not working on them
[12:07:52] <Ingar> *well you do NEED
[12:08:07] * Ingar should have taken the day off
[12:08:36] <Fnord666> You want to fail fast so that you can be an innovator and synergize your test driven development with growing market segments to increase your vertical integrations.
[12:09:04] <Ingar> yep, that's exactly what my company does
[12:09:20] <Bytram> how's that working out for ya?
[12:09:30] <Fnord666> And make sure to revise your backlog every other day so you have no idea what is actually a priority
[12:09:39] <Bytram> LOL!
[12:09:45] <Ingar> Bytram: very good, I'm customer support, job security++
[12:10:08] <Bytram> I was indoctrinated in the waterfall model at IBM.
[12:10:11] <Bytram> Iambchop: LOL!
[12:10:14] <Bytram> oops
[12:10:21] <Bytram> Ingar: LOL!
[12:10:38] <Fnord666> We spend several days planning what is a priority to be worked on over the next threee months, only to have something come along within a week and crap on the whole plan.
[12:11:51] <Fnord666> When some sales droid decides he knows what the next big thing is going to be.
[12:11:58] <Fnord666> And either
[12:12:06] <Fnord666> A. needs to have it now, or
[12:12:16] <Bytram> Fnord666: Hmmm, rather than come to a conclusion, maybe come to an agreement on what the factors are and their relative weights -- then take a max(stuff) -- reassess and recalculate periodically?
[12:12:19] <Fnord666> B. Already sold it to a customer and now needs it implemented
[12:12:42] <c0lo> 2days planning/quarter should be enough for anyone agile
[12:13:31] <Fnord666> c0lo That's what we do and to be fair, it works most of the time.
[12:13:44] <Ingar> it also helps if your dev team is on some island a few hours flying away
[12:14:09] <Bytram> That sounds like a *GREAT* idea! Let me take that back to the developers and see what they can do with it -- heck, I've seen them come us with better stuff after I talk to them!
[12:14:29] <c0lo> Markedroids will soon learn what agile means. 2 quarters top.
[12:15:05] <Bytram> =w Computer Aided Software Development
[12:15:06] <systemd> Computer-aided software engineering (CASE) is the domain of software tools used to design and implement applications. CASE tools are similar to and were - https://en.wikipedia.org
[12:15:11] <Fnord666> This planning is not just our team (50+ developers) but across multiple development teams (30+ teams) and infrastructure, support, etc.
[12:15:32] * Bytram spent years testing CASE tools
[12:15:54] <Fnord666> Yeah I've been hearing that CASE is the next great thing for 30+ years I think.
[12:15:58] <Bytram> data flow diagrams, logical data models, etc.
[12:16:06] <c0lo> fnord666, we do it in 1 week over 200+ in 5 timezones. Works well enough too.
[12:16:32] <Bytram> teamwork++
[12:16:32] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 58
[12:17:24] <Fnord666> Nice. Our team has been doing Agile for years but across the business many of the teams are just starting to learn what it is and how it works.
[12:17:45] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nanowerk.com
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[12:17:57] <Fnord666> It doesn't help that we were acquired last year by a company whose development practives are much further behind than ours.
[12:18:13] <Fnord666> s/practives/practices/
[12:18:13] <SedBot> <Fnord666> It doesn't help that we were acquired last year by a company whose development practices are much further behind than ours.
[12:19:13] <Ingar> Fnord666: we were bought by a company without any software epxerience whatsoever
[12:19:32] <Ingar> I'm already hoarding popcorn
[12:19:40] <c0lo> =submit https://www.eurekalert.org
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[12:19:49] <Fnord666> Colo Having said that maybe someday we can chat about what works at that scale, what doesn't work, etc.
[12:21:21] <Fnord666> Are any of you using SAFe (Scaled Agile https://www.scaledagileframework.com)
[12:21:24] <systemd> ^ 03SAFe 5.0 Framework ( https://www.scaledagileframework.com )
[12:21:44] <c0lo> fnord666, in every other employer that tried it even with people at a single location, it failed. With this one, we're not working on a product for the market.
[12:21:58] <c0lo> Our customers are internal.
[12:24:06] <c0lo> it also helps the org is really committed to it and sponsors it adequately.
[12:24:39] * c0lo trying to get my head around safe
[12:25:30] <Fnord666> Yeah, a lack of "executive" buy-in has doomed a number of internal projects that I have worked on or been involved with
[12:27:51] <Fnord666> Lost six months of work when an executive decided that it would look better to customers if we were running a COTS application rather than a custom in house solution.
[12:29:00] <Fnord666> Never mind that the COTS application was a PITA to work with for customers. Brand recognition I guess.
[12:30:07] * c0lo looking to safe: heh, we banished scrum-masters years ago.
[12:30:10] <Fnord666> Ah well, so it goes.
[12:30:32] <Fnord666> Did you really? What are you doing now?
[12:31:35] <Bytram> scrum grasshoppers?
[12:31:56] <Fnord666> LOL
[12:31:57] <Bytram> =yt Kung Fu fighting
[12:31:58] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Carl Douglas Kung Fu Fighting (Original Music Video) (03:11; 8,506,091 views; 👍139,394 👎2,392)
[12:32:20] <Fnord666> When you can snatch the pebble from the scrum master's hand?
[12:32:44] <Bytram> time to update the Beg-o-Meter
[12:35:27] <Fnord666> Switching gears it looks like HTML Tidy has a notepad++ plugin!
[12:37:42] <chromas> I'm pretty sure nobody pays attention to the w3 anymore
[12:37:54] <Bytram> break time
[12:39:07] <Fnord666> Although it doesn't look like HTML Tidy has done a release since 2019
[12:42:26] <c0lo> fnord666, portfolio-safe seems close with what we're doing, with the exception that there's no scrum masters. We replaced it with slack/email for coordination.
[12:46:21] <c0lo> There's a "communication" person at each location, the guy to go to when you need to ask who to ask about a specific area. He keeps track of sprint reviews and internal tech presentations
[12:50:19] <c0lo> The culture is quite nice, everybody own their promises and there's no blame shifting game when the unexpected throws a wrench in the works.
[12:50:20] <Fnord666> Thanks. I'll have to take a look at that.
[12:50:31] <Fnord666> Cool
[12:52:11] <Fnord666> Who handles infrastructure changes like firewalls, database etc.?
[12:52:30] <c0lo> It's amazing how much mind share is freed when you don't need to think "cover your ass" and know that when you get a problem you can get help from the mates.
[12:53:10] <Fnord666> That is nice
[12:53:59] <c0lo> There are two teams: IT (hardware/networking/VM-es) and ops (CI)
[12:56:24] <c0lo> Before covid, beer flowed freely from 15:00. Helps heaps as teambuilding.
[12:56:26] <Fnord666> For development are you able to spin up your own VMs / containers on demand?
[12:56:43] <Fnord666> Beer++
[12:56:43] <Bender> karma - beer: 74
[12:58:00] <Fnord666> Similar situation here although the pub that was just down the way from the office is closed down now. Looks like it went out of business.
[12:59:24] <Fnord666> Thanks for the chat. Unfortunately it's time to jump on a team meeting call. I will talk to you all later!
[13:01:28] <chromas> You can always steal from all those heist movies and create an idle loop you can switch to in your video chat everytime you take a drink
[13:01:48] <c0lo> No, a VM come in a couple of hours from when you ask it. But the PC-es are beasts - I'm Quality Engineering and my PC is 10 cores/64GB, 3xSSD 1TB. Took it from a dev 2 years ago, when they upgraded to newer models.
[13:01:51] <chromas> brotip, you can create a virtual camera in obs and use that as input for skype or whatever
[13:03:33] <Fnord666> Can you feed that into Microsoft Teams?
[13:05:06] <c0lo> whaaaaat? Microsoft teams? Oh, God.
[13:05:07] <chromas> I don't have teams, but it should just show up as another camera. I know it works in Zoom in both Windows and Linux, and Pidgin on Linux
[13:05:55] <c0lo> Linky, chromas, please?
[13:06:02] <Fnord666> c0lo I know but you use what they dictate
[13:06:09] <chromas> https://obsproject.com
[13:06:09] <systemd> ^ 03Open Broadcaster Software | OBS
[13:06:46] <c0lo> Yes, I know. Same with us, but our dictators are more benevolent than yours, looks like.
[13:06:57] <c0lo> chromas++
[13:06:57] <Bender> karma - chromas: 353
[13:07:19] <chromas> The only thing is it doesn't handle sound in the virtual camera unless you do some hackery. Still, you can pipe in multiple cameras or make some loops of you paying attention when you get up to get more coffee or whatever
[13:09:14] <c0lo> Oh, short is sweet with our meeting. Even when a weekly gets beyond 30 mins, they are relevant.
[13:09:40] <Fnord666> Nice. We aren't there yet.
[13:11:51] <c0lo> We're focusing on problems rather than on activity. Knowing that everyone is pulling earnestly, it's more a coordination meeting than anything else.
[13:12:34] <c0lo> And the meeting is not the time to solve problems, just to announce or track them.
[13:13:47] <c0lo> Outside the meeting there's slack/zoom adhoc to discuss how to solve them, if you need to have such discussions.
[13:16:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Senator Amends Unrelated Bill to Force NASA to Pick Another Lunar Lander - https://sylnt.us
[13:16:48] <chromas> I've got a great business idea. How's about booting up a consultancy firm that goes around advocating for an all-meetings work system? All day, every day, everything is accomplished by way of meetings
[13:17:08] <Bytram> c0lo: Fnord666: chromas: Your chat was extremely helpful and illuminating -- I learned a lot! thank you!
[13:17:37] <chromas> Get businesses to pay big bucks to hear it, then count your monies while they're trying to figure out why efficiency is worse than when they implemented open floor plans
[13:18:07] <chromas> Don't blame me, I wasn't even there!
[13:18:42] <FatPhil> chromas: too late - pair programming was already invented by XP
[13:19:16] <chromas> That sounds like only two people. We need meetings of everyone at once, at all times
[13:19:36] <inz> You just described Sweden.
[13:19:57] <chromas> Pants on or off?
[13:20:04] <Fnord666> optional
[13:20:57] <FatPhil> but with pants off, olut compusory
[13:21:28] <inz> But they call it öl
[13:21:34] <FatPhil> wierdos
[13:21:49] <inz> at least it's short
[13:22:13] <FatPhil> not if you've got an ASCII-only kbd!
[13:22:19] <inz> which makes sense in a huffman-ish way
[13:22:23] <inz> true.
[13:22:24] <FatPhil> I guess I could DEC it: \"ol
[13:23:25] <Bytram> HexChat has a character map: öl
[13:23:52] <FatPhil> Which reminds me, I must recompile DWM for all my machines here so that the key captured for window-manager operations is the ... shock horror ... the windows key!
[13:24:27] <FatPhil> I know I would have access to all kinds of things behind the alt-key if only the window manager hadn't stolen it.
[13:24:29] <Fnord666> Swap out the keycap then it's not the windows skey anymore.
[13:24:37] <Bytram> Has no greek letters, tho. :(
[13:24:50] <Fnord666> Put a penguin on it or something
[13:24:56] <FatPhil> That's to keep Aristari at bay
[13:25:30] <Fnord666> You want greek letters, get an APL dedicated keyboard
[13:25:46] <FatPhil> no space invader characters, not interested
[13:26:19] <chromas> you also need a 🌮 key
[13:26:24] <Fnord666> Get blank keycaps, then they can mean whatever you want them to mean.
[13:26:56] <FatPhil> However, I would also demand whatever drugs are necessary to cause APL to spring into existence within the brain.
[13:27:51] <FatPhil> Looking at my kbd, the only keycaps that are completely blanked from use are 'a', 'l', and 'n'. I wonder why I've been typing 'anal' so much?
[13:28:38] <chromas> it's all those analgrams you've been measuring
[13:29:47] <chromas> Bender: grab FatPhil
[13:29:47] <Bender> Added quote 1041
[13:29:55] <FatPhil> I'm constantly disagreeing with arabic-speakers?
[13:34:29] <chromas> Seems like the bubble sort of thing you would do.
[13:40:50] <Fnord666> #martyb-thunderbird unable to join channel (invite only)
[13:57:07] <Bytram> FatPhil: I think that was from IANAL
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[14:25:34] <Bytram> laters
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[15:07:51] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://newatlas.com from the effin'-magnets dept.
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[15:58:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Identify a Missing Piece of the Lyme Disease Puzzle - https://sylnt.us - ticked-off
[18:26:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Study of Earth's Crust Hints That Supernovas Aren't Gold Mines - https://sylnt.us - Big-Badda-Boom
[18:35:57] <FatPhil> =yt Every Single Scandinavian Crime Drama
[18:35:58] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Every Single Scandinavian Crime Drama (37; 3,236,724 views; 👍228,849 👎958)
[18:39:35] <inz> Phil, my dwm eats winkeys too
[18:42:26] <bacteria> winkey, n.: a windows monkey
[18:43:53] <bacteria> hahahah that crime drama stuff is hilarious :)
[18:51:29] <FatPhil> inz: I've not noticed any Win-$KEY combos doing anything, and the last time I looked at the source (5.x), there was only one Mod key being used.
[18:52:31] <FatPhil> =yt Q9W7pvOLxmQ
[18:52:32] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Every Episode of Popular Space Show™ (01:05; 678,741 views; 👍50,152 👎429)
[18:53:49] <FatPhil> Just seen the dude on a topical comedy news program, and liked his stuff, so did some googling.
[19:35:37] <Sulla> fung shui obsidian bracelet youtube commercials are hilarious
[19:56:24] <FatPhil> Elon Musk "The Dogefather" = Shun the market - feel good
[19:56:26] <FatPhil> (anagram)
[20:00:52] <FatPhil> Youtube commercials = "A rectum is cool - buy me!"
[20:02:56] <FatPhil> = I becalm you, customer
[20:15:55] <Sulla> when does boru tend to get on?
[20:23:30] <FatPhil> He's central european time, so his start-of-day will be your late night.
[20:23:40] <Sulla> Sounds good
[20:24:27] <Sulla> I bought some pipe tobacco he suggested. Tried it but the wife says she doesn't like the smell and wants me to smoke some aromatics to cover it up. Figure i'll just send him the can as I'll never finish it
[20:53:06] <FatPhil> waste not want not!
[20:53:16] <FatPhil> I bought some shit beer - do you want the dregs?
[20:53:51] <Sulla> haha
[20:56:53] <Sulla> Just opened up one of those old hp keybords I bought for use as my version 2 conversion. Good thing i just bought it for parts, every internal fastener is broken
[20:58:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Teams Up with Google Cloud for Starlink; Plans to Send Starship to Hawaii via Space - https://sylnt.us - vacation-planning
[21:08:22] <FatPhil> some HPs were utterly terrible.
[21:09:09] <FatPhil> I think they just put a sheet of lead at the bottom, as they were incredibly heavy but so squidgy you couldn't imagine it was anything apart from chicklet-tech inside.
[21:10:26] <FatPhil> maybe that's the wrong term - I mean those horrible membranes pressed together by squidgy rubber
[21:11:14] <FatPhil> c.f. zx spectrum
[21:22:46] <Sulla> yeah
[21:22:54] <Sulla> thats what im stuck with on these, which is why all the work to convert
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[22:41:07] <bacteria> i've been exercising, feeling better :)
[22:41:12] <bacteria> gosh mt
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[22:51:21] <inz> bacteria, you'd better, there's a virus running 'round stealing your spotlight.
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[23:05:57] <chromas> where's all the stories about Tianwen-1? Is it fake news?
[23:08:16] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[23:08:17] <systemd> ^ 03Tianwen-1 LIVE from Bochum, Landing today?
[23:27:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nanotechnology Improves Cystic Fibrosis Antibiotic by 100,000-fold - https://sylnt.us - small-tech-for-small-viruses
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