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[01:13:26] <systemd> https://youtube.com - 4K: SpaceX's Starship prototype SN15 lands successfully in Boca Chica, Texas! (53; 2,415 views; 👍398 👎3)
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[01:59:36] <c0lo> teehee, what can go wrong? https://www.rawstory.com
[01:59:37] <systemd> ^ 03Trump believes it is not his 'call' to help Rudy Giuliani with his legal expenses: report
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[02:37:23] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[02:37:25] <systemd> ^ 03Orioles pitcher could have had a perfect game, but for one weird baseball rule
[02:58:57] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, lol, another idiot expecting loyalty from trump
[03:07:57] <bacterium> i suspect that with this specific idiot, donny will have to pay one way or the other
[03:09:21] <bacterium> rudy may just be saying, you have to pick up this check, or else the cooked turkey will come back to life and start singing
[03:11:00] <bacterium> he may be worth like 45 milion, but after a few years of fending off multiple lawsuits, including torts from dc police, he will probably land in the gutter
[03:14:27] <bacterium> though dc police ain't after him yet... but he's got voting machine corp on his ass, and i am sure he feels like that's directly for doing don's dirty work
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[04:05:21] <c0lo> Not enough fish in that enchilada yesterday, FatPhil https://www.theguardian.com
[04:05:22] <systemd> ^ 03French fishers threaten to blockade Jersey ports as row escalates
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[05:15:16] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
[05:15:17] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[05:15:40] <Runaway1956> https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com
[05:15:41] <systemd> ^ 03Customer Draws a Gun When Armed BLM Members Storm a Louisville Restaurant [VIDEO] - The Truth About Guns
[05:16:18] <Runaway1956> That's exactly the shit I keep warning about
[05:16:58] <Sulla> ?
[05:17:32] <Runaway1956> If/when the shootin' starts, it won't stop as long as there are targets left to shoot at
[05:18:03] <Runaway1956> Those protests need to be taken off the streets, and taken into the capitol buildings
[05:18:22] <Sulla> Eh
[05:18:33] <Sulla> the right is cucks, they will just surrender to an officer
[05:18:35] <Runaway1956> And, for God's sake, stop threatening random people along the way
[05:23:33] <Sulla> tbh for their cause thats part of it
[05:24:55] <Sulla> nobody is innocent in that ideology just varying degrees of guilty
[05:32:37] <chromas> https://www.theonion.com
[05:32:38] <systemd> ^ 03‘You’re Deleting Your Account? We’ll Be Sad To See You Go,’ Says Facebook Prompt Showing User Photo Of Own Dead Body
[05:33:24] <Sulla> lol
[05:42:17] <Sulla> https://ibb.co
[05:42:18] <systemd> ^ 03IMG-20210505-224045-323
[05:42:32] <Sulla> keyboard ended up being a tallmaster to fit everything inside
[05:43:34] <Sulla> 43cm vs 17.5cm
[05:43:45] <Sulla> gonna have to rebuild my desk
[05:44:34] <Runaway1956> lol
[05:45:05] <Runaway1956> Looks like much work for little return from where I sit. ;^)
[05:45:14] <Sulla> you dont get it
[05:45:19] <Sulla> you gota see the keys on this mf
[05:45:33] <Runaway1956> I think that' it - I don't get it
[05:45:36] <Sulla> https://www.ebay.com
[05:45:36] <Sulla> 3599881790ab847085a311fff48e90%7Ciid%3A1
[05:45:37] <systemd> ^ 03HP C1422A 5181-2692 Terminal Keyboard No cable
[05:45:39] <Sulla> look at those keys
[05:45:43] <Runaway1956> maybe if I could put my hands on it,
[05:46:51] <Runaway1956> That's it - just mail it to me when you finish, so I can appreciate it
[05:46:56] <Sulla> HP put those glorious keys on a rubber dome keyboard
[05:47:00] <Sulla> the bastards
[05:47:14] <Sulla> the keys are too large to just make an adapter so they can work on a modern keyboard
[05:47:24] <Sulla> so i had to make a new psb and wire to it to get the spacing right
[05:48:01] <Runaway1956> Do you think you could adapt an old Underwood keyboard for use with my computer next?
[05:48:26] <Sulla> SNs greatest hero DECbot was gonna 3d print me some adapters. But the absolute madman Hemo is gonna cnc em out of bamboo
[05:48:27] <Runaway1956> That may be asking a bit much - maybe a nice early Selectric?
[05:48:29] <Sulla> link me
[05:49:18] <Sulla> the underwood typewriter is all im coming up with in ebay
[05:49:25] <Runaway1956> https://theoldtimey.com
[05:49:26] <systemd> ^ 03Underwood Typewriter Models: A Vintage Guide
[05:49:28] <Sulla> tons of typewriter keycaps
[05:49:31] <Sulla> on amazon
[05:49:38] <Runaway1956> Yes, it's a beautiful keyboard,
[05:49:55] <Runaway1956> I prefer the black keys over the white
[05:50:18] <Sulla> black key with brass letters is pretty
[05:50:49] <Runaway1956> That's the "vintage" page - I don't think the one I learned on was quite that old
[05:51:00] <Runaway1956> hard to tell just looking though
[05:51:16] <Sulla> would actually be an easyish mod
[05:51:49] <Sulla> cut the keys off near the stem (preferably from a unservicable one) then make a adapter to go between whatever the stem on those is and cherry mx
[05:52:19] <Runaway1956> lol - THAT would be a lot of work for little return
[05:52:28] <Runaway1956> bragging rights would be all you get from it
[05:52:57] <Sulla> id have a hard time destroying a typewriter to do it though
[05:53:00] <Sulla> seems wasteful
[05:53:15] <Runaway1956> agreed - but there are those who destroy shit just for fun
[05:53:35] <Sulla> yeah thats not something i understand
[05:53:41] <Runaway1956> There's a big chasm between my sons and I over that kind of shit
[05:54:22] <Sulla> when I was younger I didn't care as much
[05:55:01] <Runaway1956> Even as a kid, I felt like a shithead when I took something apart, and couldn't put it back together
[05:56:16] <Runaway1956> Timex and those old Big Ben alarm clocks were my most frequent forays into disassemby and attempted repairs
[05:56:42] <Sulla> that would be fun
[05:56:45] <Runaway1956> then came the radios, the ones with vacuum tubes in them
[05:57:02] <Runaway1956> I actually accidentally fixed a few of those
[05:57:35] <Sulla> Ive taken apart a couple of real old tvs, never done old radios though
[05:58:09] <Runaway1956> Back in my youth, kids weren't allowed to touch a television - something about magic smoke and such
[05:58:24] <Sulla> i remember a lot of warnings that i ignored
[05:58:46] <Runaway1956> You had to be 21 years old, and have a Top Secret Clearance from the CIA and the Pentagon to look inside a TV
[05:58:57] <Sulla> lol
[06:00:12] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah, I think it was Joe McCarthy than enforced that rule
[06:00:48] <Sulla> He needed it stay a state secret to fight the commies
[06:01:13] <chromas> Don't cut the keys off a typewriter; just wrap the drum with some thick foil and make the strikers be the switches
[06:03:53] <Sulla> yeah that would work
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[06:30:17] <c0lo> Runaway1956, CIA clearance and that high voltage electron gun for the scanning beam. Had a capacitor that stays charged even when the TV set was disconnected.
[06:33:42] <Runaway1956> Yeah c0lo I heard stories of televisions zapping people weeks after they were unplugged
[06:34:14] <Runaway1956> I really don't know how accurate the stories were - there were more credible statements that it took 24 hours to discharge them
[06:36:09] <Runaway1956> After 13 years, I finally watched 'The Man from Earth' - it certainly isn't the story I presumed it to be.
[08:07:26] <FatPhil> I liked /the man from earth/ - I gave it 7/10 which is a score I only hand out if there's something special about it.
[08:08:15] <FatPhil> not to be confused with /the man who fell to earth/ (1976) which was pretty good too.
[08:10:11] <FatPhil> Did you ever see /K-Pax/ (2001)? I really liked that one too.
[08:56:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Starship SN15 Survives Launch and Landing - https://sylnt.us - science-fiction^w-reality
[09:15:39] <FatPhil> https://thebulletin.org
[09:15:40] <systemd> ^ 03The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan? - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
[09:28:16] <FatPhil> =submit https://nicholaswade.medium.com
[09:28:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Origin of Covid — Following the Clues | by Nicholas Wade | May, 2021 | Medium" (183p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:28:29] <FatPhil> same story, different site.
[09:29:23] <FatPhil> clearly the two stories were written independently of each other, it's pure coincidence that they just happen to have the same author and are about the same topic.
[09:44:06] <Runaway1956> FatPhil - if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on the virus escaping one of the labs.
[09:44:43] <Runaway1956> Primary reason, is that woman who informed the world that she was working on the COVID virus,
[09:45:10] <Runaway1956> Secondary reason, is that the Chinese government found shortcomings in inspections
[09:45:40] <Runaway1956> Tertiary reason, almost immediately after the initial outbreak, Chinese government ordered all kinds of crap destroyed in the labs
[09:46:12] <Runaway1956> And, if we needed a fourth reason, that would be the scientists who are unavailable for interviews, etc
[10:00:24] <boru> I think it's as likely that the leak was manufactured CIA operatives over there who tried to use the wet market story as a cover up because of Western countries making trade alliances with China, thus reducing the influence, control amd relevance of the USA.
[10:00:49] <boru> They have a history of those sorts of operations, both at home and abroad, afterall.
[10:01:36] <boru> As for your third reason, where was that announced? I doubt any nation would annouce details of their weapons programs to the public like that.
[10:09:53] <boru> As for it being a weapon, it seemed fairly tame at the beginning, though I've read that's desirable for some strategic biological weapons; create something fairly innocuous so that it spreads intercontinentally before countries close their borders, and then wait for mutations.
[10:10:16] <boru> Or wait for it to mutate to resist vaccines and what not.
[10:11:25] <boru> It certainly seems to have fairly good survivability for a diverse range of environments.
[10:13:17] <chromas> Embracing diversity? Clearly a corporate construct
[10:15:48] <boru> Not that I give much credit to what journalists have to say, but we do seem to be seeing more dangerous strains cropping up around the world; the South African variant, the UK variant, and now the Indian variant.
[10:20:49] <c0lo> How covid got ito this world is irrelevant. You can bet there are enough viruses in the wild just waiting to jump to human hosts. There were and will be other significant epidemics.
[10:20:58] <c0lo> https://en.wikipedia.org
[10:21:00] <systemd> ^ 03List of epidemics - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[10:21:31] <c0lo> (sort them descendent by date - you will see some are ongoing)
[10:22:26] <c0lo> What is relevant - how prepared is humanity to deal with them.
[10:22:36] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: All of the pro-natural arguments are weak, and all of the anti-lab arguments are either weak or straight from the mouths of people who were paid money to push an anti-lab narrative.
[10:22:44] <boru> I think you've contradicted yourself.
[10:23:33] <boru> If a crime has been committed i.e. that the weapon has been intentially released, how is that irrelevant? One way we can deal with the aftermath is not developing biological weapons.
[10:23:40] <boru> Intentionally, even.
[10:24:22] <boru> I don't think it's constructive to sweep how it got out into the world under the carpet.
[10:24:22] <c0lo> Which is a weak guarantee that you won't have pandemics.
[10:24:40] <boru> Natural pandemics are one thing, man-made pandemics are another.
[10:25:17] <c0lo> boru, and you will do want with the "real" knowledge about how covid came to be?
[10:26:02] <boru> Try to have the development of biological weapons banned internationally.
[10:26:37] <boru> The current would be a good demonstration of a reason to do so, don't you think?
[10:26:45] <boru> Current situation. Feh.
[10:26:53] * boru kldload coffee.ko
[10:27:31] <FatPhil> but it wasn't a weaaaaaapon, it was reeeeesearch to help us
[10:27:38] <FatPhil> think of the babbies!
[10:27:46] <c0lo> Ok. And? What guarantees you you won't have a pandemic of a airborne mutant of Hendra virus, for example?
[10:27:49] <boru> To apply reducio ad absurdum, why not just release all biological weapons on the world, so long as we can deal with the epidemics?
[10:27:51] <c0lo> https://en.wikipedia.org
[10:27:52] <systemd> ^ 03Hendra virus - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[10:28:22] <chromas> Chinese stimulus package. Release virus; sell record amounts of dollar store masks, webcams & rtx 6800s; stonks
[10:28:26] <boru> Please work on your reading comprehension. I have differentiated between natural pandemics and man-made pandemics more than once.
[10:28:50] <c0lo> If the humanity can defend against pandemics, what does biological weapons even mean, boru?
[10:29:10] <boru> Are you being serious, now?
[10:29:28] <c0lo> yes, I'm serious.
[10:29:33] <chromas> We should maximize global warming.If we don't, nature's just going to eventually do it anyhow
[10:29:48] <boru> How does that change the context of what a biological weapon is?
[10:30:03] <boru> Or any weapon, even?
[10:30:24] <c0lo> If the humanity can defend against bow/arrow who the heel are using them as WMD?
[10:30:25] <FatPhil> is it the difference between a flower and a weed?
[10:30:34] <c0lo> s/heel/hell/
[10:30:34] <SedBot> <c0lo> If the humanity can defend against bow/arrow who the hell are using them as WMD?
[10:31:06] <chromas> banks of course
[10:31:12] <c0lo> Think cost/benefit.
[10:31:25] <chromas> print dat money. inflate me to the poorhouse, please
[10:31:30] <boru> If you have the cure for X, I would develop Y as a weapon. That should be simple enough to grok.
[10:33:01] <boru> There are two major types of biological weapons: kill humans now or kill humans later.
[10:33:06] <c0lo> If mRNA proves to be an easy technique to derive vaccines, why would you spend zillions of men-hours to attack?
[10:33:12] <boru> In the latter case, the pandemic has already happened before you realise it has.
[10:35:16] <boru> mRNA isn't magic, nor is it guaranteed to work. See CRISPR and CAS/9 experiments, where mRNA application was apparently morally bankrupt, but now it's not, suddenly.
[10:35:22] <c0lo> You assume quite a latency between infection to an escalation of deadly effects.
[10:35:31] <boru> In the case of covid19, you can still get covid after vaccination.
[10:35:41] <boru> The virus can still mutate meaning your vaccine is useless.
[10:36:09] <boru> Yes, that is the point of the latter type of biological weapon. Try to keep yp.
[10:36:30] <FatPhil> seychelles, AZ, and SA variant for example
[10:36:55] <c0lo> boru, high mutation rate means the attacker is not safe himself. You'd need an irrational player.
[10:37:13] <FatPhil> oh, we have those
[10:37:23] <boru> You've been watching too many Tom Clancy films.
[10:37:26] <c0lo> While those do exist, banning biological weapons won't stop them.
[10:37:53] <c0lo> =w tokyo sarin
[10:37:54] <systemd> The Tokyo subway sarin attack (地下鉄サリン事件, Chikatetsu Sarin Jiken, &quot;Subway Sarin Incident&quot;) was an act of domestic terrorism perpetrated on 20 March 1995 - https://en.wikipedia.org
[10:37:59] <boru> Biological weapons, like most WMD, are deterrents.
[10:38:12] <c0lo> Nope.
[10:38:22] <boru> Good argument.
[10:38:33] <boru> Got a citation for "nope"?
[10:38:35] <boru> JFC.
[10:39:54] <boru> NBC weapons are classified as deterrents by most countries who develop them.
[10:40:11] <boru> i.e. don't use yours or we'll use ours.
[10:40:37] <c0lo> Simple. In the case of biological weapons, you can't guarantee your survival after your own attack.
[10:40:52] <boru> The exception are strategic weapons. In the case of biological weapons, the kill humans now type I referred to above.
[10:41:35] <FatPhil> that doesn't stop them from being deterrents
[10:41:37] <boru> Those types of weapons have very different characteristics e.g. the weapon dies in a very short period time.
[10:41:58] <c0lo> A weapon is a weapon only if if can control who is at the hot end of it.
[10:42:06] <boru> Really, I'd recommend doing some basic research about biological weapons, rather than scrambling for answers on wikipedia.
[10:42:24] <FatPhil> if you are presuming state actors are rational, you're sorely misguided.
[10:42:25] <c0lo> because you did, boru?
[10:42:34] <boru> Yes, actually. I have.
[10:42:52] <c0lo> cool. I'll do it when I'll have time.
[10:43:49] <c0lo> In the meanwhile, explain how a natural virus causing a pandemic is different from an engineered one that causes a pandemic.
[10:44:07] <boru> Why?
[10:50:45] <FatPhil> one was more preventable than the other
[10:52:13] <c0lo> And when the one you can't prevent hits, what are we going to do?
[10:53:02] * c0lo gonna elect trump as the head of the CDC
[10:53:49] <FatPhil> that's a different question
[10:54:06] <FatPhil> are you satisfied that I answered your prior one, before we move on?
[10:54:14] <boru> I don't know how you've suddenly decided that I think preparedness for epidemics is bad or should not be improved.
[10:55:08] <boru> I have stated, if you read the scrollback, that the source of the current covid pandemic is not irrelevant, but somehow you've extrapolated that I have said something else entirely.
[10:55:56] <boru> What does Donald Trump have to do with it, either? Pandemic preparedness is a global effort, not just the job of the CDC, or any single institution.
[10:55:57] <c0lo> FatPhil, backtracking to the point I made previously, that developing the capacity to react to pandemics is more important than banning biological weapons.
[10:57:00] <boru> Are you from the USA? I thought you were Australian.
[10:57:43] * c0lo concedes the point that the source of covid may be relevant, but continues to argue that the preparedness is more relevant than that
[10:59:13] <boru> That is fine. You are entitled to your opinion, but please read what I write before you jump to any conclusions about what mine might be.
[10:59:34] * c0lo is still in Australia. the trump reference was tongue-in-cheek to what happens when you are more than unprepared, unwilling to spend for preparedness.
[10:59:42] <FatPhil> c0lo: your response to my question in no way answers my question, it's barely related.
[11:00:09] <chromas> I think c0lo no-so-secretly masturbates to Trump. He sure thinks about him a lot
[11:00:30] <FatPhil> You cannot prepare fully for threats unless you know the possible sources of those threats.
[11:01:32] <boru> And even then you might get caught out. Panspermia, although unproven, is likely the reason for life on Earth. The makings of bacteria arriving to Earth on comets. Tough one to prepare for!
[11:02:00] <chromas> I wonder whatever happened to all those mysterious seeds people were getting from China
[11:02:17] <boru> But it has very much been a problem for some time, this lackadaisical approach to emergency preparedness.
[11:02:19] <FatPhil> Not a big fan of panspermia, it just moves the problem elsewhere, and does nothing to solve it.
[11:02:36] <boru> Recently, they tested the national alert system here. Complete and total failure of the system.
[11:02:37] <c0lo> FatPhil, "fully prepared" is an ideal
[11:02:49] <FatPhil> so what
[11:02:52] <c0lo> I'm good with prepared enough.
[11:03:15] <FatPhil> how do you know you're prepared enough
[11:03:26] <boru> I'm a fan of individual preparedness, personally.
[11:03:44] <boru> Learn the skills, store the supplies.
[11:03:47] <c0lo> "Games", FatPhil
[11:04:11] <c0lo> You know? Fire drills, fire prevention, thinks like that.
[11:04:25] <boru> I think it was a rhetorical question.
[11:04:40] <FatPhil> it was, mostly
[11:05:01] <FatPhil> The "there's no such thing as 'fully prepared'" line is sophistry
[11:05:33] <c0lo> Rhetoric transmits poorly over text.
[11:05:43] <c0lo> s/text/irc/
[11:05:43] <SedBot> <c0lo> Rhetoric transmits poorly over irc.
[11:05:58] <FatPhil> it would be a dumb argument spoken too, it's nothing but misdirection.
[11:06:42] <boru> Indeed! I oft take the approach on IRC of taking nothing anyone says seriously!
[11:07:09] <FatPhil> One person's "fully prepared" is another person's "prepared enough". Attempting to draw a distinction between them when used as passing comments is pointless.
[11:07:25] <boru> I've assumed chromas is a sentient Internet connected fridge amusing itself for some time.
[11:07:32] <c0lo> I've seen enough many that believe it. Besides, I haven't had enough drinks with you to know when you're serious or not, FatPhil.
[11:07:48] <c0lo> I don't know if this can be solved.
[11:08:27] <FatPhil> If I'm saying somehting stupid, I'm having a laugh. Otherwise, I'm deadly serious.
[11:08:31] <chromas> As I understand it, Australians never have enough drinks, so I think it can't be solved
[11:08:53] <c0lo> chromas++ insightful
[11:08:53] <Bender> karma - chromas: 352
[11:09:06] <FatPhil> We had 2 Australians at our Crap Beer Training Session last weekend - both brewers, both pissed as farts.
[11:09:08] <boru> Well, I can understand that they're deterred from doing so with swill like Fosters and VB.
[11:09:28] <chromas> pissed as farts
[11:09:38] <chromas> FatPhil++
[11:09:38] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 122
[11:09:43] <boru> It's a saying, IoT fridge.
[11:09:45] <FatPhil> possibly an englishism, one I quite like
[11:09:58] <chromas> isn't fosters export-only?
[11:10:03] <c0lo> FYI, Fosters as a good beer is the same as the drop bear.
[11:10:11] <boru> Heh
[11:10:41] <FatPhil> Fosters is mostly BUL, it's a brand more than anything else.
[11:10:55] <boru> Anyway, I had better try to get some work done today. Catch you later, fellas.
[11:10:57] <FatPhil> Brewed by its competitors in some markets, because cartels
[11:11:26] <FatPhil> (more like "mafia" I guess - turf wars)
[11:11:40] <c0lo> VB is enjoyed by tradies, because cheap and a wee stronger than the rest.
[11:12:41] <chromas> huh, so visual basic is australian
[11:12:57] <c0lo> victoria bitter actually
[11:13:32] <c0lo> Don't try to upgrade you firmware using either, 'till make you dumber.
[11:13:35] <chromas> same thing, I think. It's popular for some reason even though everyone makes fun of it
[11:13:43] <FatPhil> which isn't a bitter, lest anyone be confused by the name
[11:13:56] <chromas> so it's a hipster beer? named ironically?
[11:14:10] <FatPhil> nah, it's just a warning sign
[11:14:22] <FatPhil> they may as well have put biohazard symbols on it
[11:14:42] <c0lo> I wouldn't know. I stuck with vegemite, but I gave up VB after the first taste.
[11:15:01] <c0lo> Coopers Ale opened me to ales.
[11:15:22] <FatPhil> You're a Tooheys guy, we can tell
[11:15:23] <c0lo> Never had one while in EU.
[11:16:15] <c0lo> Actually, more of James Squire guy.
[11:16:54] <FatPhil> Your pantry's full of Carlton Dry, don't lie
[11:16:56] <c0lo> And Carlton draught when in a hurry.
[11:17:11] <FatPhil> Carlton Dry Hard Lager [Carlton & United] (6.5%) 3:2:3:2:5=1.5
[11:18:44] <FatPhil> one of the worst ozzie beers I've had. Little Creatures was surrounded by loads of hype, but was garbage.
[11:18:46] <c0lo> Me pantry is devoid of any beers, I have my old father with me. No alcohol inside the house, he'll find it no matter what.
[11:19:40] <FatPhil> nz > au beerwise, know that.
[11:19:43] <c0lo> Last I had was 150 lashes.
[11:19:58] * FatPhil tries to stir up nationalistic tensions
[11:20:24] * c0lo is beyond beer nationalism
[11:20:53] <c0lo> Every honest beer is welcomed, no matter of origin.
[11:21:16] <FatPhil> c0lo++ that's my manifesto
[11:21:16] <Bender> karma - c0lo: 38
[11:22:06] <c0lo> You're such a waste of time, FatPhil, trying to rile an old man up.
[11:22:26] <c0lo> May work with Trump, but not with beer.
[11:27:59] <c0lo> I discovered this a couple of weeks ago. Travelling with my father, I need to go there and taste it https://holgatebrewhouse.com
[11:28:08] <systemd> ^ 03Holgate Brewhouse
[11:28:49] <c0lo> s/ther/ther at that time/
[11:28:49] <SedBot> <c0lo> I discovered this a couple of weeks ago. Travelling with my father at that time, I need to go there and taste it https://holgatebrewhouse.com
[11:29:20] * c0lo going back to streaming son
[11:29:49] <c0lo> (make that streaming json)
[11:38:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pasta Will be Made Optimal - https://sylnt.us - pasta-will-be-made-optimal
[11:43:06] <c0lo> https://www.newshub.co.nz
[11:43:10] <systemd> ^ 03Influencers jailed in Bali for fake mask video prank, to be deported as 'soon as possible'
[11:46:30] <c0lo> Menstruation - a social construct that requires a positive action https://www.kxly.com
[11:46:31] <systemd> ^ 03New law requires Washington schools to provide free menstrual products to students - KXLY
[11:48:53] <c0lo> =submit https://www.defensenews.com
[11:48:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Honeywell Gets Hit With $13M Fine for Defense Export Violations" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:50:59] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com.au
[11:51:03] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Google 'Arguably Violated' Labor Law When It Fired Employees Involved in Unionizing, Says NLRB Chief" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:51:46] <c0lo> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[11:51:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Disqus Facing $3M Fine in Norway for Tracking Users Without Consent – TechCrunch" (80p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:53:15] <c0lo> =submit https://www.pv-tech.org
[11:53:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Solar and Wind Cheaper Than 80% of Existing Coal in the US, Report Finds - PV Tech" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:53:19] <FatPhil> I was trying to find a peloton stock price chart that didn't require 9 million javascripts last night, and as I repeatedly failed, I encountered about 30 new tracking sites to stick in my block list.
[11:55:29] <FatPhil> OK, I did try about 15 sites before finding one that vaguely worked, so it was only ~1-3 per failure. But still, they seem to be growing like mushrooms
[12:02:39] <FatPhil> Apparently pelotons are grinding babies into babyfood now, I was just wondering whether the capitalists gave a fuck about such things. A little, but that's all.
[12:13:41] <c0lo> =submit by-bernie-sanders-for-realz https://www.theguardian.com
[12:13:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Big Pharma Doesn’t Want Us to Expand Medicare. We Have to Fight Them" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:29:49] <FatPhil> Medicare doesn't need expanding, quite the opposite.
[12:30:22] <FatPhil> You pay twice as much, and you get less of a service. That tells me that more than half of what is involved needs to be culled.
[12:41:38] <c0lo> Maybe me. Not the usians, tho.
[12:43:02] <FatPhil> remind me the last time the merkins successfully audited any part of their government!
[12:43:16] <FatPhil> They haven't got a clue where the money's going.
[12:50:11] <c0lo> PDF warning. See PDF page 18 https://www.rand.org
[12:50:39] <c0lo> At least they know how much is the price/unit.
[12:57:22] <FatPhil> 1 left arm
[13:01:09] <c0lo> Think of how much beer you could buy of those money.
[13:03:58] <FatPhil> I'm not paying US danegeld presently, so I can't imagine any change from not paying it.
[13:05:53] <c0lo> Pedantic lacking imagination as always, eh?
[13:06:13] <c0lo> =submit did-you-know-dept https://www.fastcompany.com
[13:06:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Used Furniture is About to Become a $16.6 Billion Business. Even Ikea is Getting in on It" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:26:37] <c0lo> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[13:26:40] <systemd> c0lo, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (2625780), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[13:33:42] <chromas> yep; you submitted that awhile ago :)
[13:34:15] <c0lo> RAM wearing out
[13:34:24] <c0lo> =yt lrWFmm29HzA
[13:34:24] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Krystal and Saagar: Snowden DRAGS Kamala For PRETENDING To Care About Press Freedom (05:33; 162,846 views; 👍7,507 👎130)
[13:35:54] <chromas> The bathroom spider's being a weirdo. He was just chillin', letting me get blurry macro shots with the camera, then later I caught him napping upside down, but rolled over after I came in.
[13:37:21] <c0lo> https://twitter.com
[13:37:21] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[13:38:25] <c0lo> https://twitter.com
[13:38:26] <chromas> Makes sense. You don't have to allow freedom just because you advocate it
[13:38:26] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[13:43:55] <c0lo> Kamala is recommitting herself to to protecting and promoting a free and independent press everywhere.
[13:45:03] <c0lo> Too bad Assange is no longer free so he can't benefit from Kamala re-commitment
[13:46:01] <inz> Still haven't gotten used to reading news about a person called "awful"
[13:47:33] <chromas> The spider's dragging a couple legs, but then switches to dragging a different one. I think it's committing insurance fraud
[13:48:24] <c0lo> While upside down?
[13:48:43] <chromas> no it flipped back over
[13:49:13] <c0lo> bloody flippant spider
[13:52:45] <chromas> https://zeroindex.org
[13:54:08] <chromas> just a li'le baybee
[13:54:25] <inz> so fluffy
[13:55:19] <c0lo> send her my congrats for her gorgeous fangs.
[13:56:56] <FatPhil> I'm not sure the word "fluff" springs to mind
[13:58:16] <FatPhil> #kamala - dreadful, frightful, ghastly, appalling, awful, disgusting, gruesome, horrible, horrid, terrible
[14:03:12] <chromas> not a very good anagram
[14:06:18] <Bytram> tarantula?
[14:06:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Many Consumers Misinterpret Food Date Labels, Yet Use Them With Confidence - https://sylnt.us
[14:06:54] <chromas> No, I think it's like half an inch
[14:09:19] <Bytram> Ohh, tiny! Great pic!
[14:15:59] <chromas> Thanks :)
[14:19:27] * chromas throws in some white balance and makes it his webernet profile pic
[14:38:23] <c0lo> I used to wonder if more eyes would help one to see in more dimensions. Case at point, if spiders see the world in 9D.
[14:44:25] <c0lo> And then I read that string theory requires 9 dimensions+time, of which about 6 of them are rolled onto themselves.
[14:45:30] <c0lo> So then I rolled 6 of my eyes and kept them so ever since.
[14:46:55] <chromas> So it's true then
[14:47:10] <chromas> And spiders, as webmakers, are the masters of tiny strings
[14:48:36] <c0lo> chromas: s/makers, are the masters/masters, are the makers/
[14:48:36] <SedBot> <c0lo> <chromas> And spiders, as webmasters, are the makers of tiny strings
[14:50:41] <c0lo> those fbis can be quite convincingly persuasive https://www.justice.gov
[14:50:42] <systemd> ^ 03Second Member Of "Boogaloo Bois" Pleads Guilty To Conspiracy To Provide Material Support To Hamas
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[15:00:05] <Bytram> gtg laters!
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[15:03:43] <progo> food labels: it would help if they wrote all the dates big-endian with 4 digit years so it's not ambiguous
[15:04:41] <chromas> What's wrong with A1712?
[15:05:07] <AzumaHazuki> indeed
[15:05:31] <AzumaHazuki> but remember, industry optimizes for profit, not for function or rightness
[15:05:49] <progo> during the 00s decade I called Dunkin Donuts to ask them to interpret the 'best used by' stamp on packaged coffee grounds. it was like 3-ways ambiguous. they of course could not tell me what the number meant or which month it might belong to
[15:06:46] <progo> 'best by 02-06-04' -- what year? something like that
[15:07:47] <progo> unambiguous short date: 6 May 2021 (abbreviate month to 3 letters in english; if you shorted the year I'll burn you)
[15:08:25] <progo> *shorten
[15:08:54] <chromas> to be fair, if you need four digits of year, it's probably expired
[15:11:13] <progo> (my preferred date format I just said is little endian. big endian 2021-05-06 isn't bad too.) chromas, what?
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[16:35:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 30% Australian Federal Tax Offset for Videogame Development Announced - https://sylnt.us
[18:19:57] <bacterium> progo: big-endian yyyy-mm-dd gets ordered alphabetically the same way it is ordered in time
[18:36:12] <FatPhil> otherwise known as "sane"
[19:15:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - PsiQuantum and GLOBALFOUNDRIES Claim Quantum Computing Breakthrough - https://sylnt.us - it-is-and-isn't-making-progress
[19:24:29] <Runaway1956> First rule of troubleshooting any system? Inspect the system end-to-end, I think
[19:24:46] <Runaway1956> Put your eyes on it, is what I think
[19:25:05] <Runaway1956> SUV won't shift, so I tell the boy to crawl under there, and LOOK AT IT
[19:25:18] <Runaway1956> "OK, but I just want to look in the console first"
[19:25:21] <FatPhil> first rule is spray kerosene everywhere
[19:25:31] <FatPhil> second rule is ... RUN!
[19:25:38] <Runaway1956> 2 hours later, I return, the console is in pieces, and he has learned nothing useful
[19:26:02] <Runaway1956> so I crawl under there, take a very quick look, and the c-clamp has apparently fallen off the shifter linkage
[19:26:09] <Runaway1956> the cable is just hanging there
[19:26:54] <Sulla> maybe the cable was supposed to be that way
[19:27:19] <Runaway1956> Now, don't ask my how or why a retaining clip should ever fall off, but it does seem to me that the cable should be connected to the actual shifter mechanism
[19:29:32] <Runaway1956> @ progo - dates should always be bigambiguous
[19:30:19] <Runaway1956> For instance, ask a girl for a date at 19:00 Friday night
[19:30:37] <Runaway1956> the time she is actually ready to leave the house is always ambiguous
[19:31:03] <Runaway1956> therefore, you know that you should have set the time to about 17:00
[19:31:15] <Sulla> Probably should use an example that doesn't require leaving my basement
[19:32:31] <Runaway1956> Alright - the Apache are going to invade your basement at 10:50 7/11/1839
[19:33:18] <Sulla> what if i am apache, you insensitive clod
[19:33:35] <Runaway1956> then you should have patched your server
[19:39:49] <progo> this reminds me of one of those "things system designers get wrong" documents about events and calendars. GOOD calendar systems record all available information in a calendar entry when it is made. For example, you don't schedule a weekly meeting on "Wednesdays at 11:00"; you need to record the region where it was created. If you do not, then what week does the LOCAL time zone of the meeting change ahead or back? It depends on if you're in Europe,
[19:39:49] <progo> USA, or somewhere else that doesn't jump time zones for fun twice a year
[19:41:01] <Sulla> Why do you hate the environment so much?
[19:41:07] <Sulla> did you even once think about the whale oil
[19:46:38] <inz> progo, don't forget about the reverse DST down under
[19:47:03] <progo> tub drains and clocks go the other way around down there, right?
[19:47:04] <progo> :^)
[19:47:47] <progo> does oceania ALSO do the time zone hopping? I actually would have thought they'd be sensible enough not to
[19:49:03] <inz> According to wikipedia, southern territories and kiwis do
[19:49:04] <progo> yes they do. (says wikipedia.) and, I usually know these things. thanks inz
[19:49:31] <progo> was joking about the clocks. and the tub drains: you need a REALLY big tub for coriolis effect to kick in
[19:50:42] <progo> I know the basic facts about time zones, but I don't do the math in my head. when I need it, several different web forms with calculators do it for me at https://www.timeanddate.com
[19:50:43] <systemd> ^ 03timeanddate.com
[19:51:12] <inz> I just do TZ="Where/Ever" date
[19:51:48] <progo> timeanddate.com lets you create a URL for "what time is this published even in MY time zone" and stick it on an invitation
[19:52:10] <progo> or you can see a table of possible hours in the future you might want to schedule a multi-time-zone meeting
[19:55:58] <inz> I'd just say the stuff on the mail, and let others reply whenever it suits them best; real-time is overrated
[19:56:18] <progo> inz I'll reply to that IRC message some time tomorrow :^)
[19:57:45] <inz> Sounds good to me. I'll probably procratinate-ad-nauseam replying to that reply.
[19:57:48] <inz> +s
[20:41:42] <FatPhil> shit
[20:41:55] <FatPhil> did I miss a chance to rant inanely about timezones?
[20:43:49] <progo> no one changed the topic FatPhil. go!
[21:09:28] <chromas> Why store the event timezone when you can just store it in z?
[21:12:16] <progo> chromas: it screws up the math for weekly events if you convert it to UTC before writing to the database
[21:12:22] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[21:12:33] <chromas> utc doesn't have weeks?
[21:12:49] <progo> UTC doesn't have regional time zone hopping twice per year
[21:13:10] <progo> when daylight savings starts or ends, last week's 11:00 is not this week's 11:00
[21:13:23] <chromas> Your system should have a function to convert to local time when the event is presented or alarmed about
[21:13:45] <progo> weekly meetings are NOT always 7 × 24 hours apart. if you schedule them in UTC, they are, which is wrong
[21:13:52] <progo> unless you're in a region with no daylight savings time
[21:14:06] <chromas> we only have daylight saving time here :D
[21:15:14] <chromas> Don't store weekly events by date
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[22:36:48] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[22:43:35] <chromas> https://www.sadanduseless.com
[22:43:36] <systemd> ^ 03Want To Take Your Pet Fish For a Walk? Now There's a Bag For That!
[22:58:05] <Sulla> https://www.snopes.com
[22:58:06] <systemd> ^ 03Are Turtles Used on Chinese Souvenir Keyrings?
[22:58:16] <Sulla> is what i thought you were talking about from pet fish on a walk
[23:17:22] <AzumaHazuki> what if you have a pet mudskipper or lungfish?
[23:18:08] <Sulla> An extremely well made non-slip collar
[23:18:24] <Sulla> But really depends if they have had their rabbies shot
[23:19:13] <Sulla> test
[23:19:38] <Sulla> keyboard done except for stabilizer bars and keycaps
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