#soylent | Logs for 2021-03-27

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[23:59:59] <c0lo> No can do with Google anymoar.
[23:59:43] <systemd> ^ 03Find pages that link to another URL? ( https://webmasters.stackexchange.com )
[23:59:42] <c0lo> https://webmasters.stackexchange.com
[23:58:21] <Bytram> Solutions? Suggestions?
[23:57:47] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - Atomic clocks compared with astounding accuracy
[23:57:46] <Bytram> =g linksto:https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00738-0
[23:57:44] <Bytram> I'm thinking something like:
[23:56:52] <Bytram> ideally, in a way that I could use it here with our bots.
[23:56:33] <Bytram> I'd like to find out what other stories link to that journal article...
[23:56:00] <systemd> ^ 03Atomic clocks compared with astounding accuracy
[23:55:59] <Bytram> It references this journal article: https://www.nature.com
[23:55:31] <systemd> ^ 03Move Over Cesium Clock, Optical Clocks Are Taking Over
[23:55:30] <Bytram> I found a story online, but it's too short for me to use here ( https://hackaday.com )
[23:54:30] <Bytram> Example:
[23:54:21] <Bytram> How do I query what links to a particular URL?
[23:53:57] <Bytram> quick Google question?
[23:52:59] <FatPhil> I know they're 2/10 shit. But fuck it, if I've got a 5 hour coach ride to Riga, I'm getting 2 of them Marvels down me. Hopefully I can sleep to reduce the mental pain.
[23:51:56] <FatPhil> i only watch marvels for the same reason i drink cheap balkan lagers - for the tick.
[23:50:06] <systemd> ^ 03Tony Gatlif - Wikipedia
[23:50:05] <c0lo> Hmmm... I might look for more movies by https://en.wikipedia.org sounds interesting (at least a lot more interesting than Star Wars and Marvels)
[23:40:53] <systemd> The Crazy Stranger (original title: Gadjo dilo – Romanes for &quot;Crazy Gadjo&quot;) is a 1997 French-Romanian film directed and written by Tony Gatlif. Most of - https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:40:52] <c0lo> =w Gadjo dilo
[23:40:41] <c0lo> Eye opener in that mindset (at least that it was for me)
[23:38:31] <FatPhil> yeah, more a visual and thematic influence, not a story-telling influence.
[23:34:51] <c0lo> Imagine a mind set that absolutely and intensively live in the present. There's no consideration what can happen beyond 1 or 2 week horizon
[23:32:29] <c0lo> The things that you may consider exaggerated in the movie are probably only a quarter exaggeration.
[23:31:09] <c0lo> No, it's a different vein. You'll have to understand the mentality of the gypsys in EE to get it.
[23:30:13] * TheMightyBuzzard goes off to fix foods
[23:28:44] <FatPhil> c0lo: I got the feeling it was probably an influence over Sacha Baron Cohen before creating Borat.
[23:26:50] <c0lo> for more music from the same area
[23:26:23] <systemd> Goran Bregović (Serbian Cyrillic: Горан Бреговић; born 22 March 1950) is a recording artist from Bosnia and Herzegovina. He is one of the most internationally - https://en.wikipedia.orgć
[23:26:22] <c0lo> =w Goran Bregović
[23:24:30] <c0lo> To me it's what Tarantino could have done if he only got to be born in a gypsy community on the Danube river during the Yugoslavia civil war after the fall of communism.
[23:22:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> and applying it only to the women is fuckwadery of the highest order.
[23:22:37] <systemd> ^ 03Crna macka, beli macor - IMDb ( https://www.imdb.com )
[23:22:36] <FatPhil> Apparently we Estonians took a drink every time one of the characters took a drink: https://www.imdb.com
[23:22:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, it sure as shit would. drunken sex is most sex for half the people in their teens and 20s.
[23:21:26] <FatPhil> I thought they played all the music!
[23:21:17] <FatPhil> So it had nothing to do with Laibach after all!
[23:21:07] <FatPhil> Serbian, not Slovenian, sorry.
[23:19:39] <FatPhil> c0lo: watched every damn minute of it - and I still don't know what I've seen. Is this the Slovenian version of /Dinner for One/ or something - is it compulsory to watch every year over the holidays?
[23:18:37] <c0lo> Don't make sex with a drunken partner. Oh, wow, the world is gonna collapse because of that *shudders*.
[23:15:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> but go right ahead and make rape contingent on a woman's feelings when she's sober the morning after if yall like. you won't like the consequences.
[23:13:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> the former is just "drunk you don't remember", the latter is unconscious.
[23:13:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> passed out is not
[23:13:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> blacked out is still functional
[23:13:13] <c0lo> TMB, whatevs, mate.
[23:13:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> how do you know?
[23:12:54] <c0lo> Before the moment of rape, she was in no state to give consent.
[23:12:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not a slippery slope, it's a cliff as big as day
[23:12:04] <c0lo> TMB, spare me of slippery slope fallacies, it's sloppy
[23:11:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, yall on the MeToo bandwagon? her self-imposed mental capacity matters but his doesn't?
[23:11:02] <c0lo> In Oz, that woould have been an as clear case of rape as it can come.
[23:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> then use your brain. let that ruling stand and you can never fuck your wife after a couple of drinks again; it'll be rape even if she's enthusiastically participating
[23:10:13] <c0lo> I reckon it doesn't matter how she became mentally incapacitated, if she ended in that state.
[23:09:19] <c0lo> Mentally incapacitated is the term used.
[23:09:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, seriously, do folks in Oz not get drunk and do inadvisable shit they regret later? i thought you were at least in the top ten of that list. i know we sure as hell are.
[23:09:10] <Runaway1956> no way I'll sleep long, kids in and out
[23:09:01] * Runaway1956 thinks a little nap might be in order -
[23:08:15] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[23:08:05] <Runaway1956> I'd have to say that if she's unconscious, it's rape
[23:08:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above re: passed vs blacked. one is unconscious, the other is "i don't remember this time span"
[23:07:50] <Runaway1956> Was she actually "raped", or was it just a "rape" because she drank too much?
[23:07:27] <Runaway1956> I saw taht article c0lo - and I'm not real sure what to think of it
[23:02:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if she'd been "passed out" instead of "blacked out", that'd be an entirely different matter hinging on consciousness and the complete inability to consent rather than choices you regret the next day.
[23:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, that's the law. or we could go ahead and call anyone who got drunk or stoned mentally incapacitated and be unable to convict them of anything ever again.
[22:55:23] <systemd> ^ 03MN Supreme Court reverses rape conviction because woman wasn't forced to get drunk
[22:55:22] <c0lo> The fuck, really? https://www.mprnews.org
[22:47:37] <c0lo> No, FatPhil, BCWC is the prev level. The world devolves.
[22:33:22] <Runaway1956> I guess that QOTD explains why women outlive men
[22:33:02] <Runaway1956> The more you complain, the longer God lets you live.
[22:28:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> just drive it down the boat ramp and back up a couple times. rinses right off.
[22:27:58] <Runaway1956> Take my car to the crapping hole and clean it off please.
[22:27:51] <chromas> 🎵My tree cum brings all the bees to the yard🎵
[22:27:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> aka, crappie season
[22:27:14] <Runaway1956> as well as trees ejaculating on the car season
[22:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, we could go fibionacci just as well. i'm not particular, i just think repeated offenses should carry increasing penalties
[22:26:59] <Runaway1956> fly season has begun
[22:26:22] <Bytram> biab
[22:26:15] <Bytram> stomach growls; time to prepare eats
[22:25:51] <Bytram> At least a couple earlier times I'd have done the same if I'd had been mastery of available tools. So, had I done so, accumulated time-out would have been longer.
[22:25:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, ima leo
[22:25:29] <Runaway1956> I think I'll resemble that remark and see about having you cancered.
[22:24:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> danged squids and their squiddy ways
[22:24:09] <Runaway1956> Then it's not properly called "rope" - that's just "small stuff"
[22:23:49] <chromas> then it's called a tree
[22:23:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> not when it's hanging rope rather than ship rope
[22:23:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Just noticed the activity. Was part of the reason I was inquiring earlier about available commands and proper invocation. I concur with adding 24hr per repeat infraction in this channel.
[22:23:17] <Runaway1956> "rope storage locker" is called the "sail locker"
[22:22:52] <chromas> Yeah but ol' MightyBuzzkill here booted her before she could even get ramped up
[22:22:39] * TheMightyBuzzard points Runaway1956 to the rope storage locker and offers him as much as he'd like
[22:21:46] <Runaway1956> Oh, I missed Her Royal Rudeness?
[22:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> well she wouldn't anymore, would she
[22:21:27] <chromas> or burn
[22:21:24] <chromas> She didn't even have time to tell you to goto hell
[22:20:54] <bacteria> this would be a pretty lousy day and a year if not for amazing happenings like ever given
[22:20:51] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[22:20:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> for something she'd been repeatedly warned and once banned for?
[22:20:02] * chromas deallocates bacteria's popcorn bucket
[22:19:54] <Runaway1956> pop-corn grabs some bacteria
[22:19:46] <chromas> Anyhow, for her whinging, I'd think just a simple kick could've been enough
[22:19:23] * bacteria grabs virtual pop-corn
[22:19:14] <systemd> ^ 03Strong wind not main reason for Suez ship grounding: Canal chief
[22:19:12] <Runaway1956> https://www.channelnewsasia.com
[22:19:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i don't do that. i shoot em ahead of time with an airsoft gun cause you can shoot em as much as you like with a toy
[22:19:00] <Runaway1956> The vauge hints are getting somewhat clearer
[22:18:43] <Runaway1956> Bytram - I've read three or four articles with vague hints that the wind didn't do the Ever Given in
[22:18:28] <chromas> Same reason you let the robber take your stuff before shooting :D
[22:17:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> could've, yeah, but why?
[22:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger
[22:16:56] <requerdanos> I am thinking whoosh.
[22:16:51] <chromas> Could've at least given her more time to get riled up and really earn that ban instead of just a couple "uzzards"
[22:16:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> that serious or whoosh?
[22:16:30] * TheMightyBuzzard quirks an eyebrow at requerdanos
[22:15:48] <requerdanos> See, there's that dictator talk again
[22:15:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, you pick a reasonable length for repeat infraction of the same bloody rule ban length increases then. and get off my nuts about the dictator bullshit when you agreed that the last ban, for the exact same shit, was not unwarranted
[22:12:39] <FatPhil> could work. might need a few megatons...
[22:07:21] <FatPhil> are you proposing that as the solution to the beached boat?
[21:58:37] <systemd> ^ 03Exploding Whale 1970
[21:58:36] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
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[21:45:43] <systemd> ^ 03EVER GIVEN Current position (Container Ship, IMO 9811000) - VesselFinder
[21:45:41] <Bytram> Looks like it's still stuck, the EVER GIVEN, that is. Looks like they are giving up for the night as I only see 3 tugs around it now (saw ~10 earlier today). Zoom into: https://www.vesselfinder.com
[21:39:29] <Bytram> maybe some other time -- i've already got a dozen+ movies waiting for me to make time to watch 'em
[21:38:31] <systemd> https://youtube.com - 》 Black Cat White Cat 1998 full mσvíє ᕼᗪ ☜ (01:41:39; 249 views; 👍0 👎5)
[21:38:30] <Bytram> =yt "black cat white cat" -trailer -bubamara
[21:38:08] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Black Cat and White Cat Bengali Story - কালো এবং সাদা বিড়াল বেঙ্গলি গল্প 3D Kids Moral Stories (12:31; 2,760,225 views; 👍7,856 👎5,281)
[21:38:07] <Bytram> =yt black cat white cat -trailer -bubamara
[21:38:01] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Black Cat White Cat - Bubamara (04; 169,313 views; 👍831 👎25)
[21:38:01] <Bytram> =yt black cat white cat -trailer -bubamaa
[21:37:45] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Black Cat White Cat - Bubamara (04; 169,311 views; 👍831 👎25)
[21:37:45] <Bytram> =yt black cat white cat -trailer
[21:37:34] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Black cat White cat - Trailer (02:23; 446,592 views; 👍1,105 👎78)
[21:37:33] <Bytram> =yt black cat white cat
[21:37:20] <systemd> Black Cat, White Cat (Serbian: Црна мачка, бели мачор; Crna mačka, beli mačor) is a 1998 Serbian romantic black comedy film directed by Emir Kusturica - https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:37:19] <Bytram> =w black cat white cat
[21:30:16] <FatPhil> c0lo: holy jeebus, this Black Cat White Cat is some next level shit!
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[20:45:57] <chromas> it's not so much that they're tired of probing us but we're doing it ourselves now
[20:45:14] <systemd> ^ 03'I Thought I Was Dying': Zimbabwe Man Claims Sudden Appearance of 'UFO' Made Him Crash Motorcycle
[20:45:12] <Runaway1956> https://sputniknews.com
[20:45:07] <Runaway1956> The aliens are tired of anal probing us, now they want to wreck our motorcyclse!
[19:57:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - WWII Codebreaker Turing Honored on UK's New 50-Pound Note - https://sylnt.us
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[19:41:15] <bacteria> omg we got so drunk last nite
[17:46:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Windows 95 Easter Egg Discovered After Being Hidden for 25 Years" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:46:06] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.bleepingcomputer.com
[17:30:25] <chromas> Shit, even spam is getting in on conspiracies
[17:30:13] <chromas> "The big constipation products hoax"
[17:26:25] <chromas> Hm, she did only barely get into the namecalling. Didn't even have time to fart out a wall of ragetext
[17:25:39] <chromas> Mmm, dick taters
[17:23:52] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: Nope, not alright, you're becoming quite the dictator.
[17:16:24] <chromas> tabs in <ecode> are pretty wonky in firefox
[17:09:37] <chromas> Tables aren't allowed in journal entries?
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[15:44:16] <c0lo> Nighty night.
[15:44:00] <c0lo> Perfect before sleep to clean the smoko taste.
[15:43:41] <systemd> ^ 03APPLE DWARF PIXIE CRUNCH - Garden Express
[15:43:39] <c0lo> mmmm... https://www.gardenexpress.com.au
[15:42:27] <c0lo> Is there ay way that those who don't contribute to the social group refrain themselves from using what the social group build together?
[15:37:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> is there any way in which it could possibly be for any reason other than because they don't want to put the work in to earn it?
[15:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> is there any way in which a majority voting to take something from a minority and give to themselves is not a precise and accurate definition of income redistribution?
[15:34:10] * c0lo pisses on TMB's declared rule and goes for the last smoko before sleep
[15:32:40] * TheMightyBuzzard declares a rule that employees should never step out for a smoke. and promptly breaks it.
[15:32:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> wherein is it untrue?
[15:32:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> explain how it isn't a fact then.
[15:31:50] <c0lo> Ah, yes, TMB is the ruler of facts too.
[15:31:18] <c0lo> And there aren't any rules in that company? Not even those that everyone agreed on?
[15:31:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, accept or reject as you like, it's not a definition, it's a statement of fact.
[15:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm the only employee at the moment though. don't want additional help or additional work at the moment.
[15:30:35] <c0lo> TMB, your definition for income redistribution, I don't need to accept it.
[15:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> been up and running over a year
[15:29:51] <c0lo> See how less chaos will lead you to.
[15:29:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> income redistribution is a bunch of people voting that they'd like your money because working for it is too hard.
[15:29:31] <c0lo> Rrright, when you get your company up and running again, make sure you don't use or specify any rules.
[15:28:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> the hell they're not. the liberty to keep what you earn is a pretty fucking fundamental one.
[15:28:24] <c0lo> TMB, I said that rules that govern the redistribution aren't necessary taking liberties away.
[15:27:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no requirement that a law be put in place to avoid chaos. or any good reason at all.
[15:27:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, moving the posts. you said they were a good thing because N. i said N was not in fact the case.
[15:27:22] <c0lo> What dos nobility have to do with anything?
[15:26:59] <c0lo> Right, get all those rules aside, see where you end.
[15:26:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i said laws are rules, any kind of rules, they have no inherent nobility
[15:26:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can't read then
[15:26:18] <c0lo> Well, more TMB definitions - rules are oppression full stop.
[15:25:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're rules to *, they have no nobility
[15:25:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rules put in place to enslave an entire race
[15:25:23] <c0lo> Do you see a manager as a tyrant or a coordinator?
[15:25:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're also rules put in place to oppress those you don't like
[15:24:50] <c0lo> Laws are rules put in place to avoid chaos.
[15:24:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> try not paying them and find out
[15:24:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> taxes are the law forcing you
[15:24:12] <c0lo> Who said law is forcing them?
[15:24:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, the left is liberal, the right is conservative, i dunno wtf progressives are that can be said in polite company but they're neither of those.
[15:23:13] <c0lo> More TMB definitions. What if I don't accept them?
[15:23:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> but if they demand something they're unwilling to do without a law forcing it, then they either don't really believe it or they plan on cheating it from the start.
[15:22:44] <c0lo> Yeap, coordination is necessary to avoid the road to hell paved with good intentions.
[15:22:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're not lefties if they demand the government take liberty from the citizens, fiscial, social, or any other kind.
[15:21:39] <c0lo> Ah, so TMB dictates that lefties must redistribute themselves the wealth, otherwise they're not lefties.
[15:21:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, do you need the government to tell you to do what you believe is right? i don't.
[15:20:26] <c0lo> I don't remember Bernie saying he'll not pay his due taxes.
[15:20:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> obviously. if he meant it for himself he would already be doing it. he's perfectly capable of redistributing his wealth without a government threat behind it.
[15:19:46] <c0lo> Or is just you that said it?
[15:19:28] <c0lo> Does he said not for himself?
[15:18:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> preaching wealth redistribution for folks making good union money but not for himself? sure. still makes him a hypocrite though.
[15:18:04] <c0lo> Since he's not socialist, he is free to take whatever sides he want, isn't it?
[15:17:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Baltimore Will No Longer Prosecute Drug Possession, Prostitution, and Other Low-Level Offenses - https://sylnt.us - don't-sweat-the-small-stuff
[15:15:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, Fnord666, Bytram, chromas: adding 24h to each subsequent ban for the same thing (not doubling except the 2nd time, just cause math) sound reasonable to you folks?
[15:13:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, Fnord666, Bytram, chromas: * Aphrodite sets modes [#soylent +b *!*@the.end.of.time * 48h this time
[15:12:11] -!- AzumaHazuki was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(TheMightyBuzzard) No reason given]
[15:12:11] -!- mode/#soylent [+b *!*@the.end.of.time] by Aphrodite
[15:12:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kickban AzumaHazuki
[15:12:01] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, bear in mind you're never going to change Uzzard here. He stopped using reason a long time ago
[15:11:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> no posts moved. he is a flaming hypocrite no matter what label he uses because he does not hold himself to what he proposes for others. that was the only goalpost.
[15:10:51] <c0lo> Now, go see those trimmings, will yea? :grin:
[15:10:32] <c0lo> Well, at least you didn't thorn your shoulder muscles moving those posts. Glad you can still shrug.
[15:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> sed it out with diet-communist if you prefer. he's the one calls himself a socialist.
[15:09:29] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs.
[15:09:19] <c0lo> Your's not mine.
[15:09:12] <c0lo> TMB, "millionaire socialist politician" - your reference to Bernie.
[15:08:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> which isn't relevant since bernie isn't an actual socialist
[15:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, pay attention: <c0lo> TMB - fuck off and read the definition of socialism.
[15:08:19] <c0lo> Maybe someone moved them there in between.
[15:08:04] <c0lo> No?
[15:07:53] <c0lo> "millionaire socialist politician with multiple homes pretending he's for the working man?" Any communist-lite mention there?
[15:07:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, yes, you might. you've been warned about shitting up the place with personal attacks. that goes even for ones on me.
[15:06:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> goal posts? you went entirely off topic so there are no goal posts.
[15:06:41] <AzumaHazuki> because freeze peach
[15:06:31] <AzumaHazuki> oh, but be careful, you might get !quiet'd or even kickbanned for being ruuuuuuuuuuude
[15:06:22] <c0lo> Moving goal posts, TMB. Spare your back for those trimmings in the church
[15:06:15] <AzumaHazuki> is carrion-breath here showing his ignorance again? i have him muted so i can't see
[15:06:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> bernie ain't a socialist of any stripe but if you want to call diet-communism socialism, i'll use that word as well.
[15:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, you first. you're conflating bernie's communism-lite with worker-owned means of production
[15:04:49] <c0lo> TMB - fuck off and read the definition of socialism.
[15:03:50] <AzumaHazuki> the country can't survive under this. we've been given reprieve until the '22 midterms and then it's over. i hope like fuck i'm out by then
[15:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise it's "socialism for ye but not for me"
[15:03:12] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki - Brad Raffensperger
[15:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> so there are no real millionaire socialists
[15:02:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, happy to. a real socialist would give any money they above $whatever_they_decide_folks_should_earn away to those who don't make that much
[15:00:48] <c0lo> Engels - textile mills - communist manifesto.
[15:00:30] <AzumaHazuki> they're in a dangerous cornered phase now. the GOP is specifically writing voter suppression into law to steal future elections, all the while claiming the election was stolen. Gaslight, Obstruct, Project.
[15:00:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas boff if you want a boolean
[14:59:48] <c0lo> Demostrate that only dirt poor people are on th side of the workers.
[14:59:45] <AzumaHazuki> there is a huge difference
[14:59:41] <AzumaHazuki> FatPhil, please...the "both sides" thing doesn't apply here. a minority of leftists are parodies. the entire goddamn right wing of the US has lost its collective shit
[14:58:56] <c0lo> foff TMB.
[14:55:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> millionaire socialist politician with multiple homes pretending he's for the working man? eh, not really. more of an accurate stereotype.
[14:53:20] <systemd> ^ 03Bernie Sanders visits Alabama in boost to Amazon workers' union effort
[14:53:19] <c0lo> Here, FatPhil, you call this a parody? https://www.cbsnews.com
[14:51:49] * TheMightyBuzzard loves him some pair-o-Ds
[14:50:12] <c0lo> Are we discussing leftover parodies? Now? When I want to sleep?
[14:48:57] <FatPhil> they got there long before the right did.
[14:48:46] <FatPhil> I think the left's been a parody of itself for so long you've simply stopped paying attention to it.
[14:48:24] <FatPhil> And the left hasn't become a parody of itself?
[14:47:12] <AzumaHazuki> the "right" has become a parody of itself. they'd be entirely risible except that they get people fucking killed
[14:46:45] <FatPhil> the two sets will intersect, I have no doubt
[14:44:38] <AzumaHazuki> say it ain't so. people who throw "cuck" around like it's water ended up getting cucked?
[14:44:06] <systemd> ^ 03Parler users furious that site sent violent posts to FBI ahead of Capitol riot
[14:44:04] <c0lo> Parler just shot its feet of with a LOIC https://www.newsweek.com
[14:41:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Renewables Met 97% of Scotland's Electricity Demand in 2020" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:41:42] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[14:40:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03FBI Warns Imminent Deepfake Attacks "Almost Certain" - the Debrief" (29p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:40:26] <c0lo> =submit https://thedebrief.org
[14:36:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Call Centre Staff to be Monitored Via Webcam for Home-working ‘Infractions’" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:36:53] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[14:36:29] <c0lo> I think I need brain replacement therapy. some bone marrow maybe
[14:31:25] <FatPhil> I think what I need is a brain vaccine.
[14:29:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Landmark Brain Cancer Vaccine Passes First Phase of Human Trials" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:29:46] <c0lo> =submit https://newatlas.com
[14:29:19] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Vaccination Against Mutated Protein Tested in Brain Tumor Patients for the First Time" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:29:12] <c0lo> =submit 10.1038/s41586-021-03363-z https://www.dkfz.de
[14:24:50] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[14:08:16] <c0lo> Okydoky. Have enough in the queue for tomorrow. Gotta get some sleep.
[14:07:38] <systemd> ^ 03SFINX - FULL ALBUM - ZALMOXE - 1978
[14:07:36] <c0lo> The sound quality is shitty but there something good shit in https://www.youtube.com
[14:00:30] <SedBot> <c0lo> Thus the "sneaky" references. Subtle enough to be plausibly denied.
[14:00:30] <c0lo> s/ference/ferences/
[14:00:11] <c0lo> Thus the "sneaky" reference. Subtle enough to be plausibly denied.
[13:58:52] <c0lo> And made them sing jazz in Russian, eh?
[13:58:41] <FatPhil> one hint of anti-USSR sentiment, and you didn't get played
[13:58:13] <FatPhil> They strictly licenced all bands here.
[13:54:15] <c0lo> Had some nasty claws at the time
[13:53:46] <FatPhil> But Mishka's cute!
[13:53:05] <systemd> ^ 03Russian Bear - Wikipedia
[13:53:04] <c0lo> https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:53:03] <FatPhil> Our Museum of Occupations (we wouldn't want the Germans to feel left out) had a great exhibition of Estonian musical rebellion
[13:51:20] <c0lo> Almost all rock in EEurope had elements of defiance in it.
[13:50:11] <c0lo> "Romanian rock band formed in 1962" under the communist regime. Rock was pretty frown upon in those times.
[13:48:26] <systemd> ^ 03Google Translate
[13:48:24] <c0lo> https://translate.google.com
[13:47:55] <c0lo> Shit. USSR.
[13:47:20] <c0lo> You want the Cyrillic orthography?
[13:46:54] <FatPhil> I can't imagine how you made that bizarre connection!??!
[13:46:43] <FatPhil> URSS?
[13:46:27] <c0lo> Apropos "some sneaky references in there"
[13:46:09] <c0lo> "In the shadow of the big bear" I expect the big bear was USSR
[13:42:36] <systemd> ^ 03TRANSSYLVANIA PHOENIX LIVE AT SALA PALATULUI - 21.10.2005
[13:42:34] <c0lo> got 1h35 of them on yt https://www.youtube.com
[13:42:08] <FatPhil> same guy, bizarrely enough!
[13:41:53] <FatPhil> We helped a Romanian guy in Canada work on English language translations of the lyrics. There were some sneaky references in there that weren't just about fairy story beasies, IIRC.
[13:39:15] <systemd> ^ 03Phoenix. Cantafabule, 1975. Vinyl disc - Registry - Courage – Connecting collections
[13:39:13] <FatPhil> http://cultural-opposition.eu
[13:38:33] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Transsylvania Phoenix - Wikipedia
[13:38:32] <c0lo> =g phoenix romanian band
[13:38:20] <c0lo> Look like google doesn't now 'bout them.
[13:37:43] <systemd> http://wearephoenix.com - Phoenix
[13:37:42] <c0lo> =g phoenix band
[13:29:36] <FatPhil> We only have a bootleg copy of Cantafabule from scratchy vinyl we got from a Romanian who lives in Canada. It looks like it's been rereleased since then, maybe should get a HQ version.
[13:26:08] <FatPhil> It's quite "derivative" prog rock
[13:25:50] <c0lo> Sounds like a midpoint between PFloyd and Jethro
[13:23:34] <FatPhil> *Everyone* knows Phoenix!
[13:21:52] <FatPhil> Really must visit Romania when this shit is over. Gotta do a deep dive in some 2nd-hand record shops...
[13:21:20] <systemd> ^ 03PHOENIX - INVOCATIE Romanian Progressive Rock
[13:21:19] <c0lo> Ah, yes, I just knew I knew them https://www.youtube.com
[13:21:14] <systemd> ^ 03Top 100 albume rock romanesc - Romania Rock
[13:21:10] <FatPhil> So apparently I now know #97 and #1 on this list! http://romaniarock.ro
[13:13:51] <FatPhil> Thanks for that - now hunting out a few other tracks from that and other albums, there seems to be a fair bit on YT
[13:03:52] <FatPhil> urss, urs, ooops, must have made a typo ;-)
[13:02:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Phoenix - In umbra marelui urs (High sound quality) (05:58; 5,838,036 views; 👍22,677 👎942)
[13:02:42] <FatPhil> =yt phoenix urss
[13:01:18] <FatPhil> Minaret does have a middle-eastern feel to it. I presume from the band name that they're Romanian. Good stuff.
[12:56:32] <FatPhil> I'm not so into industrial rock, it's just that I found the covers well done
[12:45:49] <systemd> ^ 03Frédéric Moreau
[12:45:48] <c0lo> I think I'll explore this a bit more https://www.youtube.com
[12:43:45] <systemd> ^ 03Domnişoara Pogany - Minaret
[12:43:43] <c0lo> Check this, FatPhil, see if you like it better than slovenian industrial rock https://www.youtube.com
[12:03:03] <c0lo> Unless you use Linux and Decsssssss it (might have been a lot less es-es, but anywho)
[11:53:37] <FatPhil> the things you would buy, and then you wouldn't be allowed to play if you moved country.
[11:53:21] <FatPhil> I remember DVDs, they were those shiny things, weren't they?
[11:51:47] <FatPhil> now I can track you...
[11:46:22] <c0lo> Next time I'll have to stop hitting that enter so quick.
[11:45:27] <c0lo> Oh, gosh, really?
[11:45:08] <systemd> ^ 03Black Cat, White Cat [1998] [DVD][Region 2]
[11:45:08] <c0lo> sfXPTmV1BcitFFxmLP%252F5b0dq1l5DPNsO9d9%252FhW9h7AMUHG0K9nTC2nk5jKYP%252F0uvZSKi0944OBR2I%252BeD%252BbcpFnHmRhXjwNEwUbd3IezetrW4aKBBtXAjz7%252B06KHqQ5BEncofwQ9xzjMJyNXfkZ%252BLyD0ivG7Y%252Baq8RPYbTUuLWVNN4un8f%252F29AF0281bhf0vUAgLjDd0ThvxGSl48%252FHz7v3mCprlxl0tY9k6zOmZ%252FaSm%252BhYWqeS2eulZT16JRoET3CNR3EQyHJ8%253D%7Ccksum%3A2739816734689b978fdca2344cb99a6895cccc14d114%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524
[11:45:07] <c0lo> h388i0VuUOllnft3hLLMubNRQlbbJVobbWnvsfPNKcNvJg%252BZt2S3r0qfsYOkDeTqtzqLwHjnh8XXPLQBbaP7GZElfC%252F%252BJm0YZxj%252BR2cM4tdiqHz%252FJHWlI2bL9ld5l%252Fnl7HoFxP6SYHUjfAFD%252BGSUFjCeX7k8x%252BL%252FYiUCPmfmr2QNACgs0qtyYAydDU%252Bo7yZYEPz1FFlORD%252FJcAS%252BY%252FYHKVdw56QedhPEQ5tt7rsEUUELq1yeGD4H80T%252FL3uy3KAmVbqk%252FZWpc0%252BuqsQwePrOnFZ7LXS8U3rEO7FZccR%252FRQjDoxXEjjqZCzgFBdE98SQYd%252BOjSIRDBzsVXbhks8vGaYSARlkz4Hvx8LkUAKG9
[11:45:07] <c0lo> https://www.ebay.com
[11:34:50] <FatPhil> don't want one dubbed in russian, for example...
[11:32:44] <FatPhil> I do see several Чёрная кошка, белый кот torrents, finding one with en subs is the challenge
[11:29:46] <systemd> ^ 03Black Cat, White Cat (1998) - IMDb
[11:29:45] <FatPhil> https://www.imdb.com ?
[11:24:54] <c0lo> If you didn't watch the movie, find it.
[11:24:31] <systemd> ^ 03Black Cat White Cat - Pitbull Music Theme (Original Version, High Quality)
[11:24:30] <c0lo> FatPhil, there you have it https://www.youtube.com
[11:09:43] <FatPhil> she's singing in the wrong language!
[11:03:07] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Larisa Dolina & Estonian Radio Orchestra - Answer Me (soul, Russia / Estonia, USSR, 1979) (03:16; 4,898 views; 👍277 👎2)
[11:03:07] <c0lo> =yt KuTHzzGZmcc
[11:03:02] <c0lo> Good voice
[10:26:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Expert" Hackers Used 11 0-Days to Infect Windows, IOS, and Android Users - https://sylnt.us
[10:03:12] <kyonko> FLILF
[10:02:59] <kyonko> Melnia Trump
[09:38:26] <FatPhil> One mustn't rewrite history.
[09:38:15] <FatPhil> Sorry, *Yugoslavian* Industrial Rock.
[09:37:12] <FatPhil> What have you got against Slovenian Industrial Rock?
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[09:25:50] <Ethanol-Fueled> How very mature, Kikes.
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[09:20:48] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Zawinul Syndicate 75th Lugano 2007 - Orient Express - (10:06; 280,490 views; 👍2,278 👎46)
[09:20:47] <c0lo> =yt ppNFJbMrOHw
[09:17:45] <c0lo> groan... atttrrrrocious even as parodies
[09:06:34] <kyonko> it was mostly pbs newshour youtube hd video downloads
[09:03:18] <chromas> if you use an ntfs undelete utility then you'll get the proper filenames
[09:02:46] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Laibach - Geburt einer Nation (Opus Dei) Official Video, 1987 (04:22; 859,801 views; 👍6,367 👎184)
[09:02:45] <FatPhil> =yt laibach ein nation
[09:02:07] <kyonko> THANK YOU WINDOWS 10
[09:02:02] <kyonko> I still have a lot of photorec image_remaining.dd to process
[09:01:25] <kyonko> FatPhil : Invalid Partition Table: BAD MAGIC
[09:00:47] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Laibach - Opus Dei (Life is Life) Official Video (04:31; 3,002,041 views; 👍24,081 👎1,175)
[09:00:46] <FatPhil> =yt Leben heist Leben
[09:00:41] <chromas> opus, .45 magnum
[09:00:14] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Live is Life - Opus (04:05; 180,353,878 views; 👍709,588 👎28,120)
[09:00:13] <FatPhil> =yt Live is Life
[09:00:08] <FatPhil> Live is Life, eh?
[08:59:07] <chromas> vorbis is dead. it's all opus now
[08:58:52] <FatPhil> It's just demonstrating to us how easily we humans are fooled.
[08:58:30] <FatPhil> AI is going through its 'magic' phase.
[08:58:04] <kyonko> abort it
[08:57:58] <kyonko> AI has babyhood
[08:57:55] <kyonko> Bah
[08:57:39] <FatPhil> alas that's not where the secrets are in ai now - it's all in the training data, not the code.
[08:57:27] <kyonko> and make it all ogg/vorbis and uploaded to your lynx friendly site
[08:57:02] <kyonko> at least KNOW how its doing it
[08:56:55] <kyonko> Keep it FLOSS
[08:56:50] <kyonko> Gnural Nets
[08:54:33] <FatPhil> The only change is that Markov Models are out of fashion, and it's all Neural Nets instead now.
[08:54:10] <FatPhil> That's basically how it's been for the last few decades.
[08:53:34] <chromas> Why use talent when you can just program a neutral net to generate midis, render them in cubase and call ti a day?
[08:53:18] <FatPhil> I forget which movie it was, perhaps an Adam Driver one, which had Method Man trying out a few new lines to himself as he was waiting in a laundrette, and it was clear that he was actually a poet with some real creativity, for example. (He wrote his own lines for the movie)
[08:51:44] <FatPhil> I see so little talent on display. There are a few islands dotted around, but most of the garbage is mass-produced stuff clearly designed to extract pocket-money from teens.
[08:50:18] <FatPhil> /The In Sound From Way Out/, not being rap, shows that they actually do have some talent.
[08:49:45] <chromas> What do you have against rappists?
[08:49:28] <FatPhil> Having said that, /Sabotage/'s video is classic.
[08:49:11] <FatPhil> I find rap to be missing an initial 'c'.
[08:48:56] <chromas> Sobriety doesn't make for good music I guess
[08:46:55] <kyonko> and I'm 5
[08:46:52] <kyonko> eminem is 10 years sober
[08:46:31] <kyonko> beastie boys, eminem, russian crap
[08:46:22] <kyonko> yeah its entertainment, like rap music
[08:41:39] <FatPhil> 5/10 for that one, which on my scale means "this entertained me"
[08:40:22] <FatPhil> I've seen one of those, I think, there was a sequel I've not
[08:39:55] <FatPhil> kurt wossizface
[08:39:44] <kyonko> escape from new york
[08:38:20] <FatPhil> ~g'morning all
[08:38:11] <FatPhil> which carpenter movie is that, not sure if I've seen it?
[08:36:54] <bacteria> can't blame you, they are amazing
[08:33:50] <bacteria> and let us guess, you also like john carpenter movies?
[08:26:08] <kyonko> I believe humans come from monkeys and that the world should become an ultra violent prison
[08:25:43] <kyonko> Hai
[08:25:36] <kyonko> Azuma
[06:12:23] <bacteria> fuck yeah
[05:46:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Event Horizon Telescope Captures New View of Black Hole in Polarized Light - https://sylnt.us
[05:04:19] <AzumaHazuki> that's reasonable, fair, sane, and not even that hard to implement. yet i predict there will be screeching and assmad from the usual suspects at the very idea
[05:03:55] <AzumaHazuki> i think i see uzzard's problem: no ability to think in nuance. we've got a mental health problem more than a gun problem, but there's a disproportionate number of dangerous people with firearms. so as part of the solution to this, track and register the things and close the loopholes
[04:38:50] <SedBot> <TheMightyBuzzard> knife + misc edged weapons deaths 2019: 1476. deaths by going UFC on their ass (unarmed): 600 even. rifle deaths (yes, including the scary ones): under 500
[04:38:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/just under //
[04:38:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> knife + misc edged weapons deaths 2019: just under 1476. deaths by going UFC on their ass (unarmed): 600 even. rifle deaths (yes, including the scary ones): under 500
[04:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh.
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[03:32:34] <systemd> ^ 03Atomic clocks compared with astounding accuracy
[03:32:32] <Bytram> quick question? Isn't there a way to ask google to tell me all pages that link to a particular page? For example, I'm looking at a journal entry and want to know what stories link to it, say: https://www.nature.com
[03:17:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> as a general rule, they're still better than baptists though. even if they do have some really squirrely ideas.
[03:15:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> amateurs. i invite them in, offer them some coffee, and have a nice, pleasant discussion between two people who have somewhat differing opinions on whatever they feel like talking about. until they rage quit because i keep winning.
[03:09:30] <AzumaHazuki> i got bothered by them once. i just told them they're early for the coven meeting and the aborted third-trimester Christian fetus isn't done in the crockpot yet
[03:06:36] <bacteria> they must have a list or something, and we are blacklisted
[03:06:15] <bacteria> owners changed, and they still do
[03:06:00] <bacteria> they ALWAYS rign the house next door
[03:03:13] <bacteria> my housemate upstairs is like, PLEASE alert me if they come, and i am like, not after they are done with yours truly, but they never come
[03:02:28] <bacteria> they always pass up our house
[02:48:36] <AzumaHazuki> public service annoucement: if you get an email with "Knock knock" as the subject, do NOT open it. It's a Jehovah's Witness working from home! :D
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[02:26:44] <systemd> ^ 03Montana Senator Appears to Pine for Days of ‘Homegrown’ Meth
[02:26:43] <c0lo> took our jobs or what? https://www.thedailybeast.com
[02:24:44] <bacteria> voilà
[02:23:10] bacterium is now known as bacteria
[02:15:36] * Runaway1956 looks around IRC at all the double mutants
[02:13:34] <systemd> ^ 03Why a West Chester board member removed his shirt during a recent town hall
[02:13:33] <c0lo> https://www.fox19.com
[01:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> why anyone'd use one instead of having one little piece machined down at your local machinist is beyond me but score one for the 2a.
[01:51:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat, bump stocks are legal again
[01:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[01:47:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> libre
[01:47:19] <bacterium> unabbreviate already
[01:45:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> what i'm saying is let the FSF be what the FSF is. if you don't like what the FSF is, start up the LSF.
[01:43:44] <SedBot> <Bytram> as I suspected at that moment, it was well over a month before that got working correctly.
[01:43:44] <Bytram> s/if/it/
[01:43:37] <Bytram> as I suspected at that moment, if was well over a month before that got working correctly.
[01:43:00] <Bytram> I came home from work, saw the accouncement that it had gone live, and literally said "Nooooooo!!!!!"
[01:42:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, exactly. they liked us and still rioted over a forced change, necessary or no.
[01:42:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, that's like 5 days away. if you want anything that takes more than an hour, it will have to wait till next year.
[01:41:52] <Bytram> ISTR about a month of harried patches
[01:41:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah
[01:41:31] <chromas> We need a bad threading mode for April one called st:d
[01:41:21] <Bytram> time optimization, IIRC?
[01:41:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> dealing with folks who was pretty happy with us at the time.
[01:40:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that was both necessary and minor
[01:40:53] <Bytram> ST:NG?
[01:40:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, remember the new threading modes?
[01:39:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now if you put someone in as a stallman replacement, you'd get someone more interested in being woke than free software. so you'd lose the backing of anyone who wasn't woke enough and you'd lose any effectiveness because they'd be too busy figuring out how to find a half black half persian gay trans woman
[01:39:39] <bacterium> s/ or / and /
[01:39:28] <bacterium> stallman can barely move, hear, or, apparently, communicate with females
[01:38:58] <Bytram> "change is always worse"? Be sure you don't fix those bugs I reported!
[01:38:55] <bacterium> stallman is like 1 foot in grave, the "open" letter calls him an "ablist" but that's anover-estimate at best
[01:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's new not change.
[01:37:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> or start an entirely new thing.
[01:37:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, leave stallman. known quantity. change is always worse.
[01:36:47] <bacterium> and perhaps what we need is 2 stallman replacements: just as stallwart as the original, but politicians with golden tongues, one taking care of the GNU bananza, and the other one advocating
[01:36:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> so at least they did one good thing with their miserable existences.
[01:36:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd need to have been assigned at the time of the violation. the copyright troll lawyers got that precedent set.
[01:35:00] <c0lo> I could assign temporary the copyright to them if they would only exist.
[01:34:53] <bacterium> i think FSF in in a race against time to defeat the copyright itself, or else some kind of cancer will get it
[01:34:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's what the eff is sposed to be, fsf too for more specific stuff. but they can't take over the case. it has to be your case.
[01:34:01] <c0lo> IDK, maybe like an org strong enough for the purpose?
[01:33:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, doesn't work that way
[01:33:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> knife, spoon, ...
[01:33:42] <bacterium> lol TMB i am drunk now
[01:33:42] <c0lo> What really happen that I'm reacting to hem, when I'd be happier with a pro-action.
[01:33:31] <bacterium> which is GNU, a big fucking deal
[01:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> except for code they hold the copyright on
[01:33:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, the FSF CAN NOT file suit on gpl violations.
[01:32:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> or let them pick one even better. don't think up stupid objections just cause you wanna worry, think about what'd really happen.
[01:32:47] <c0lo> When I actually be so much better writing code and have someone pecialized to carry the battle for me.
[01:32:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> no... you're to hire a lawyer and let them pay for it
[01:32:09] <c0lo> But does not defend me, I'm to take the time (and _maybe_ their money) to do the battle, right?
[01:31:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> like if your legal bills included raising john jay from the dead to first chair your case, they'd still pay.
[01:31:20] <systemd> ^ 03Happy CONFEDERATE constitution day! Belarus mercilessly trolls US Embassy after it praised German-backed puppet regime of WW1
[01:31:17] <Runaway1956> Who says politicians have no sense of humor? https://www.rt.com
[01:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, they'd pay your legal bills for the gpl
[01:30:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> well maybe in oz
[01:30:42] <c0lo> Sends an Amicus which the court uses as TP
[01:30:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> never happen
[01:30:06] <c0lo> I sue and EFF is denied participation in the court.
[01:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> you HAVE TO sue. it can't be the eff or FSF
[01:29:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you sue
[01:29:20] <c0lo> Which EFF can be argued it has no standing, no copyright assigned to it.
[01:28:40] <SedBot> <c0lo> TMB, name an org that has the mission to help me.
[01:28:40] <c0lo> s/or/org/
[01:28:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, the eff
[01:28:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> show of hands, who'd contribute to the legal fund of some little guy getting steamrolled by bigcorp if his loss meant the invalidation of the gpl?
[01:28:28] <c0lo> TMB, name an or that has the mission to help me.
[01:27:57] <c0lo> chromas, yes. And if they want rms gone, I'm asking "who do you replace with. Tell me *before* you disappear him"
[01:27:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> you sue. and you get help.
[01:27:06] <chromas> Use the wtfpl
[01:26:47] <c0lo> Do I continue to author if I'm attacked by them?
[01:26:31] <chromas> I thought that's why they kept rms around for. A deterrent in more ways than one
[01:26:29] <c0lo> I'm an author who can't fight corporations.
[01:26:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, like some sort of electronic frontier foundation?
[01:25:43] <c0lo> An org that was setup with that mission *should* act as a strong detterent in an explicit way.
[01:25:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> and so is google, amazon, and even microsoft
[01:25:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're a user
[01:25:01] <c0lo> TMB, "anyone who's ever used it can defend it". I have no warranties that they'll *actually* do it.
[01:23:52] <c0lo> More likely the effect will be that I'll stop writting code for public. That's exactly what Oracle would be ecstatic over.
[01:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, anyone who's ever used it can defend it. and plenty of other organizations would jump in on that. including most of the big corps, because they use and write a lot of GPL'd code.
[01:23:22] <bacterium> IPA speaking
[01:23:16] <bacterium> no, FSF
[01:23:07] <bacterium> i mean, sorry, if GNU goes south
[01:22:42] <c0lo> Like, yeah, TMB, I'm gonna sue Oracle. Suuureee.
[01:22:37] <bacterium> if FSF goes south, it can relicense GNU proprietary
[01:22:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> now gnu kinda matters but it's all GPL'd, so it can be forked six ways to sunday.
[01:22:30] <systemd> ^ 03Portland: City Of Homeless Tents And Boarded Up Buildings
[01:22:29] <Runaway1956> thurd wurld turdhole https://www.youtube.com
[01:22:16] <c0lo> This is where a organisation able to defend the GPL-ed copyright is necessary.
[01:22:06] <bacterium> gnu is the holy grail, because FSF is the copyright holder, c0lo is right to be paranoid
[01:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> sue for violation of contract
[01:21:36] <c0lo> I'm in the case of "I wrote GPL-ed code, someone arrests it, what can I do"
[01:21:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> gpl is a contract
[01:21:02] <c0lo> TMB, I'm not in the non-problem of copyrighting contracts.
[01:19:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you could only lose the rights to use the license. it doesn't infect the code.
[01:19:12] <c0lo> TMB, if I'm sued ovr some GPL that I done, I may lose the rights to the code if I lose the suit. Nothing to change the license on.
[01:19:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause, lawyers. suingest bunch of so's n so's there is.
[01:18:43] <systemd> ^ 03UpCounsel
[01:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> some good reading if you're interested. this is NOT an unexplored legal area. https://www.upcounsel.com
[01:18:15] <Bytram> c0lo: np. gave me a chuckle which is much appreciated right about now.
[01:17:40] <c0lo> Apologies bytram.
[01:17:30] <SedBot> <TheMightyBuzzard> switch licenses. take the gpl and rephrase it. copyright law only covers specific wording not functionality.
[01:17:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/contract/copyright/
[01:17:26] <c0lo> bytram, yes. I panicked. Please do delete that from the queue.
[01:17:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> switch licenses. take the gpl and rephrase it. contract law only covers specific wording not functionality.
[01:17:05] <AzumaHazuki> ...shit, IRC's down? Why didn't someone tell us?
[01:17:04] <Bytram> nope.
[01:16:50] <systemd> ^ 03META: IRC down???: SoylentNews Submission
[01:16:49] <Bytram> c0lo: IRC is *not* down. https://soylentnews.org
[01:16:05] <c0lo> Still need someone like ACLU for software if FSF dies.
[01:15:27] <c0lo> I perceive the risk as lower now. It doesn't mean no risk tho.
[01:14:50] <c0lo> Yeap, thanks.
[01:14:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> check the comments as well
[01:13:39] <systemd> ^ 03The GNU GPL to be tested in court – OSnews
[01:13:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.osnews.com
[01:13:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, it's been tested in US courts for 19 years now
[01:13:11] <c0lo> and won.
[01:13:01] <c0lo> TMB, prove me wrong with a case in which GLP was defended in a court.
[01:12:52] <AzumaHazuki> this was a massively uneven fight from day one and the US is now just plutocratic, corrupt, and atomized enough that I could see the SCOTUS invalidating the GPL because "fuck you poors"
[01:12:21] <AzumaHazuki> the legal end of this has always been a weakness for F/OSS, for the simple reason that the law has always been of by and for business, despite progress here and there to the contrary
[01:12:06] <c0lo> "anything already under the GPL can stay under it as long as it likes" Not if a court says the contrary.
[01:12:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> FYI, copyright law does NOT cover the conditions in a contract, only the specific wording and not always that
[01:11:29] <c0lo> Google, Oracle, IBM, microsoft... you name it
[01:11:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't bother me. anything already under the GPL can stay under it as long as it likes. and switching to FUGPLv2 only requires a quick sed script
[01:10:57] <c0lo> Whoever else just waiting for GLP to fail even in some minor debatable aspect of it.
[01:10:16] <AzumaHazuki> i would bet large chunks of Microsoft and Google are behind this too
[01:09:55] * Bytram hopes to get to bed at a reasonable hour tonight. time to push out a couple stories and then hit the hay.
[01:09:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i think whoever bought it would wind up in SCOTUS defending the ability of ANY contract to be copyrighted
[01:09:43] <c0lo> It's about Oracle Larry fucking shit, not GOP
[01:09:30] <AzumaHazuki> this country is soul-sick, c0lo, and it's sickness unto death. there's no concept of public good any longer, which is basically what the GPL and the "zeroth freedom" are putting into concrete terms
[01:09:04] <c0lo> It's defocusing the discussion.
[01:08:54] <c0lo> Let the Republican partisans aside please.
[01:08:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> and copyright
[01:08:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, republicans like contracts
[01:08:43] <AzumaHazuki> funny how people who think they're on the side of freedom keep doing things to get corrupt authoritarian thugs in places of power
[01:08:24] * Bytram is not that tall. would I count?
[01:08:22] <AzumaHazuki> plus with all the goddamn Republican partisans gunking up the system, odds are good they'll go "fuck you because fuck you, you don't donate and $BIGCORP does, the GPL's toilet paper"
[01:07:55] <c0lo> I wouldn't like to see a minuscule programmer sued, losing and establishing a precedent.
[01:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think it's mostly because a contract is a functional thing and has, as a general rule, no artistic creativity
[01:07:49] <Bytram> say people get royally pissed of at FSF and/or RMS. Stop $contributing. FSF goes bankrupt. I buy the FSF and all that it owns. That means I own the copyrights. Think of deceased singers whose spouses still collect on copyrights from 50+ years ago.
[01:07:08] <c0lo> To my knowledge, GPL has never been tested in a court.
[01:06:42] <c0lo> True, it *should* be an open/close suit, but I'm affraid the reality is not rosy.
[01:06:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are cases where copyright has been upheld but using other people's contracts without paying for them is insanely common practice as well
[01:06:08] <c0lo> As in "claims that you don't have any right to use it"
[01:05:44] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard, it's about who defends you in the case Google takes your copyright and shits on you.
[01:05:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> it means nobody copyrights contracts
[01:05:06] <Bytram> not following... what does that mean?
[01:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> but mostly not really
[01:04:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> the legal folks internet pages say: sort of
[01:03:21] <Bytram> the gpl, iirc, has the copyright held for it by the fsf. for whatever reason, if fsf finds itself strugglinh,or someone dangles $bugnum in front of them, bad stuff *could* happen (no saying it's likely; just that it could)
[01:03:15] <AzumaHazuki> i never did get deeply into studying law, mostly because the vast majority of it seems like "Calvinball but people die"
[01:02:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure you could trademark the name, but copyright?
[01:01:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can copyright contracts? that's a new one on me.
[01:01:01] <Bytram> what ahappens if FSF goes away (or more likely, gets bought out)
[01:00:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: FSF *owns* the GPL copyright
[01:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is to say: fear not, young hero. the gpl ain't going anywhere even if the fsf explodes.
[01:00:10] <AzumaHazuki> makes me think we need some kind of legal escrow, or a sort of license/code "seed vault"
[00:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, it ain't the FSF that keeps people using the GPL and if it does get fucked in an official manner, forking it's easy.
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[00:58:28] <c0lo> I can only bitch about the risks to GPL.
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[00:57:47] <c0lo> IDK, AzumaHazuki, those things happen to me, have no controll over them
[00:57:22] <AzumaHazuki> i almost wonder if we need Torvalds personally to step in, except IIRC he's no fan of v3
[00:57:09] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, the elephant in the room here is, what do we do to make sure the GPL stays alive and robust? THAT is the important thing. It all hinges on the GPL
[00:56:49] <c0lo> If FSF cramps on the position of "but we make software first and defend it after", that's a waste of effort.
[00:56:44] <bacterium> someone needs to advocate, and i put no hope in software shops, someone needs to be non-profit in order to take on the cartel
[00:55:55] * bacterium wraps itself around well-marketed IPA
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[00:55:30] <c0lo> FSF is long gone as the only relevant source of free software.
[00:55:12] <bacterium> we are fucked, man, we are now hoping for a politician to save us
[00:54:50] <c0lo> Definitely a politician.
[00:54:32] <bacterium> a politician-man (or woman, or table, per NCommander, anything less abrasive)
[00:54:21] <AzumaHazuki> it's not hard. even I have better Charisma than Stallman and I somehow rolled a negative two-digit number for that stat off a single D6
[00:53:56] <bacterium> ikr, someone with less anti-charm
[00:53:42] <c0lo> And, in regards with the second part, I'm a neutral party... that FSF internals.
[00:52:52] <c0lo> "what the correct leadership model should be" A knight for software freedom that RMS projected, without the creepiness of interpersonal relation of RMS the man.
[00:51:51] <bacterium> well, they are hosting that party
[00:51:37] <AzumaHazuki> someone at MS must be laughing themselves hoarse. god damn it...
[00:50:58] <SedBot> <bacterium> i would like to repeat the comment of doom i saw: the end goal of stallmangate is his removal from gnu, presumably, i guess, to have it relicensed or something, so fsf is just a checkpoint
[00:50:58] <bacterium> s/gave/have/
[00:50:34] <bacterium> i would like to repeat the comment of doom i saw: the end goal of stallmangate is his removal from gnu, presumably, i guess, to gave it relicensed or something, so fsf is just a checkpoint
[00:50:24] <chromas> Time for libre/gpl fork
[00:49:35] <c0lo> I'm worried about *what* is the likely outcome.
[00:49:19] <AzumaHazuki> same here. this whole thing smells. though, as I said on the forums, it's possible for both 1) Stallman to be fatally encumbered with organization-killing baggage and 2) people using the complainants as useful idiots in an attempt to kill the GPL
[00:49:07] <c0lo> Why and how seems less important now, I'd rather let them to historians
[00:48:42] <bacterium> the interesting thing, c0lo, i am at loss as to what the correct leadership model should be, bd(fl?) got us thus far, do we simply change horses now? i am afraid democracy would kill the mission in months, so that's probably not an answer
[00:48:28] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, I don't care how they got dragged in this intestinal farm, I do care about GPL.
[00:47:55] <AzumaHazuki> more than anything else, the FSF needs to lawyer up yesterday and do all they can to keep the GPL safe and alive. Ideally, Stallman (and any other person) should be irrelevant
[00:47:26] <c0lo> I'll probably live to see what happens one way or the other.
[00:47:24] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, my one and only concern about this whole mess is that a bunch of explicitly anti-GPL partisans seem to be taking advantage of it
[00:46:44] <bacterium> i think this is specifically to address rms's leadership style
[00:46:38] * c0lo installed HexChat on my devuan Looks ok for the purpose.
[00:46:01] <c0lo> "The voting members unanimously agreed to elect a union staff member"... yeah, like I care about their iternals when I'm affraid they forgot their mission.
[00:45:37] * Teckla is a subscriber.
[00:45:32] <Teckla> c0lo: IRCCloud is pretty nice, and has a free tier.
[00:45:02] <bacterium> well shit their record on getting things done speaks against them, but at least they seem to be willing for like 3 straight days now
[00:44:15] <c0lo> bacterium, I don't trust the today's fsf that they are making succession plans.
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[00:43:34] <c0lo> NCommander, I'll be ecstatic to be proven wron.
[00:43:23] <bacterium> who? i am lost now
[00:43:01] <c0lo> bacterium, I don't trust they will, focused as they are on killing the creepy RMS.
[00:42:24] <systemd> ^ 03Update on work to improve governance at the FSF
[00:42:22] <bacterium> https://www.fsf.org
[00:41:57] <bacterium> NCommander: my sentiment exactly, and i already complained about the complete absence of a plan for leadership hand-over, and hey, look, perhaps something will finally be done?
[00:41:10] <c0lo> Otherwise, very likely you are going to hurt an entire world of GLP-ed software developers.
[00:39:27] <c0lo> Do it *before* he dies tho (or before FSF "kills" him)
[00:38:59] <c0lo> NCommander, find the replacement before RMS dies, no matter the cause of death (including being "killed" by FSF)
[00:37:41] <c0lo> Web interface. Lazy fuck I am
[00:37:13] <FatPhil> what were you using before?
[00:36:10] * c0lo finally installed an IRC client
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[00:31:23] <FatPhil> people live longer nowadays, RMS < Creaky Joe
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[00:14:13] <NCommander> (as stated, I feel FOSS is better without rms in a leadership role, but your view of the world still has the fundamental problem that rms is 1. mortal 2. old. He's going to return 0 at some point)
[00:12:34] <NCommander> Since the movement is entirely dependent on one person and that's not a good sign.
[00:12:25] <NCommander> c0lo, bacterium: so let me ask you this. Excluding everything else, rms is *old*. He's going to die sooner or later. There's no successorship plans or similar that I seen. If the FSF can't survive without rms, then there's a much bigger problem
[00:09:15] <FatPhil> Does no-one remember "Everyone Loves ESR (Except Me)" or whatever it was called.
[00:08:44] <FatPhil> Everyone's flawed.
[00:08:40] <FatPhil> RMS is certainly part jerk, part fool, but I still think that his resolute stance on many things is a nett positive.
[00:05:20] <Bender> karma - c0lo: 30
[00:05:20] <FatPhil> c0lo++ very closely aligned with the points you have made
[00:04:44] <FatPhil> So it is an issue in whose game I have skin.
[00:03:57] <FatPhil> the only jobs I've had for the last 1-2 decades (not quite 2, well over 1, stopped counting after a while) have been for companies making GPL'ed software.
[00:03:05] <FatPhil> Was watching remote-controlled hunks of steel hit each other for the last couple of hours, wish I'd been active here instead.
[00:03:02] <bacterium> god only knows what will happen to fsf now
[00:02:51] <bacterium> yeah
[00:00:44] <c0lo> bacterium, it doesn't need to be a civil war. I'd be happy to continue coding and assigning the code to FSF. I only want to know that my code will be protected from being arrested by Google