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[00:19:41] <AzumaHazuki> well, just one more night of this insanity. as long as i don't get a gluca-fucking-gon (or anything else similar) it should be okay but, goddess, am i tired...
[00:22:48] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: was wondering how you were faring, glad to hear you made it through, ummm, "okay"
[00:23:12] <AzumaHazuki> there's still another night of this to go and anything could happen
[00:23:51] <AzumaHazuki> i've learned a few things. 1) almost no one has ever done glucagon. 2) no one ever works four IV shifts in a row. 3) apparently i'm now faster than the night tech who's been there over a year and still much more attentive to sterility
[00:23:57] <Bytram> people stay home and work on their taxe?
[00:24:03] <Bytram> people stay home and work on their taxes?
[00:24:52] <AzumaHazuki> not likely. yesterday wasn't quite as nuts as the previous two but still bad. i was ahead of schedule, no rejects, no do-overs, no "I accepted it but do X next time"s, but...am tired and hurting and getting sick
[00:25:21] <Bytram> {{{ AZ }}}
[00:25:51] <Bytram> it's also the start of allergy season. :(
[00:26:18] <AzumaHazuki> thankfully, i lost most of the pollen allergy around age 18 or so. ...ragweed season is going to suck though @_@
[00:27:29] <Bytram> I've notices that even fold who don't normally complain of seasonal allergies do tend to get run down / tired / cranky at this time of year... so, even if YOU are okay, others may be struggling a bit and not even know why
[00:27:52] <Bytram> s/hld/olk/
[00:27:57] <Bytram> s/old/olk/
[00:27:58] <SedBot> <Bytram> I've notices that even folk who don't normally complain of seasonal allergies do tend to get run down / tired / cranky at this time of year... so, even if YOU are okay, others may be struggling a bit and not even know why
[00:28:34] <Bytram> take care of yourself -- get your eats and sleeps!!
[00:29:01] <AzumaHazuki> yeah...i've got this ridiculous B-complex that has like 11 weeks of thiamine per dose (and only just over 1 days' worth of the others) and it's working wonders
[00:29:15] <AzumaHazuki> makes your piss bright yellow and smell of sulphur, but the energy is worth it
[00:29:47] <Bytram> reminds me of the time when I ate Total cereal
[00:30:09] <Bytram> 100% of gobs of vitamins
[00:30:53] <AzumaHazuki> and as a bonus, you can shit actual bricks!
[00:31:07] <AzumaHazuki> you can also eat the box, as it tastes much the same
[00:32:19] <Bytram> thing is, a "serving" was like nothing to me. I used a 1 quart mixing bowl. Heap it full of cereal. Crush it down do it took up less space. Filled it with milk. Ladled on a couple tablespoons of sugar.
[00:32:41] <Bytram> An 18 oz box was about 2 1/2 bowls
[00:32:53] <Bytram> BRIGHT yellow pee
[00:33:49] <AzumaHazuki> yyyyup. that is the riboflavin/B2
[00:34:06] <Bytram> didn't notice anything else about it. Smell, etc. seemed normal, but that color! Could use it for a highlighter!
[00:34:44] <Bytram> could be fun to add some to the office coffeemaker
[00:35:14] <Bytram> 'cept heat prolly breaks it down, bet.
[00:35:18] <Bytram> 'cept heat prolly breaks it down, I bet.
[00:37:53] <AzumaHazuki> hm, wikipedia doesn't mention a breakdown point as far as heat goes
[00:37:55] <Bytram> Anyway, ya had a rough day in there, but you're plowing through, getting stuff done (with better sanitation), and think of all the people's lives that are better 'cause you were.
[00:38:39] <Bytram> "It is just as dishonest to deny my character assets as it is to deny my character defects."
[00:38:51] <AzumaHazuki> this is really burning me out, and i'm worried management isn't paying attention to things like "it's busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger with permanent jock itch" and just going "oh she needed an extra vial and 45+ minutes for one silly prep on the second night"
[00:40:28] <Bytram> So cut yourself some slack, eat something, stare out the window (we got some snow today!), take some centering breaths, and leave work behind. You are home. Is your head anywhere near your feet?
[00:41:53] <Bytram> Yeah, they *might*. Nearly killed me trying to be perfect so "they" wouldn't be able to find anything that thy could hang on me.
[00:43:33] <Bytram> When the system you are testing gets out in the field, and crashes, there could be 1,000 people out of work for 30 minutes to an hour until the system gets restarted...
[00:43:49] <Bytram> How come you didn't find *that* bug?
[00:44:05] <Bytram> That's what I was afraid they'd come back to me with.
[00:44:48] <Bytram> Today, I'd suggest that I gave it my best shot. Might also e useful to talk to the dveloper who *wrote* the bug, too.
[00:44:49] <AzumaHazuki> eeeek
[00:46:08] <Bytram> Oh, and that would be just one mainframe at one site. this was the Operating System, If it crashed in one place, it could damn well crash in others, too.
[00:48:07] <Bytram> Or, instead of being loaded down with a bunch of timesharing with 1K users, it could be running overnight batch jobs tallying the day's business across all a company's locations and geerating summaries to management to plan upcoming activities.
[00:48:18] <AzumaHazuki> you ever get the feeling most managers are where they are because they suck at the technical stuff they're overseeing?
[00:48:45] <AzumaHazuki> IMO that should come with a pink slip, not a promotion and a 400% pay raise
[00:48:46] <Bytram> they are skilled in an area that, for the longest while, I sucked at.
[00:49:08] <AzumaHazuki> "people skills," sure. What normal folks call "manipulation"
[00:49:52] <Bytram> Since I struggled with interactions with people, I played to my strengths which was being very sensitive to anything that was "off"
[00:50:11] <Bytram> bingo: software test
[00:50:59] <AzumaHazuki> the upshot of this is that the incompetent gladhanders end up running the show
[00:51:09] <AzumaHazuki> they can't do shit, but they convince all the other idiots they're important
[00:51:58] <Bytram> y my communication skills dramatically improved
[00:52:25] <AzumaHazuki> the longer i live the more "communication skills" sounds like a euphemism for "manipulating people"
[00:52:27] <Bytram> crap... a whole sentence just disappeared
[00:55:24] <Bytram> my kbd does NOT like me.
[00:55:48] <Bytram> It's eaten 2 sentences in 5 minutes.
[00:55:59] <Bytram> break time
[01:07:40] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.theguardian.com from the cancel-culture dept.
[01:07:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ted Cruz Threatens to Burn John Boehner’s Book Over Criticisms" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:07:45] <AzumaHazuki> fucking LOL. this was too good to pass up
[01:08:04] <AzumaHazuki> Republicans: "Cancel culture, waaaaah!" Also Republicans: "Pay me and come watch me literally burn a book i don't like"
[01:08:52] <AzumaHazuki> this, this right here? THIS is the entire GOP and every single one of its aggrieved whinging whiny constituents. 74+ million of them. All are on this moral level, by association if nothing else.
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[01:49:22] <Runaway1956> This is one of those stories that would be more interesting if the boy attacked the dingo
[01:49:26] <Runaway1956> https://www.9news.com.au
[01:49:28] <systemd> ^ 03Boy attacked by dingo on Fraser Island
[01:59:51] <Runaway1956> https://www.smh.com.au
[01:59:52] <systemd> ^ 03Raul Castro resigns as Cuba’s Communist chief
[02:00:44] <Runaway1956> https://www.rawstory.com
[02:00:46] <systemd> ^ 03Paul Gosar's defense of his 'Big Lie' is that there never even was an insurrection by Trump supporters
[02:13:28] <Bytram> have a great night everybody!
[02:46:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese RAM Manufacturer Netac Plans to Release DDR5-10000 Modules - https://sylnt.us
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[02:55:19] <Jorge_Floyd> Whoa man, nigger riots.
[02:55:41] <Jorge_Floyd> May be happening soon.
[02:55:59] <Jorge_Floyd> Those niggas be angry
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[04:01:23] <pinchy> operation JIGGABOO
[06:03:34] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[06:03:35] <systemd> ^ 03Major Tom Speaks to More Responsible Ground Control
[07:16:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Death Note: L, Anonymity & Eluding Entropy - https://sylnt.us - can-you-catch-me-now?
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[11:42:11] <AzumaHazuki> sweet baby Princess Serenity, finally. no more of that insanity for a whole 2 days
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[11:55:02] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[11:55:28] * c0lo congrats Zumi for resilience
[11:56:51] <c0lo> =submit trickle-up https://apnews.com
[11:56:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03$1,400 Stimulus Checks Helped March Retail Sales Soar 9.8%" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:01:00] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[12:01:23] <c0lo> #submit https://www.reuters.com
[12:01:24] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[12:01:49] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[12:02:09] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[12:02:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Washington State Governor OKs Bill Banning For-profit Jails" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:05:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Find Link Between Earthquake Timing and Water Cycle in Taiwan - https://sylnt.us
[12:10:41] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[12:10:45] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Pfizer CEO Believes Third COVID Vaccine Dose May be Needed Between Six and 12 Months After Vaccinati" (29p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:10:49] <AzumaHazuki> I have no idea how i pulled this off...got dizzy and wanted to throw up around 3:30 AM, but luckily was okay after taking a break and eating something
[12:11:21] <c0lo> Likely low blood glucose
[12:11:41] <AzumaHazuki> and things went batshit nuts around 4:45. suddenly everyone needed something stat and it was big, long, multi-vial preps like rocuronium and bumetanide (10 vials each)
[12:12:10] <FatPhil> can't you just human centipede them together and pump in at one end?
[12:12:23] <AzumaHazuki> i wish!
[12:12:52] * AzumaHazuki remembers looking in the fridge and thinking "here it is, roc-u-like-a-ronium" and hating herself
[12:13:07] <FatPhil> Here I am!
[12:13:55] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[12:13:58] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Google Deceived Some Australian Mobile Users About Collection of Location Data, Court Finds - ABC Ne" (50p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:14:56] <AzumaHazuki> on the upside, i've gotten frighteningly quick at some of these things. like, to the point i'm probably faster than the other two nightshifters who have been there, respectively, just over a year and about 6 years
[12:15:13] <AzumaHazuki> and they don't pay much attention to sterility. that is insane. four days of work should not produce that kind of growth
[12:15:35] <c0lo> Why not?
[12:15:57] <AzumaHazuki> because that's impossible. you don't get that kind of experience in four days, especially not when you're sleepwalking through half of each shift
[12:16:18] <c0lo> Not always, but not impossible.
[12:16:41] <AzumaHazuki> it feels like i was in a trance for most of this
[12:16:41] <c0lo> (sometimes someones do)
[12:17:11] <c0lo> Probs the trance like helped actually.
[12:18:19] <c0lo> Likely Putin started shaking https://www.marketwatch.com
[12:18:20] <systemd> ^ 03Biden: ‘If Russia continues to interfere with our democracy, I’m prepared to take further actions’
[12:18:34] <AzumaHazuki> it definitely did
[12:19:03] <AzumaHazuki> i just hope like hell management is going to see the sheer volume and speed of output and pay attention to that more than "what the hell, she almost threw up tonight, she hasn't got what it takes"
[12:19:56] <c0lo> Yes, hope springs eternal, Zumi.
[12:20:04] <FatPhil> Are they keeping metrics?
[12:20:19] <FatPhil> that they actually pay attention to, that it
[12:20:37] <AzumaHazuki> they kind of are. there's a program called DoseEdge that records freaking everything, including making you take a zillion pictures of each prep
[12:21:07] <FatPhil> So you always have the ability to just tell them to look at the stats if your efficacy is called into question.
[12:21:10] <FatPhil> Body cams!
[12:21:13] <AzumaHazuki> yes, but will they?
[12:21:19] <AzumaHazuki> that's the issue
[12:22:14] <FatPhil> Just get yourself syndicated: /Jabs/, modelled on /Cops/.
[12:22:26] <AzumaHazuki> LOL!
[12:24:04] <c0lo> =submit https://edition.cnn.com
[12:24:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Massachusetts Wants to Pull the Plug on Robinhood" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:25:02] <c0lo> =submit the-duck-that-could https://www.eff.org
[12:25:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03HTTPS Everywhere Now Uses DuckDuckGo’s Smarter Encryption" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:27:27] <FatPhil> I bet their encryption is easily quacked.
[12:27:48] * AzumaHazuki groans
[12:28:31] <c0lo> LOL I wonder if Frank will understand sarcasm https://www.theverge.com
[12:28:32] <systemd> ^ 03Verge
[12:30:03] <AzumaHazuki> please, everything a "conservative" says or does is hypocrisy. they piss and moan about free speech and "cancel culture" only when they're not the ones restricting speech and "canceling"
[12:30:21] <AzumaHazuki> remember what i linked last night? About Cruz literally holding a fucking book-burning?
[12:31:14] <AzumaHazuki> every single Republican has had ample time to see what their party is becoming and either try to fix it or leave. there's no excuse any longer. anyone on board with this not just tacitly but explicitly approves of what they are.
[12:32:14] <c0lo> That's not a book burning, that's grifting
[12:32:25] <AzumaHazuki> it's both then, c0lo
[12:32:49] <AzumaHazuki> jesus, 74-plus million of these waterheads...
[12:33:09] <FatPhil> fatheads, surly?
[12:33:21] <FatPhil> quite salty too
[12:33:36] <FatPhil> and surly, surely.
[12:33:47] <c0lo> I'd actually pay something if Cruz uses the book to light cigars with the condition that he does it in one go and uses at most a page to light a cigar.
[12:35:08] <AzumaHazuki> hypocrites, every last one of them. i'm done. when you gleefully light your human card on fire and drop it in the trash while cackling and oinking "get owned, libs!" don't be surprised when people start taking you at your word, I say
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[12:49:18] <FatPhil> Few things are more satisfying than fixing really tricky heisenbugs that have been in code for many weeks (but that you noticed only yesterday).
[12:50:02] <FatPhil> In particular when the solution is to just simplify the code.
[12:50:22] <AzumaHazuki> Heisenbug, LOL. Is that when you either know where the bug is or what triggers it but never both?
[12:52:36] <c0lo> http://www.catb.org
[12:52:37] <systemd> ^ 03heisenbug
[12:53:08] <AzumaHazuki> ooooh
[12:56:55] <c0lo> Newer generations seems to not even know ancient folklore existed, much less live through it. I feel old and rheumatic
[12:57:06] <c0lo> http://www.catb.org
[12:57:06] <systemd> ^ 03The Jargon File
[12:57:35] <c0lo> s/seems/seem/
[12:57:58] <requerdanos> At least your nursing home has internet
[12:58:02] <AzumaHazuki> i remember reading this
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[12:58:24] <AzumaHazuki> i wiki-walkd the entire thing one night, but most of it didn't stick. for some reason i just can't seem to get the hang of programming
[13:00:11] <c0lo> requerdanos, of course it has, I built it (grin)
[13:03:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:03:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5534
[13:04:24] <AzumaHazuki> odd thing, i drank a lot less caffeine than usual these last four days. that ridiculous B-complex with like 11 weeks of thiamine per dose seems to have reactivated something dormant inside me
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[13:19:22] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, this is interesting http://www.catb.org
[13:19:23] <systemd> ^ 03Dress
[13:19:46] <AzumaHazuki> this...explains a lot about me. hiking boots, all black, no makeup unless absolutely necessary, dressing for functionality over looks...
[13:20:10] * AzumaHazuki feels personally attacked by this relatable content :V
[13:21:42] <AzumaHazuki> ...and so does the "ceremonial chemicals" section ("teetotal but may be a caffeine fiend"), the communication section (better writer than speaker, shy in person but extremely articulate and precise)
[13:25:27] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[13:28:05] <AzumaHazuki> that's just the kind of sneaky diabolical shit those commie pinko lib'rul Marxist socialist terr'ist Mexican Jew Mooz-lim Chinaman antifa 'Murrica-hatin' libs would do! Good catch!
[13:28:46] <AzumaHazuki> also, Antifa hides their secret mind-control beacons inside murder hornet nests specifically. they're very delicate and a single sharp shock to the containing nest will destroy one
[13:40:34] <c0lo> nativist dog whistles https://thehill.com
[13:40:35] <systemd> ^ 03Pro-Trump lawmakers form caucus promoting 'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'
[13:41:15] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, these clueless fucking morons. The actual Angles and Saxons were decentralized and surprisingly democratic. And good to their women.
[13:41:40] <AzumaHazuki> they are thinking more along the lines of the Carolignian monarchial system, you know, all that stuff that came AFTER 1066
[13:42:01] <AzumaHazuki> ...then again, if these worthless sacks of shit knew their history at all they'd never even have come up with this, so, what the fuck
[13:42:22] <requerdanos> Now, you just used the phrase "they are thinking" and I am not sure that's an apt description of what's going on.
[13:44:17] <AzumaHazuki> ye ken well whut i mean, lad :v
[13:44:58] <requerdanos> I just want to caution you that you might be anthropomorphizing them a little.
[13:46:05] <AzumaHazuki> i know, it's a bad habit :(
[13:46:36] <AzumaHazuki> oh, but we'd better stop, we're being uncivil and...le gasp!--making personal attacks!
[13:46:43] <AzumaHazuki> that kind of thing can get you kickbanned!
[13:47:13] <requerdanos> I feel like we are on the safe side of civil discourse, even if near the line.
[13:47:19] * Bytram waves hi!
[13:47:29] <AzumaHazuki> see? see? like bloody clockwork
[13:47:36] <Bytram> LoL!
[13:47:59] * AzumaHazuki will leave it as an exercise to the reader how referring to an entire group is a personal attack
[13:48:31] <Bytram> yes, near the line. I appreciate the awareness and self-inspection.
[13:49:18] <Bytram> a gentle reminder there is also #politics where this could be discussed, as well.
[13:50:51] <AzumaHazuki> awareness, self-inspection, and sarcasm about as corrosive as perfluoroantimonic acid
[13:50:58] <AzumaHazuki> ...which has a negative pH.
[13:51:18] <Bytram> OTOH, direct personal insults of folk here is, as would be phrased by Manny in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"... 'Very not good'
[13:51:36] <AzumaHazuki> hah. depends on who's making them is my wager
[13:51:39] <Bytram> O_O
[13:52:07] <Bytram> negative pH?
[13:52:23] <FatPhil> you probably want to be more scared of the pH>14s than the pH<0s
[13:52:30] <c0lo> if I have wanted it discussed, I would have posted it in #politics. But I only wanted it mocked.
[13:52:32] <Bytram> *negative* ?? How do you *do* that?
[13:52:34] <FatPhil> pH is just a log, it represents a ratio
[13:52:50] <FatPhil> pH -1 is a tenth of pH 0
[13:53:52] <Bytram> has been way too long ago for me... "normal" pH is, what, 5 or 6?
[13:54:03] <inz> 7
[13:54:18] <Bytram> km tx!
[13:54:23] <Bytram> k tx!
[13:54:42] <AzumaHazuki> 7 is neutral, 14 is IIRC 1-molar lye, 0 is 1-molar hydrochloric acid. I think.
[13:55:16] <AzumaHazuki> interestingly, human blood is slightly alkaline (7.35-7.45) and even tiny variations above or below that will kill you quick
[13:55:43] <Bytram> =w The Andromeda Strain
[13:55:44] <systemd> The Andromeda Strain is a 1969 techno-thriller novel by Michael Crichton, his first novel under his own name and his sixth novel overall. It is written - https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:56:16] <Bytram> whelp, I've got a wall-of-text I'm working on, and a hard deadline to get it done.
[13:56:17] <AzumaHazuki> i seem to remember someone was taking megadoses of aspirin and survived infection? baaaaad science eesh
[13:57:16] <Bytram> IIRC, a baby who has been crying incessantly and a street drunk who'd been "drinking" Sterno.
[13:57:41] <requerdanos> the street drunk did eat a lot of aspirin due to the stomach pains from drinking the sterno iirc
[13:58:00] <Bytram> Sufficiently out-of-norm that that they were spared getting infected.
[13:58:21] * Bytram sits corrected
[13:58:34] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[13:58:34] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 26
[14:00:13] <FatPhil> was gout involved or something?
[14:00:20] <FatPhil> it's about 40 years since I've seen it
[14:00:59] <Bytram> 'bout same for me -- saw it on TV. Prolly late 70's or thereabouts
[14:08:28] <FatPhil> =w sterno
[14:08:29] <systemd> Sterno is a brand of jellied, denatured alcohol sold in a can and meant to be burned directly in its can. Its primary uses are in food service for buffet - https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:09:44] <FatPhil> 'canned heat', eh?
[14:09:47] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[14:09:49] <systemd> ^ 03Canned Heat - On The Road Again
[14:10:57] <FatPhil> It was launched by two blues enthusiasts Alan Wilson and Bob Hite, who took the name from Tommy Johnson's 1928 "Canned Heat Blues", a song about an alcoholic who had desperately turned to drinking Sterno, generically called "canned heat", from the original 1914 product name Sterno Canned Heat.
[14:12:28] <FatPhil> TIL: all of that ^^^
[14:13:22] * Bytram never tried drinking it, but I know at least a couple people who did.
[14:16:38] <FatPhil> 8-o
[14:17:34] <Bytram> (They'd have been better off with mouthwash.)
[14:18:28] <Bytram> IIRC, they'd strain it through a loaf of bread. Dunno why, just remember hearing about it.
[14:23:57] <Bytram> "Invented around 1900, Sterno is made from ethanol denatured by adding methanol, water, and an amphoteric oxide gelling agent, plus a dye that gives it a characteristic pink color. The methanol is added to denature the product, which is intended to make it too toxic for consumption."
[14:25:35] <FatPhil> bread filtering definitely is a thing, removes all kinds of crap and lets the tasty tasty booze through.
[14:25:55] <Bytram> Ah, that's why -- the methanol is right bad for you; apparently the bread (was supposed to) remove the methanol and leave enough ethanol so that someone could drink it.
[14:28:07] <AzumaHazuki> alcoholism is a horrible thing...
[14:28:24] <Bytram> Yes, I know all too well.
[14:28:44] <AzumaHazuki> we get some patients who are clearly in the late stages of alcohol damage. bleeding varices and stuff. whenever i see an octreotide order for the ER i just know...
[14:29:12] <AzumaHazuki> it has other uses, but that's the most common IIRC. it causes constriction of the spleen's vasculature which reduces blood pressure in the liver
[14:31:47] <Bytram> Non-alcoholics have no idea what the disease is like, They can have a couple drinks and stop. A real alcoholic cannot. It would be much like skipping breakfast. And lunch. And dinner. And at say, 9 PM, opening up a big bag of potato chips, pouring them into a bowl, eating a couple chips, and then stopping.
[14:32:15] <FatPhil> Yup.
[14:33:30] <Bytram> It's not utterly hopeless, but it's not easy to get (and stay!) sober, either. It it were easy -- there wouldn't be any alcoholics as they'd all just quit!
[14:33:31] <FatPhil> I inherited one of the alcoholism genes from my mum. From anything that's not a pure chemical horror, I simply do not get hangovers at all. There is *no* negative feedback from overindulgence.
[14:35:09] <FatPhil> well, no morning-after negative feedback.
[14:35:18] <Bytram> If memory serves, I've only had 3 hangovers in my life. Each time a result of having a variety of hard/mixed drinks along with beer during a night out.
[14:35:58] <Bytram> I was a sick puppy the next day... and one of those lasted until the second day after!
[14:36:06] <FatPhil> When I was young, I definitely got them, something happened during my early 20s that changed how I process the stuff.
[14:36:25] <Bytram> puberty
[14:36:33] <Bytram> pub-erty?
[14:36:46] <FatPhil> Since then, I guess I have had only a handful of hangovers, and some of those were from some very dodgy things.
[14:37:04] <Bytram> afk for a few minutes
[14:37:42] <AzumaHazuki> i've never actually been really drunk. the worst i ever got was drinking a 4 Loko out of curiosity
[14:38:05] <FatPhil> 4 Loko is a favourite at the Tallinn Crap Beer Festival!
[14:38:11] <AzumaHazuki> it was terrible stuff. my brother says i came home, collapsed in bed, slept 8 hours, woke up, swore at the sun in russian and polish, and slept some more
[14:38:54] <FatPhil> 4 Loko has won "worst of the festival" several times.
[14:40:51] <FatPhil> http://www.grex.org Happy memories...
[14:40:53] <systemd> ^ 03Tallinn Crap Beer Festival: Gallery
[14:41:03] <Ingar> computers and alcohol don't mix
[14:41:15] <Ingar> I only ever knew one guy who managed to write usable code while druk
[14:41:18] <Ingar> *drunk
[14:41:44] <FatPhil> I don't generally mix the two, but that might be situational.
[14:42:19] <FatPhil> Generally I'm either socialising if I'm drinking, or it's telly time with the g/f. Both don't intersect with coding time.
[14:42:24] <Ingar> you know, I was young and wild.
[14:42:59] <Ingar> for tonight, I bought a bottle of grapefruit juice :D
[14:43:55] <FatPhil> I think there's some EtOH in my mandarin juice - the carton's less rectangular than it used to be...
[14:49:36] <Ellenor> HAI
[15:09:54] <Bytram> hai
[16:22:30] <FatPhil> lou
[16:36:33] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: may I enquire where you stand on the believability of the oestrus synchrony hypothesis? Yes, yes, I can take the belief that it shouldn't be spelt without the 'o' as read!
[16:36:57] <FatPhil> I mentioned it as an assumed truth the other day, and somebody looked at me as if I was a nutter.
[16:37:30] <FatPhil> I can't say I've been following the literature, as I'm not particularly biologically literate.
[16:43:03] <AzumaHazuki> back, sorry...was on phone
[16:43:28] <AzumaHazuki> i am honestly not sure. Lisa and I don't synch up (her cycle's irregular sometimes)
[16:45:02] <AzumaHazuki> on the other hand, the upside to that is both of us aren't PMSing at the same time, so we can take care of each other as needed
[16:45:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ireland to Replace Last Coal Plant with Huge Green Hub and Floating Wind Farm - https://sylnt.us
[16:52:09] <FatPhil> Just watching a Sapolsky lecture (16. Human Sexual Behaviour II) and he mentioned it in a way that makes me think he thinks he's definitely true, which reminded me of the interaction I had last week. If the evidence is good enough for Sapolsky to believe, it's good enough for me.
[16:52:51] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[16:52:51] <systemd> ^ 03Human Behavioral Biology (Robert Sapolsky) 25 lectures
[17:01:51] <FatPhil> good lecture, tons of material, a bit deep for me, will need to rewatch
[17:01:57] <AzumaHazuki> Odd. Well, we may be atypical cases
[17:02:30] <FatPhil> there's no need for black and white rules, everything on a scale works fine.
[17:02:50] <FatPhil> perhaps it's "true-ish", no more.
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[17:35:10] <Bytram> I worked in a department with several women (and I was the only guy) and asked about this very thing. Problem was that only 3 of us were full-timers and the rest part timers. I recall the consensus was that there was some synchrony, but not enough to make it absolutely not coincidental, either.
[17:36:35] <Bytram> that's just my anecdote which != data, I know. Wish I could help more.
[17:36:39] <Bytram> FatPhil: ^^^
[17:36:45] <Bytram> gtg; laters!
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[17:42:14] <FatPhil> Bytram: one problem is that there's confirmation bias - you recognise the synchrony, but being out of synch there's no thing to notice.
[17:48:58] <chromas> But if there's no synchrony then what else is in his lecture is wrong?
[17:56:16] <FatPhil> The bit about "The. Gay. Gene."
[17:56:41] <FatPhil> Then again, he was telling us that it was wrong at the time.
[18:15:22] <chromas> Yeah dude, those jeans make you look hella gay
[18:18:55] <FatPhil> With all that makeup and playing dress-up, maybe Gene Simmons is the gay gene?
[18:46:40] <chromas> I thought that was Dick Simmons
[19:55:03] <Bytram> I've got a SQL puzzle.
[19:55:54] <Bytram> I'd like to find the, say, 20 top commenters on the site.
[19:56:45] <Bytram> There is a UID on each comment posted.
[19:58:14] <Bytram> SELECT count(*) FROM comments ;
[19:58:32] <Bytram> returns: 1133458
[20:00:02] <Bytram> I'm thinking of something like (and this is probably wrong in many ways)
[20:03:23] <Bytram> SELECT count(uid) AS ct, uid FROM comments WHERE uid IN (SELECT DISTINCT uid FROM comments) ORDER BY ct DECENDING LIMIT 20 ;
[20:04:03] <Bytram> I'd rather not hammer on the DB unnecessarily, of course.
[20:07:19] <Bytram> I'm thinking I need a GROUP BY in there, too.
[20:08:00] <FatPhil> SELECT uid, count(uid) as ct FROM comments GROUP BY uid ORDER BY ct DESC LIMIT 20; -- ?
[20:08:15] <Bytram> tx!
[20:08:21] <Bytram> looks much better!
[20:09:01] <Bytram> Hmm, to restrict to only those comments with a cid > 1000000 ??
[20:09:56] <FatPhil> ... FROM comments WHERE cid > 1000000 GROUP BY ...
[20:09:58] <Bytram> SELECT uid, count(uid) as ct FROM comments WHERE cid > 1000000 GROUP BY uid ORDER BY ct DESC LIMIT 20;--
[20:10:11] <Bytram> =)
[20:10:27] <Bytram> wish me (good) luck!
[20:10:36] <FatPhil> do it on the dev server first!
[20:10:48] <FatPhil> Naahahhhh - do it on prod!
[20:10:52] <FatPhil> as root!
[20:11:03] <Bytram> 20 rows in set (0.63 sec)
[20:11:36] <Bytram> looks good, lemme reorder the output columns
[20:12:41] <Bytram> mysql> SELECT count(uid) as ct, uid FROM comments GROUP BY uid ORDER BY ct DESC LIMIT 10 ;
[20:13:49] <Bytram> almost, but I cut it too short
[20:13:54] <Bytram> 10 rows in set (5.74 sec)
[20:14:32] <Bytram> yay!
[20:14:46] <Bytram> 20 rows in set (4.53 sec)
[20:15:19] <Bytram> and *now* I realized I should have included the nickname from the users table
[20:15:55] <Bytram> which is also indexed off the uid field
[20:18:24] <Bytram> SELECT count(comments.uid) as ct, comments.uid, users.nickname FROM comments, users WHERE comments.uid = users.uid AND comments.cid > 1000000 GROUP BY uid ORDER BY ct DESC LIMIT 10 ;
[20:19:43] <Bytram> Woo Hoo!
[20:19:53] <Bytram> FatPhil++ TYVM!
[20:19:53] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 115
[20:24:45] <FatPhil> That's not the canonical way of doing that
[20:25:38] <FatPhil> SELECT count(comments.uid) as ct, comments.uid, users.nickname FROM comments LEFT JOIN users ON uid WHERE comments.cid >1000000 GROUP BY uid ORDER BY ct DESC LIMIT 10 ;
[20:26:01] <FatPhil> s/LEFT/INNER/
[20:26:01] <SedBot> <FatPhil> SELECT count(comments.uid) as ct, comments.uid, users.nickname FROM comments INNER JOIN users ON uid WHERE comments.cid >1000000 GROUP BY uid ORDER BY ct DESC LIMIT 10 ;
[20:26:36] <FatPhil> depends on the dialect of SQL though. SQL isn't a language, it's a family of vaguely related languages
[20:26:36] <Bytram> Good point! I didn't have LEFT/RIGHT JOINS available when I was learning SQL.
[20:27:34] <FatPhil> You had to do JOINs with sharpenned flints and strings made of gut?
[20:28:05] <Bytram> nod nod. Created at IBM. Made freely available to all to implement and extend / bastardize over the years
[20:30:07] <Bytram> data warehouse application, circa 1994-ish
[20:30:44] <Bytram> powered by 100 x 80486 processors.
[20:34:03] <Bytram> can't remember who made it. NOT: IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Sybase, or SAP
[20:37:40] <Bytram> I want to say Tesseract, but not at all certain.
[20:39:33] <Bytram> AHA!
[20:40:46] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:40:47] <systemd> ^ 03Teradata - Wikipedia
[20:41:47] <Bytram> I'm pretty sure that was it.
[20:44:54] <Bytram> FatPhil: FYI: "ERROR 1052 (23000): Column 'uid' in on clause is ambiguous"
[20:45:41] <Bytram> I tried both comments.uid and users.uid and gave up when each of those queries took > 20 seconds (wall clock)
[20:46:30] <Bytram> since the *non* INNER JOIN took les than 5 seconds.
[20:56:22] <FatPhil> s/ON/USING/
[20:56:45] <Bytram> ??
[20:56:47] <FatPhil> hhm, maybe not
[20:57:21] <FatPhil> I forget the diffent dialects now - which one are we using on the site?
[20:57:32] <Bytram> mysql
[20:58:19] <FatPhil> INNER JOIN users USING uid WHERE ...
[20:59:13] <Bytram> which uid? users.uid or comments.uid?
[20:59:32] <FatPhil> wrong question
[20:59:48] <FatPhil> that means using the uid in both tables
[20:59:51] <Bytram> not even wrong?
[21:00:22] <FatPhil> it's shorthand for USING previouslyknowntable.uid = newlyjoinedtable.uid
[21:00:22] <Bytram> I'm getting lost, what does the query look like now?
[21:00:39] <Bytram> okaaay, tx.
[21:00:55] <FatPhil> SELECT count(comments.uid) as ct, comments.uid, users.nickname FROM comments INNER JOIN users USING uid WHERE comments.cid >1000000 GROUP BY uid ORDER BY ct DESC LIMIT 10 ;
[21:01:02] * Bytram is in the midst of finalizing a 2500+ word story
[21:01:41] <FatPhil> It doesn't matter how many things you lick; the egg will always fall off the table
[21:02:03] * Bytram licks an egg
[21:18:13] <FatPhil> Tick tock - it's barleywine o'clock!
[21:27:01] <Bytram> FatPhil: Any chance I could impose on you to review a story I just finished writing and that just went live?
[21:28:06] * Bytram is wiped out and takes a 10-ish minute break.
[21:35:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A SoylentNews Milestone - https://sylnt.us
[21:49:13] <Bytram> back
[22:20:53] <Runaway1956> A bit of strangeness today guys
[22:21:03] <Runaway1956> I make a submission, and I get this:
[22:21:08] <Runaway1956> This form has been used already 0 seconds ago. You can not use a form and hit the back button to use it again.
[22:21:09] <Runaway1956> Chances are, you're behind a firewall or proxy, or clicked the Back button to accidentally reuse a form. Please try again. If the problem persists, and all other options have been tried, contact the site administrator.
[22:21:31] <Runaway1956> Happened this morning, and I thought maybe I double clicked the submit button or some such
[22:21:59] <Runaway1956> Just happened again when I gave Bytram some guff in his metanews post
[22:22:39] <Bytram> hmmm
[22:22:53] <Runaway1956> The pages all look right, nothing else wierd is happening
[22:23:05] <Bytram> what kind of connection do you have to the site?
[22:23:10] <Runaway1956> Overly sensitive mouse putting an extra click in there?
[22:23:35] <Bytram> corded or cordless mouse?
[22:23:37] <Runaway1956> My connection is through Private Internet Access, PIA VPN
[22:23:42] <Runaway1956> it's a corded mouse
[22:24:02] <Runaway1956> If no one else is seeing it, it's probably on my end
[22:24:29] * Bytram occasionally has proplems w/ his wireless house when I place my cell phone to close to it
[22:24:49] <Runaway1956> hmmmm . . . looking around
[22:25:20] <Runaway1956> keyfob?
[22:25:39] * Runaway1956 moves keys away from keyboard/mousepad
[22:26:07] <Bytram> VPN might(?) have changed an IP address on the backend where it goes back out onto the internet; we'd see that as a change of IP address for you from the time you retrieved the form to the time you submitted it, but
[22:26:16] <Bytram> I have no idea why that should matter
[22:26:40] <Bytram> how about your keyboard? Hired or wireless?
[22:26:42] <Runaway1956> Think I'll change servers, see if it happens again after changning
[22:26:46] <Bytram> s/H/W/
[22:26:46] <SedBot> <Bytram> how about your keyboard? Wired or wireless?
[22:27:14] <Runaway1956> KB is wired as well - I do have wireless KB and mouse nearby, but their recievers are unplugged
[22:28:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, tired
[22:29:52] <Runaway1956> switching server from Atlanta to Chicago
[22:29:52] <Bytram> lastly (I hope!) from your computer to your VPN... wired ethernet? wireless? Do you have a local NAT? How about your internet provider; do they generally keep you on the same IP addy or do they change it around (and if so, how often?(
[22:30:15] <Runaway1956> wired ethernet direct to the modem here
[22:30:15] * Bytram chuckles
[22:30:30] <Bytram> IIRC DSL?
[22:30:39] <Runaway1956> I made a meaningless post as AC in the thread, and saw nothing strange
[22:30:48] <Runaway1956> correct, DSL
[22:31:52] <Runaway1956> And also - congrats!!
[22:32:01] <Runaway1956> Bytram++
[22:32:01] <Bender> karma - bytram: 166
[22:32:10] <Bytram> The Battle of New Orleans happened after the war was over; word had not made it from DC to new orleans... and you just whipsawed a connection at close to the same distance... in seconds!
[22:32:35] <Runaway1956> yup - it's awesome, ain't it?
[22:33:04] <Runaway1956> If you're patient, you can have an almost normal conversation with the man in the moon these days - if he bothers to answer
[22:33:15] <Bytram> OTOH, it was Jackson's skill at that battle that led to his becoming president
[22:33:39] <Bytram> =yt the man in the moon REM
[22:33:40] <systemd> https://youtube.com - R.E.M. - Man On The Moon (Official Music Video) (04:52; 25,232,665 views; 👍110,426 👎5,081)
[22:33:49] <Runaway1956> Jackson took a lot of credit for his Indian scouts, is what I think
[22:34:05] <Runaway1956> He wasn't all bad though.
[22:34:25] <Bytram> couldn't say, wasn't there, I wasn't even *bord*
[22:34:36] <Runaway1956> You weren't?
[22:34:39] <Bytram> s/d/b/
[22:34:39] <SedBot> <Bytram> coulbn't say, wasn't there, I wasn't even *bord*
[22:34:44] <Bytram> s/d/b/2
[22:34:45] <SedBot> <Bytram> couldn't say, wasn't there, I wasn't even *borb*
[22:34:51] <Bytram> s/d/n/2
[22:34:52] <SedBot> <Bytram> couldn't say, wasn't there, I wasn't even *born*
[22:35:00] <Runaway1956> lolol
[22:35:06] <boru> On the sauce, eh?
[22:35:17] <Bytram> looks to be about time for me to give my kbd a good cleaning!
[22:35:19] <Runaway1956> marinated all night long
[22:35:25] <Bytram> brb
[22:35:59] <boru> "brb, got to open another bottle of whiskey"
[22:37:52] <Runaway1956> It's probably the vaccine - https://soylentnews.org
[22:37:53] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | A SoylentNews Milestone ( https://soylentnews.org )
[22:40:50] <FatPhil> ?!?!?!?!?!?
[22:40:56] <FatPhil> Tagline: "Plop, plop, fizz, fizz"
[22:41:13] <FatPhil> https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:41:13] <systemd> ^ 03Alka-Seltzer - Wikipedia
[22:41:47] <FatPhil> "Me go plop-plop" has never referred to taking an antacid tablet.
[22:43:06] <Bytram> Fresh bread from my bread machine, but collapsed during the 2nd rising. Kinda caved in the top a bit.
[22:43:38] <Bytram> =yt what a relief it is
[22:43:38] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Keak Da Sneak-What A Relief (03:47; 22,780 views; 👍242 👎9)
[22:44:01] <Bytram> =yt "Plop, plop, fizz, fizz"
[22:44:02] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Plop Plop, Fizz Fizz (1976) (31; 237,582 views; 👍1,203 👎63)
[22:45:40] <Runaway1956> =yt mother, I'd rather do it myself
[22:45:41] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Anacin Mother Please I'd Rather Do It Myself Re-Edit (01:36; 38,777 views; 👍117 👎28)
[23:03:52] <FatPhil> g/f just said "plop plop" (plus the rest of the rhyming lines), and to be honest I didn't believe her. Nobody could think that would be a good slogan.
[23:04:06] <FatPhil> In the UK it's "plink plink"
[23:05:33] <Bytram> FatPhil: is that for the same product?
[23:09:41] <FatPhil> yup
[23:11:01] <FatPhil> this may analyse the situation, but I'm watvhing the snooker presently: https://www.lippsisters.com
[23:11:02] <systemd> ^ 03Plop, Plop, Fizz, Fizz… A Mad Men Anachronism that Upset my Stomach!
[23:11:12] <FatPhil> it at least contains the plink
[23:30:16] <Bytram> =yt https://www.lippsisters.com
[23:30:17] <systemd> No results
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[23:50:24] <Bytram> https://www.inc.com
[23:50:25] <systemd> ^ 0352 Motivational Quotes to Inspire Success in Your Career and Personal Life
[23:51:40] <Bytram> There are a few there I don't [entirely] agree with, but I found quite a few new nuggets I don't recall seeing before!
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