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[00:05:24] <Teckla> Ah, if only I could forget it, and watch it all over again.
[00:56:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Technician for Water Company Linked to Liver Failure Says his Dog Got Liver Illness - https://sylnt.us - snake-oil
[01:43:16] <kyonko`> what does that even mean
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[03:25:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bill Gates and Melinda Gates Announce Divorce - https://sylnt.us - Can't-Buy-Me-Love
[04:22:15] <c0lo> https://thehill.com
[04:22:16] <systemd> ^ 03DeSantis suspends Florida's remaining COVID-19 restrictions
[04:26:01] <c0lo> Well, lets hope they'll maintain the rate of new infections in check, looking on to https://www.worldometers.info the situation is not ideal
[04:26:02] <systemd> ^ 03Florida COVID: 2,245,853 Cases and 35,307 Deaths - Worldometer ( https://www.worldometers.info )
[04:45:18] <Sulla> tldr of florida is floridaman getting lucky in spite of everything we know
[05:56:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Arm Pioneer: Nvidia's Grace CPU is Proof That It Will 'Compete Unfairly' - https://sylnt.us - Arm-ageddon
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[08:21:39] <FatPhil> Since when did font-weight: 200 become fashionable?
[08:23:16] <FatPhil> Our local news site recently adopted it, and it became practically unreadable to my eyes. Since I noticed that, I've started noticing it everywhere - even being time-wasty enough to check the CSS to verify it's a conscious decision by "designers".
[08:27:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mutant Corn Gene Boosts Sugar in Seeds, Leaves, May Lead to Breeding Better Crop - https://sylnt.us - sweet-corn
[08:31:35] <c0lo> I reckon since Brexit or thereabouts, FatPhil.
[08:49:15] <FatPhil> I've only noticed it all over the place in the last couple of months.
[09:00:22] <boru> Probably something like that same cartoon art you see everywhere at the moment. I'm not sure what you call the particular style, but it's very widespread.
[09:00:50] <c0lo> Infection on the exponential side of the curve?
[09:01:42] <c0lo> https://leaderpost.com
[09:01:44] <systemd> ^ 03Home of terminally ill medical cannabis patient who grew her own plants raided by police
[09:02:00] <c0lo> ^Brexit too
[09:02:25] <boru> Well, that took a surprisingly short amount of time to find: apparently it's commonly referred to as "Corporate Art Style": https://knowyourmeme.com
[09:02:26] <systemd> ^ 03Corporate Art Style
[09:03:12] <boru> Which makes sense, since it seems to be all of these big multinational corporations who are using it.
[09:03:37] <boru> It must be some sort of mandate which comes down from the megacorporations which own all of these subcorporations.
[09:04:13] <boru> I wonder if they're responsible for your font woes also, FP.
[09:06:57] <chromas> Ask your doctor about Alegria
[09:08:04] <boru> I have a font question, actually. Which font supports all of these unicode characters that websites are using instead of graphical icons now? I use the DejaVu family, and it seems I am missing several glyphs for these shitty websites.
[09:10:02] <FatPhil> FontAwesome - it uses "undefined" unicode characters
[09:10:02] <c0lo> =submit new-caaaats https://toronto.ctvnews.ca
[09:10:09] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Endangered Tiger Gives Birth to Three Cubs at Toronto Zoo" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:10:33] <boru> Oh, is that the crap I have uMatrix banning everywhere...
[09:10:44] <FatPhil> #metoo
[09:10:56] <boru> Actually, I also have my browser disallowing websites to use their own fonts.
[09:11:08] <boru> It's a fairly annoying trend, really.
[09:11:13] <boru> The web in general, in fact.
[09:11:17] <boru> It gets worse every year.
[09:11:18] <c0lo> =submit oh-they-will https://www.mirror.co.uk
[09:11:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Two-thirds of Brit Men 'Would Rather Die 10 Years Early' Than Give Up Meat" (28p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:11:22] <FatPhil> all sane fonts have no glyphs for such codes, as there are no glyphs for such codes.
[09:11:38] <FatPhil> Anyone remember code pages?
[09:11:42] <boru> Yes.
[09:12:12] <boru> boruboard mk 2 had loadable PS/2 code pages.
[09:12:32] <boru> You could cycle them with a button and it'd load them from SPI flash.
[09:12:53] <boru> I should really get around to finishing the new design in the stack of other designs...
[09:13:12] <boru> I really ought to win the lottery so I don't need to work anymore.
[09:13:16] <FatPhil> Ugh - "corporate style" looks a bit like some crappy postmodern art.
[09:13:27] <boru> Yeah, it's an abomination.
[09:13:28] <FatPhil> "naive" is the term I use
[09:13:37] <FatPhil> Blame Paul Klee
[09:16:38] <FatPhil> design's playing on my mind this week, as I'm still ranting at the board of the brewpub for letting the abomination of a design out of the warehouse for our first canned beer. they're trying to calm me down, but I keep responding with words like "shit", and "stupid".
[09:17:09] * boru chuckles.
[09:17:21] <chromas> Put that on the new cans
[09:17:38] <chromas> Make the label a word cloud
[09:18:01] <boru> "Stupid Shit™; a new fragrance from Fat Phil™."
[09:18:35] <chromas> on a different note, https://www.youtube.com
[09:18:38] <systemd> ^ 03Clue
[09:18:46] <c0lo> Drink it to get shit stupid.
[09:19:04] <boru> Do people still visit youtube these days?
[09:19:22] <boru> I mean, rather than using invidious, or some such.
[09:19:52] <boru> I have a plugin that does the redirect automatically, but I am just surprised that people still willingly use google's services.
[09:20:20] <chromas> looks like invidious is a youtube front-end, so you're still using google's servies
[09:20:22] <c0lo> =yt Do people still visit youtube these days?
[09:20:23] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The U.S. May Never Reach Herd Immunity & U.K. Runs a Massive COVID Experiment | The Daily Show (05:19; 233,222 views; 👍6,835 👎202)
[09:20:40] <boru> Well, I mean directly use it.
[09:20:59] <boru> If someone only hosts their content on youtube, not much you can do other than use something like invidious.
[09:21:05] <chromas> there's all kinds of front-ends for it. even vlc can stream from youtube
[09:21:06] <FatPhil> chromas: Oh, god - I've not seen a word cloud on a beer yet. That's riding the fine line between clever and stupid.
[09:21:31] <boru> I'm well aware of the alternatives like media players which can use youtube_dl and whatnot.
[09:21:37] <chromas> FatPhil: you need a way to extract dollars from hipsters
[09:21:38] <boru> I am talking about using the website directly.
[09:21:59] <boru> I've seen word clouds on wine here locally, actually.
[09:22:04] <chromas> why not? it's nto too bad when you don't have the µblock and whatnot
[09:22:15] <chromas> plus you get to read the jenius comments
[09:22:22] <boru> Yeah...
[09:23:36] <chromas> if you don't read the comments then you won't know all the great quotes from the video
[09:24:26] <chromas> anyhow, you tube has movies but it's got the drm so youtube-dlc doesn't give you the decrypted vidya
[09:24:55] <FatPhil> youtube-dl fails to suck the 'Clue' link above, alas
[09:24:58] <boru> I can't imagine that there is anything in that category that I would want to watch.
[09:25:39] <chromas> they've got lots of ceappy sci-fi movies. you know, the kind where people stand around talking instead of baysplosions
[09:25:47] <boru> In fact, I think there are two documentaries from the same channel which would be something produced by youtube. Thankfully, they don't have any such drm nonsense.
[09:26:07] <chromas> and star trek 4 I guess
[09:26:26] <boru> As I said, nothing in that category that I would have any inclination to watch.
[09:26:41] <chromas> I think only hollywood productions use drm.
[09:27:18] <boru> "sci-fi" these days amounts to politically correct comic book adapations for similarly banal audiences.
[09:27:19] * chromas convinces hollywood to produce and distribute a FreeBSD documentary on youtube
[09:28:13] <chromas> right, it's the other kind of sci-fi, with invading aliens and stuff
[09:28:34] <boru> You're trying very hard to get a rise out of me about things I have no investment in, fwiw.
[09:28:59] <chromas> that's 'cause I was gonna ask something else but I forgot what it was
[09:29:01] <c0lo> there, boru, for your viewing investment
[09:29:05] <c0lo> =yt hYkR5BGFLfk
[09:29:06] <systemd> https://youtube.com - RALLY WITH KENTUCKY'S WORKING CLASS (3PM ET) (01:21:36; 8,197 views; 👍1,375 👎37)
[09:29:42] <boru> From the title, I am not sure why I would want to watch this.
[09:30:01] <boru> Unless it's an actual rally, with cars.
[09:31:13] <boru> But then again, that wouldn't be very interesting, either.
[09:31:36] <c0lo> To have something invested, what else?
[09:31:44] <c0lo> =submit https://www.gematsu.com
[09:31:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Sony Interactive Entertainment Announces Partnership With Discord - Gematsu" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:32:08] <boru> What would be invested?
[09:32:28] <boru> I presume it's Kentucky, USA.
[09:32:51] <chromas> invest your chia coins
[09:33:39] <chromas> Ask Soylent: Any strong opinions on ergo vs normal keyboards?
[09:34:02] <FatPhil> I think I'm going to invest in some belly-filling
[09:34:13] <boru> If you go ergo, get a split kb with a cable in between, nothing else.
[09:34:46] <chromas> I have an ms 4000 but it's too thin at the edges to replace the bubble crap with real switches
[09:34:47] <FatPhil> nah - it's optimised for one size fits all
[09:34:54] <boru> If you go normal, get a tenkeyless 75%
[09:35:14] <boru> Alternatively, if you want to wait, I can send you one of the new boruboards when I finish it.
[09:35:23] <boru> Kit or assembled.
[09:35:42] <chromas> how many years away?
[09:35:50] <boru> Probably 1, at most.
[09:36:51] <c0lo> =submit soy-leghemoglobin https://seekingalpha.com
[09:36:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03SeekingAlpha" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:37:15] <c0lo> Or take the verge version
[09:37:22] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[09:37:23] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Verge" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:38:28] <chromas> any mockups or whatever? Maybe I'll have to buy one when it comes out
[09:38:47] <chromas> will it run qmk or boruware?
[09:38:51] <boru> This one's a redesign from scratch, so nothing to show yet.
[09:39:00] <boru> Boruware, but nothing to stop you flashing it with qmk, I guess.
[09:39:17] <boru> qmk is for babies, imho.
[09:39:28] <c0lo> =submit jobs-for-new-mexicans https://www.cnet.com
[09:39:30] <boru> Real Programmers™ write their own firmware.
[09:39:30] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Intel Investing $3.5B in New Mexico Fab Upgrade, Boosting US Chipmaking" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:39:47] <chromas> on the keyboard they're writing the firmware for
[09:39:57] <boru> It does support that, actually.
[09:40:17] <c0lo> Does it run linux?
[09:40:21] <boru> Boruboard mk1 runs my Forth implementation.
[09:40:30] <boru> You can reprogram the keyboard on the keyboard.
[09:40:46] <boru> You just need a serial adapter to see the output (Over RS232)
[09:41:24] <boru> But it has a JTAG port, so you could just write your firmware in C or whatever, and flash it.
[09:42:22] <boru> I've mostly just done small runs of the designs and given them to people. They weren't for sale or anything.
[09:42:33] <boru> They were just fun projects.
[09:43:14] <boru> If I had the money, I'd tape out my soft stack core and put that in the design. Alas, that is outside the realm of possibility at the moment.
[09:43:20] <FatPhil> I don't have a jtag port, alas. but I like the idea of reprogramming it on itself.
[09:43:52] <boru> I might put a USB to JTAG chip on the new one, so you don't need a JTAG adapter for it.
[09:43:59] <boru> Then you can just flash it with openocd, or some such.
[09:44:23] <boru> So, one port for USB HID, one port for PS/2 and one port for JTAG.
[09:44:49] <boru> But then again, there aren't so many PS/2 capable mobos around any more, so I might remove that from the design.
[09:44:57] <chromas> may as well stick a usb hub in too while you're at it, for those random parking lot usb drives
[09:45:25] <boru> It's possible, but non-powered hub, which is kind of pointless for USB3.
[09:45:40] <chromas> need me one of these https://www.youtube.com
[09:45:41] <systemd> ^ 03Accom Axial keyboard review (Cherry MX Black)
[09:45:45] <boru> PS/2 was fine. NFI why we needed USB HID. Feh.
[09:45:56] <chromas> hotplugging
[09:45:59] <boru> Pft, black or blue switches are best.
[09:46:04] <boru> Err, brown or blue, even.
[09:46:28] <boru> You can hotplug PS/2, also.
[09:47:01] <chromas> on some boards
[09:47:04] <boru> I really need to get some lunch and get back to work.
[09:47:27] <c0lo> https://apnews.com
[09:47:28] <systemd> ^ 03Germany busts international child porn site used by 400,000
[09:47:46] <boru> Now _that_ is good news.
[09:48:03] <chromas> I should builds my own keyboard so I can have F13—F24 keys
[09:48:35] <boru> Or one with a mod switch to bump up the F number.
[09:48:42] <chromas> gross
[09:48:45] <boru> Or down.
[09:48:50] <boru> F -1 etc.
[09:49:18] <boru> Or F(x³ - þ)
[09:50:20] <boru> The possibilities are endless.
[10:02:09] <c0lo> 6 keys should be enough for everyone: Shft, Ctrl, Alt, Meta, Fn and a Morse key.
[10:03:12] <c0lo> Place your bets https://apnews.com
[10:03:12] <systemd> ^ 03A decision on suspended Trump Facebook account this week
[10:04:41] * chromas 'needs' a 200% keyboard
[10:09:28] <c0lo> Yeah, chromas, good idea. A 200 keyboard-weight to get FatPhil's eternal love.
[10:09:52] <chromas> c0lo++
[10:09:52] <Bender> karma - c0lo: 36
[10:10:04] <chromas> yay callbacks
[10:10:18] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[10:10:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03How Companies Rip Off Poor Employees" (62p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:12:57] <c0lo> =submit look-up-and-push-daisies https://apnews.com
[10:13:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Latin America Looks to Space, Despite Limitations on Ground" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:15:05] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[10:15:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Clean Megaprojects Divide Surprise Group: Environmentalists" (31p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:56:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Reports 2 iOS 0-days That Let Hackers Compromise Fully Patched Devices - https://sylnt.us
[11:05:23] * FatPhil highly recommends a 2-hour long lunchbreak on a newly-opened terrace.
[11:06:01] <FatPhil> (And also visiting the harbour-area booze shops that are cheaper than anyone else in town to stock up on whiskies and ports)
[11:24:21] <FatPhil> Another font-weight: 200 @ https://www.microsoft.com
[11:24:23] <systemd> ^ 03My World | Cultivating Media Literacy Skills | Microsoft Education
[11:24:48] <FatPhil> Fortunately, I don't want to read what they've written, so I'm glad they've made it unreadable.
[11:28:35] <FatPhil> Oh, jesus. The accessibility world seems to not have just been invaded, but completely overrun but intersectional queer theory white hate matters.
[11:28:47] <FatPhil> s/but/by/
[11:28:47] <SedBot> <FatPhil> Oh, jesus. The accessibility world seems to not have just been invaded, by completely overrun but intersectional queer theory white hate matters.
[11:29:04] <FatPhil> fucks
[11:36:50] <boru> And probably result in a drain on funds which would otherwise actually help those who need it.
[11:39:07] <FatPhil> boru++ +1 insightful
[11:39:07] <Bender> karma - boru: 54
[11:44:30] <boru> This Frankfurt school nonsense seems to be riding on the coat tails of globalisation where it's being injected into every institution possible.
[11:44:33] <inz> FatPhil, add a bookmark with javascript:(function(d){var%20s=d.createElement('style');s.textContent='*{font-weight:400%20!important;}';d.head.appendChild(s);})(document) as location
[11:45:26] <inz> Then just launch the bookmark when you find something unreadable
[11:45:48] <inz> Of course you will lose bolds too, but that would take too much magic
[11:56:09] <FatPhil> do JS bookmarklets work when you have JS disabled with NoScript?
[11:59:49] <inz> ach, that I wouldn't know
[12:02:27] <inz> Should probably consider noscript too; my current major dislike is js-forced smooth scrolling
[12:02:44] <inz> The first thing I disable when starting with a fresh browser
[12:08:59] <FatPhil> I'm thinking of just installing a plugin that gets rid of all the unwanted shit - I wrote it myself, it's called NoWeb
[12:10:36] <inz> oh, the smooth scrolling thing is not a js thing, it's a css thing.
[12:10:39] <inz> Ha
[12:10:42] <inz> gopher ftw?
[12:11:09] <c0lo> Huh, on many Linux ditributions, you can ifdown (or not ifup at init) and you don't need no stinkin plugin.
[12:18:24] <FatPhil> But then I'd lose IRC too!
[12:19:28] <boru> Web != Internet
[12:21:30] <FatPhil> Another font-weight: 200; @ https://support.apple.com - it's fucking everywhere, man!
[12:21:31] <systemd> ^ 03About the security content of iOS 14.5.1 and iPadOS 14.5.1
[12:21:58] <FatPhil> beige backgrounds, too, they're becoming more fashionable.
[12:23:32] <inz> I don't see 200 on that page
[12:23:38] <inz> the subheading is 300
[12:30:52] <FatPhil> curl -s 'https://support.apple.com/clientside/build/app-ht.css' | grep -o 'font-weight:200' | wc -l
[12:30:53] <systemd> ^ 03Page Not Found - Apple Support
[12:30:55] <FatPhil> 9
[12:31:46] <FatPhil> media selectors mean you might not see what I see, of course
[12:33:07] <c0lo> =g firefox overwrite site css
[12:33:08] <systemd> https://superuser.com - How can I override the CSS of a site in Firefox with userContent.css ...
[12:34:28] <FatPhil> yeah, do the disabling of all animations using that technique
[12:34:51] <FatPhil> however, I don't want to stop people using font-weight, as heavy font-weights are good!
[12:37:29] <FatPhil> Some sneaky web design cunts worked out that * { transform: none !important; animation: none !important; ... } doesn't apply to :before and :after elements, so they started hiding animations there after people started blocking them
[12:38:04] <FatPhil> and of course I have font-feature-settings: "liga" 0, "dlig" 0 !important;
[12:38:52] <FatPhil> I wish rather than blocking those ligatures, I could send electric shocks to the idiots who enabled them in the first place.
[12:39:24] <FatPhil> For such a clear day, there sure are plenty of clouds for me to shout at!
[12:40:35] <c0lo> Be wise, FatPhil, stop shouting and have one more beer.
[12:41:10] <FatPhil> The more I shout, the thirstier I'll get, and the more I'll appreciate the beer.
[12:42:37] <c0lo> Don't be a fool. Since when does one need to be thirsty to appreciate the beer?
[12:43:23] <c0lo> Besides, the throat is primarily made for drinking beer and only incidentaly to be used for shouting.
[12:44:03] <c0lo> Incidentally, like in shout for another one to that busy waiter.
[12:44:53] <boru> Noch einer bitte!
[12:50:24] <FatPhil> I'll be drinking the reject beers, the ones they didn't think were quite right. I think 6 pilot batches were brewed in total, that's a lot of unsold beer. The head brewer's a bit of a perfectionist.
[12:53:42] <c0lo> I like the result of the work of perfectionists. If those results ever come out, that is.
[12:55:36] <c0lo> Come one, that's just sick https://www.wagmtv.com
[12:55:37] <systemd> ^ 03Sikh man struck in head with hammer on way to work in NYC
[12:56:04] * c0lo tells chromas "Just don't"
[12:57:18] <boru> Sounds like he should have been on the way to the doctor.
[13:03:18] * c0lo forgot to tell boru the same. Oh, well...
[13:04:53] <boru> Old chestnut.
[13:07:11] <c0lo> self inflicted is always delicious, for others https://pbs.twimg.com
[13:07:53] <boru> That's painful...
[13:08:37] <boru> They _did_ also write stand up as a single word, so perhaps they're pursuing a career in comedy.
[13:09:13] <boru> It could be a set up photo op.
[13:11:01] <FatPhil> A la /Top Gear/ - "Man love OK" was it?
[13:11:36] <FatPhil> They were tasked with decorating each others' vehicles, whilst in the deep south
[13:11:59] <FatPhil> "Nascar Sucks" was another, and I think the third was about Hillary.
[13:15:03] <boru> To be fair, I'd say you'd get more of a reaction from people in places in California with a stunt like that with the appropriate slogans.
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[13:16:00] <AzumaHazuki> why are people still flying the traitors' war flag?
[13:16:09] <FatPhil> Anywhere in the US where the locals have no appreciation of nuanced humour.
[13:16:18] <FatPhil> Heck, they can't even spell it!
[13:16:47] <FatPhil> I demand a recount - I'm sure the south won!
[13:16:50] <boru> I'm sure the British are asking the USA that same question, AzumaHazuki.
[13:17:10] <AzumaHazuki> simple: we won
[13:17:17] <FatPhil> boru: we brits just love the Alaskan state flag ;-)
[13:17:40] <boru> Is it a union jack?
[13:17:50] <boru> Or a red cross or something?
[13:18:26] <FatPhil> there's a union flag embedded in it, yup
[13:18:51] <boru> You sure? Seems to be Ursa Major.
[13:19:04] <boru> It's more like an Irish flag, in that respect.
[13:19:29] <FatPhil> Hawaii?
[13:19:52] <boru> I can't say I'm familiar with the flags of the individual states, personally.
[13:20:13] <FatPhil> Ditto - quite evidently!
[13:20:13] <boru> The Irish Citizen Army flies a flag with Ursa Major on it, though.
[13:20:36] <c0lo> Alaska war Russian, I s'ppose their way to how a finger to those mercantilists in the south. Even more so that they prohibited vodka for a while.
[13:20:41] <FatPhil> But indeed, it's Hawaii's, I'll try to remember that for next time.
[13:20:57] <c0lo> Hugging a grudge keep them warm.
[13:21:10] <boru> One of the New England flags surely must have a jack on them somewhere.
[13:23:04] <boru> From a cursory glance, it looks as if, even historically, none of them had it bar Hawaii.
[13:26:30] <FatPhil> the relation we had with the pacific islands was quite different from that which we had with new england.
[13:26:33] <boru> Some of them look as if they really weren't trying, though.
[13:26:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Baidu Rolls Out Paid Driverless Taxi Service in Beijing - https://sylnt.us
[13:30:18] <FatPhil> Yeah, I'd want a revolution just so I could get a new flag.
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[13:40:06] <c0lo> Get a Master degree, FatPhil, you'll have an extra motive for that revolution https://pbs.twimg.com
[13:42:58] <FatPhil> I kinda have one already, thanks.
[13:44:30] <FatPhil> Erm, what is the joke in that image?
[13:45:16] <FatPhil> Master's is correct. It's the degree of a master, thus should be in the possessive case.
[13:45:28] <FatPhil> ditto bachelor's, obviously.
[13:45:57] <c0lo> OK, will your revolution be televised? Just want to know if I can skip out for beer during commercials.
[13:46:12] <FatPhil> It might be that they couldn't find any candidates because the youngsters are all too badly edumicated in grammers.
[13:46:32] <c0lo> (hourly rate, I suppose)
[13:46:56] <FatPhil> I haven't found a grave that I'd be comfortable turning in - that's the only revolution I'm planning.
[13:47:57] <c0lo> Ah, no more new flag plans for the future, eh?
[13:48:47] <FatPhil> Fuck
[13:48:49] <FatPhil> Yes!
[13:49:13] <FatPhil> The pub at the corner of our building used to be a karaoke bar aimed at Finnish tourists, and it shut
[13:49:31] <FatPhil> but they never removed the Finnish flag from outside.
[13:49:40] <c0lo> Yes what? Televised or not?
[13:49:45] <FatPhil> I was planning on nicking that under cover of darkness.
[13:50:40] <c0lo> That Gil Scott Heron have let me down.
[13:50:59] <c0lo> s/have/has/
[13:50:59] <SedBot> <c0lo> That Gil Scott Heron has let me down.
[13:51:42] <c0lo> =yt QnJFhuOWgXg
[13:51:42] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Gil Scott Heron - The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (03:10; 2,184,285 views; 👍34,378 👎468)
[13:52:49] <FatPhil> See you on the flipside, c0lo ...
[13:52:52] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[13:52:54] <systemd> ^ 03Gil Scott-Heron - Home Is Where the Hatred Is (Official Audio)
[13:56:38] <c0lo> Got antipodal, yes, but was more sick and tired that filled with hatred
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[14:06:02] <FatPhil> well if we're having the revolution, we might as well have the aftermath
[14:06:07] <FatPhil> =yt KdToa-tgT2s
[14:06:08] <systemd> Search failed: Key not found: likeCount (std/json.d: 641)
[14:06:27] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[14:06:29] <systemd> ^ 03Jello Biafra - Shut Up, Be Happy
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[15:13:09] <FatPhil> feeling a bit braindead today - what's the simplest way in the shell to test if a file is older/newer than a certain interval back?
[15:13:46] <FatPhil> [ has -nt and -ot, but I don't have a reference file to compare against
[15:16:30] <FatPhil> find has -newermt but I only want to check one file
[15:21:12] <FatPhil> Looks like 'find' is one of those works-but-you-need-to-twat-it-with-a-hammer solutions
[15:21:20] <FatPhil> $ find Xscreenshot.0.png -maxdepth 0 -newermt "`date -d '2 hours ago'`"
[15:21:23] <FatPhil> find: I cannot figure out how to interpret ‘Tue 4 May 16:19:52 EEST 2021’ as a date or time
[15:21:47] <FatPhil> Dear find, ur derp.
[15:22:57] <FatPhil> -I gets it to behave
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[15:28:16] <boru> I wasn't paying attention, and it's probably too late, but wouldn't `-mtime` done what you needed?
[15:28:22] <boru> You can give it units.
[15:39:55] <FatPhil> dang, I knew there was a better way hiding in there - search on the manpage for 'data' didn't find the mtime stanza
[15:40:01] <FatPhil> date
[15:40:06] <FatPhil> brain futzed
[15:42:14] <FatPhil> Ah, however, that can only cope with day granularity, I'll need more granular than that.
[15:42:29] <FatPhil> boru++ but thanks for the reminder of that switch
[15:42:29] <Bender> karma - boru: 55
[15:44:56] <FatPhil> it looks like -newerAB was introduced in order to be able to cover some of the weaknesses of -[mac]time
[15:46:04] <FatPhil> gnu find is a classic example of code written by a committee ... of crack monkeys
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[15:58:22] <boru> You're welcome, old chap.
[15:58:32] <boru> And yeah, GNU stuff is fairly universally awful.
[16:01:03] <FatPhil> I find a lot of the BSD commandline tools to be underpowered, but GNU ones to be overbloated. Neither is optimal.
[16:02:21] <FatPhil> hahah, I noticed that I just said "manpage" regarding a GNU tool...
[16:02:26] <FatPhil> Definitely time for a drink
[16:05:55] <progo> lol. GNU command line tools bloated
[16:06:05] * progo stares at Visual Studio Code. love-hates it
[16:06:55] <boru> Editors will be something we'll never agree on.
[16:07:06] <boru> At work, a colleague uses eclipse. I really can't understand why.
[16:07:11] <FatPhil> no you're wrong!
[16:07:15] <boru> Similarly, he can't understand how I use vim.
[16:07:30] <progo> i never felt like all those GNU tools had more features than I could deal with
[16:08:39] <boru> But yes, in general, if you look at the source for equivalent GNU and BSD command line programs, there is a considerable difference in terms of amount of code, and readability. GNU coding style is bloody awful. I mean, style(9) aka KNF is also a bit shite, but it's like GNU just said "let's make it as unreadable as possible"
[16:08:45] <mechanicjay> I went from using Eclipse as my IDE to vim with a suite of plugins. I've been much happier since.
[16:08:54] <boru> AT&T syntax for intel assembly in as(1) is another fine example.
[16:09:12] <boru> Out of interesting, what plugins do you use for vim?
[16:09:18] <boru> Interest, rather.
[16:12:08] <boru> I use: Plugged (for management) and: YouCompleteMe, Taglist, Perldoc (so I get manpage functionality for perldocs), SpaceHi, Sprunge, GitGutter, Fugitive, Airline, NerdTree, quickr-cscope (for where I can't use YCM) and a few others I wrote myself.
[16:17:12] <mechanicjay> I'm using it mostly for PHP dev work, so I've got VDEBUG for remote debugging, phpqa (code style and mess detector) and fugitive. I've looked into the autocomplete plugins, but they all seem to be this heavy-weight pile of js, which I'm somewhat not interested in.
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[16:18:14] <mechanicjay> Oh, right airline and a yaml linter as well.
[16:18:41] <boru> I used to be the same, and mostly just used cscope for for navigation only. Then I tried ALE and YCM. ALE requires too much configuration for my taste, and is quite bloated. YCM on the otherhand, since it started using the LLVM compilation databases, is really something that I can't endorse enough.
[16:18:56] <boru> It misses some things for HDLs and assembly, naturally, but I wrote my own plugins for those.
[16:19:22] <boru> But I've never written PHP, so perhaps these tools would be utterly useless to you.
[16:24:43] <mechanicjay> Well, an autocomplete engine would be 100% useful to me, I'm just a stuborn old mule. Especially with a brain dead language like PHP where related functions have no consistency in the order of parameters. "Is it string first, delimiter second, or the other way around with this one?"
[16:25:45] <progo> I'm all in on Visual Studio Code's "language server" scheme. implement a code navigation (and more) module in a separate process connected by HTTP. then it's easily portable to any editor not just Visual Studio Code
[16:26:10] <boru> Hmm, apparently YCM will do PHP.
[16:26:12] <progo> it's hella confusing to figure out which PHP extensions you SHOULD install in VS Code. but once you do, it's a quick setup
[16:26:26] <boru> Fairly sure their "language server" is just LLVM's language server.
[16:26:43] <progo> huh?
[16:27:04] <inz> FatPhil, -newermt '2 hours ago'
[16:27:11] <inz> FatPhil, no need to mess with date there
[16:27:12] <progo> https://en.wikipedia.org doesn't say anything about LLVM
[16:27:13] <systemd> ^ 03Language Server Protocol - Wikipedia
[16:27:59] <progo> actually also correcting myself: it's not necessarily using HTTP, but whatever IPC works for the implementation
[16:28:00] <inz> FatPhil, I commonly combine -newermt and -exec to implement caching of some network resource
[16:28:32] <boru> So, it's not using this: https://clangd.llvm.org ?
[16:28:33] <systemd> ^ 03What is clangd?
[16:29:09] <progo> boru: that looks like a particular language server, for C++
[16:29:22] <boru> Not just C++
[16:29:32] <boru> LLVM can do a lot things.
[16:29:39] <progo> LLVM knows nothing of go and php and python
[16:30:43] <progo> Visual Studio Code's "Language Server" idea is for a protocol between a code navigation engine and an editor. I don't know anything about this clangd because I don't use compiled languages that much
[16:30:54] <boru> There is an LLVM compiler for go, and the language server is divorced entirely from the compiler.
[16:30:55] <FatPhil> inz: yeah, I'm trying to have some make-like "update the file if stale", where staleness is defined by a time delta, rather than a file dependency. (as it depends on an outside world resource)
[16:30:59] <boru> I am not sure what you're getting at.
[16:31:57] <progo> boru: it sounded like you said Visual Studio Code imported clangd and called it a day -- that's all for code navigation. VS Code project created the language server PROTOCOL, and created a handful of language servers for specific frameworks, languages and toolkits
[16:32:10] <progo> and other people created more language servers, and some other editors added support for the idea
[16:32:41] <boru> Okay, calm down. I didn't mean to insult your favourite editor.
[16:32:44] <boru> JFC.
[16:33:00] <progo> I'm confused, not mad
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[17:06:12] <inz> FatPhil, yeah, me too, I have in many a script a line like: find /path/to/file ! -newermt '1 hour ago' -exec wget -O '{}' some_uri
[17:06:37] <inz> and -q to wget too
[17:52:17] <halibut> If working on a list of files, ``find'' is probably a good bet (using the invocations already mentioned). I just thought I would throw out two other options, in case they are useful:
[17:53:00] <halibut> touch -d '5 minutes ago' HERALD ; [ "$FILENAME" -ot HERALD ] ... # Remember to remove HERALD when done.
[17:53:19] <halibut> perl -e 'exit(!((stat($ARGV[0]))[9]>time()-300));' "$FILENAME"
[17:53:57] <halibut> The perl line could be made more readable, but if you really want readable, you could use python with its named values returned from a stat call.
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[18:20:29] <FatPhil> halibut++ both good suggestions. Once my shell scripts reach a few lines, I tend to just hit perl for the whole thing.
[18:20:29] <Bender> karma - halibut: 15
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[18:30:22] <progo> "once my shell scripts reach a few lines…" -- python or php for me
[18:30:51] <progo> if I'm interpolating strings and I have to look up bash string and escape character syntax, I usually skip it and change languages
[18:31:53] <Sulla> well everythings fucked. everythin was going good wiring a pcb to my homemade plate for the bigger HP terminal keyboard keys. a single lead on the not-power side of the board disapeared into the board
[18:32:00] <Sulla> had it been the power side could have just pulled from another key
[18:32:02] <progo> in php you just have to look up every core library function every time you use it, because they never smoothed out the naming and parameter order patterns. but the syntax is easy! :^)
[18:32:48] <progo> "disappeared on the not-power side…" ugh, sounds frustrating
[18:33:34] <Sulla> I found the little circle the leed is supposed to go into, but cant get solder to attach to it enough to get the key to register
[18:33:49] <Sulla> and its not like its a key i can ignore like scroll lock, its the damn spacebar
[18:38:02] <inz> halibut, the perl one can be simplified as: perl -e 'exit((-M shift)>0.00346)' "$FILENAME"
[18:39:58] <halibut> inz: That is cool. I know about several of the -X operators in perl, but -[MAC] are new to me. Thanks.
[18:40:45] <inz> I personally hate that the returned unit is in days, but it's still pretty nifty
[18:41:25] <inz> But I guess it was a much saner unit at the time, world is too fast nowadays :)
[18:41:57] <halibut> It is probably overkill, but make does have a lot of neat features, like handling parallelization and paying attention to load. make could be rigged with a .PHONY target to always ``touch -d '5 minutes ago'`` a herald file, and then everything else could use that herald as a dependency. Then you could use make like usual, and it would only rebuild things that were 5 minutes old or more. Bit of a
[18:42:03] <halibut> kludge, though.
[18:42:43] <halibut> Days are a weird unit, especially since it is using the mod time of a file, which is stored in seconds.
[18:44:15] <inz> The make trick sounds useful, gotta try to remember that
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[19:48:10] <Sulla> Took an hour but i got the spacebar to work
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[22:03:41] <bacterium> teh don just launched a social media platform, and he's the only user :D
[22:13:56] <AzumaHazuki> lol, frickin' really?
[22:14:07] <AzumaHazuki> we are living in weird times
[22:20:49] <FatPhil> maybe I should finally join one
[22:34:30] <Deucalion> Why would you do that?
[22:35:35] <Deucalion> Oh wait.... isn't SN IRC effectively an old school social media platform? FatPhil... you are already tainted!!
[22:36:43] <progo> last time I saw that "Trump is doing a social media thing" story a few weeks ago, he had a less than useless business card web site that seemed to be soliciting speaking engagements. NO RSS. no federated social media. no actual feed at the time
[22:36:49] <progo> good luck to him
[22:39:20] <progo> https://www.donaldjtrump.com no rss, no federated address. fail
[22:39:20] <systemd> ^ 03Save America
[22:39:47] <progo> ha ha. imagine if Trump did IRC, and only IRC
[22:40:04] <requerdanos> Not hard to imagine. He tried that very thing with Twitter
[22:41:39] <Deucalion> I'm struggling to imagine that there would be a queue to engage him for an after dinner anecdotal humour speech or management inspiration type engagement or how to be successful in business thing. But then US is going to US.
[22:42:52] <AzumaHazuki> this country died a while ago. it's all over bar the civic equivalent of long, drawn-out death by multiorgan failure @_@
[22:43:03] <AzumaHazuki> what a time to be alive
[22:44:31] <Deucalion> All I can say is, US society just seems so combatorial (is that a word?) - everything has to be a contest or a fight. X v Y or A v B and everyone clusters to one side or the other and kills each other. No diplomacy, no middle ground.
[22:44:39] <Deucalion> Win or die.
[22:45:29] <Deucalion> But I am just an external spectator... I know nothing.
[22:46:00] <AzumaHazuki> that's not an unfair characterization
[22:46:20] <AzumaHazuki> there seems to be somewhat more cooperation in societies like Canada or most parts of Europe, especially the Scandinavian ones
[22:47:35] <kyonko`> Sweden never locked down
[22:47:42] <Deucalion> MIssing some nuance I am sure but that is how it looks from the outside to me... just bar fights, over everything, all the time. The smallest thing... fight to the death, make no progress in either direction but someone gets to declare they are the victor.. so all good??
[22:47:43] <kyonko`> hard to believe sweden is a 1st world country
[22:47:50] <Deucalion> WTF is wrong with this?
[22:47:56] <kyonko`> Deucalion: isn't that a crime btw
[22:48:26] <kyonko`> Sweden new it was a common cold virus mutation, no need to lock down, keep the vulnerable safe by isolation (as it always has been, or used to be)
[22:48:49] <kyonko`> The best place for someone on agressive chemotherapy and radiation IS A HOSPITAL ISOLATION WARD
[22:49:02] <kyonko`> but no, thats cruel, so you got to go home to some moldy apartment
[22:49:22] <kyonko`> its all a big joke, a humanist crock of shit
[22:49:40] <AzumaHazuki> common...cold...mutation
[22:49:48] <kyonko`> yes, common cold mutation
[22:49:57] <Deucalion> kyonko`, ????? Tell India that.
[22:50:08] <AzumaHazuki> as a healthcare worker? go to hell. I've seen this firsthand and this isn't a goddamn common cold. the cold viruses don't attack through the ACE2 receptor for one thing
[22:50:22] <kyonko`> India has problems with people dying from heat stroke or human excrement in streets
[22:50:34] <AzumaHazuki> you don't know shit about this, kyonko`. do the right thing and shut the fuck up
[22:50:37] <kyonko`> Ok AzumaHazuki, its literally EBOLA-AIDS
[22:50:54] <AzumaHazuki> up, the fuck shut. so sayeth Yoda.
[22:51:03] <kyonko`> the cholera outbreak in haiti in 2010 was brought in from nepal
[22:51:25] <Deucalion> kyonko`, my patience is depleted right now. Please stop,
[22:51:38] <kyonko`> not only did the nepalese UN "peace keepers" bring in a cholera strain unseen in haiti, they also raped kids
[22:51:52] <AzumaHazuki> and this has what to do with covid-19?
[22:52:03] <kyonko`> fume the air to kill the covid
[22:52:04] <Deucalion> Or the US? Or DT?
[22:52:24] <AzumaHazuki> kyonko`, that is some Trump-level ignorance right there
[22:52:59] <kyonko`> common cold kills people with HIV
[22:53:05] <kyonko`> well, the AIDS stage anyway
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[22:53:17] <AzumaHazuki> yes, because they are immunocomprom--eep
[22:53:58] <AzumaHazuki> thanks ~.~ gods above below and in between, that guy is proof that insanity is catching
[22:57:12] <Deucalion> Sorry... I am patience-compromised right now. Not often I kick from #Soylent. I am sure everyone will let me know if I mis-twitched on the kick finger.
[22:57:46] <AzumaHazuki> for some of the shit i got kicked and BANNED for, by comparison? absolutely not
[22:57:57] * Teckla applauds Deucalion
[22:57:57] <Deucalion> Seemed like a trolling bot to me. Ehh.
[22:58:23] <AzumaHazuki> he appears to be some form of psychotic or schizophrenic. he's mentioned ziprasodone (Geodon), an atypical antipsychotic, in the past
[22:58:36] <AzumaHazuki> plus he sounds like some other schizophrenic people i've talked to
[22:58:38] <Teckla> Not sure if it was a bot, but it was definitely a troll.
[22:59:08] <AzumaHazuki> oh no, he's not trolling. he's deadly serious. this is the kind of disconnected stream of consciousness you get from people with that sort of disorder
[22:59:12] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, if you were around when I first got my IRC stripes many years back you'd think I'd gone soft.
[22:59:30] <AzumaHazuki> i'm glad to see someone with some actual standards, TBH
[22:59:50] <progo> Deucalion: I'm super cranky today so I say go ahead and kick anyone. kick me if it'll make you feel good. :^)
[23:01:50] <Deucalion> progo, you'd have to actually piss me off to the point my eye starts twitching, be dumping some absolute garbage for a while and then you'd have to pray I kick you not jump on a plane and take it up in person :P You feel lucky punk :D
[23:02:18] <Deucalion> That was sarc by the way... I'm not flying anywhere... can't afford it :D
[23:02:21] <progo> definitely not in a fight-picking mood. I'll passs
[23:02:28] <progo> of course
[23:02:49] <progo> I do love to troll trolls in places where I am a mod, before I have to boot them
[23:02:55] <progo> but you have to be in the right mood for it
[23:03:45] <Deucalion> We try to keep #soylent open and go with the flow... but sometimes.... ucccch... enough...
[23:04:20] <progo> says to right in the channel topic
[23:05:41] <Deucalion> It just says to keep discussions civil... kyonko was civil
[23:05:55] <progo> he was goading AzumaHazuki I'd say
[23:06:01] <progo> anyway, you're fine. we're all fine
[23:06:12] <AzumaHazuki> i don't think he was, really...that's just how he is
[23:07:57] <Bytram> =yt "What a time to be alive"
[23:07:58] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Doja Cat - Cyber Sex (Lyrics) - Oh what a time to be alive (02:46; 14,968,090 views; 👍133,471 👎2,625)
[23:12:28] <Bytram> urk
[23:12:37] <Bytram> =yt "What a time to be alive" "Amy Allen"
[23:12:38] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - What A Time To Be Alive (feat. Pink Sweat$) [Official Music Video] (03:47; 999,547 views; 👍2,784 👎218)
[23:12:42] <Deucalion> Ehhh - anyway they just got a kick.. they can rejoin.... I just personally have a hang up about imposing top down moderation. Doesn't sit well.
[23:17:27] <AzumaHazuki> needs to be done sometimes. thing is, it needs to be done evenhandedly and with good reason, and we have a couple of bad actors in here
[23:17:33] <AzumaHazuki> they know well who they are
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