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[00:11:11] <c0lo> https://www.oxygen.com
[00:11:12] <systemd> ^ 03Postpartum Mom, Fixated On QAnon Conspiracies, Confesses To Killing Her Kids To "Protect Them"
[00:16:12] <AzumaHazuki> So, proposal for Bytram: can we start Spam modding Eth every time he posts shit like this?: https://soylentnews.org
[00:16:14] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | UK Will Investigate Nvidia's $40 Billion Arm Acquisition Attempt ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:16:29] <AzumaHazuki> he's clearly not posting in good faith, never changes, basically everything he says is like this...
[00:19:18] <AzumaHazuki> oh, and this on https://soylentnews.org feck, every single time he shows up. WTF is this guy's problem?
[00:19:18] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | I'm still alive... ( https://soylentnews.org )
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[00:27:44] <c0lo> =submit https://boingboing.net
[00:27:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Florida Lawmakers Demand Teen Genital Inspections" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:30:45] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, no we can't do that! Freeze peaches - IRC #soylent is the place to be civil, the soylentnews.org from page is not.
[00:30:55] <AzumaHazuki> lawl
[00:31:00] <c0lo> s/from/front/
[00:31:00] <SedBot> <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, no we can't do that! Freeze peaches - IRC #soylent is the place to be civil, the soylentnews.org front page is not.
[00:31:42] <AzumaHazuki> well, i know at least one staff member, NOT going to say who, actually IS deliberately targeting individual users for modbombing :) Not naming any names. But that's an admission the system's fucked
[00:32:07] <AzumaHazuki> i can't say said individual doesn't deserve it, but if we have a working noetic immune system in the first place it wouldn't need to come to this
[00:38:29] <c0lo> See? We want to keep Mexicans and Muslims and Judaics away from the front page, we want them joining the IRC channel.
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[00:43:19] <c0lo> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[00:43:20] <systemd> ^ 03A cybersecurity expert who promoted claims of fraud in the 2020 election is leading the GOP-backed recount of millions of ballots in Arizona
[00:44:35] <c0lo> https://boingboing.net
[00:44:36] <systemd> ^ 03Watch how MAGA man is against socialism even when he agrees with its values
[00:45:53] <AzumaHazuki> please, if any MAGA moron had internal consistency they wouldn't be in that tribe of lunatics. it's some kind of epistemological rot they've all god
[00:47:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What Sites or Apps Don't Support IPv6, and Why? - https://sylnt.us
[00:49:52] <c0lo> =submit if-you-want-to-riot-go-in-washington-dc https://www.wfla.com
[00:50:03] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Democrats Urge Citizens and Corporations to Fight Controversial ‘Anti-riot’ Bill" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:54:17] <c0lo> "Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 916,000 in March, and the unemployment rate
[00:54:17] <c0lo> edged down to 6.0 percent" https://www.bls.gov
[00:54:18] <systemd> ^ 03Employment Situation Summary
[00:55:02] <AzumaHazuki> ahhh, ze GOP ist all about ze law und order now zat it's not zeir people in charge of ze country, nein?
[00:55:45] <Runaway1956> https://www.cnsnews.com
[00:55:46] <systemd> ^ 03Report: Police Officer Brian Sicknick Died of 'Natural' Causes After Jan. 6 Capitol Riot
[00:56:17] <Runaway1956> So, no one was killed in the capitol riot except that chick from California
[00:57:30] <c0lo> No, you let the killing to the states.
[00:57:52] <c0lo> All hat... https://pbs.twimg.com
[00:58:21] <AzumaHazuki> careful, c0lo, you're being uncivil by mocking people...!
[00:58:26] <AzumaHazuki> you could get kickbanned!
[00:59:06] <c0lo> I'm not mocking people, I'm just pointing to a reality
[00:59:13] <Runaway1956> #tell Bytram about 'Zumi's sly innuendos
[00:59:13] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[01:00:19] <Runaway1956> https://www.engadget.com
[01:00:20] <systemd> ^ 03Union says Amazon interfered with Alabama warehouse vote
[01:00:41] <Runaway1956> I don't know that the article is very credible
[01:01:00] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, pointing people to a reality is mocking them. and being uNcIvIl!
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[01:05:29] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.engadget.com *yawn* woketards
[01:05:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Nextdoor Will Display 'Anti-racism Notification' If It Notices Discriminatory Language" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:06:35] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.engadget.com ain't dat RACISSSSS?
[01:06:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Facebook Will Remove Calls for Violence in Preparation for Derek Chauvin Verdict" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:06:48] <AzumaHazuki> on the one hand, there's no such thing as a technological solution to a moral problem. on the other hand, this should cause a few attacks of apoplexy in the deserving, that first one :D
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[01:09:42] <c0lo> (fucking Broadcom WiFi)
[01:11:15] <c0lo> Runaway1956, have you got your vaccine yet?
[01:11:37] <AzumaHazuki> lol, he's an anti-vaxxer. he's never getting it
[01:12:22] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.alternet.org Establishment Joe says nothing
[01:12:31] <Runaway1956> Nope, no vaccine for me
[01:12:42] <Runaway1956> Wife was sick for days from it
[01:12:48] <Runaway1956> sore and achey
[01:13:06] <Runaway1956> if everyone around me has the shot, I don't need it
[01:13:49] <c0lo> Hmmm... so that's not the cause from the sudden sensibility to sly innuendos.
[01:14:19] <Runaway1956> Sudden sensibility . . . ?
[01:14:49] <c0lo> Runaway1956, nvm
[01:15:26] <c0lo> Runaway1956, what if vaccines don't get one immunity from infection, just that one vaccinated has less chances to die of covid?
[01:15:44] <c0lo> Still no vaccine needed for you?
[01:16:06] <Runaway1956> Hmmmmm, you mean, like, if I don't play in traffice, the chances of being killed in traffic decrease?
[01:17:00] <c0lo> Good, so you took the decision to stay out of traffic for the rest of your life.
[01:17:29] <Runaway1956> Nope, didn't say that - I just don't play barefoot and naked on the expressway during rush hour
[01:18:22] <c0lo> Well, someone infected may visit you while playing barefoot and naked at your home and gift you the virus.
[01:19:00] <c0lo> A nuisance for the gifter, may be deadly for you.
[01:19:08] <Runaway1956> Heh - what does she look like? And, are you trying to imply that the COVIDS is a social (read venereal) disease?
[01:20:15] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah - it probably escaped your notice that I subbed an Alternet article
[01:20:18] <c0lo> A gorgeous female that just give you the friendly kiss of death on your cheek, good enough for you?
[01:20:35] * AzumaHazuki can only see one side of this and is still laughing
[01:20:35] <Runaway1956> When Alternet starts badmouthing Biden, you KNOW something is terribly wrong
[01:21:32] <Runaway1956> I guess turnabout would kinda fair play - I have gifted females with pregnancy
[01:21:36] <c0lo> "Become an AlterNet All Access Member" - no thanks, your information will be lost for me.
[01:22:28] <c0lo> "When Alternet starts badmouthing Biden, you KNOW something is terribly wrong" huh? i don't get it.
[01:22:31] <Runaway1956> But c0lo you don't understand, Alternet is further left than that SWSW site the commies always refer to
[01:22:55] <c0lo> Is that some arkansian kind of humor?
[01:23:07] <c0lo> And so?
[01:23:39] <Runaway1956> Intentionally obtuse? Alternet hates everything non-progressive, but they were singing Biden's praises just recently
[01:23:47] <Runaway1956> the media is falling out of love with Creepy Joe
[01:23:49] <c0lo> Everybody is free to badmouth biden, espeially when he does something wrong.
[01:24:03] <Runaway1956> the media is falling out of love with Creepy Joe
[01:24:53] <Runaway1956> Need I say it again? When even the far-left media starts badmouthing Creepy Joe, things are bad.
[01:25:13] <c0lo> But *you* don't understand, Runaway. I'll ask Zumi to explain to you once again about the stardom of the president and how it doesn't mater.
[01:25:32] <Runaway1956> LOLOLOL "doesn't matter"
[01:25:44] <c0lo> Partisanship is not a sport I indulge in.
[01:25:57] <Runaway1956> ORLY?
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[01:26:47] <c0lo> Not like I need to follow *your* guts, if you want rockstars as your president
[01:27:18] <Runaway1956> waitaminit - who said anything about "rock stars"?
[01:28:03] <c0lo> Oh,sorry, "popular presidents commanding heaps at their rallies"
[01:28:03] <Runaway1956> I don't even think we're talking the same English language here
[01:28:31] <Runaway1956> Ahhhh, so Trump is a "rock star" but the forgotten fool in the closet is - what then?
[01:28:48] <c0lo> For me is enough things like "900k+ jobs in the month of March", see?
[01:28:49] <c0lo> https://www.bls.gov
[01:28:50] <systemd> ^ 03Employment Situation Summary
[01:29:10] <Runaway1956> LOLOL - Biden created each one of those jobs, personally?
[01:29:19] <Runaway1956> I thought he was still all about lockdowns
[01:29:47] <c0lo> Whatever he wants to be in his closet if he does good jobs. Target of badmouthing if he doesn't.
[01:29:59] <Runaway1956> All they need do is to put the reins on all the Democrats locking people into their homes, and jobs will happen
[01:30:25] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, we both know nothing is going to change Runaway. This is for the benefit of anyone looking at the logs, right?
[01:30:44] <Runaway1956> I still don't think you "get it". Alternet was the most shameless of whores during the election - now the whore turns on her master.
[01:31:11] <Runaway1956> So why is 'Zumi talking about me, anyway?
[01:31:15] <c0lo> Deaths so far 581,541 https://www.worldometers.info
[01:31:17] <systemd> ^ 03United States COVID: 32,472,643 Cases and 581,541 Deaths - Worldometer
[01:31:37] <Runaway1956> And how many of those are "excess" deaths?
[01:31:57] <Runaway1956> Remember the odd coincidence that almost no one has died of a heart attack since the COVIDS happened
[01:32:31] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, remember, this is the guy who said "50 million dead progressives" was an acceptable price to pay for his vision of the country. That's, what, 1.15% of that?
[01:32:32] <c0lo> <I still don't think you "get it"> Of course I don't get it. If you lke toindulge in irrelevant factoids, I'm no gonna stop you.
[01:32:41] <Runaway1956> They have FINALLY distinguished between someone dying "with covid" vs someone dying "of covid".
[01:33:31] <Runaway1956> and 'zumi continues to run her mouth about me
[01:33:53] <c0lo> Bottom line, Runaway, it would be wise to take that vaccine. Seriously.
[01:34:22] <Runaway1956> It would be wise to get the flu shot too - and the last time I got the shot, I got the flu two months later
[01:35:43] <AzumaHazuki> well, time to go. have fun, c0lo. but remember, dOn'T bE uNcIvIl!!!!111one
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[01:40:40] <c0lo> Your choice, Runaway. Your granddaughter may pass it to you when she gets it from school next year, when the vaccine weaned enough to no longer provide immunity, just he lowering of the death risk.
[01:40:54] <Runaway1956> https://www.dailydot.com
[01:40:55] <systemd> ^ 03Police department invites Black crew to ‘dance off’ after officer hits TikToker with car
[01:42:58] <Runaway1956> "helicopter on mars fueld by open source"
[01:43:06] <Runaway1956> I thought it was fueled by sunbeams
[01:46:18] <Runaway1956> Elephant lives matter! https://kfor.com
[01:46:29] <systemd> ^ 03Elephants kill suspected poacher at South African national park
[01:49:04] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.thedrive.com
[01:49:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03We Talk F-15EX’s New Radar With the Woman Who Runs the Program Behind It" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:50:45] <Runaway1956> "the per unit flyaway cost of F-15EX in the newly minted contract as $87.7 million, "
[01:50:53] <Runaway1956> vs the billion dollar F-35
[02:07:07] <Runaway1956> more batshit crazy laws and enforcement - but at least it's in Canada
[02:07:26] <Runaway1956> https://globalnews.ca
[02:07:27] <systemd> ^ 03Hamilton bylaw officers to ticket people who use escarpment stairs for non-essential travel - Hamilton
[02:16:43] <c0lo> Someone explain them the mysteries of this world https://pbs.twimg.com
[02:20:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, you been had. Sonic don't do the whole waitress working on tips loophole.
[02:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> never has
[02:22:29] <c0lo> I've been had... exactly how? I'm not expected to pay any tips where I live.
[02:23:30] <c0lo> Or did you mean... sonic has been had, together with a whole industry in US?
[02:23:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> the wages listed. sonic always, always, always pays at least minimum wage. resturants can get away with paying less if their servers rely on tips but Sonic doesn't.
[02:24:27] <chromas> Some restaurants. Can't do that in any of the west coast states
[02:24:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> so they're guaranteed at least $7.25/hr and they still get tips on top of that.
[02:24:45] <c0lo> OK. Sure. Seems like the minimum wage is not enough for people to live on. Why's that my problem as a customer?
[02:25:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're not getting it. waitresses generally make like $3/hr plus tips.
[02:25:13] <chromas> Nobody said it was
[02:25:24] <c0lo> Pay your workers, charge me. Simple.
[02:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> or you can pay them based on how well they served you.
[02:25:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> comes out of your pocket either way but our way you have a say in things
[02:27:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and just FYI, waitresses worth half a damn make more in the neighborhood of $15/hr unless their place of employment is just shitty and nobody goes there.
[02:27:31] <c0lo> Why would I be interested to negotiate the pay with heaps of individuals? I want to enjoy the package. If you can't provide one, I won't patronize you.
[02:27:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> $12/hr of that in tips.
[02:28:05] <chromas> our local min wage is 13.50 (heh), then still tips on top of that
[02:28:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, there's no negotiation. if they give good service, you pay them what's fair to you. if they don't, you do the same.
[02:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> does it really hurt you that bad to have to decide their fate? are you that afraid of taking any responsibility at all?
[02:29:12] <c0lo> Oh, but there is. And the subject is my time.
[02:29:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> how much time does it take you to leave a fiver on the table?
[02:30:15] <c0lo> I don't have the responsibility for the whole world, TMB. I have only the responsobility over what I'm doing. Does it sound strange to you?
[02:30:32] <chromas> c0lo's starting to sound alt-right
[02:30:42] <c0lo> A whole lot given I'm not using cash for more than 5 years.
[02:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> who said anything about the whole world? i'm only talking about what you're doing. nobody wants you to decide the wages of some other table's waitress.
[02:31:08] <chromas> the card terminals let you do digital tips
[02:31:29] <c0lo> Occasionally, I migt have cash on me when travelling in the bush.
[02:31:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it's even metric. base-10 money. knock a zero off and double it.
[02:32:41] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[02:33:07] <c0lo> "the card terminals let you do digital tips" Not in Australia. And besides I don't enjoy taking time think how the waters waited and how the cooks cooked and how the receptionist receptionized.
[02:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got over a grand in my wallet most days. i don't do cards.
[02:34:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, if they kept your drink full, didn't cough on your food, didn't grab the glasses by the top, and got your food out on time, 15-20%
[02:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's no thinking to it unless they're giving crappy service.
[02:34:16] <c0lo> Either I enjoyed the entire experience and I'll come again or I don't
[02:34:55] <c0lo> " if they kept your drink full, didn't cough on your food, didn't grab the glasses by the top, and got your food out on time" Say... what? They never do it in Australia.
[02:35:18] <c0lo> And, thank you, I decide when I want my glass ful.
[02:35:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> isn't something you think about unless the service isn't good. and bad waitresses get awful hungry and find other employment.
[02:36:18] <c0lo> And a bad waitress guarantees I won't come into your place again.
[02:36:26] <c0lo> That simple.
[02:37:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> n00bs make mistakes everywhere. my stepmom was a waitress for a good long time and had to tell i don't know how many new hires never to grab other people's drinks by the top
[02:37:01] <chromas> =yt reservoir dogs tips
[02:37:02] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Reservoir Dogs: Mr Pink explains why he doesn't tip waitresses. (04:37; 286,088 views; 👍2,337 👎39)
[02:39:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i enjoy rewarding a good work ethic. and seeing someone do something they're really good at is a thing of beauty. capitalism ftw.
[02:40:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> gave a bagger at kroger a $20 last year just cause he was really a badass at his job. they're not even a tipped position.
[02:40:34] <c0lo> I enjoy benefiting from the whole package. And I'll be a return customer if so. Capitalism ftw.
[02:41:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> he was all *whoosh, whoosh, new bag, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh* with perfect accuracy, excellent space allocation, and damned fine speed.
[02:42:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, well of course you do. you don't like meritocracy. no socialists do.
[02:43:13] <chromas> HE can't be a socialist. He just said he doesn't want to think about anyone but himself :D
[02:43:20] <c0lo> TMB, do you try to make things personal and deprecating? Should I call bytram?
[02:43:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right, communist
[02:43:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, if you think your beliefs are insults, you should get different beliefs
[02:45:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, past my bedtime. ima leave chromass and culo to it.
[02:54:28] <c0lo> chromas, " He just said he doesn't want to think about anyone but himself" I think you may want to give what I textually said again
[02:54:44] <c0lo> s/again/a read again/
[02:54:44] <SedBot> <c0lo> chromas, " He just said he doesn't want to think about anyone but himself" I think you may want to give what I textually said a read again
[02:55:25] <c0lo> Maybe it would help if you copy/paste.
[02:55:35] <chromas> Nah, I read it enough
[02:56:00] <chromas> Besides, I can't get this lens adapter to stay on my camera
[02:56:08] <c0lo> Then abstain from misrepresenting it, maybe?
[02:56:15] <chromas> no
[02:56:30] <chromas> wait so if I read it again then I can go ahead and misrepresent?
[02:57:15] <c0lo> Then I'll understand you're doing in bad faith.
[03:06:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Plans ISS Withdrawal in 2025 - https://sylnt.us - replace-ISS-with-a-couple-SpaceX-Starships?
[03:21:36] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[03:25:52] <c0lo> =submit https://www.sfgate.com
[03:26:30] <chromas> Hm. No bot output, even on the terminal
[03:26:37] <c0lo> #submit https://www.sfgate.com
[03:26:38] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[03:26:53] <chromas> Also weird that they have an entire php script for every article
[03:27:03] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[03:27:29] <c0lo> bots don't like sfgate.
[03:28:19] <c0lo> =submit https://www.usatoday.com
[03:28:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03In This City Plagued by Poverty and Addiction, the Pandemic Isn't Going Anywhere" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:30:00] <c0lo> Those are at least two places biden has yet to address. Maybe his policies will.
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[03:32:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Hhhahhhaha
[03:33:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Spam modded, niggers
[03:33:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Looks like we got some cases of white fragility
[03:34:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Up innat bitch
[03:36:12] <Ethanol-fueled> White fragility.
[03:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> didja deserve it?
[03:37:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, i think i did.
[03:37:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, in a sane world, no.
[03:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff then.
[03:37:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahhaaha
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[03:37:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually, one of em didn't. fixing that.
[03:43:14] <chromas> I think it's weird how when looking at a comment on the site, its immediate children look like siblings
[03:46:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that's slightly annoying.
[03:56:33] <c0lo> =submit https://thehill.com
[03:56:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Study: China, Russia Played Role in Amplifying QAnon Conspiracy" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:04:40] <c0lo> =g "There are no good Republicans. Set them all on fire." site:gab.com
[04:04:41] <systemd> https://gab.com - Status / Gab Social
[04:05:04] <c0lo> Who upset him that much?
[04:49:37] <progo> Russia and China probably
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[04:51:12] * Ethanol-fueled finally read some logs
[04:51:34] <progo> find anything?
[04:51:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Asume, you bitch faggot nancy, can you at least respond to my posts under your name with a reply when you mod bomb them?
[04:51:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Azuma^
[04:52:06] <Ethanol-fueled> I mean, come on, the stakes aren't that high.
[04:52:22] <progo> my Eudora Mail emotion filter tells me you sound angry
[04:52:27] <Ethanol-fueled> And the posts you were bitching about weren't even bitching about compared to others tonight.
[04:53:12] <c0lo> progo: s/angry/uncivil/
[04:53:12] <SedBot> <c0lo> <progo> my Eudora Mail emotion filter tells me you sound uncivil
[04:53:17] <Ethanol-fueled> You're only reinforcing my confirmation bias about crybaby worm Jews when you pull sheeit like dat.
[04:53:39] <progo> Eudora Mail assumed angry leads to uncivil and told you you might want to leave that message in Drafts and go sleep
[04:54:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Perhaps my posts would be more palatable if I stuck to insulting beaners and Blacks rather than Jews.
[04:54:35] <progo> I'm white and bisexual. got any insults for me? I'm bored
[04:55:48] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll be sure to point all the angry Blacks toward the Jewish neighborhoods, in your honor, if those angry Blacks decide to behave in an unruly manner.
[04:56:39] <Ethanol-fueled> There is, after all, no better way to get back at racial injustice than looting. Air Jordans, that is.
[04:57:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Perhaps some DKNY jeans and Ed Hardy T-shirts.
[04:58:33] <c0lo> he doesn't seem to have one, progo
[04:59:59] <Ethanol-fueled> I have not being an inbred unlikeable enemy of every society I manage to infest. Unless you count yours. HahahahHEEEHEEHOOOOOO!
[05:00:42] <progo> he's a little more amusing the drunk fool I have to ban from another chat room every 4 days or so
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[05:06:55] <c0lo> I don't get it why he cares that much of being modded spam. I mean, that's quite a logical reaction.
[05:07:27] <progo> meh. if I ever get modded down I just shut up
[05:07:32] <progo> life's short
[05:09:15] <c0lo> The surprise is having him reacting as expected from a normal human. Considerations on wasted time on S/N would prevent him of posting in the first place.
[05:48:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Screams of "Joy" are Often Mistaken for "Fear" When Heard Out of Context - https://sylnt.us - Edvard-Munch
[05:50:54] <chromas> One group in the study received surprise pizzas while the control group got facehuggers
[05:51:11] <progo> Dominos? or something else?
[05:56:24] <chromas> Yeah, only Dominos invokes the screams of fear they needed for the study. Well, there's Papa Johns, but they couldn't get approval from the ethics committee
[05:56:41] <progo> chromas++
[05:56:41] <Bender> karma - chromas: 346
[06:08:13] <c0lo> =submit https://www.seattletimes.com
[06:08:16] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03FedEx Close to a Deal to Operate Out of Paine Field as Boeing Abandons its 787 Dreamlifter Center" (34p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:38:24] <FatPhil> progo++
[06:38:24] <Bender> karma - progo: 2
[06:39:40] <c0lo> How to turn your children into lefties https://apnews.com
[06:39:41] <systemd> ^ 03Report: Missouri lawmaker should be ousted for alleged abuse
[06:52:17] <FatPhil> out of the two most obvious boxes to tick, the first paragraphs were screaming "churchy" more than "righty" to be honest.
[06:53:57] <FatPhil> which the 7th paragraph delivers
[07:11:38] <c0lo> Well, seems to work from multiple starting points towards the destination (grin)
[07:13:31] <c0lo> How to keep kids away from being racist: roll your pickup truck over the black ones while they are still kids https://www.kiro7.com
[07:13:33] <systemd> ^ 03Police: Man tried to run over Black children after racially charged playground fight
[07:26:48] <c0lo> =submit translation-for-the-language-of-wales-is-next https://www.nationalgeographic.com
[07:26:51] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Groundbreaking Effort Launched to Decode Whale Language" (52p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:28:47] <c0lo> =submit fbi-was-missing-them https://arstechnica.com
[07:28:50] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Parler Re-platformed as Apple Allows Social Network Back Into App Store" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:30:08] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com
[07:30:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Toyota Unveils New Electric SUV, the BZ4X, Plans 15 Models by 2025" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:34:03] <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[07:34:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Microsoft Says Mandatory Password Changing is “Ancient and Obsolete”" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:42:05] <FatPhil> https://theoatmeal.com
[07:42:05] <systemd> ^ 03The evolution of our spines and speech - The Oatmeal
[08:02:05] <c0lo> Autocorrect features as an evolutionary factor for our spines and speech. Culminating with a pubic heat care system.
[08:16:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global Covid Cases Hit Weekly Record Despite Vaccinations - https://sylnt.us - stop-digging
[08:33:02] <c0lo> =submit https://jacobinmag.com
[08:33:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03WeWork Was the Embodiment of Silicon Valley’s Culture of Delusion" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[09:27:46] <chromas> c0lo++
[09:27:46] <Bender> karma - c0lo: 34
[09:28:44] <c0lo> Ugh...? What have I done?
[09:29:27] <chromas> jokes
[09:30:49] * c0lo needs to keep serious, looks like jokes have repercussions here
[09:32:01] <chromas> just incremental repercussions
[09:46:44] <FatPhil> you keep beating his drum?
[09:55:55] <c0lo> who beating whose drum, FatPhil?
[09:56:48] <FatPhil> you're the one with all the repercussions
[10:00:00] <c0lo> Ahh, yes. Let's beat this one again then https://www.youtube.com
[10:00:01] <systemd> ^ 03Boka Camara plays Dununba 2005 // NEW UPLOAD
[10:15:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, that's beating his drum again not keeping beating it
[10:15:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:15:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5536
[10:33:04] <FatPhil> fuck me, that's not a random number
[10:33:14] <FatPhil> just logged into my bank with "636369"
[10:45:33] <chromas> It's random. It's just not prime
[10:46:08] <chromas> They're trying to encourage you to buy into subprime mortgages
[10:47:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> no way. if they can't even put the effort in to calculate a few primes, i don't trust them to put the effort in with my money.
[10:47:50] * TheMightyBuzzard demands a prime mortgage
[10:48:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cracking the Case: New Study Sheds More Light on the "Brazil Nut Effect" - https://sylnt.us - nuts-about-research-about-nuts
[10:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> and not just any prime, i want the only even prime.
[10:51:50] <chromas> Is three an even prime?
[10:52:03] <chromas> It's the second one, right? So that makes it even
[10:53:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but it's a magic number
[10:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt three is a magic number
[10:53:46] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Schoolhouse Rock - 3 Is A Magic Number
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[11:49:21] <FatPhil> waaaaaah!!!! one of the websites I use every fucking day, and have done for years, has just modernised their UI. Why do idiots do that? Now I have to re-learn everything that I do there.
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[11:50:24] <boru> Yeah, UI designers are the worst. Pushing redesigns keeps them in a job for another 5 years.
[11:50:52] <boru> And they all opt for the same horrible styles at the same time, so it's nothing to do with artistic expression.
[11:51:36] <FatPhil> There's one form of pondlife worse than UI designers, and that's "UX gurus".
[11:51:54] <AzumaHazuki> what the haemorrhaging fuck is a UX guru?
[11:52:25] <FatPhil> It's like a UI expert, but uses the word "engagement" twice in every sentence.
[11:53:41] <AzumaHazuki> ah...so someone who'd actually *deserve* a well-placed Cone of Disintegration
[11:54:02] <boru> IMHO, human interfaces to computers have gotten progressively worse, that is, they have increased in worseness, over the last five years or so. Prior to that, the worseness was almost linear.
[11:54:05] <FatPhil> I have one now-unfashionable opinion about user interfaces - I don't want to enjoy them, I don't even want to notice them, if I notice them then that means they have got in the way of me doing what I actually want to do.
[11:54:30] <boru> Yeah, I'm a firm believer in stuff staying out of your way so you can get things done, also.
[11:55:03] <boru> I don't care about your dialogue fade in/out slideshow wank. Demoscene is dead.
[11:55:51] <FatPhil> I think the tablets with their swipey capacitive screens have been a catalyst.
[11:56:30] <boru> Precluding instantaneous response from a program because you want to display some shitty animation or effect should be punishable by an excrutiating and long draw out death, justified by the long, drawn out wait for your bullshit GUI.
[11:56:50] <FatPhil> but certainly the drooling masses would eventually cause eye-candy to invade everything even without swipes.
[11:57:19] <boru> It's true. Computers are becoming too easy to use.
[11:57:30] <FatPhil> and yet harder for me
[11:57:40] <boru> Accessibility is good, but this big colourful friendly shite needs to go.
[11:58:07] <FatPhil> it's not so much "using" the computer, it's tricking it into doing what you actually wanted it to do.
[11:58:12] <boru> Eventually it'll be Eloi-level interaction.
[11:59:12] <FatPhil> lama sabakhthani
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[11:59:57] <boru> Designing a PCB, missing a component from a device library because you haven't installed it yet: "Oops! We made a super silly mistake :D:D:D:D Please forgive us, we'll try to do better next time <more emoji bollocks>"
[12:00:24] <boru> JFC, it's not myspace, we're designing shit to send into space.
[12:01:00] <boru> Okay, I feel better now. Back to work.
[12:01:24] <FatPhil> Looks like you're designing something to send into space - do you need help!
[12:01:37] <FatPhil> Is there a clippy ASCII-art emoticon?
[12:02:23] <boru> Yes, it's &FUCKINGANNOYING&
[12:02:39] <boru> Ampersands were the closest I could get to a paperclip.
[12:02:59] <FatPhil> bent mangled paperglips out of frustration
[12:03:09] <boru> Yes.
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[12:17:25] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Chromas reported "I think it's weird how when looking at a comment on the site, its immediate children look like siblings" to which you replied "yeah, that's slightly annoying." IIRC, I specifically called that out when you were redoing comments and came up with "Threaded-TOSS" and "Threaded-TNG".
[12:22:26] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, i seem to have a seriously loud and slightly threatening anti-fan in here who's taken to posting AC to bitch at me =P
[12:22:56] <AzumaHazuki> We know it's someone who's in this channel because he's accusing me of wanting to censor Eth by abusing spam mods, as per https://soylentnews.org
[12:22:57] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Jump in Cancer Diagnoses at 65 Implies Patients Wait for Medicare, According to Stanford Study ( https://soylentnews.org )
[12:23:12] <AzumaHazuki> opsec, motherfucker, DO YOU KNOW IT?!
[12:25:38] <Bytram> chromas++ wrt survey: "surprise pizzas" vs "facehuggers" LOL!
[12:25:38] <Bender> karma - chromas: 347
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[12:32:33] * AzumaHazuki wonders what happened to Blinky, Pinky, and Sue
[12:34:34] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: FYI. anybody can monitor this (and many other channels) while never having /JOINed them. See: https://logs.sylnt.us
[12:35:11] <AzumaHazuki> true, but the likelihood is higher than this is an IRC lurker
[12:35:27] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki++ and, ISTM, that you helped isolate a bug. =)
[12:35:27] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 72
[12:35:41] <AzumaHazuki> oh, how so?
[12:36:47] <Bytram> revealing it could further abuse of it until fixed (which will be anther couple months); so cannot say
[12:37:10] <Bytram> as you said, op sec.
[12:37:21] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:37:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5537
[12:37:56] <AzumaHazuki> ahaaa, THAT bug :) got it
[12:38:28] <Bytram> good enough.
[12:38:49] <Bytram> gtg get started on a busy day ahead. Laters!
[12:40:29] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[12:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, that's your usual anti-fan.
[13:05:23] <c0lo> =yt streets of philadelphia
[13:05:24] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Bruce Springsteen - Streets of Philadelphia (Official Video) (02:58; 143,648,650 views; 👍517,724 👎20,883)
[13:05:45] <c0lo> https://www.dailymail.co.uk
[13:05:48] <systemd> ^ 03Men struggle to stay on their feet in Philadelphia's 'Skid Row'
[13:06:08] <boru> I saw that video the other day. Truly dystopian.
[13:06:25] <boru> It looks like some cyberpunk novel.
[13:12:18] <AzumaHazuki> i wonder if any of the Mail's readers have any interest in a solution, or if they just want to feel superior
[13:12:54] <Ingar> Say it's the EU's fault
[13:14:02] <AzumaHazuki> too many people want to read things like this just so they can go "hurr hurr lib cities" or sneer at their fallen fellow humans
[13:14:26] <Ingar> I'm not laughing, Brussels is right around the corner
[13:14:35] <boru> Same as US MSM who fairly frequently push stories about poor conditions in other countries, I suppose.
[13:15:22] <AzumaHazuki> there's no easy solution to this, since this isn't actually a single-issue problem. drug use is one of the endpoints, not the problem as a whole
[13:15:24] <boru> Sending foreign aid to the US doesn't have the shine it does for sending it to countries in Asia or Africa, either.
[13:15:44] <boru> The difference is that the government has the resources to fix the problem, but they won't.
[13:15:56] <boru> Actually, I'd argue that it's a two-or-tree issue problem.
[13:16:17] <boru> Citizens of a country should have the right to their own home, access to free medical care and access to free education.
[13:16:32] <boru> I think that, with that foundation, people can do a lot to improve their station.
[13:16:53] <boru> Alas, the banker class won't allow that.
[13:16:54] <Ingar> I've seen first hand how people end up on the street
[13:16:56] <AzumaHazuki> what kind of commie-speak is that? we need that money to bomb the wrong set of brown people and give multitrillion dollar tax cuts to rich people and corporations
[13:17:04] <Ingar> a friend of mine now lives in a container
[13:17:15] <AzumaHazuki> after all, if you give money to poor people it just encourages them to keep...being...poor...
[13:17:17] <c0lo> Zumi, speaking of "just like to feel superior" and Springsteen, search for the lyrics of his "My hometown". Then search for the year it was recorded... were you born yet?
[13:17:30] <AzumaHazuki> i was born 6 August 1988, so...let's see
[13:17:52] <AzumaHazuki> a little before my time it looks like
[13:17:52] <boru> That's part of the problem, I guess. You have talking heads in the US that think anything short of "bombing bown people" or giving foreign aid to israel to "bomb brown people" is "communist".
[13:18:01] <boru> And so it never changes.
[13:18:19] <Ingar> the US _is_ the problem :)
[13:18:21] <boru> But the ivory tower is crumbling.
[13:18:57] <c0lo> never change... for quite a long time
[13:19:08] <AzumaHazuki> the amount of selfishness is mindblowing. some of us aren't like that. i remember being 3 when i saw my first homeless person, in the NYC subway
[13:19:37] <boru> I think a subset of people in the US are the problem. It's too large a land mass to declare the entrire country being the problem.
[13:19:39] <AzumaHazuki> with permission from my mother, and of course her holding my hand the whole time, i gave him the quarter i found on the ground the previous day. and spent a lot of time thinking after that
[13:20:24] <AzumaHazuki> she had to explain to me that 1) a quarter won't buy someone a house, 2) there's a lot of people like this, 3) most of them it's not their fault, and 4) one person can't fix this
[13:21:00] <AzumaHazuki> this is one of my earliest memories, which probably says a lot
[13:21:54] <boru> Where I grew up, we didn't have homeless people. A lot of poor people, but the rest made sure that no one was without the essentials. I think it worked because it was a homogenous community. That has all changed now, of course. People moving out from the cities, people moving from other countries. It breaks up that tribal bond that is, whatever people consider to be politically correct, how humans are
[13:22:00] <boru> wired. People with different values didn't trust one another or want to work together any more when it happened.
[13:23:53] <AzumaHazuki> i've given up trying to effect any real change. i went into healthcare partly because it's a way of being one tiny rock standing firm in this rushing river of blood and screams and saying "fuck you, not today, not here, not to this person"
[13:24:22] <AzumaHazuki> just being one small piece of a machine that saves lives is all i can really do.
[13:25:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dishy McFlatface to Become "Fully Mobile," Allowing Starlink Use Away from Home - https://sylnt.us - home-is-where-the-dish-is
[13:25:49] <boru> I think that constitutes effecting change.
[13:26:53] <AzumaHazuki> it's so very little. but, i suppose, important to those whose paths cross mine
[13:27:27] <FatPhil> I've seen a few examples that don't contradict your point about how we're wired because when you hear of them you think "now that is unusual".
[13:27:46] <boru> I think it's in the interest of the citizens of the USA to balkanise, personally. Change is easier at a local level. Some bureaucrat in the city has no idea why or how some farmer hundreds of miles away lives their life, ergo, they should absolutely not be allowed to legislate any part of their life.
[13:27:57] <AzumaHazuki> well...those four torturous nights in the IV room last week seem to have paid off at least. I can make most things essentially in trance now and at almost creepy speed, while still being super-careful about sterility.
[13:28:13] <AzumaHazuki> so at least, when it's my night in there, people will get their medicine quickly and cleanly
[13:28:26] <FatPhil> can you reach for the right vial without looking now?
[13:28:37] <FatPhil> remember to shout "stat" 4 times before jabbing.
[13:28:48] <boru> High velocity medication!
[13:29:09] <AzumaHazuki> everything comes through DoseEdge as stat. so you need to judge what to make first
[13:29:58] <AzumaHazuki> literal bleeding emergencies (vasopressin, vitamin K1, and octreotide) always come first, followed by other pressors (epinephrine/norepi/phenylepi a.k.a. "angry juice")
[13:30:29] <FatPhil> a tale from g/f's dad was that in .kr times, USAF meds were daring each other to perform multiple jabs simultaniously. He personally experienced 3 at a time being done. In one hand. The mind boggles.
[13:30:32] <AzumaHazuki> seizure meds are on about the same level as angry juice if there's a seizure in progress (midazolam, phenobarb, etc)
[13:32:50] <AzumaHazuki> i remember talking with the tech manager when he was in there watching to judge whether i was done with training or not about noticing 1) sterile compounding is an actuarial process ("how much risk will we tolerate for how much effort/cost?") and that I'd been using the Japanese concept of "poka-yoke" to obviate even the possibility of some errors
[13:33:06] <AzumaHazuki> he seemed kind of impressed, and a bit weirded out, that i put that much and that kind of thought into it
[13:42:16] <c0lo> Almost? Just almost? https://www.politico.com
[13:42:17] <systemd> ^ 03‘It’s almost like insanity’: GOP base continues to lash out over Trump’s defeat
[13:43:42] <FatPhil> are they "base", or are they "fringe"?
[13:43:45] <AzumaHazuki> almost, c0lo. not quite. because if they were insane they'd have an excuse
[13:44:08] <FatPhil> I see the RINOs as being more "Republican" than the q cucks.
[13:44:29] <AzumaHazuki> face it, the GOP base *is* the fringe now. the core is nuts, and the periphery is a bunch of, as FatPhil just pointed out, people the core constituency would now call RINOs
[13:44:34] <c0lo> Heh, like they need an excuse.
[13:44:40] <AzumaHazuki> the GOP is now the party of nihilistic know-nothings
[13:45:22] <AzumaHazuki> all the aggrieved ignorant stupid whining mediocrities who think they're gonna get their golden invitation to The Club (TM) in the mail aaaaaaany day now
[13:46:57] <Ingar> why do you americans insist on indentifying with one of two teams who both want to fuck you in the ass
[13:47:28] <Ingar> we have an entire rainbow of political movements and they all suck
[13:47:39] <AzumaHazuki> lol, NOW they want "diplomats, not bomb throwers"
[13:47:48] <progo> so we can bash stereotypes of each other in chat rooms
[13:48:27] <FatPhil> Making such an identification such a fundamental one that defines you, and what you are, and what you probably believe, etc. is extra weird.
[13:48:37] <AzumaHazuki> progo, these people are walking stereotypes, that's the problem. reporting on their insanity isn't bashing. if it seems like bashing, this is because you are at least halfway sane
[13:48:56] <progo> I voted for Trump in 2016
[13:49:17] <FatPhil> My politics would probably be almost the last label I would chose to identify myself by.
[13:49:22] <progo> what stopped me from voting for him again was his behavior in the last "debates" in 2020.
[13:49:46] <Ingar> FatPhil: exactly. They're "pokiticans" by definition they do not have my interests at heart
[13:49:52] <Ingar> *politicians
[13:49:56] <boru> The bickering caused by the illusion of sides is just manufactured to keep you busy so no movement can come together to really change things. It seems very polarised there, from a distance.
[13:49:57] <AzumaHazuki> that frightens me, progo. because what should have stopped you in 2020 AND 2016 is who and what he is and what kind of com-PLETE pizdec he made of the country
[13:50:18] <Ingar> please
[13:50:19] <progo> I have no faith in the election process. Georgia was probably compromised deeply, as were many other states
[13:50:26] <Ingar> Bush got president
[13:50:30] <progo> I don't have a political party
[13:50:31] <Ingar> three fucking times
[13:50:39] <Ingar> (if you count papa)
[13:50:46] <progo> I know who Trump is. I know he's an asshole
[13:50:49] <FatPhil> Unless you count popular vote ;-)
[13:50:51] <AzumaHazuki> yes, it's called gerrymandering, voter suppression, and whatever you call that shit with the post office. the GOP is doing it.
[13:51:05] <AzumaHazuki> progo, he's not just an asshole, he's a dangerous incompetent asshole
[13:51:16] <progo> ah ah. dangerous and competent asshole
[13:51:22] <FatPhil> Michael Moore was right, he was the "fuck you" option.
[13:51:27] <progo> he brokered a peace deal in the middle east, but no one reported on that
[13:51:44] * AzumaHazuki just...stares
[13:51:49] <progo> I'm not here to defend him
[13:51:53] <Ingar> wasn't it Biden who rolled out the tanks his first day in office ?
[13:52:02] <FatPhil> he sold trillions of dollars of weaponry to the middle east?
[13:52:03] <progo> it wasn't republicans who voted for Trump
[13:52:10] <progo> it was anti-Democrats, who are not a party
[13:52:28] <FatPhil> is selling fighter aircraft what "brokering peace" now involves?
[13:52:34] <AzumaHazuki> you know, there are some old looney tunes shorts where some character goes "now I've seen everything!" and shoots themselves
[13:52:40] <Ingar> tbh, If I were forced tho choose between Trump and HRC I'd vote trump
[13:52:41] <AzumaHazuki> i am beginning to understand this sentiment
[13:52:47] <Ingar> jsut because it's the more funny option
[13:53:05] * AzumaHazuki stares some more, wondering if 1) there is such a thing as a time machine and 2) where and when the Silver Millennium is
[13:53:40] <FatPhil> Ingar: yup, Trump was good for popcorn enthusiasts in Europe.
[13:57:59] * progo farts deplorably in the room he cleared
[13:58:29] <Ingar> it's dung season, I'm immune by now
[13:58:45] <progo> resume bashing a stereotype of me at your leisure. got meetings and stuff. cheers.
[13:58:54] <AzumaHazuki> that right there is a pretty good capsule summary of the average Trump voter's thought process actually
[13:59:04] <AzumaHazuki> seems to boil down to pure petty sadism
[13:59:20] <c0lo> "signing of the online sales-tax bill was announced by the governor’s office just before 11:30 p.m. in an email without comment." Sneaky bastard... a move worthy of a Democrat!
[13:59:21] <AzumaHazuki> that, and deliberately rolling around in their own muck
[13:59:22] <c0lo> https://www.clickorlando.com
[13:59:23] <systemd> ^ 03Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs online sales tax bill estimated to produce $1 billion a year
[13:59:40] <AzumaHazuki> wait, a republican creating a tax? hold the mother-lovin' phone
[14:00:02] <c0lo> At 11:30 PM.
[14:00:16] <Ingar> AzumaHazuki: it doesn't help your cause if you keep insulting half your fellow countrymen as idiots
[14:00:27] <AzumaHazuki> Ingar, it's about 1/4 of them, not half
[14:00:48] <Ingar> that's still close to 100 million people
[14:00:54] <AzumaHazuki> yes, and?
[14:00:56] <bacterium> yeah, AzumaHazuki, you should instead praise them as idiots, who knows, you'll be prez next
[14:01:06] <AzumaHazuki> wrong doesn't become right just because a lot of people do it
[14:01:24] <AzumaHazuki> all it means is they're gonna need to rent out the entire Malebolge for their conventions when they get to Hell
[14:02:41] <Ingar> so, if they had vote Hillary, would they have been "good citizens" ?
[14:02:45] <Ingar> *voted
[14:03:21] <AzumaHazuki> not necessarily, but they'd have been a damn sight less fucking stupid and caused less suffering for others
[14:03:32] <Ingar> well tbh
[14:03:38] <AzumaHazuki> remember, the president is only a figurehead: it's the people who come with him or her, i'd argue, that matter more
[14:04:09] <AzumaHazuki> i hated her on a personal level, but i also knew Trump would bring along a fat, smelly, witheringly-corrupt Apocalypse of horsemen with him
[14:04:14] <Ingar> so, why aren't you reforming the voting system
[14:04:24] <AzumaHazuki> no Death Note :D
[14:05:09] <AzumaHazuki> if i could make it so everyone who participated in gerrymandering was found with their bodies broken and contorted into the shapes of the districts they engineered i'd damn well do it. snap, crackle, pop, motherfuckers.
[14:05:26] <Ingar> so far, what I remember from US presidents
[14:05:29] <Ingar> "that senile actor"
[14:05:33] <Ingar> "that oil man from texas"
[14:05:39] <Ingar> "the sun from that oil man from texas"
[14:05:48] <Ingar> "the huy who had a blowjob in the white house"
[14:05:57] <Ingar> *the son
[14:06:00] <Ingar> and * the guy
[14:06:04] <AzumaHazuki> luckily for you there's these things called books, both online and in meatspace, so you can learn more
[14:06:25] <Ingar> nee need, I only have to remember a few kings
[14:06:41] <Ingar> and most of them were called leo or albert
[14:07:44] <Ingar> and you also went for the man instead of the message
[14:08:17] <AzumaHazuki> hey, when the message is identity politics, there's not a lot of separation
[14:08:32] <Ingar> just politics
[14:08:33] <AzumaHazuki> and when people make their politics their identity, there is no longer a separate target to aim at
[14:08:53] <Ingar> I confirmed to FatPhil that politics are the last thing to identify with
[14:09:02] <Ingar> (for me)
[14:09:32] <AzumaHazuki> listen and listen good, Ingar: evil exists in this world. people can willingly make themselves vessels and foci of it. at some point, when enough of their soul has been eaten up by it? Yes it is appropriate to attack the person as well
[14:09:49] <AzumaHazuki> because by that point there is as close to no difference as matters any longer
[14:09:50] <Ingar> no need to tell me that, I'm into customer support
[14:10:43] <Ingar> maybe I'm the BOFH
[14:14:49] * c0lo noted to never let Ingar believe I'm evil
[14:15:37] <AzumaHazuki> i don't understand why so many people seem to have a problem understanding that evil is a real thing, and that it can basically eat people whole if they let it
[14:18:19] <c0lo> https://www.unilad.co.uk
[14:18:20] <systemd> ^ 03Florida Passes ‘Anti-Riot’ Bill That Grants Civil Immunity To Drivers Who Run Over Protesters
[14:19:04] <AzumaHazuki> i can't even say i'm surprised any longer
[14:19:14] <AzumaHazuki> florida man, florida man, does the stupidest shit he can
[14:19:45] <AzumaHazuki> is he nuts? or is he bad? how did he get that gun he had? WHO KNOWWWWS?
[14:19:49] <AzumaHazuki> watch out for florida man~
[14:20:16] <c0lo> I guess the common tactics will be counter-protesters taking off at high speed in fumes of burned rubber...
[14:20:42] <c0lo> So, when's the next MAGA protest scheduled in Florida?
[14:20:54] <AzumaHazuki> all day e'rry day
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[14:31:04] <progo> https://www.flsenate.gov looks like in order to get immunity the people who were hit by a car have to have been convicted of rioting. Furthermore I don't see anything in here specifically saying "for example, if you ram through a crowd blocking the street". while it's covered by the law, it's ain't the legislature who came up with that brilliant idea. it's the MSM who's saying "come on, let's see some assault car
[14:31:04] <progo> carnage"
[14:31:57] <progo> and damn, reading these legal documents is mind-boggling if you don't do it every day
[14:33:53] <AzumaHazuki> don't be naive. it'll be open and shut. "i feared for my safety!" "well obviously they were rioting"
[14:34:10] <Ingar> "they're coming right for us" ?
[14:34:17] <AzumaHazuki> you need to think about the spirit of the law and how it will be used given the people it will likely affect, not the letter of the law
[14:34:26] <AzumaHazuki> i know you're not stupid so don't act like it
[14:34:56] <progo> the media created the spirit of the law this time
[14:35:35] <Ingar> we fixed this a long time ago, polcie can jsut give you an "annoyance fine"
[14:36:03] <Ingar> (litt. Municipal Administrative Fine)
[14:36:04] <AzumaHazuki> no, progo, they did not. read what i wrote again. remember, the law is not administered by impartial robots and bias is everywhere
[14:36:11] <Ingar> for "whatever we deem annoying"
[14:36:44] <Ingar> no trial, no repeal
[14:37:11] <progo> the law as passed literally says in the same paragraph that to get immunity for an incident like that, the people who were hurt must have been convicted of rioting
[14:37:45] <progo> * mean immunity and "must have been convicted of rioting" is in the same paragraph
[14:38:12] <AzumaHazuki> so, you mean, convicted of rioting and THEN it's fine to run them over?
[14:38:21] <AzumaHazuki> don't be an idiot. that's now how it's going to go down in the real world
[14:38:35] <progo> if you run through a crowd blocking the street in your car, you are not immune unless the crowd is convicted of rioting
[14:38:55] <AzumaHazuki> buuuuuut that doesn't save the people who were run down, nor make them whole afterwards
[14:39:07] <AzumaHazuki> and plenty of people might think it worth it to run a bunch of people they hate over anyway
[14:39:19] <AzumaHazuki> think, progo
[14:39:51] <progo> so, you're sayying the legislature wrote a law that says "go run down a crowd with your car. just make sure they will in the future be convicted of rioting."
[14:40:13] <AzumaHazuki> no. i am saying the legislature wrote what they wrote and it's a giant wink-wink-nudge-nudge
[14:41:22] <AzumaHazuki> though i like c0lo's idea of testing this by getting a bunch of MAGA morons all hot under the collar and then, for example, having someone just happen to be driving nearby while they're having their obese sweaty red-capped hate-orgy
[14:41:58] <Ingar> example of how y our hate towards "the evil side" is destroying you
[14:42:03] <Ingar> think about the dark side
[14:42:17] <Ingar> there's something to it
[14:42:21] <AzumaHazuki> no, Ingar, it's just me wanting to see the logical end result of this play out if the tables are turned
[14:42:31] <AzumaHazuki> quit the tone trolling already, it's not clever or cute or funny
[14:42:58] <Ingar> so, you assume, if I ay something you don't like, I'm trolling?
[14:43:02] <progo> we're quibbling over what the legislature shat out (which may be a bad law) and AzumaHazuki is ignoring the media crowing all over everywhere about this law and their angle -- everything they have to say about the law is "go ram riots with your car, because you'll be immune". the people propagating that angle are the problem and you keep calling me an idiot without acknowledging that
[14:43:14] <AzumaHazuki> no. i correctly judge that you're missing my point and whining on top of it
[14:43:22] <progo> I'm whinig?
[14:43:32] <progo> I just looked up the law to fill in my model of who said what
[14:43:40] <AzumaHazuki> Ingar is. YOU, progo, are deliberately missing my point and bullshitting
[14:43:57] <Ingar> I'm actually speaking out of fucking experience
[14:44:01] <AzumaHazuki> do you truly lack the historical knowledge and even a shred of imagination to figure this out?
[14:44:21] <Ingar> so please, call me a whiner :)
[14:44:36] <AzumaHazuki> experience, hmm? do tell
[14:44:44] <Ingar> I was the same in my 30's
[14:44:53] <Ingar> In the meanwhile I learned they can all go fuck themselves
[14:45:07] <AzumaHazuki> apathy is not the same thing as mature wisdom
[14:45:07] * Ingar eats more popcorn
[14:45:42] <AzumaHazuki> knowing one's limits, yes, that is wisdom. but to stop even caring? to stop thinking critically? that is the anaesthesia of the soul, and it WILL wear off
[14:45:43] <progo> I already imagined, someone is going to get the idea from the media that they are immune from ramming a crowd when some other action or inaction would have been better
[14:46:29] <Ingar> AzumaHazuki: knowing what not to care about is also mature wisdom
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[14:46:46] <AzumaHazuki> yes, and you are lacking discernment. it's becoming an excuse
[14:47:22] <Ingar> no, I jsut have a different point of view
[14:47:53] <c0lo> Ingar, just curious here: how's that your experience in fucking has anything to do with what Zumi likes or doesn't like? (grin)
[14:48:04] <AzumaHazuki> everyone has a different point of view. all opinions are not equal, and if there is a goal in mind, different points of view will be worth more or less depending on their fitness for said goal
[14:48:21] <Ingar> c0lo: as I said, I might be the BastardOperatorFromHell ;)
[14:48:35] <AzumaHazuki> sometimes i really wonder if most of humanity has even a half-functioning moral compass any longer, or if they ever did
[14:49:34] <Ingar> humanity does not want to be saved
[14:49:46] <Ingar> it needs to smash its face into the wall, then thingsw will change
[14:49:59] <AzumaHazuki> yes, i noticed. that's fine, but i'd appreciate it if they wouldn't smash mine along for the ride, if you take my meaning
[14:50:15] <c0lo> Mexicans won't pay for it, tho.
[14:50:33] <AzumaHazuki> same thing with the anti-mask idiots. if stupid didn't have a splash radius, i'd say sure, go ahead, leave the mask off. hope they have remdesivir in Hell.
[14:51:50] <Ingar> I'd love to chat more, but need to clean up a bit and pack to leave
[14:51:53] * progo wonders if any mask-not-required states have died yet
[14:52:16] <progo> last time I looked a few days ago, the fall of "cases" was slowing down about 10 days after a "mask not required" law passed
[14:52:30] <AzumaHazuki> way to miss the point again, progo. i'll break it into tiny little pieces for you: stupid, guilty people make innocents suffer. there are myriad examples.
[14:52:58] <Ingar> the story of the history of mankind
[14:53:01] <progo> I wonder and AzumaHazuki reads my mind. you keep saying "idiot" and I do not think you know the meaning of that word
[14:53:16] <AzumaHazuki> again, if stupid were "single-target/self" rather than area of effect, i'd have no problem with idiots winning themselves Darwin awards
[14:53:47] <AzumaHazuki> as to "idiot," it actually has a uniquely applicable force in cases like this. the original definition was someone who refrained entirely from politics and society out of selfish shortsightedness
[14:54:24] <AzumaHazuki> the word is ancient Greek, and its original sense survives in terms like "idiopathic"
[14:55:06] <AzumaHazuki> so a little more bluntly, anyone following their own (perceived) narrow short-term self-interest, without a thought for how their actions affect others? Yeah. Idiot with a capital I.
[14:55:54] <AzumaHazuki> and no, i'm not reading your mind. i gave up kids' books stuffed full of monosyllables about 27 or 28 years ago.
[14:56:22] <progo> lol
[14:56:54] <AzumaHazuki> that all you got? what's wrong, didn't expect that sharp a bite? don't fucking underestimate me.
[14:58:54] <progo> AzumaHazuki settle down a little and try to understand that you're partially right and I'm partially right. (and I'm not even sure what position I might be defending at this point.) you are very upset that half of the country is batshit insane. I choose to believe the sanity is about equal on both sides, and I'm not very upset by the disagreement happening in this thread
[14:59:19] <AzumaHazuki> you are wrong about the "both sides" part, by a tremendous margin
[14:59:26] <progo> okay boomer
[14:59:35] <c0lo> Guess what word this is about "its most common use was simply a private citizen or amateur as opposed to a government official, professional, or expert."
[14:59:46] <AzumaHazuki> a man who says the world is flat and a man who says the world is a sphere are both wrong, but the one who says the other two are equally wrong is wronger than both. can you understand why?
[15:00:16] * progo tries to imagine a nation half filled with flat earthers
[15:00:18] <AzumaHazuki> if you can, progo, you have a good insight into how my mind works
[15:00:43] <AzumaHazuki> and yes, a good 1/4 of the population is the political, and policy, equivalent of flat-earthers and YECs
[15:00:50] <progo> it would be a problem in a lot of areas of engineering. someone would legislate pi again
[15:01:13] <AzumaHazuki> this is not an insult. it is a description. when people believe what is demonstrably false and proven false, and will not change despite evidence, what then shall we do?
[15:01:41] <progo> burn down apple stores
[15:01:55] <AzumaHazuki> why?
[15:02:03] <progo> I have no idea. it's popular now
[15:02:39] <bacterium> facts are overrated. we've always been at war with flatlandia
[15:02:56] <c0lo> https://thehill.com
[15:02:58] <systemd> ^ 03Fire set at Apple store, other businesses smashed in downtown Portland
[15:03:37] <bacterium> oh c0lo that's probably just another battery pack explosion, probably a result of sabotage by an enslaved chinese laborer
[15:03:51] <AzumaHazuki> welp, we're officially in the "cool zone" now. we can't stop what's coming any longer
[15:04:08] <c0lo> I like iPhones. Compact and heavy enough for a paperweight.
[15:04:21] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, and to think a significant proportion of possible timelines ended up with me in Portland or Eugene...
[15:06:01] <bacterium> https://www.youtube.com
[15:06:04] <systemd> ^ 03iphone 4s skip across water
[15:12:14] <progo> I have one of those as my work phone
[15:12:50] <progo> AFAIK it's not waterproof but it has a cowardly 3.5mm jack that works with all of my analog 3.5mm gear which works with my other computers and handhelds that have 3.5mm jacks
[15:13:35] <progo> oh wait no, my iphone 4s lived a long life and got retired when I complained that the hard notification mute switch failed. I was issued the last one that has 3.5mm jack -- Iphone 6?
[15:14:15] <progo> yeah, Iphone 6s is what I have now
[15:16:08] <progo> I'm amused when I get a desperate email from IT about once a year saying that my company's IT department has not approved the new IOS update yet (checking compatibility with all our systems) and pleading that *I* personally mind all those prompts and do not allow IOS to update itself until further notice
[15:16:20] <progo> you'd think IT who owns the phone would actually own it, but nope. not with Apple
[15:17:47] <progo> nor can I as the local admin of the phone tell it to leave me alone until I personally dig into settings and request the OS upgrade be installed
[15:18:06] * Teckla is still rocking his iPhone 8. Still works like brand new.
[15:18:46] <Teckla> Love how long iPhones last and get updates.
[15:19:21] <progo> I hate IOS, but I'm pretty sure Iphones are supported WAY way longer with updates compared to an average Android phone or tablet
[15:19:49] <progo> factor in Android laptops and other weird things and the average support life is probably 9 months
[15:19:50] <Teckla> progo: What don't you like about iOS? I've never owned an Android device, so I don't know what I might be missing.
[15:20:14] <progo> Teckla: would it help if I clarified and said I hate IOS and I hate Android?
[15:20:17] <FatPhil> https://theoatmeal.com
[15:20:18] <systemd> ^ 03What it's like to own an Apple product
[15:20:30] <Teckla> progo: It does. You are grumpy, like me! \o/ :)
[15:20:52] <progo> I do use an Android phone I inherited from my wife, as my map and book and social network mobile device. I hate it a little less than IOS. I feel like I have marginally more control on Android to do what I like
[15:20:56] <Teckla> I would probably be perfectly happy with an Android device too.
[15:21:30] <AzumaHazuki> lineageos is good for that feeling
[15:22:20] <progo> some day I might buy a refurbished "Android" device from a vendor that promises to support whatever free OS they loaded on it, for a few years
[15:22:52] <progo> until them I'm not mucking about with free Android-forked OS cores built by some passer-by on a forum.
[15:23:09] <Teckla> I might jump to Android at some point, but if I do, it'll probably be a Pixel
[15:23:23] <progo> I just do my serious computing on bigger computers
[15:23:33] <Teckla> progo: Same here. Phones are painful to use.
[15:24:48] <AzumaHazuki> lineage is android without the spying bullshit. i got a pixel 4a a while back. it took 18.1 perfectly and is mine to control, not google's
[15:25:02] <progo> good good
[15:25:15] <AzumaHazuki> the phone interface itself sucks, but it makes a good mp3 player, browser, pdf reader, and i can call my friends on it
[15:25:31] <inz> what, you can call with a phone?
[15:25:59] <progo> my phone that's on verizon wireless (and has a wifi hotspot) is a Kyocera Cadence from circa 2018 with a highly customized, stripped down and locked fork of Android 2.x factory installed by Kyocera
[15:26:17] <progo> my other phones only get Internet via Wifi, when I turn on the Wifi
[15:26:27] <progo> third phone is a Blackberry Q10
[15:26:28] <inz> Xiaomi devices are annoying, you need to wait 2 weeks before you can unlock the bootloader
[15:26:34] <progo> I might just have too many daily driver phones
[15:27:28] <progo> I figure the Cadence flip phone is too weird to be much use to Verizon for spying on me any more than ancient phones that inspired it
[15:27:39] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: Do you still have access to things like Google Maps, the Google Play Store, etc.?
[15:28:00] <AzumaHazuki> maps, yes, in browser. i deliberately did not install google play/gapps
[15:28:17] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: Can you install the official Google Maps, etc., if you want to?
[15:28:18] <inz> You can use aurora store to access google play store if you really want the bloat/spyware apps
[15:28:49] <Teckla> Interesting.
[15:29:03] <inz> But I prefer my apps from f-droid
[15:29:28] <Teckla> Thanks. Just wondering. I'll reevaluate when my iPhone 8 kicks the bucket.
[15:29:50] <AzumaHazuki> i have f-droid yes
[15:29:59] <AzumaHazuki> i don't trust google even through aurora
[15:30:15] <Teckla> Wow, my phone is 3 1/2 years old already.
[15:30:31] <progo> Teckla: when it kicks the bucket ask yourself if you REALLY need a "smartphone" at all instead of a 15-key SMS and voice flip phone
[15:31:07] * FatPhil strokes his phone from 2009
[15:31:33] <Teckla> progo: I like having a smartphone. I use it all the time for podcasts, weather, maps, texting, web browsing, etc.
[15:32:14] <Teckla> Music, simple games, email...
[15:32:36] <Teckla> News, various 2FA apps, Amazon...
[15:32:47] <progo> CAPITALIST PIG!!! (just kidding.) it's nice, for me, to go to the park without a map and with only a flip phone for emergency contact
[15:33:04] <Teckla> IRC, Discord...
[15:33:05] <Teckla> Heh.
[15:33:37] <progo> I love taking shitty pictures with the Cadence. it's from 2018 and the camera is HILARIOUSLY underspecced for any handheld in 2018 with a camera
[15:33:45] <Teckla> I forgot about pictures... heh.
[15:33:59] <progo> yes I use the other phones for photos, if they're on me
[15:34:05] <Teckla> Alarm clock... timer... I guess I use my phone for lots and lots and lots of little things.
[15:34:13] <Teckla> Notes app...
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[21:06:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Hurry up with the goddamn verdict announcement!
[21:08:11] * Ethanol-fueled thanks his lucky stars he doesn't live around big stores or shopping centers
[21:08:58] <chromas> Can't wait for the mostly peaceful summers of love?
[21:09:26] <Ethanol-fueled> I live near a historically Jewish neighborhood. They won't let it happen here.
[21:09:43] <Ethanol-fueled> It'll be somewhere downtowney
[21:10:03] <Ethanol-fueled> City College would make a good rally point
[21:11:06] <Ethanol-fueled> WOrst case I can paint myself in blackface and get me some new Nikes
[21:11:09] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: Hi!
[21:11:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Hello Bytram!
[21:11:41] <Bytram> Suprised to see you here at this hour... what time is it there?
[21:11:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Holy shit, verdict is in. They threw him under the bus
[21:12:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Gonna be a lot of cops quitting, and soon after that there will be lawlessness anyway.
[21:12:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Either that or they will appeal it to death until everybody forgets about it.
[21:12:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Either way, a miscarriage of justice was done.
[21:13:02] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: do you have a link?
[21:13:15] <Ethanol-fueled> www.breitbart.com
[21:13:20] <Bytram> lol!
[21:13:24] <Bytram> anything else?
[21:13:43] <Bytram> https://edition.cnn.com
[21:13:45] <systemd> ^ 03Derek Chauvin guilty in death of George Floyd: Live updates
[21:13:58] <Ethanol-fueled> That doesn't even make sense to find him guilty on all counts.
[21:14:19] <Runaway1956> His supervisors convicted him when they denied that cops are trained to kneel on people to restrain them
[21:14:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, we're not gonna get any excitement out of this one.
[21:15:00] <Ethanol-fueled> it's going to be dragged out to shit until everybody forgets about it.
[21:15:24] <Bytram> "Former Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin has been convicted on all charges by a jury in the Hennepin County court."
[21:15:30] <Bytram> "The 12 jurors found him guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in George Floyd's death in May 2020."
[21:15:36] <Bytram> "The maximum sentence for second-degree unintentional murder is imprisonment of not more than 40 years. The maximum sentence for third-degree murder is imprisonment of not more than 25 years. The maximum sentence for second-degree manslaughter is 10 years and/or $20,000."
[21:15:38] <Runaway1956> You don't think so? I anticipate huge street dances of jubilation, after which we see looting sprees
[21:15:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Nah, nothing will happen.
[21:16:47] <Bytram> !grab Ethanol-fueled
[21:16:47] <Bender> Added quote 1037
[21:16:57] <Runaway1956> That, and the lowest classes of black folk will be a lot bolder now
[21:17:10] <Runaway1956> more Knock Out games, on both whites and Asians
[21:17:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahahahah
[21:17:50] <Bytram> "Just because you have silenced an opponent does not mean you have won him over."
[21:18:04] <Bytram> who said that, anyway?
[21:18:09] <Bytram> =g Just because you have silenced an opponent does not mean you have won him over
[21:18:10] <systemd> https://americanart.si.edu - "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him ...
[21:18:12] <Runaway1956> You just said it
[21:18:31] <Bytram> But I wasn't the author
[21:18:47] <chromas> you were though
[21:18:53] <chromas> the wording is totally different
[21:18:57] <Runaway1956> How are you feeling EF?
[21:19:05] <Runaway1956> Fever maybe?
[21:19:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha, no fever. Mildly annoyed.
[21:19:38] <Bytram> =yt cat scratch fever
[21:19:39] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Ted Nugent - Cat Scratch Fever (Official Audio) (03:42; 3,786,661 views; 👍33,570 👎1,814)
[21:19:39] <Runaway1956> Thought maybe you sick - you're having an intelligible conversation on IRC
[21:19:40] <Ethanol-fueled> And only because of this asinine verdict.
[21:19:52] <chromas> Disappointed you don't get to go collect reparations?
[21:20:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Hopeful that this will lead more states to support anti-rioting measures and more pro-police measures.
[21:20:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Not in my state, but in a lot of other ones.
[21:21:21] <Runaway1956> Yeah, man, we headed down to Wal-Mart tonight to c'llect some "reparations"
[21:21:24] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: I have viewed all the stories we posted on the trial. I do not see how they could have come up with any other conclusion.
[21:21:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, this was a kangaroo court that threw him under the bus because of threats from all around.
[21:22:05] <Runaway1956> I don't see that
[21:22:16] <Runaway1956> qualified immunity is under attack, and it needs to die
[21:22:31] <Runaway1956> If average Joe Dummy can be held accountable for his actions
[21:22:36] <Runaway1956> cops need to be held accountable
[21:23:00] <Runaway1956> Cops want all the gravy they can get, but they don't want no biscuit
[21:23:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Floyd was a jumped-up shitbag, they certainly could have picked a better martyr if they weren't so desperate to race-bait
[21:23:37] <Runaway1956> agreed - but it's not alright to murder random shitbags
[21:23:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Try being a cop, Runaway. Boomers can afford to be liberal because they already "got theirs" and benefited from a safe society
[21:24:08] <Runaway1956> *yawn*
[21:24:27] <Runaway1956> How about - I wasn't a cop, but big sister is a retired state cop
[21:24:32] <Runaway1956> is that anywhere close?
[21:24:54] <Ethanol-fueled> does big sister echo your concerns? Was she working the streets or a desk job?
[21:25:00] <Runaway1956> I've listened to her stories - and even she was sometimes full of shit
[21:25:25] <Runaway1956> Big Sis worked 12 years in a patrol car, before getting the deskjob she wanted
[21:25:55] <chromas> Was she trained to restrain with knee on shoulder or no?
[21:25:57] <Runaway1956> Crazy broad can't sleep without her weapons under her pillow, on her nightstand, under the bed, in the corner, in the closet
[21:26:09] <Ethanol-fueled> IF cops didn't have qualified immunity, nobody would be a cop. And what would we be left with? A Mexico-style society in which citizens illegally arm themselves with black-market guns.
[21:26:16] <Runaway1956> Restrain, cuff, then put the suspect in the car
[21:26:26] <Runaway1956> not ten or twenty or thirty minutes of kneeling
[21:26:34] <Ethanol-fueled> You guys are funny.
[21:26:35] <chromas> He was already in the car earlier though
[21:26:52] <Runaway1956> Some dummy left the opposite side door oopen
[21:26:58] <chromas> wink
[21:27:02] <chromas> oh did I just say that out loud?
[21:27:04] <Runaway1956> dick mistake, but not a mistake worth prosecuting
[21:27:36] <Ethanol-fueled> There are a lot of videos out there of cops trying to restrain jumped-up thugs.
[21:28:03] <Runaway1956> One thing, EF: Cops did NOT HAVE qualified immunity, ever, until about 1967, when a bunch of SC justices pulled it out of their asses
[21:28:08] <Ethanol-fueled> A perp on PCP can charge 10 feet in one second, and when that taser doesn't work, it;s shoot or be shot with your own service weapon.
[21:28:13] <chromas> I wonder if they included him in the covid death stats
[21:28:25] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas: you bet your ass they did
[21:28:26] <Runaway1956> lol chromas
[21:28:32] <Ethanol-fueled> he was technically infected.
[21:28:34] <Runaway1956> chromas++
[21:28:34] <Bender> karma - chromas: 348
[21:29:12] <Runaway1956> It was the COVIDS that made him counterfeit some money to start with
[21:29:36] <chromas> Should've been double-masked
[21:29:48] <Runaway1956> he wore two condoms
[21:30:08] <chromas> Doubling up only works for viruses, not sperm
[21:30:29] <Ethanol-fueled> I thought it was triple now. The rules change so much I stopped paying attention
[21:30:42] <Ethanol-fueled> triple masks, I mean.
[21:31:10] <chromas> If you're not wearing the whole box, I just can't even
[21:32:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, as irritated as I am, at least I can sleep soundly. There aren't gonna be any chimpouts, unless you count burn pits like Portland
[21:33:24] <Runaway1956> You sleep soundly wearing a whole box of masks, or a whole box of condoms?
[21:33:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Both.
[21:33:43] <Runaway1956> That's good to hear
[21:33:55] <Ethanol-fueled> The question is what happens when cops start quitting en masse.
[21:34:09] <Ethanol-fueled> It will be a Hobbesian war of all against all.
[21:34:13] <Runaway1956> Newbs will hire on - it's not a real big problem
[21:34:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Unless of course Biden's great leadership magically solves the race problem and we go back to 1995
[21:34:32] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah - constitutional carry for everyone
[21:34:34] <chromas> That'll fix the undertraining issue
[21:34:59] <chromas> butt Biden's leadership stoked the race problem
[21:35:00] <Runaway1956> WTF is this "Biden" you speak of?
[21:35:16] <Runaway1956> You mean "super predator Biden"?
[21:35:25] <chromas>
[21:35:46] <Runaway1956> as chromas says - biden created the race probloem - him, both Clintons, and O'Bummer
[21:36:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, with a new wave of calm sweeping the land, hopefully the prices of guns and ammo will drop.
[21:37:32] <Runaway1956> Nahhhh, O'Bummer was the greatest gun salesman in history, and Biden is positioned to outperform O'Bummer
[21:38:02] <Runaway1956> 'Muricans bought more guns during Obama's 8 years than the Russian Army
[21:38:23] <chromas> Real Americans™ would wait until demand is low for the better prices
[21:38:38] <Runaway1956> You mean capitalist Americans
[21:39:09] <Runaway1956> Real Americans™ anticipate troubled times and they're not worried about cost
[21:39:11] <Ethanol-fueled> It's not even a matter of price, it's that there's no fucking availability
[21:39:24] * Runaway1956 nods at EF
[21:39:37] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm gonna have to settle with a crossbow and a high-powered paintball gun with solid and pepper balls
[21:40:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Or I can drive to Arizona and risk getting gypped with a faulty firearm
[21:40:09] <Runaway1956> If you come visit, I can sell you something better - at a slight markup
[21:40:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Ain't gonna happen, sorry.
[21:41:06] <Runaway1956> *disclaimer - Runaway hasn't sold a firearm in more than thirty years
[21:41:12] * Runaway1956 is not a dealer
[21:41:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Gotta have a good attitude about this, either we actually do become more peaceful, or the increase in violence will motivate political action I agree with, hahahahah
[21:41:33] <chromas> You never said it was a firearm, only that it was "something better"
[21:41:34] <Runaway1956> Uhhhhmmmm
[21:41:49] <Ethanol-fueled> The blacks got their chum thrown out to them
[21:41:55] <Runaway1956> if the violence increases by even a modest margin, we're going to see the shit hit the fan
[21:42:02] <Ethanol-fueled> We'll see if appeasement works this time in history.
[21:42:06] <Ethanol-fueled> *chortle*
[21:42:34] <Runaway1956> Can you imagine Chauvin's thoughts and feelings?
[21:42:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Sorry homie, I only do private sales in full accordance with the law and only from close friends or friends of close friends.
[21:42:46] <Runaway1956> "The Union told me they had my back!"
[21:43:08] <Runaway1956> If done in Arkansas, my sale would be in full accordance with the alw
[21:43:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you. But I do disagree with your statement that newbies will fill the ranks.
[21:43:30] <Runaway1956> It would be up to you to smuggle the item(s) back into Commiefornia
[21:43:47] <Runaway1956> Another thought for you:
[21:43:54] <Runaway1956> there are already too damned many cops
[21:44:12] <Runaway1956> we STILL have Clinton's extra 100,000 cops on the streets
[21:44:12] <Ethanol-fueled> If they can make more money being a line cook, with far less danger, prospective cops will do it. A cop I know personally was asking me for a referral for an electronics company. He hates being a cop
[21:44:36] <Runaway1956> You've just hit on the reason I'm not a cop
[21:44:44] <Ethanol-fueled> I used to hate cops when I was an edgy young punk.
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[21:44:57] <Runaway1956> in 1983 when I got out of the navy, I checked salaries for different fields
[21:45:07] <Runaway1956> anyone carries a gun gets low pay
[21:45:28] <Runaway1956> Private security, local cops, state cops, even federal cops
[21:45:33] <Runaway1956> all underpaid
[21:46:06] <chromas> That's the real reason for the push to have teachers carry: their salaries will drop
[21:46:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Aint arguing there.
[21:46:18] <Ethanol-fueled> nice, chromas
[21:46:19] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahah
[21:46:27] * Runaway1956 laughs at chromas
[21:46:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Teachers are a whole other problem, in this state at least.
[21:47:05] <Ethanol-fueled> But could you blame somebody for getting full pay and bennies while not having to work at all?
[21:48:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Runaway, you seem to assume that if cops took on a kinder, gentler approach, then everybody else would magically become kinder and gentler along with them. Britain, France, Germany, and Sweden would like a word with you.
[21:48:32] * Runaway1956 wonders if they can take away the cop cars
[21:49:02] <Runaway1956> Who said anything about "kinder gentler"?
[21:49:05] <chromas> take away their cars an pistols
[21:49:10] <Runaway1956> I expect the bastards to be human
[21:49:13] <chromas> only shotguns and segways from now on
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[21:49:28] <Runaway1956> The donut asses can walk
[21:49:35] <Runaway1956> if they get tired of walking, they can run
[21:50:07] <Runaway1956> If/when they get promoted to corporal, they can have a bicycle
[21:50:45] <Runaway1956> watch commanders can have something equivalent to a Pinto
[21:51:05] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: rather than black or white results, what about shades of gray/grey? Though treating people with respect is no guarantee they will return the favor, IME, beating up on them most certainly lowers the odds of a polite response,
[21:51:36] <bacterium> in uk cops don't have guns, it must be like somalia got married to mad max
[21:51:47] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[21:51:49] <systemd> ^ 03Derek Chauvin Convicted of Murder and Manslaughter in Death of George Floyd - SoylentNews
[21:51:51] <Runaway1956> In UK they have armed police
[21:51:58] <Bytram> .
[21:52:14] <Bytram> I encourage folt to take this discussion to the actual site.
[21:52:14] <Bytram> .
[21:52:24] <Runaway1956> Bytram is one busy beaver
[21:52:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, my spam mod from yesterday was undone and then redone, and I'm probably EBP-banned for a day or two thanks to last night's tirade
[21:52:58] <Bytram> how do ya know there is only one of me? ;)
[21:53:01] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm not asking for anything. Just don't be surprised if I don't show up to that discussion tonight.
[21:53:03] <Runaway1956> think more post less?
[21:53:16] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck no, Runaway. I have principles.
[21:53:23] <Runaway1956> lololo
[21:53:30] <Bytram> I saw work of the undone spam mod
[21:53:30] <Runaway1956> principles++
[21:53:30] <Bender> karma - principles: 1
[21:54:11] <chromas> Does undoing spam mod undo ipid karma drop too?
[21:54:48] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: So, what (if anything) has changed? Do you intend to continue with your tirades against, e.g. Jews?
[21:55:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram - depends on the article.
[21:55:15] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHAHA
[21:55:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Derek Chauvin Convicted of Murder and Manslaughter in Death of George Floyd - https://sylnt.us
[21:55:41] <chromas> from the tech-angle dept.
[21:55:44] <Ethanol-fueled> I think it's safe to assume that I will never be coralled into "perfect" behavior as long as I can post there.
[21:56:16] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't have a problem with being modded down, but mod-bombing is cheap as fuck and its obvious that happens to me a lot.
[21:56:50] <Ethanol-fueled> I get modded down so that somebody else may not. I'm the Derek Chauvin of Soylentnews
[21:56:55] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAAHAHAHAHEEHEHOOOOOO!
[21:57:07] <Bytram> that *one* comment earned you TWO, separate, spam mods ( https://soylentnews.org )
[21:57:08] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Amazon's First Broadband Satellites Will Launch on ULA's Atlas V Rocket ( https://soylentnews.org )
[21:57:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahahahah
[21:57:54] <Bytram> so, are you a Derek Chauvin-ist? ;)
[21:58:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Damn right, brother.
[21:58:08] <Bytram> =g m-w chauvinist
[21:58:09] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Chauvinism | Definition of Chauvinism by Merriam-Webster
[21:58:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, playtime is over. I'm out. Maybe I'll attempt to post later and have a beer when I get the EBP message.
[21:58:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Peace!
[21:58:50] <Runaway1956> I always liked Katy Webster more than I liked Merriam Webster.
[21:58:56] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled:
[21:59:05] <Bytram> I'm looking at the mods
[21:59:32] <Ethanol-fueled> A'aight
[21:59:48] <Runaway1956> Just give him +80 karma for being so intelligible on IRC today
[22:00:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Goddammit Runaway, I ain't no diversity hire.
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[22:00:09] <Runaway1956> He'll be back to negative karma in a week or two
[22:01:25] * Runaway1956 considers creating a sock named "Diversity Hire"
[22:03:04] <Bytram> on the one hand, I dunno that a spam mod is the correct choice for the comment... otoh, istm that you squeezed in enough attacks on different groups, I fail to see anything of value to the post. I choose to err on the side of least interference and elect to not override the spam mod.
[22:05:07] <Bytram> And, I've seen nothing in your behaviour on IRC and on the site to encourage me to choose otherwise -- we all gave our "off" days, but this is yet another in a long history of similar comments.
[22:05:26] <Bytram> Feel free to discuss it with other admins.
[22:05:51] <chromas> Next April onest: All comments are labeled either Spam or Ham in the title bars
[22:06:32] <progo> don't forget to set the 'evil' flag true or false when composing your message
[22:06:34] <Bytram> chromas: s/Spam.../Green Eggs and/
[22:06:34] <SedBot> <Bytram> <chromas> Next April onest: All comments are labeled either Green Eggs and Ham in the title bars
[22:06:48] <progo> https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:06:49] <systemd> ^ 03Evil bit - Wikipedia
[22:06:52] <chromas> progo++
[22:06:52] <Bender> karma - progo: 3
[22:07:06] <Bytram> just a little bit evit
[22:07:07] <chromas> good idea and it doesn't even need to be stored in the db. just add the checkbox to the submission form
[22:07:09] <Bytram> just a little bit evil
[22:07:45] <Bytram> progo++ good one - got a laugh out of me
[22:07:45] <Bender> karma - progo: 4
[22:07:57] <progo> :^)
[22:07:57] <Bytram> break time
[22:15:03] <c0lo> https://thehill.com
[22:15:04] <systemd> ^ 03House Democrats push Biden to limit transfer of military-grade gear to police
[22:19:00] <c0lo> No more knees on the neck, no military grade guns, they'll have to resort on harsh language.
[22:35:15] <FatPhil> they should have nukes
[22:41:45] <c0lo> Better make it quick, in 9 years time there'll be no man in orbit.
[22:46:38] <bacterium> why
[22:49:02] <FatPhil> only women and inbetweens
[22:49:17] <chromas> transorbitals?
[22:50:01] <FatPhil> some have elliptical orbits, some don't
[22:50:52] <chromas> they're all on the elliptical spectrum
[22:51:19] <FatPhil> some are more eccentric than others, yes
[22:52:58] <FatPhil> that's not hyperbole, you know
[22:53:18] <chromas> no but you could go off on a tangent
[23:01:28] <bacterium> russia just announced they will pull out of iss by 2025
[23:12:27] <Runaway1956> hyperbolic, or parabolic?
[23:27:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese E-Commerce Website Touts Non-Existent "DisplayHDR 2000" Certification, VESA Responds - https://sylnt.us
[23:32:22] <c0lo> https://singularityhub.com
[23:32:23] <systemd> ^ 03The International Space Station Is Ailing. Its Replacement Will Shape the Future of Space Exploration
[23:32:56] <c0lo> Except they are saying "... what replacement?"
[23:33:40] <chromas> Time to get Elon involved so we get the Hyperloop...in SPAAAACEE
[23:33:43] <c0lo> Commercial side of the thing... ummm.. but NASA don't give us enough money.
[23:44:41] <bacterium> i favor bender plan, as most pragmatic and likely to succeed: just build a giant casino+brothel on the moon, and watch the investment flow
[23:56:47] <c0lo> I hear the regolith on the moon gets everywhere and is conducive to... ummm... an abrasive kind of sexual experience. Certainly appreciated by some connoisseurs, but won't have a large appeal.
[23:58:19] <Bytram> Also: troubled by old age? How about living where there is much less force of gravity to wear on your tired and achy joints/cartilage/back?