#soylent | Logs for 2021-04-22

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[00:12:33] <bacterium> for whom the radiator tolls...
[00:20:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt jbj2SSCOQks
[00:20:28] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- cat pronoun smackdown
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[00:36:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - University of Minnesota Banned from Contributing To Linux Kernel for Intentionally Inserting Bugs - https://sylnt.us - don't-bug-me!
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[01:39:37] <AzumaHazuki> time to go. tomorrow's shift is making IVs again, which i'm actually beginning to like. tonight's as a rounder/unit-doser. wheeee.
[01:39:46] <AzumaHazuki> caffeeeeeeeeeine, is a helluva druuuuuuuuugs
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[01:52:12] <Runaway1956> Sneezy Wheezy FatPhil ???? IT'S THE COVIDS!!!
[01:54:55] <Runaway1956> That vidya kinda sucked themightybuzzard - kitty didn't put any claw into that smackdown
[03:14:17] <Runaway1956> Potentially useful sight that should probably be hidden away in people's bookmarks
[03:14:22] <Runaway1956> http://www.oldversion.com
[03:14:23] <systemd> ^ 03Old versions of Windows, Mac and Linux Software, Apps & Abandonware Games - Download at OldVersion.com;
[03:15:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon to Bring Pay-by-Palm Technology to Whole Foods - https://sylnt.us - palm-pilot-project<br/>looking-for-handouts<br/>PayPalm
[05:12:10] <c0lo> 3 years back but I thing we missed it at the time
[05:12:17] <c0lo> =submit https://aiweirdness.com
[05:12:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Paint Colors Designed by Neural Network, Part 2" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:16:25] <c0lo> Color names: Surper blue, dorkine, stanking sanco, shivable peach, rose colon, cooper panty, bull cream, turdly
[05:25:01] <chromas> Sounds like a linux distro naming scheme
[05:47:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - OneWeb Lied About Starlink "Near-Miss"; U.S. DoD Wants Mini-Starlink Dish - https://sylnt.us - have-they-tried-making-Starlink-receivers-more-portable-by-giving-them-to-larger-humans?
[05:58:33] <chromas> It's weird that a near-miss is actually a miss
[06:50:44] <FatPhil> no it's not.
[06:51:29] <FatPhil> it is weird that an unsupportable opinion is still an opinion?
[06:52:08] <FatPhil> you're conflating the ideas of "nearly a miss" and "a near miss".
[06:56:07] <FatPhil> the confusion is part of the bigger problem of the degrading of the difference between adverbial and adjectival word use during the late C20.
[06:56:49] <chromas> You're not near the miss if you're already there.
[06:57:16] <chromas> Instead, you're a mister
[07:07:36] <FatPhil> Though the root of this particular problem might be the hyphenation - where did that come from? (note that I didn't use one, and thus did not address the question actually asked, apologies. Precision is key.)
[07:08:01] <chromas> I added it this time
[07:08:16] <chromas> Speech tends to lack hyphenation though
[07:08:26] <chromas> So anyhow, it's miss-adjacent.
[07:20:03] <FatPhil> the 'near-[noun]' does imply not-a-[noun] in other constructs, like near-disaster.
[07:20:33] <chromas> Does it become a disaster if you take away the hyphen?
[07:21:19] <chromas> "only linguistically"
[07:22:18] <FatPhil> nope, but that's because there was no need for it to be hyphenated either!
[07:22:50] * chromas sets hy-phenation to maximum
[07:22:55] <chromas> or is that hyp-henation?
[07:23:21] <chromas> I guess not because the p & h are both silent
[07:23:23] <FatPhil> As long as it wasn't an explosive sniffing dog
[07:24:18] <FatPhil> That's nothing - last weekend, I saw a man eating chicken!
[07:24:34] <chromas> "I-saw" isn't even a word
[07:24:45] <FatPhil> spelt "eye-saw"
[07:24:54] <FatPhil> "eye-sore", even
[08:15:54] <FatPhil> in the context of "Montana", someone replied "I live in one of the bigger college towns ..." - where would that be? Are there any even vaguely big college towns in MT?
[08:16:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Foxconn Mostly Abandons $10 Bln Wisconsin Project - https://sylnt.us - out-foxxed
[08:18:30] <FatPhil> Is this just a case of "guy who grew up in the shitholopolis of London has no perspective"?
[08:41:37] <chromas> Not sure about the town size but they appear to follow the standard "$state State University"/"University of $state" college duo all states seem to have
[09:22:29] <FatPhil> If the Estonians can talk about their "mountains", then Montanans can refer to "bigger towns", I guess.
[09:24:55] <chromas> True. It can only be so big before it quits being a town though :)
[09:29:46] <FatPhil> that's a judgement call - the traditional distinctions vary between meaningless and just plain bogus.
[09:30:30] <chromas> It's a spectrum
[09:30:45] <FatPhil> I identify as a hamlet.
[09:31:28] <chromas> or the transition occurs when you need to upgrade the storage type to handle the population values
[09:31:43] <chromas> from 65,535 to city
[09:32:49] <FatPhil> suddenly all towns with populations exactly 32768 disappear from the map.
[09:33:38] <chromas> and I'm assuming populations are unsigned because, unlike file sizes, populations usually don't go negative
[09:36:36] <FatPhil> I've encountered actual negative file sizes in my time, and no, I don't mean signed/unsigned confusion, actually negative ones - because "assumptions".
[09:37:06] <chromas> Does appending make it even smaller?
[09:37:43] <FatPhil> Unfortunately not. Doing pretty much anything with it crashed everything.
[09:37:48] <chromas> and deleting the file removes free space
[09:39:48] <FatPhil> (The assumption was that files' actual content followed some fixed-length metadata. So in order to get the file's length, just subtract the length of the metadata from the total size. Don't laugh. Embedded s/w engineers sometimes need to do weird things.)
[09:40:59] <chromas> The metadata was gone or wasn't fix-ed length?
[09:41:43] <FatPhil> the whole thing had gone, or never existed, due to a non-atomic write to storage.
[09:42:53] <chromas> oh, whoops!
[10:02:49] <c0lo> No beer was lost in the process, one hopes.
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[10:56:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's New Horizons Pluto Spacecraft is Still Exploring, 50 AU From the Sun - https://sylnt.us - Not-even-parsecs
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[11:21:22] <FatPhil> Apropos of nothing: https://www.youtube.com
[11:21:24] <systemd> ^ 03database
[11:30:50] <c0lo> database--
[11:30:50] <Bender> karma - database: -1
[11:31:03] <c0lo> FatPhil++
[11:31:03] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 117
[11:33:24] <c0lo> =submit for-the-weekend;skip-work https://www.bbc.com
[11:33:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Italian Hospital Employee Accused of Skipping Work for 15 Years" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:34:07] <FatPhil> I know italians - that's half of the population!
[11:35:33] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nbcnews.com
[11:35:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03After Suspending Male Student for Wearing Nail Polish, Texas School Changes Policy" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:46:32] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[11:48:39] <c0lo> =submit https://inews.co.uk
[11:48:41] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Spain to Give Pets Same Rights as Humans, a Breakthrough in the Home of Bullfighting" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:50:51] <c0lo> =submit enfucken-me-really? https://www.wkyt.com
[11:50:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Man Hit With $4,000 Bill After Year-long Jail Stay for Charges That Were Later Dismissed" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:55:46] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com
[11:55:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pfizer Finds Fake COVID-19 Vaccines in Mexico and Poland" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:58:36] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nasa.gov
[11:58:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NASA’s Perseverance Mars Rover Extracts First Oxygen From Red Planet" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:59:24] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[11:59:26] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03TikTok Sued for Billions Over Use of Children's Data" (25p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:00:32] <c0lo> =submit https://www.wsws.org
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[12:03:19] <c0lo> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[12:03:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Signal's CEO Just Hacked the Cops' Favorite Phone Cracking Tool and Became a Legend" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:21:55] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com
[12:21:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Biden USDA to Extend Free School Lunches for Kids Through Spring 2022" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:38:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> da hell? guys with nail polish weren't getting sent home in texas in the 90s. that shit wasn't uncommon in either the punks or the goths.
[12:50:18] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:50:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5538
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[13:26:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:26:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5539
[13:29:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Brace Yourselves. Facebook Has a New Mega-leak on its Hands - https://sylnt.us
[13:29:52] <Fnord666> https://signal.org
[13:30:00] <Fnord666> Go Moxie!
[13:30:08] <Fnord666> https://signal.org
[13:30:24] <boru> Pft, trusting Signal.
[13:30:36] <Fnord666> Exploiting vulnerabilities in Cellebrite UFED and Physical Analyzer from an app's perspective
[13:31:02] <Fnord666> Do you have a more secure messaging application recommendation?
[13:31:10] <boru> Yes: Briar.
[13:31:25] <boru> No phone numbers, no central servers.
[13:31:51] <boru> Cons: Doesn't do calls, sending images is coming in 1.3.
[13:32:18] <boru> But it's design features to avoid censorship and deal with infrastructure problems are cool.
[13:32:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> central servers are what makes a messenger useful. idgaf about anything that can't show me the same messages on my desktop or phone.
[13:32:50] <Fnord666> “We are of course willing to responsibly disclose the specific vulnerabilities we know about to Cellebrite if they do the same for all the vulnerabilities they use in their physical extraction and other services to their respective vendors, now and in the future,” Marlinspike wrote.
[13:33:24] <Fnord666> boru I'll take a look.
[13:33:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/or/and/
[13:33:26] <SedBot> <TheMightyBuzzard> central servers are what makes a messenger useful. idgaf about anything that can't show me the same messages on my desktop and phone.
[13:34:44] <boru> Okay. That is your opinion and prerogative.
[13:35:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so... SMS is fine all by itself?
[13:35:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if that server gets nuked from orbit, i'd like a fallback, but convenience is kinda important when it's viable.
[13:35:48] <Bytram> Ummm, wel, I take that back... dunno how to receive a txt on my PC
[13:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do but it's a pain.
[13:36:17] <boru> You can use SIP for that.
[13:36:42] <Bytram> that sounds like a lot of work to setup and debug?
[13:36:50] <boru> But yes, setting up a SIP gateway is a pain in the arse.
[13:37:07] <Bytram> answered my Q!
[13:37:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i expect it's easy enough if you do that sort of stuff for a living but i don't.
[13:37:32] <boru> There are third parties for it, but I wouldn't trust them, personally.
[13:37:38] <Fnord666> BY THE WAY signal has a desktop app
[13:37:52] * Bytram would rather same to local SD card, pull the card, mount on PC, look at from there
[13:37:56] <boru> I don't think it syncs between phone and desktop, does it?
[13:38:05] <Fnord666> yes
[13:38:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, yes, and if you run gentoo you have to reauthorize your desktop every bloody time the app updates.
[13:38:09] <boru> Oh, that's new then.
[13:38:26] <boru> Briar also has a desktop client, albeit fairly basic at the moment.
[13:38:35] * TheMightyBuzzard gave up on even using his desktop
[13:38:43] <Bytram> there were several complaints about signal in the discussion on Ars
[13:39:05] <boru> A lot of people lots trust in them when they postponed releasing server source for a while.
[13:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> frankly, anything that's not OSS is extremely suspect.
[13:39:18] <boru> But my main gripe is that they're a US tech company, and they want my phone number.
[13:39:44] <boru> I try to host as much as I can, but SIP is annoying to maintain.
[13:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, give em a google voice #. s'what i did.
[13:40:08] * boru chuckles.
[13:40:25] <boru> Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
[13:40:39] <Fnord666> TheMightyBuzzard so you have google voice on your phone?
[13:40:40] <Bytram> and they would have to succumb to a NSL (National Security Letter) which could include the provision that you can tell nobody that you got the NSL
[13:40:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> disinformation++
[13:40:40] <Bender> karma - disinformation: 1
[13:40:57] <Fnord666> Gotta love NSLs
[13:41:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, nope. i use the browser
[13:41:02] <Fnord666> and canaries
[13:41:07] <boru> Indeed.
[13:41:08] <Fnord666> gotcha
[13:41:19] <Bytram> I tot I taw a NSL!
[13:41:33] <Bytram> tweetybird++
[13:41:33] <Bender> karma - tweetybird: 1
[13:41:39] <Fnord666> I did, I did taw a NSL!
[13:41:48] <Bytram> Fnord666++
[13:41:48] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 31
[13:42:04] <Bytram> short break
[13:42:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really hope our database doesn't accidentally lose everyone's email addresses and all the ipid information if we get an NSL. that would be a tragedy.
[13:42:35] <boru> But then there are also US companies based in Switzerland who profess to follow "Swiss privacy laws", but basically use them as honeypots.
[13:42:54] <boru> I mean, you can't even trust the likes of NIST over there with their purposely insecure cryptographic standards.
[13:43:46] <Fnord666> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:43:46] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 430
[13:43:48] <Bytram> ya mean eliptic curve?
[13:44:00] <Fnord666> That would be an unfortunate tragedy
[13:44:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i prefer epileptic curve. more exciting.
[13:44:18] <boru> It started with DES, but yes, their curve recommendations.
[13:44:35] <boru> Shortening key lengths from 64b in the Lucifer cipher, to 40b.
[13:44:56] <Bytram> that would be a presumed admission of guilt... the Feds *really* do not like people who delete evidence.
[13:45:01] <Fnord666> I thought they shorted it to 56 bits
[13:45:04] <boru> And then the known insecure curve recommendations, bad PRNG algorithms, the list goes on.
[13:45:26] <boru> The first revision was 40b, no?
[13:45:32] <Bytram> Yes, ISTR 56 bits as well
[13:45:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it wouldn't lead back to you and i'm utterly unconcerned.
[13:46:07] <Fnord666> And didn't the NSA changes strengthen DES against differential cryptography, an analysis technique not discovered by academia for a decade after?
[13:46:07] <boru> Anyway, off on a tangent again. I like Briar. That is all.
[13:46:19] <Bytram> boru: Oh, might have been.... Oh, yes, I do recall 40... maybe for use for export?
[13:46:32] <Fnord666> Cool. I had not heard of Briar. I'll check it out
[13:46:41] <boru> Not sure. The information is certainly online somewhere.
[13:46:58] <Fnord666> Yes, export controls limited crypto to 40 bits
[13:47:09] <Fnord666> and classified them as munitions!
[13:47:59] <Fnord666> My thesis paper was subject to munitions control and was not distributable to foreign entities
[13:49:16] <Bytram> Need to get started about my day, but for those who might be interested, a dear friend (Amy Allen) is a singer/songwriter/etc. who signed with Warner Music and is hosting a free Earth Day concert in a couple hours: https://www.youtube.com
[13:49:17] <systemd> ^ 03Amy Allen - Earth Day Live Stream
[13:49:40] <FatPhil> Apropos of nothing: http://img.stanleylieber.com
[13:50:11] <Bytram> Concert announcement: https://www.instagram.com
[13:50:13] <systemd> ^ 03Amy Allen on Instagram: “APRIL 22 TUNE IN TO CELEBRATE EARTH DAY WITH MY FRIENDS 🌍💧🧡 i love them and i love planet earth”
[13:50:55] <Fnord666> @FatPhil I like that
[13:52:07] <Bytram> FatPhil++ thanks for the laugh
[13:52:07] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 118
[13:52:18] <Bytram> break time
[13:52:33] <boru> This is also a good version of it: https://www.barrypopik.com
[13:52:34] <systemd> ^ 03Barry Popik
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[14:07:53] <Fnord666> Amusing but also tragically true
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[15:35:50] <FatPhil> Mars Helicopter "Ingenuity" = unrealistic hegemony trip
[15:39:57] <bacterium> project stages: https://pastebin.com
[15:39:58] <systemd> ^ 03Official Project Stages:1. Uncritical Acceptance2. Wild Enthusiasm3. Dejec - Pastebin.com
[15:40:12] <bacterium> satan++
[15:40:12] <Bender> karma - satan: 21
[15:57:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - In Epic Hack, Signal Developer Turns the Tables on Forensics Firm Cellebrite - https://sylnt.us
[16:09:24] <AzumaHazuki> niiiiiiice
[16:32:06] <progo> https://m.xkcd.com "Excel is adding a lambda fucntion, so you can recursively define functions." what could possibly go wrong?
[16:32:07] <systemd> ^ 03xkcd: Excel Lambda
[16:50:11] <FatPhil> does it have a javascript interpreter yet?
[16:50:37] <FatPhil> and a spreadsheet-DOM for it to rain chaos over
[17:07:46] <progo> Excel had always had a VBA interpreter. can't be much better or worse than javascript
[17:08:16] <progo> you can attach Basic code modules to the spreadsheet and trigger that code from events and computations in the document
[17:54:51] <AzumaHazuki> yikes...i ran my body way too hard and collapsed >< now people are speaking of "6 week medical leave" and "adrenal collapse" and such.
[17:55:10] <AzumaHazuki> this has been a stupid goddamn morning
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[18:25:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Deepens Emissions Target at Climate Summit, Goal Called "Game Changing" - https://sylnt.us - more-than-just-a-"game"
[18:35:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Brace Yourselves. Facebook has a New Mega-Leak on its Hands - https://sylnt.us - everything-is-different-but-nothing-has-changed
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[19:07:59] <chromas> https://m.media-amazon.com
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[20:57:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mars Helicopter Ingenuity Flies Higher and Longer on Red Planet in 2nd Flight - https://sylnt.us - now-they-need-helicoptor-that-works-in-a-vacuum
[21:02:23] <chromas> How would a helicopter work in a vacuum? There's not even enough room for the landing gear
[21:07:16] <Bytram> over a tank of compressed air?
[21:08:17] <chromas> And just how are you planning to fit the tank through the hose?
[21:21:40] <Bytram> Skinny tank? Fat hose? Why not both?
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[22:18:56] <chromas> I was closing tabs and got to that article about MS password changing and noticed that article is years old
[22:20:15] <Bytram> chromas: Really? I saw if just come out on Ars.
[22:20:47] <chromas> "Dan Goodin - 6/3/2019, 2:08 PM"
[22:21:21] <chromas> We probably posted it back then too but I'm not gonna check :)
[22:21:53] <Bytram> do you have a linky hady?
[22:21:57] <Bytram> do you have a linky handy?
[22:22:10] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[22:22:12] <systemd> ^ 03backSlash 22:22:11 = 22:22:11 GMT
[22:22:17] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[22:22:21] <systemd> ^ 03Microsoft Says Mandatory Password Changing is "Ancient and Obsolete" - SoylentNews
[22:22:27] <chromas> oh whoops that's just one I was 2nding
[22:22:42] <chromas> yeah that's the one
[22:23:43] <Bytram> hmmmm
[22:32:43] <Bytram> Strange. I am certain I saw that story appear on Ars. That said, this is not the first time that I've found an old story suddenly appear as if it were just published.
[22:32:50] <Bytram> chromas++
[22:32:50] <Bender> karma - chromas: 349
[22:35:52] <chromas> Nothin' wrong with the ol' dupe now and then
[22:36:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:00:22] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[23:00:23] <systemd> ^ 03MacPaint Interview and Demonstration, with Bill Atkinson and Andy Herzfeld
[23:00:40] <chromas> I thought I got that link from here but log search says no
[23:00:45] <chromas> so now you have to watch it :D
[23:14:59] <chromas> "I was gonna call it the Aids menu and somebody told me that there's this virus that's starting to go around"
[23:19:52] * bacterium looks like it's about to burst
[23:20:02] bacterium is now known as virions
[23:25:00] <chromas> /nick bacterium
[23:26:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cracking Open the Mystery of How Many Bubbles are in a Glass of Beer - https://sylnt.us - 99-bottles-of-bubbly-beer-on-the-wall...
[23:27:15] * virions get into beer
[23:30:43] * virions surround a cell and beat the crap out of it with heavy proteins
[23:31:11] <virions> move along, folks, nothing to see here, move along...
[23:54:44] <virions> s/e c/e living c/
[23:55:04] <virions> s/e/ee/
[23:55:04] <SedBot> <virions> movee along, folks, nothing to see here, move along...
[23:55:32] <virions> s/e\ c/e\ living\ c/
[23:55:55] <virions> gah