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[00:32:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Making the Shift from Blue to Red for Better LEDs - https://sylnt.us
[01:36:44] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[01:36:47] <systemd> ^ 03Italian woman accidentally given six shots of Covid-19 vaccine
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[02:01:21] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[02:01:23] <systemd> ^ 03Italian woman accidentally given six shots of Covid-19 vaccine
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[02:49:19] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[02:49:23] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03DarkSide Hackers Say the Colonial Pipeline Cyber Attack Was Only About the Money" (64p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:56:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FDA Authorizes Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine for 12- to 15-Year-Olds; US Now Waiting for ACIP Approval - https://sylnt.us - one-more-step-towards-herd-immunity
[02:58:52] * AzumaHazuki just saw the good news on site :)
[03:01:48] <AzumaHazuki> awww, and the sensitive snowflakes downmodded me within 30 seconds of posting. that's gotta be a record LOL
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[03:38:53] * Runaway1956 can't help wondering if Buzzard leaving is connected to ncommander gayraging a short while ago
[03:43:22] <bacterium> what are you gonna do AzumaHazuki when all the trolls quit and you are the foul-mouthest remaining soylentil?
[03:43:38] <AzumaHazuki> Duh, not be foul-mouthed 'cause I won't need to
[03:43:49] <AzumaHazuki> may as well ask what a monster hunter will do when there's no more monsters
[03:44:48] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, so much butthurt. I don't think I've been below 45 karma in years. Ah, whatever, I can take it :D
[03:45:05] <bacterium> re monster hunter: cue alien birth scene
[03:47:29] <AzumaHazuki> do i get to call someone "one ugly motherfucker?"
[03:48:48] <Bytram> is that any better than "one beautiful motherfucker"?
[03:48:58] <Runaway1956> If she needs to be foul mouthed today, she will always need to be foul mouthed. Who the fuck does she think she's fooling?
[03:50:36] <Bytram> tact n. The ability to disagree without being disagreeable.
[03:51:16] <Runaway1956> I have some of that out in the tack shop. I like to rub it on the horses after a good day's exercise.
[03:51:41] <AzumaHazuki> diplomacy, n.: the art of telling someone to go to Hell in such a manner that they anticipate the trip
[03:53:01] <bacterium> amnesia, n.: a state of ... something something...
[03:53:36] <AzumaHazuki> raises Sp. Def. 2 stages per use
[03:53:38] <Runaway1956> ROFL:ROFL:ROFL:ROFL
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[03:53:39] <Runaway1956> LOL===__ \
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[03:53:40] <Runaway1956> I I
[03:53:43] <Runaway1956> ----------/
[03:54:48] <AzumaHazuki> Ahhh, so many delicious buttery incel tears. i've already had a shower today but why not?
[04:05:41] <c0lo> Runaway being a gratuitous dick only to be able to stick it to the left. Minor human guilty pleasures, why should being irrelevant to the discussion matter more to the others in the discussion.
[04:05:56] <c0lo> (tact vs tack)
[04:06:41] <c0lo> ROFL-ing on your own jokes, Runaway1956?
[04:07:02] <Runaway1956> No, ROFL-ing at 'zumi
[04:07:25] <Runaway1956> WTF does she know about diplomacy?
[04:07:47] <Runaway1956> I'm a complete asshole, and I can be more diplomatic than she
[04:09:00] <c0lo> You two, get a room then.
[04:09:17] <Runaway1956> Two walk in, only one walks out . . .
[04:09:22] <AzumaHazuki> lol, SO much asspain on that thread
[04:09:36] <AzumaHazuki> is mr. "50 million dead progressives" ranting at/about me in here too?
[04:09:55] <Runaway1956> It's 60 million dummy
[04:10:03] <Bytram> Runaway1956: What was that... ROFL "thing"?
[04:10:34] <Runaway1956> ROFL at 'zumi for her misappropriation of the word "diplomacy"
[04:10:44] <AzumaHazuki> doesn't he have a cross-burning to be attending somewhere...?
[04:10:57] <Runaway1956> Has she posted anything here, or on the board that was "diplomatic"?
[04:11:53] <Bytram> Doh! I have a proportional font, here. Copy/pasted to a fixed-width and made more sense.
[04:12:17] <Runaway1956> Ahhhhhh - that explains it, you couldn't see it
[04:12:39] <Runaway1956> I use Camingo Code, thanks to a prompt from Deucalion
[04:12:41] <AzumaHazuki> was he spamming ascii "art" or something? what a sperg.
[04:12:50] <Runaway1956> it makes everything look gooder
[04:13:26] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Runaway1956: I just read https://soylentnews.org
[04:13:29] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of The Mighty Buzzard (18) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[04:14:01] <Runaway1956> It's a sad day in Mudville.
[04:14:36] <Bytram> and I am in absolutely NO mood for any barbed comments of any kind right now.
[04:14:51] <Bytram> Don't poke a beehive.
[04:15:11] <Runaway1956> So, that's the end of her gloating? Thanks!
[04:16:41] <Bytram> TMB and I often didn't see eye-to-eye, but we spent a *lot* of time together on this site... him writing code and me finding out where it was borken.
[04:18:43] <Bytram> So may times he was here, pre-coffee, getting the site back up and working.
[04:23:55] <Sulla> If I could fix it with another blackberry giveaway I would, but alas, there are some problems that even blackberrys cant fix.
[04:25:56] <bacterium> if we are virteulogizing, i think tmb was often insightful, but also trolled reliably :) i am having mixed feelings
[04:26:00] bacterium is now known as bacteria
[04:26:34] <AzumaHazuki> whereas my feelings are as unmixed as new Greek wine
[04:26:46] <AzumaHazuki> hot damn does it feel good to be vindicated
[04:26:53] <Bytram> bacteria: So... you decided to... split?
[04:27:37] <Bytram> =)
[04:28:22] * Bytram cannot remember if that would be meiosis or mitosis
[04:29:00] <Bytram> (but apparently can still remember how to spell them correctly)
[04:30:19] <AzumaHazuki> mitosis, yes
[04:30:34] <AzumaHazuki> meiosis is when gametes do the double-split and end up with half a genome each
[04:32:41] <AzumaHazuki> also bacteria, just out of curiosity, are you gram-positive or gram-negative?
[04:33:37] <bacteria> it was mitosis, by means of which we traded internal turmoil for external conflict
[04:35:05] <bacteria> AzumaHazuki: we are gram-indeterminate
[04:35:35] <AzumaHazuki> okay, so i'm going to be taking levels for vanc *and* gentamicin, is what i'm hearing :v
[04:45:14] <c0lo> bytram, division (as a mean of multiplication) is just enough for bacterium.
[05:11:44] <Sulla> speaking of greek wine i need to get some metaxa
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[05:35:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Living Fossil" Thought Extinct for 273 Million Years Found Thriving on Ocean Floor - https://sylnt.us - I'm-not-saying-it's-Fukushima
[05:38:02] <bacteria> division is just mutiplication with reciprocal
[05:46:54] <mrpg> Well well well, spank my ass and call me nancy. TMB left the chat. Exit left. Im out of it for a little while and this is what happens. Told you, I was here for the gossip.
[05:49:37] <c0lo> mrpg, the best I can is calling you nancy. For spanking, present yourself at the administrative office that deals with that
[05:50:16] <mrpg> But that info is not in the wiki...
[05:51:09] <c0lo> Then, after spanking and as someone that had he experience, you can document it on wiki
[05:51:25] <mrpg> Will do
[05:51:28] <c0lo> s/had he/had the/
[05:51:28] <SedBot> <c0lo> Then, after spanking and as someone that had the experience, you can document it on wiki
[05:52:12] <mrpg> Me doing home renovations and reading the sonnets when the real story was here.
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[05:58:15] <mrpg> 2am it's late bye see you to-morrow.
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[05:58:21] <chromas> Bytram: btw that ROFL "thing" is called a ROFLcopter
[05:58:45] <c0lo> Epic, waiting for Homer to put it in dactylic hexameters, yes
[06:01:33] <Sulla> what was that game where you flew a roflcopter and tries not to crash
[06:02:23] <chromas> Homer, waiting for Epic to put a shopping cart into its store system
[06:24:38] <c0lo> Apple objects, chromas. There'll be some waiting ahead, me reckons.
[06:25:42] <chromas> I had to reread that a few times to see "objects" as a verb instead of noun
[06:26:06] <chromas> What's Apple got to do with triggering credit card fraud detection though?
[06:52:56] <bacteria> newton confirms it: apple will fall
[06:54:02] <Sulla> One can only hope
[06:57:37] <boru> #submit https://www.freebsd.org FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE released. Highlights: arm64 is now a tier 1 architecture. Lowlights: sparc64 support has been removed.
[06:57:38] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[06:57:43] <boru> ~submit https://www.freebsd.org FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE released. Highlights: arm64 is now a tier 1 architecture. Lowlights: sparc64 support has been removed.
[06:57:50] <boru> Buggeration.
[06:57:54] <chromas> =
[06:57:58] <boru> =submit https://www.freebsd.org FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE released. Highlights: arm64 is now a tier 1 architecture. Lowlights: sparc64 support has been removed.
[06:58:02] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The FreeBSD Project | FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE Release Notes" (3p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:58:37] <chromas> We need more architectures
[06:58:59] <boru> Sparc is great. It is a shame to see it go.
[06:59:23] <boru> But not having to build kernel and world for each patch set on arm64 will be nice.
[06:59:40] <boru> Tier 1 means you can use binary updates if you're using the GENERIC kernel.
[07:00:07] <boru> This box will benefit from that.
[07:00:30] <boru> Though it's not _that_ bad, since it has a SATA3 port and an SSD.
[07:02:13] <Sulla> Boru were you able to that that tobacco you wanted?
[07:03:02] <Sulla> thanks to you i started smoking again. Had 3 pounds of a local blend made up in Alaska i had forgotten about for years and it has been an exceptionally satisfying few days since
[07:10:01] <boru> Oh I bet. How did you store it?
[07:10:12] <boru> I've been meaning to buy some new mason jars for my next shop run.
[07:10:28] <boru> I haven't managed to get over to .ch just yet. Might be heading out next month, but I'll certainly let you know.
[07:12:25] <Sulla> Been storing them in mason jars for two years
[07:12:43] <Sulla> quite a lot of loss in quality, but still good. unsure how to restore
[07:15:43] <Sulla> Also got very lucky. A couple of years back my wife bought me a large bowl'd church warden, my favorite form factor. But the damn pipe got burnout. Apparently I used it lightly enough throughout the years that the crack it had filled with tar enough to become a great pipe.
[07:17:59] * boru chuckles.
[07:18:01] <boru> Nice when that happens.
[07:18:18] <boru> Not a fan of the warden, myself.
[07:21:37] <boru> I've got a good mix of pipes, different shapes that fit well in the hand with big bowls, but a few sitters for when I'm working and need both hands, as well.
[07:21:52] <Sulla> i dont like the small bowl ones, but big bowl ones are good unless im driving
[07:22:01] <Sulla> in general corncob is good enough
[07:22:43] <boru> I've mostly Irish and Danish styles, all briarwood, bar one bog oak one someone had custom made as a gift for me in Croatia.
[07:23:13] <Sulla> Nice
[07:23:18] <Sulla> off and on I use one i carved out of walnut
[07:23:42] <boru> How does that smoke? Probably wouldn't want to put something hot like Virginia in that.
[07:23:52] <boru> I prefer canted styles, personally.
[07:24:16] <Sulla> for the one I made out of walnut its basically just a big octagon with a hole. got it looking real nice
[07:24:23] <Sulla> have had zero issues with anythin give put in it
[07:24:51] <boru> Good enough, then.
[07:25:06] <Sulla> i think walnut takes more temp to burn than other woods anyways
[07:25:35] <boru> Hmm, I'd be surprised it if beat bog oak or briarwood, but briarwood is a bit cheaper, so it may well do.
[07:25:47] <boru> I must keep an eye out for one.
[07:26:10] <Sulla> https://pipedia.org
[07:26:11] <systemd> ^ 03Pipes in Other Woods - Pipedia
[07:28:27] <boru> Interesting.
[07:28:51] <Sulla> Ebony pipe
[07:28:57] <Sulla> we got a rich guy article here
[07:29:27] <boru> Well, he's making them himself so fair enough, I'd say.
[07:30:02] <boru> Interesting read, though.
[07:30:15] <Sulla> Think I'll try to hop down to the lumber shop and get a hunk of ebony this week
[07:30:17] <Sulla> that sounds like fun
[07:30:31] <Sulla> i want to get a larger bowl mersham
[07:30:47] <Sulla> but hard to find that doesn't have a design that feels weird
[07:32:14] <boru> Not familiar with that one.
[07:32:47] <boru> Unless you mean a meerschaum, but those are made of rock.
[07:33:19] <Sulla> yeah thats what I meant. had a small one I used a number of years and it wa sfun watching the color change
[07:33:19] <boru> Never tried one of those.
[07:34:33] <Sulla> They start off white as snow and to my understanding they change colors over the years due to the oils from the tobacco
[07:34:45] <boru> Aye, something like that, iirc.
[07:34:58] <boru> I've seen some beautifully carved ones in shops, but I've never smoked one.
[07:35:00] <Sulla> my friends older brother finally got his in the full amber color that looked nice after like a decade
[07:36:44] <boru> Bah, now I want to go to the pipe shop again.
[07:36:49] <Sulla> haha
[07:37:01] <boru> I've 6 pipes in rotation, but it never hurts to have more so they can rest a bit.
[07:37:05] <Sulla> i need o get an order in to my shop up in alaska to get some fresh tobacco
[07:37:20] <Sulla> I have two i use
[07:37:34] <Sulla> but im a barbarian and will smoke endless bowls straight w
[07:37:40] <boru> I'd recommend that lat heavy tobacco I mentioned. Smokes dry in the bowl, good grey ash. Almost like a cigar.
[07:37:46] <boru> And a very cool smoke, no bite.
[07:37:52] <Sulla> I'll have to pick some up
[07:38:02] <Sulla> ive never had latikia, but the cigar shop owner smokes it exclusively
[07:38:06] <boru> C&D DaVinci it's called.
[07:38:15] <Sulla> ill order some
[07:38:28] <boru> Aye, it's not one to smoke in the house, but it's a great evening smoke, sitting outside with a glass of whiskey.
[07:39:06] <boru> Keeps the flies away in the Summer, as well.
[07:39:18] <Sulla> I put in a gravel parking space in my back yard to park my truck in
[07:39:31] <Sulla> so ill take the laptop out there, work from home, and smoke
[07:39:39] <boru> Now you're talking.
[07:40:16] <Sulla> its fun to get back into smoking after not doing it pretty much the whole pandemic so far
[07:40:53] <boru> Ah, it's a nice pass time. Good time to think.
[07:41:02] <Sulla> sweet they accept paypal, ordered some of that c and d
[07:41:37] <boru> I hope you like it. It's a real lat bomb.
[07:42:04] <boru> Once I finish up what I have here of this Old Dublin from Peterson, I'll have to sort out a new order.
[07:42:24] <boru> That's also a nice latakia smoke, fwiw.
[07:42:39] <Sulla> I wish i knew what the stuff I'm currenlty smoking is
[07:42:39] <boru> It's been my go to for years.
[07:42:53] <Sulla> wife smelled it the tobacco shop up in alska and told me to get a few pounds
[07:45:37] <Sulla> Need to figure out how long term storage is and really stock up on the stuff before taxes increase again
[07:45:39] <boru> Heh, good on her. My other half isn't much of a fan of the heavy lat stuff, but some of the lighter stuff, sure. She likes the Peterson Deluxe Mixture, at lot. I usually get people asking me what it is when I'm out for a walk with the pipe or down at the Biergarten.
[07:46:29] <boru> Aye, feckin taxes. I was thinking about finding some fellas growing it down in the Balkans and blend it myself.
[07:46:48] <boru> Give them a few bottles of Irish whiskey for some leaves. That sort of arrangement.
[07:47:32] <Sulla> I have a bunch of seed planted
[07:47:37] <Sulla> will see how it turns out
[07:47:56] <boru> Good luck. I'd be interested to hear about how it goes.
[07:48:20] <Sulla> Don Garcia was hanging out at the cigar shop a few months ago
[07:48:42] <Sulla> talking about how oregon would grow great tobacco because he could feel it in the soil
[07:48:46] <Sulla> gave me some seeds to try out
[07:48:54] <boru> Heh, that's pretty cool.
[07:48:56] <Sulla> he's the guy who runs My Father Cigars
[07:49:47] <boru> All you'll need then is a flue to cure your latakia.
[07:50:44] <boru> Actually, when I lived in Scotland, there was a really great blender there. They had a lat heavy Balkan mixture, but it was topped with mollasses. That stuff was incredible. Normally I'm not a fan of aromatics or topped non-aromatics, but that was good stuff.
[07:50:44] <Sulla> Alright i need to sleep. I'll catch you later. Good talking
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[07:51:00] <boru> He sure wasn't joking.
[07:57:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Research Results Challenge a Decades-Old Mechanism of How We Hear Sounds - https://sylnt.us - with-our-ears
[08:09:21] <Runaway1956> Hah! I caught you! Subversive talk about TOBACCO!
[08:09:45] <Runaway1956> You guys should be proud to pay your sin taxes, not trying to avoid them!
[08:10:23] * Runaway1956 will never admit to buying his smokes at the Indian reservation where there are no taxes
[08:15:07] <chromas> Sin tax error! Sin tax error!
[08:16:20] <boru> Very clever.
[08:19:33] * chromas t-rexes
[08:20:57] <boru> JFC, cmake has to be one of the worst bloody build systems in existence. I'd almost go so far as to say that I prefer gnu autotools, and that is saying something.
[08:21:54] <FatPhil> I don't think I've ever had the misfortune of using cmake, I do know that autotools are an abomination.
[08:22:16] <Ingar> well at least there's configure --help
[08:22:34] <Ingar> cmake is a d -DGUESSTHEFUNKYCONFIGVAR:SOMETYPE=whatever
[08:22:39] <Ingar> + mess
[08:22:39] <boru> I wrote a very modular build system incrementally over a few years which, after seeing it, was luckily adopted at most places I've worked.
[08:23:06] <FatPhil> autotools seems to be designed to cope with the problem that not all libcs have bzero(). Guess what - autotools isn't the only solution to that problem.
[08:23:09] <boru> And has been around for quite some time.
[08:23:31] <boru> Indeed. For embedded stuff, thankfully I don't need those autogenerating build systems.
[08:23:32] <Ingar> as long as the project doesnt use scons
[08:23:51] <boru> Or what's that other shitty one where you have to write python?
[08:24:03] <FatPhil> that's the linux kernel nowadays isn't it?
[08:24:13] <boru> I don't remember the name.
[08:25:00] <boru> Waf. That is it. I really hate the poothon community with a passion.
[08:25:38] <boru> Of course, one trick ponies love that sort of nonsense.
[08:25:44] <boru> "I only know python so I think waf is the best!"
[08:25:55] <boru> Cretins.
[08:26:29] <FatPhil> :)
[08:27:16] <Ingar> "ohnoes itsa snake"
[08:27:35] <FatPhil> One of the problems with that infiltration is that the argument "sorry, perl got there first, by 15 years. we know it's not a great language, but it's there already, sorry, you lost the race" seemed to completely wooosh them.
[08:28:15] <boru> Funnily enough, they were both developed around the same time, so when I hear them say "yeah, but Perl is so old!", I am only filled with utter disdain.
[08:28:58] <FatPhil> The counter of "no it isn't" to their "but python's everywhere too" seemed to fall on deaf ears too.
[08:29:58] <boru> Or how everything has to be py-this or that-py or py-this-py-that.py and has WRITTEN IN PYTHON in every available nook and cranny.
[08:30:25] <boru> I hope we can colonise and terraform Mars soon so that we can leave the python users behind.
[08:31:02] * boru goes on a grumpy walk to make more coffee.
[08:31:26] <FatPhil> can't we send the python programmers ahead on the b-ark?
[08:33:18] <c0lo> Drop them in the Sun. Recovering the energy of the fall is a plus if you can do it.
[08:33:27] <boru> "Oh no, we missed and now they are on a collision course towards the radioactive Hell that is the planet Jupiter. The mission control software must have been WRITTEN IN PYTHON."
[08:34:10] <FatPhil> the inertial guidence systems indeed must be written in python, eat your own dogfood.
[08:34:45] <c0lo> boru: s/PYTHON/PYTHON2/
[08:34:45] <SedBot> <c0lo> <boru> "Oh no, we missed and now they are on a collision course towards the radioactive Hell that is the planet Jupiter. The mission control software must have been WRITTEN IN PYTHON2."
[08:35:16] <FatPhil> indeed - garbage collection would be needed
[08:35:24] <FatPhil> but it would be a more fun tast in python0.9
[08:35:51] <boru> Morelike python-2-no-3-no-3.7.x³-q.thursday-compatible-only
[08:36:10] <boru> Jupiter would be doing the garbage collecting.
[08:36:48] <c0lo> https://en.wikipedia.org "A change in integer division functionality: in Python 2, 5 / 2 is 2;"
[08:36:50] <systemd> ^ 03History of Python - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[08:37:52] <boru> That ought to be a fairly short article. "A History of Python: It is shit."
[08:37:59] <c0lo> Good enough for mission control software.
[08:39:44] <chromas> Is Python a Nestlé peoduct?
[08:40:22] * c0lo hands chromas an r, expects an e in return
[08:40:25] <chromas> the pylib thing reminds me of when they changed their instant chocolate beverage name to Nestlé Nesquik
[08:40:59] <chromas> I was totally making a pung while disparaging python users as peons
[08:41:16] <chromas> no mistakes here, nosiree ma'am
[08:41:22] * c0lo hands an n to chromas
[08:41:28] <boru> That was awful. Stand in the corner.
[08:43:30] <chromas> oh you're right, I meant neons
[08:46:24] <chromas> I can't remember what it was, but I was building something awhile back that used javascript, python and ruby or something in its build system
[08:46:57] <chromas> fortunately it was an aur package so I just had to run makepkg after installing a bunch of stuff
[08:51:06] <FatPhil> Jupiter will have become part of the language eventually, I'm sure.
[08:58:26] <c0lo> =submit the-tyranny-of-RTFA https://www.vox.com
[08:58:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Vox" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:59:56] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[08:59:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Verge" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:00:44] <c0lo> systemd falls a lot behind with those ever-progressing titles
[09:03:01] <c0lo> Hook them young for a few moar years https://edition.cnn.com
[09:03:04] <systemd> ^ 03More than 40 attorneys general urge Facebook to stop plans for an Instagram for kids
[09:07:38] <FatPhil> Yousall vague approximations to smart people - whaddya make of this riddle: https://www.popularmechanics.com
[09:07:39] <systemd> ^ 03Riddle of the Week #12: Licking Frogs
[09:09:08] <boru> They sort of give it away at the end comparing it to the Monty Hall problem.
[09:12:45] <FatPhil> that's where the intrigue starts though...
[09:13:33] <FatPhil> I intimately know monty hall, I've had to argue against wrongthinkers who ust don't get it many a time on usenet.
[09:14:27] <FatPhil> but I think they've framed the puzzle incorrectly, and the actual answer might be the idiot's 50% rather than the geniouse's 67%.
[09:14:58] <c0lo> 50% in both cases to my mind.
[09:16:20] <c0lo> You know one of the 2 frogs in the clearing will not help you (without knowing which) and the other one may help you with 50% chances.
[09:16:50] <FatPhil> that's the idiot's 50%, though
[09:17:09] <c0lo> Chanses being equal, a single frog is easier to catch than 2.
[09:17:29] <FatPhil> If you remove croaking from the setup, then there's a 2/3 change the other is F
[09:17:43] <FatPhil> that's the geniouse's 67%
[09:18:03] <FatPhil> *BUT* they introduced the croaking, and that changes the puzzle.
[09:18:30] <boru> I think they're spherical frogs in this problem.
[09:19:11] <FatPhil> There are 16 possibilities, not all equiprobable, but once you've crossed out the excluded ones, you're left with 4 equiprobable ones.
[09:19:33] <FatPhil> If you're interested, I can write up a little webpage to explain my logic.
[09:19:59] <FatPhil> it's a bit too wordy for IRC, I'd say.
[09:20:07] <FatPhil> however, first - runch!
[09:21:26] <c0lo> MMc, McM, FMc, McF - 50-50 you get a female by considering the c(roacking)
[09:22:06] <c0lo> Vs MM, MF by disconsidering which one croaked.
[09:25:04] <FatPhil> yup, that 50-50 is the hyperguru answer I arrive at.
[09:25:48] <c0lo> (and you need a little web page for that?)
[09:26:52] <FatPhil> nope, but to justify equiprobability of the 4 cases you do
[09:27:16] <FatPhil> putting things in a list doesn't make them equiprobable
[09:41:01] <c0lo> then you must consider McMc in phase too.
[09:45:23] <c0lo> https://www.reddit.com
[09:45:26] <systemd> ^ 03r/Art - Shadow Art from Trash, Tim Noble and Sue Webster, 2018
[09:45:38] <FatPhil> in phase would be twice the amplitude
[09:45:55] <FatPhil> plus stereo
[09:46:49] <c0lo> Not that you'd be able to tell, not having a comparison term to assess "Is it double loud or not"
[09:50:20] <c0lo> =submit https://www.motherjones.com
[09:50:23] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Researchers Say They've Uncovered a Massive Facebook Bot Farm From the 2020 Election" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:51:14] <c0lo> ^^^ Comparitech, a British cybersecurity company
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[10:27:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's OSIRIS-REx Spacecraft Begins Return to Earth with Asteroid Sample - https://sylnt.us
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[13:07:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Glass-Bottomed Bridge In China Fails Real World Physics Test - https://sylnt.us - do-NOT-look-down
[13:30:34] <Bytram> Does anybody here know how to get https://archive.org to rescan our entire site? It looks to be a while since they did a full scan. See, e.g.: https://web.archive.org*/https://soylentnews.org/authors.pl
[13:30:35] <systemd> ^ 03Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine
[13:30:36] <systemd> ^ 03Wayback Machine
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[15:29:37] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.nytimes.com from the e-therapy dept.
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[15:37:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Pitfall Builds its World - https://sylnt.us - fraught-with-pitfalls
[16:24:07] <chromas> Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure was pretty kickass. I still have the Cd somewhere
[16:24:26] <chromas> not sure where I played the original since I never had an Atari
[16:25:13] <chromas> Pitfall was when I discovered mixed-mode CDs too
[16:30:58] <chromas> "The Windows 95 port of Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure was showcased by Bill Gates at E3 1995 to promote the then-upcoming DirectX for his platform, despite the conversion being launched three months before the first incarnation of DirectX and Kinesoft did not use any tools from said technology."
[16:49:08] <Sulla> I only remember the pitfall on the NES
[16:49:23] <Sulla> and as far as i can tell that game was a scam to make kids to think positively about suicide
[16:50:23] <chromas> It's true. I killed myself dozens of times.
[16:50:52] <chromas> Also, how did you come to such a conclusion as that?
[17:00:04] <chromas> What's your opinion on GORILLAS.BAS?
[17:00:50] * chromas got in the habit of murdering gorillas with exploding bananas because of thar game
[17:01:10] <Sulla> The least most enjoyable game i ever played
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[17:44:45] <mrpg> Silence is the element in which great things fashion themselves. -- Thomas Carlyle
[18:06:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Neanderthals Carb Loaded, Helping Grow Their Big Brains; Fossils of 9 Found in Italian Cave - https://sylnt.us - Groundbreaking
[18:15:28] <mrpg> Italy, pasta, carbs, ok.
[18:22:02] <AzumaHazuki> mamma mia
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[18:48:25] <SoyCow90210> =asub https://www.infoworld.com
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[18:56:03] <SoyCow90210> =asub https://www.businessinsider.com
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[18:56:24] <SoyCow90210> =asub https://www.businessinsider.com
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[19:05:35] <mrpg> Good, we are workers and we try to get along, not a family. That's sincere.
[19:06:02] <mrpg> J&J a family company
[19:10:07] <FatPhil> Getting along is sooooo 20th century
[19:39:52] <mrpg> The software company Basecamp instituted a ban on political discussions [businessinsider.com] in April, which led to the departure of at least 18 employees.
[19:40:07] <mrpg> Rings close to home hehe
[19:43:02] <Sulla> I think it could work but even many science discussions are politically related
[20:12:36] <SoyCow90210> It's not like you get to choose your family, right?
[20:13:26] <SoyCow90210> and I see what you did there mrpg
[20:38:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE Release Notes - https://sylnt.us - Who-remembers-when-'286-and-'386-and-'486-were-the-latest-and-fastest?
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[23:06:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Psychedelic Drug Passes a Big Test for PTSD Treatment - https://sylnt.us
[23:24:34] <Runaway1956> Does anyone know how many Johns there are at Hopkins University?
[23:24:48] <Runaway1956> I never figured out why there are multiple johns there
[23:26:47] <mrpg> bathrooms?
[23:26:58] <mrpg> prostitutes clients?
[23:27:18] <Runaway1956> Ahhhh, found it - his great-grandmother's maiden name was Johns
[23:28:01] <Runaway1956> Margaret Johns married Gerard Hopkins, and they named their baby boy Johns Hopkins, and the famous Johns Hopkins is that man's grandson
[23:31:22] <Runaway1956> He sounds like a decent kind of guy, except for being a Quaker
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[23:55:57] <mrpg> “the only interesting thing about vertebrates is the neural crest.
[23:56:01] <mrpg> "